“Hating Nokia 101″ Class – Lesson 1 – Unleashing the iTrolls and Fandroids
The bastion of everything that is Anti-Nokia can be found most strongly in one of two places. Either Gizmodo or Engadget. Gizmodo is a blatant all out hate for Nokia whilst Engadget is that devious asswipe that tries to make sly little digs at you at every possible moment whilst trying to seem impartial and objective. I joked earlier about a “I hate Nokia 101″ class, suggesting that a so called “analyst” attended one in order to come up with such a ridiculous article.
I wouldn’t be surprised though if either of those two big blogs aren’t trolling Nokia fans and creating more Anti-Nokia feeling on purpose. Engadget’s latest Nokia related posts insinuates that Nokia is burning money through their massive Research and Development budget. They have not seen (or refuse to see) where exactly Nokia’s investments are going, making a cheap jab for the currently very easy target, Symbian.
“Our initial reaction to the Bernstein Research chart above is to wonder what value Nokia’s massive R&D spending has achieved. Sadly, that’s our second and third reaction, too, having spent some time with the company’s Symbian OS.”
Bigger R&D budget than Apple and HTC? Must be a bad thing! Where’s all your budget going Nokia? It’s like as if
- Nokia isn’t still the global leader as a phone manufacturer
- Nokia isn’t selling the most smartphones by a single manufacturer
- Nokia does not have a huge distribution channel to pump out what, HALF A BILLION phones in 2010 (453M)
- Nokia does not cater for every segment, LOW, Mid, High.
- Nokia produces only phones
- Nokia does not produce the infrastructure, radio technologies, cellular networks (e.g. LTE).
As @everythingblaxx says:
- Nokia Siemens Networks accounts for $2 billion of their R&D spending
- Navteq another $400 million. Remove that $2.4 billion from the equation and now they’re below Samsung’s R&D spending.
- Well, I shouldn’t be surprised that Engadget is engaging in more of their patented “Lowest common denominator” reporting style
So Lesson 1: Unleashing the iTrolls and fandroids
Due to Nokia’s lacklustre presence in the US, that MUST of course reflect the situation in the rest of the world, and so for those based on Engadget’s home soil, it is thus very easy to sympathise with their loathing for Nokia.
1) Find article with remote Anti Nokia Sentiment.
2) Ramp up that Anti-Nokia feeling and cut out anything that could give the other side of that story to let readers make their own decision
3) After leaving enough bait, unleash the iTrolls and google fanboys to comment which in turn should drive in the Nokians.
4) Done. Let flame war sizzle for a while. Let traffic drive in.
If you’re an iTroll or fandroid, you are privileged with the +50 ability of making comments completely unrelated to the article. By default, your commenting ground is already scattered with “They should use Android”, “They should use WP7″ although it always helps to repeat it. OS Flame wars are awesome.
There are many valid discussions being exchanged with Pro or Anti Nokia feeling, but too often these threads are filled to the brim with astonishing inaneness you’d expect to be lingering in a YouTube comments. It just leads you to think, “ARE YOU FREAKIN THICK OR WHAT?” or what ever indignant phrase of your choice.
Some notable comments I read (many more but must dash to lectures).
JJO12
The ignorance displayed by Engadget on this post and some of the commenters on here is AMAZING.
However I’m not surprised, since having the editors roll their eyes towards anything Nokia is nothing new. It must be part of their new hipster trend these days I guess.
Research & Development goes WAY beyond Nokia making “just a phone”. This goes for any corporation.
Like someone stated earlier, some of the technologies we have today in both cellular networks and mobile phones are thanks in part due to Nokia.
So the next time you make a call or send a text message on your generic plastic Android device or sip on your latte sitting in Starbucks while playing Angry Birds on your iPhone while huddled over your iPad watching Netflix via 3G, remember how it was all possible.
akkual
You develop small things, you get your revenue quickly.
You develop big things, you get your revenue years later.
This was the case with Nokia in early 1980s. People here in Finland mocked Nokia for consuming excessive amounts of money on stupid big phones, you could use for 10 minutes once a day with batteries of that time. Well, where are we now? I left this one to you to figure out.
Nokia has its problems at the moment. But those problems are not on the R&D. Actual market share problems are more due to the big un-agile company that can slowly react to demands of markets. Few bad choices have been made and Nokia is paying the price of those… but if Nokia now would dump its R&D and concentrate only to bring an iPhone-killer, it would lose its long term focus.. and it would lose its own game.
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It is not just smartphone UI’s like Symbian or MeeGo, its everything.
I mean, flexible circuit boards, flexible and/or better batteries, printed pcbs, stacked 3d ICs, new materials for casings, housings, new touchscreen materials, more environmental friendly productions, marketing, economy etc. etc.
Software development methods, frameworks, AI, new software concepts, mobile games, UIs, user friendliness…
Energy harvesting, different energy sources, super energy efficient silicon, etc…
Network protocols, nfc, sensor networks, physical peer-to-peer networks, local p2p adhoc networks..
And these are just a small hint I know about Nokia’s R&D.
Nokia has R&D practically on all areas that are studied e.g. in technical universities such as Berkeley or MIT.
I work on Finnish university and see a lot Nokia funded projects. There are easily over ten new companies spinned off from Nokia funded projects per year around my geographical area. Nokia fills its “society” responsibilities and not only just investors requirements.
Update: Engadget at it again – http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-releases-symbian-update-for-n8-c7-and-c6-01-its-not-the/ How is it possible for the likes of Slashgear and PCWorld to pick up even amounts of news on Nokia be it good or bad, but there seems to be some kind of filter on Engadget? Oh Vlad, you wonderful Troll you. I still miss how you hated on the N8′s “very stiff” shutter button because you were too much of an idiot to realise like point and shoot digicams, it had half button press for autofocus.
I mean, flexible circuit boards, flexible and/or better batteries, printed pcbs, stacked 3d ICs, new materials for casings, housings, new touchscreen materials, more environmental friendly productions, marketing, economy etc. etc.
Software development methods, frameworks, AI, new software concepts, mobile games, UIs, user friendliness…
Energy harvesting, different energy sources, super energy efficient silicon, etc…
Network protocols, nfc, sensor networks, physical peer-to-peer networks, local p2p adhoc networks..
And these are just a small hint I know about Nokia’s R&D.
Nokia has R&D practically on all areas that are studied e.g. in technical universities such as Berkeley or MIT.
I work on Finnish university and see a lot Nokia funded projects. There are easily over ten new companies spinned off from Nokia funded projects per year around my geographical area. Nokia fills its “society” responsibilities and not only just investors requirements.
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Nice! Waiting for my story on Canalys to appear to see the total impact.
very very good article!!!! Nokia do the most important infrastructure for the wireless network without you simply can’t call, i saw in my university it’s awersome! the article on engadged just call “the other companyes suck don’t invest in the tech they use”, just look at iphone antenna noob problem it’s a phone with crappy call omg!
Very nice and informational article. It made me smile, after the slight anger of having to wait until next week for something…
After a while, all of these lying Nokia haters are going to be singled out because readers are becoming more educated.
Thanks again for the great site!
“Knowing is half the battle”
100% agree,these trolls &bashers seem 2 b having nightmares about this Nokia &Intel partnership,Meego is about 2 b launched& they r insecure with their phones.
I like 1 troll who always says’GSMArena should’ve checked 2 see if the 1.6Ghz Medfield SoC has cooling fans running with it.hahaha
Can’t wait 4 MWC!
Fuck Engadget and Gizmodo!
„Nokia is doomed!!!“ LOL That is my favorite Anti-Nokia Comment. No Explanation, just saying that they’re doooooooooomed!
btw nice article.
These all gossip about nokia oz nokia is d hotspot..Remember on an elephant going on street dogs will always bark but no effect on elephant oz he is d mightiest..
Although I’m a regular visitor of mobile.engagdet, I do not agree with ther anti-Nokia attitude. Has anyone read the latest article on engadget about the release of PR1.1? Nice article
Headline: Nokia releases Symbian update for N8, C7 and C6-01, it’s not the one you’ve been waiting for.
The next article should be: “Or how to lose credibility.”
It’s Vlad. The well-known Nokia hater. He generally moderates any pro-Nokia comments on his posts. But looking at how even Nokia naysayers are calling him out on his blatant bias, I wonder what he’ll do now. Take down the article itself? lol.
those sites must’ve gotten their lessons from faux news.
ignorant TOP tweets on twitter. Type nokia on search.
ScepticGeek Nokia employs as many people to develop its smartphone s/w
as Apple does to develop all its
products http://j.mp/erZZbE /by @ asymco about 10 hours ago Top Tweet
TechCrunch Google Dethrones Nokia As Top Seller Of Smartphones http://tcrn.ch/f4ObwI 3 days ago Top Tweet
somebody should put them in their place.
Vlad has his latest Troll article about PR 1.1
gsmarena’s turn
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_first_update_to_nokia_n8_c7_and_c601_is_booooring-news-2290.php
They even have not tested the update first before drawing any conclusion. The update 1.1 was supposed the baseline for later bigger updates. Still the minor update 1.1 makes the phones respond noticeably more responsive …
This may be due to Nokia’s lack of communication (or at least something BLATANTLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY OBVIOUS) to say PR1.1 is first, PR2.0 is the one we’re waiting for.
Nokia are bigger than any company or website will ever know, they will return, i have faith. they are the underdog this time around but its fun and interesting to see whats happening in the mobile industry. Ovi store grows every day, and with meego coming around apps will be similar or even better than apples and androids. Add to the rumoured hardware of the N9 IE 1.6ghz medfield intel CPU, if real then thats the best start nokia will ever need. Believe people, if they have enough cash to splurge in R&D then they have enough to make it.
Youtube comments? They are but a merciless display of human misery.
I agree with this article. That is why I never comment on Engadget blog. Your reasonable comment will disappear within all the ignorant uneducated rants of fanboys. As you can see from my name, I use both my N900 and Nexus S (Which I only bought because I was getting tired of waiting for N9 to release).
I will be selling my Nexus S to get the N9 as soon as its out.
I am wondering why Nokia can’t deal with T-Mobile USA. Might be worth it to pursue a deal like the Nexus S deal which T-Mobile still allowed subsidized pricing through bestbuy even though the phone is not sold in T-Mobile stores.
T-Mobile is itching to deliver high end phones and Nokia should look to them since T-Mobile seems to be the breeding ground for trial phones.
As far as I know the deal for T-mobile is underwork. Some Symbian 3 model phone will be available on T-Mobile …
Come on Jay… If Engadget doesn’t do that, how can they make it one of the most visited/ commented/ trolled site of US.. Just look at the number of comments .. And if it isn’t one then how Apple/ Google will pay money for everything/anything they are doing
I would like to see Meego on T-Mobile like when Android first started with T-Mobile. Even if they go through the Best Buy route.
Lol, this post made me laugh so true. I’m tired of arguing with people who see nothing past their noses. The N8 already has specs none of any phones in the market right now have, such as FM transmitter, USB OTG, 12 MPxil, HDMI output, and many more. But unfortunately, people keep a blind eye on any of those and just focus on Symbian, which in my opinion, is no where near as bad as they try to make you think. I had a Galaxy S for over 2 months before getting the N8, and I can mention at least 5 things that were AWEFUL in adroid. Lagging, a battery life no longer than 6 hours when used, no marking in the contacts, without permission synicing of contacts. Symbian isn’t perfect, but it has been tested and proved to be very user friendly.
Agree! Galaxy user too but sms bug fucks! Switched to n8, i never had problem with communication tasks anymore!
Vlad got merc’ed and is talking on Twitter on how is not going to write Nokia stories anymore.
Whoohoo!
Really ? cause i just thought he did it on propose , i mean nobody can really be that clueless or ill informed. I would guess he writes stories like that to start flame wars.
To be honest, i think he doing that here , i mean for as much as i know the Articles about Nokia he writes are total uniformed biased ass. He is not stupid, i think hes saying all that to get some sympathy and make the people who question his Nokia articles look like the bad guys.
I mean i have seen other Engadget writers get far worse, so why stop. He will just try and use this as an excuse against further criticism or to try and gain the moral high ground.
I maybe i am wrong , but if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Did you read the Verizon iPhone review by any chance? It even states that bars can still get dropped off by holding it ‘wrong’ and yet it gets a 9??
Not to mention the whole breaking tag @ record sales for Verizon. Lame, just lame.
I’m not asking for breaking tags on all things Nokia but just be a little more realistic.
Thanks for the shoutout Jay. Me and the rest of the CellOuts.net team appreciate it.
Well, all of this is so funny because in 1996 Apple was doomed:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,5673,00.html
hah it is all about money..a lot of people have apple and google stock, so there is HEAVY marketing behind Android and Apple in the U.S and the media helps as much as they can. Nokia is going to have to defend itself from that, and I don’t know if they can. People are very easily manipulated…
At that time Apple was losing money each year, compared to Nokia who are still making profit.
Not to say they need to get theit ass in gear and move some MeeGo love our way. But doomed? No!
Totally agree. A lot of iTrolls and fanDroids around tech blogs are just stock owners of either apple or google, or both, or shorters of Nokia stock shares, according to my observation and experience…
That’s too much honour if you say they are stockholders. They’re just people who happen to have Droids/Apple’s. If that’s all you know than Nokia sucks.
And if your main experience is Android/iOS and havind a small look at Symbian I can understand one would say it sucks. Problem is they just see the bad and don’t see the potential it actually has.
I do somewhat the same; No iOS for me for it’s closed system, while I haven’t used iOS more than a week.
No Android either because of Dalvik’s poor performance and el Goog. But have never really played with Android to such an extent that I can really say that.
Just thought about it; Nokia is doomed? So Intel would now that right? Then why partner with someone like NOK?
It might have been better to partner with Android for X86 in smartphones. Android FTW!!1!!ONE
Oh no, they didn’t they saw a much more solid partner in Nokia.
I do not visit Gizmodo anymore (after the incident where the drunken blogger compared speed of N8 against iPhone and some Android phone).
And as many others I stopped commenting on Engadget. Their steady drumbeat of negativity about everything Nokia might really wear the brand down, at least in certain circles in the U.S.
However, I’d like to see numbers about Engadget’s commercial success, but could not find any. How much ads do they get, who are major advertisers? And is there any wall between advertisements and blogging content?
Engadget’s parent AOL does not do so well:
“AOL posted a net loss of $782.5 million, or $7.42 per diluted share, for 2010, compared with a profit of $248.8 million the year before. Total revenue slid 26 percent from $3.2 billion in 2009 to $2.4 billion last year.
Financial results for the fourth quarter painted a brighter picture, with a profit of $66.2 million, or 60 cents per diluted share.”
Is AOL doomed? (And hopefully Engadget by extension?). Maybe AOL should ramp up their R&D to get some future products out? O wait, I forgot, they aren’t producing anything but hot air…
genius article jay!
Hmm..
Devices & services
2 954
Navteq
751
NSN
2 156
Total: 5 863 EUR
D&S
2954 EUR = 4000 USD
http://investors.nokia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=107224&p=irol-newquarterlyearnings
Very good article (nothing about intomobile, wich is the most ridiculous of them ?)
after the last N8 update PR1.1
i don’t need a lesson to ducking hate Nokia…
Anyone have an idea when the N9 is due for release? This year at least maybe?