Eldar: No sign Windows Phone will be popular, Nokia working on Android, Elop leaves 2011-early 2012
Everyone’s favourite super-sleuth, Russian blogger/editor-in-chief ‘Analyst’ Mr Eldar Murtazin has spoken on his forums again:
“Nokia UK PR director show that my forecast about adopt Android OS by Nokia in 2012 is rubbish. So, let me explain Nokia plan B, which arent very well known even inside Nokia.
Nokia strategy adopt WP7 in 2011/2012
Smartphone and phone market share of Nokia is shrinking. Nokia will lose a lot in next quarters. And exec understand thatPlan A.
Sell out some part of company to Microsoft - thats not Nokia intention, but Elop. And MS will be a winner in that case. I dont going to discuss why it could happens. It takes too many time.But both companies in a hurry. MS shareholders couldnt support deal with number 2 vendor in a world (2012 it will happens with Nokia in any case). With number 1 such deal is still possible.
So thats clear i think. Elop will resign in a end of 2011/begin of 2012
- Nokia will sell part of company to Microsoft Under Elops orders (and mystical jedi force on the board)
- Elop will then resign by the end of 2011/beginning of 2012 << well that’s much earlier than what he previously predicted of 2012.
- Rush to sell Nokia whilst they’re on top and number 1, as being number 2 somehow destroys Nokia’s ability to manufacture phones.
Plan B
Nokia has another plan. If WP7 wont be popular (no any sign that it will be), so exec have to show to shareholders that they do something. It means only one thing – adopt Android. And Nokia are working on such devices using TI chipsets. Working right now for 2012
Thats it”
- Nokia already working on Android devices for 2012
Oh Eldar also tweeted about the N9
“92.000 units of N9 which will be produced is not a thing which someone need to discuss. Niche device”
Well, I think we were already told before Eldar that N9/N950 was not the mass market successor (more a developer thing) to the N900 we had hoped it would be. I don’t really know how much of a push Nokia’s going to give N9 now with Windows Phone taking priority for Nokia and MeeGo being a “research project”. Ah, Nokia. Why.
When asked about doing a Nokia N9 review, Eldar scathingly replied:
dont see any reason to spent my time on such rubbish
Bitter? He spends soooo much of his time whining about Nokia at every opportunity. He was complaining about the N8 so much yet produced what, like FOUR reviews? This would be a fantastic opportunity for him to lay into MeeGo and Nokia. Gizmodo has already been there and done that with their non-review of N8 to show utter contempt for Nokia. Maybe he has one and it’s actually good and thus cannot be seen to like them for fear of his Samsung overlord. JK.
Or may be it’s not worth reviewing since HE HASN’T got a N9 and can’t produce the all important first review? Didn’t this guy tweet that the hardware was almost perfect? (Though if it’s the same device all these months with no hardware change…)And then tweet that this N9 (the one with the keyboard) got canned? Didn’t he also say he was waiting for a man with a Nokia N9-01 after that? Didn’t Eldar also claim to have had the N9 last year, as soon as May and would have unleashed his review around August time (2010)….was waiting to unleash his scathing remarks to affect Nokia stock? Where was that review?
Having said that, we can’t completely dismiss Eldar’s “predictions”. 1) He throws enough mud against the wall, some is bound to stick. 2) Nokia seem to be playing all the right moves from the “book of fail” since 2008 so anything ridiculous could happen. Some joked that Eldar’s actually a massive Nokia Fanboy that cares so much. ha. Maybe :p Nokia’s “management team” has done so many silly things since 2008 and has received so much strict words from their fans that have gone in one ear and out the other. Whilst some say the Nokia board would never approve of such a sale – aren’t those the same people that approved of the WP shift? It’s amazing that there’s an all mighty Nokia board that’s supposed to fend off some stupid decision making yet in fact are the cause of all that. Not talking specifically about WP, but all the choices prior that forced that upon them. Elop though claims that he is fixing this. For the long term good of Nokia though?
via @keizka
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hmm all very interesting, can’t all of this happen quickly, sick and tired of this waiting game
Waiting? Waiting for what?
Why don’t you and all the rest who are “waiting” simply buy what phone you want out of the phones that are available when you are ready to buy one, and stop worrying about the future?
There are a huge number of possible futures, so who cares?
Why don’t you just buy an N8 (best phone on the planet), upgrade it when the promised PR 2.0 and 3.0 come out, and be get on with your life and be happy for the next several years until the N8 is out of date (hard to imagine such a thing, but anyway!)
I can understand umar…
I´m also frustrated seeing Nokia stumbling around without any clear path in mind.
For me iOS and also Android (Google data squid) aren´t any options to go. Windows Phone doesn´t offer anything iOs/Android already offer. So what´s left in the mobile world?
Meego? Not sure about the hardware (LG is ot my favourite based on LG handsets I owned and disliked). Nokia hardware with meego AND a path into the future (support, further development, comitment) is still the big question mark.
WebOs – an experiment by HP.
QNX/Blackberry – Unix based and powerful OS (saw the multitasking demo of the playbook – fabulous!). Many features I actually enjoy with symbian (mass storage, SD card, bluetooth file transfer, multitasking, tethering) combined with not so actual hardware but a good build quality. BIS or BES required but I think that´s the way I´ll go IF Nokia is sold to M$.
So Ninja, you see that the decision which mobile is going to be bought isn´t that easy
at least for some people…
I’m with Ninja. Don’t wait. Take the jump and buy an N8. Then you’ll have the most powerful and best phone on the planet and that was ever made. With the N8, you can:
1. Miss important e-mails because the mail client lacks push email
2. Miss meetings because the calendar is not very good and not very informative
3. Miss what your friends are doing because the social networking client is horrendous
4. Not be able to browse the web completely because the native browser is slow, laggy, and prone to crash. Even if you use Opera, you can’t watch embedded videos because it doesn’t support Flash
Why wait? All this can be yours NOW! Isn’t the N8 the best phone ever? You can even do what Ninja does and put it inside your pants and set it to vibrate. Then you can call yourself and get off on it!
hey thats my job. dont troll here. i can take it from here.
1. Don’t use Nokia’s push email. Uninstall all emails, then try again and press decline to avoid the nokia servers. It’s very reliable.
2. No arguements.
3. Gravity is great or the new social client at beta labs is good enough.
4. You are correct. But Opera does coverup a lot of the N8′s shortcomings. Typing this comment using Opera on the e7.
Not the best of times to be a symbian fan but i feel things should make u feel better next month.
Or you can install Gravity for social networking and Profimail for push email and carry on.
He has nothing to say about N9 because he’s too envious
I’d like though that Nokia would fire Elop as soon as possible and would dump dealing with MS for good. Oh, well. Just hopes.
Dumping Elop is not in the board or company’s best interests. I honestly believe that Elop has made the best decisions for Nokia given the information he was provided with.
While I agree with you about dumping Elop, I disagree for what it is worth about the best decisions. There are a whole range of things he could have handled better (like in my opinion getting HP to come to the table with webOS due to QT; if MeeGo really was that bad), but the most uncontroversial that I think everyone can agree upon is the whole fiasco that started with the burning platform and ended with giving the public the impression that Nokia was dumping Symbian immediately.
In short, not telling the public the truth about slowly phasing out symbian was a rookie mistake.
Nothing rookie about them guys. It was about kiling every software or obstacle of the Wp Nokia phone.
Of course, only time will tell.
If Nokia isn’t being sold to Microsoft, dumping Elop now would be its best bet.
Elop has damaged Nokia to such an extent that it may now never be what it was once was.
WP is a failure, the fact that Microsoft won’t plubicly release sales figures is something that is damming . Microsoft likes to release figures expect when the product flops.
nice. I think there will be a joint venture: microsoft – nokia. this way microsoft will prevent nokia from going to android. Just my opinion. and nokia shareholders will receive some amount of cash from microsoft to close their eyes.
Just my opinion.
I have to agree with him. I don’t think they’ll sell many WP devices, but remains to be seen.
‘dont see any reason to spent my time on such rubbish’ would translate as ‘I have enough Nokia suits on my back to risk going that far’.
Nuff’ said.
Ahah Sergejs, don’t you just love that guy? :p
Eldar is definitely bitter about something. I can’t see the Finnish government or the European Union approving the sale of Nokia to Microsoft they are way to important to the Finnish economy and Europe as one of the few technological powerhouses in Europe.
Does anyone else think that some of Eldar’s claims are misquoted by him when people tip him. A lot of his claims seem to contradict himself.
Importance to an economy and being a European powerhouse of technology are hardly reasons to be able to block a take-over.
Those things won’t stand in regards to legislation. Unfair positions, as in monopoly etc. do however. As far as legislation goes, I wouldn’t see any hurdle for a take over.
That´s the reason Elop divided the company into 3 divisions… Selling just one division (which is the heart of Nokia mobile) won´t be a problem.
WP7 is bombing in the market place, just take a gander at the weak (abysmal) resale values, when you personalise arguments, you lose before you even start
bombing, much like WebOS did, only difference being that Msoft has too much money to let it fail
and if they do, its even harded to catch up. its kinda like they cant fail.
Apple and Google have just as much money, and they’re years ahead of Microsoft as well. Microsoft has a very, very hard road ahead of it and Eldar correctly points this out in his rather terse and divisive fashion.
With all those money they let it fail many times over already
Money aren’t always the factor.
Kin was a failure, 6 months later they released wp7 ..
Next time it will be a new ui with another crazy idea ..
Try reselling an N8, HTC Desire or any device from about a year ago. The one phone that is magical in resale value is the iPhone going for insane prices.
Do you never learn? You are so EASILY proven wrong!
Right, typical ebay price for N8 is £250. Selling new in Nokia shop for £365. So resale value of N8 is 68% of new value.
Typical ebay price for iPhone 4 is £400. Selling new via Google Shopping price is £600. So resale value of iPhone 4 is only 66% of new value.
So N8 resale values as a percentage of original cost are higher than iPhone 4 resale values.
So I’ve proven you wrong again for the 800th time.
Rant, when you stop talking rubbish and putting out incorrect information to people, I will stop correcting you. I know you don’t like it, but you always think you know what you’re talking about and I am showing people where are you are wrong. People deserve to have accurate true information, not believe rubbish.
Did a quick check, the iPhone goes for about 70% +
That for one thing is not true!
He just doesn’t care that much
If he was that concerned as maybe you and I are, things might be different. Yet again I fully understand that you do everything in your hands to save anything symbian related!
Keep up the good work, but don’t concentrate on Rant as what ever you do probably won’t influence him in any way. Especially not if you write your posts dedicated to him.
Just bring in the facts at all times and people will see themselves. No need for calling someone wrong, even if he is. Sometimes.
And you still don’t have push email. Your web browser sucks too. How’s your social networking experience?
EVERYTIME I bring these shortcomings up, you conveniently ignore them. So I ask you once more…If the N8 is truly the best phone EVER made and blows away the competition easily, why can’t it do the above? If it can’t do the above, what businessman would want to take your advice? What entertainment geek would want to buy your phone of choice if they can’t even surf the net?
All hail eldar. His words are gold.
WP7 is not exciting enough, which is why it won’t beat Android. Kids want a really nice weather app. They don’t want smooth and practical.
But I really dislike how slow Nokia is going, look how long 1 update is taking. They are also only using Maemo/Meego for research purposes. What the hell. -.- Don’t they see that people like the OS? Maybe they should provide support?
Is Nokia now run by idiots?
not sure about it not being exciting enough thou. The new mango stuff is not fully revealed yet, and that is already quite awesome.
Wow. Multitasking… -_-
Well, it isn’t proper desktop multitasking like Symbian or Maemo/Meego.
hmmm. i wont want to start another long ass debate here. so yeah have fun with android.
Wouldn’t it be better to just ignore his twitter things and stuff, I mean, he probably think it’s funny to make other bloggers write about him, maybe we should just ignore anything he say and don’t give him the satisfaction…..
I mean, you’ve written quite alot about him this week 
hehe just saying, maybe that’s what he wants….. 
Blogs writing about it isn’t all that bothering, but I’ve seen major and respected news outlets copying the news, that is disturbing.
who gives a shit! Il buy any phone that does da job r8 4 ME. Nevermind being royal 2 any company. Its ther job 2sell ther product init,iv got a N8 the only reason i got that coz ov the 12meg camera. If sony or any other bring out a better 1 ,il dump my N8.
couldn’t have said it better
if Nokia releases a phone that is amazing and catches peoples imagination then they will sell a ton.
Well said. I will most likely be buying my 1st LG soon now that they have adopted meego. Their phones are also cheap and looks like they have finally woken up! Im a nokia fan but i will jump ship if nokia continue to dissappoint. If the lg phones are crap or nokia doesnt release something good soon, a hp product is on the horizon running webos.
Why adopt android as a plan B? They still have symbian and meego to fall back on. I’d say they’d stick it out with meego or maemo. That would be a logical decision than jumping around to adopt other os’s. Anyway, the decision is with nokia wants to just another manufacturer that makes phones and borrows software from others like many manufacturers currently do. Even the mighty samsung realise that there is more value in having your very own inhouse os (bada?). Look at how that worked out. I think great thus far. They have sold millions of their very own branded os. Nokia needs to remain unique. On that aspect of selling off part of the company. That would not fly especially considering the millions they took from the government. I think a timely intervention would stop that from coming to reality.
That’s great in theory, but the fact of the matter is that Nokia development is TOO SLOW to keep up w/ the rest of the competition. Sure Symbian/Meego has potential, but how long will it take to develop a competitive OS? I mean look at what we have now. 8 months since the release of Symbian^3 and all that they’ve come up with is a portrait keyboard and color coded calendar. The pace that Nokia sets is absolutely ridiculously slow. If this is the fall back plan, then Nokia will surely fall off the face of the earth!
Symbian wouldn´t be any ooption…Eventually Meego with the mighty partner Intel – but they´ve tried that already. I wouldn´t go back to S^3 but enforce meego development.
BUT they already laid off symbian/meego developers (=know how), best heads surely have found another job in another company. Developers are frustrated by the WP7 strategy instead of enforcing Qt development (sold to Trolltech?)
Reading an interview with the Intel Ceo 20 minutes ago it seems that the launch of products would have been imminent – till Elop appeared.
If Nokia goes android, I will stick to their symbian and meego phones. I will be damn to have a battery hogging OS like android killing my phone within in hours.
It was Eldar who told us earlier that Nokia had skipped the N9 keyboard cell phone. He was apparently wrong there, but he continues as if nothing happened.
He also told us that “he was waiting for a man” who would come and show off a meego mobile for him. We are still waiting for the man to come along.
I have no idea how he manages to get such media coverage, the guy’s mythomaniac!
To be fair, he was sort of right. The phone was supposed to be available to customers at the end of 2010. 6 months later and we’re just starting to hear rumblings again? That’s a VERY long time in a quickly-moving market. Any longer and it might as well be canned because it’ll be obsolete by the time it finally emerges.
But first Meego version for mobile phones (1.2) has long been said to be launched this month.
In late 2010, there were no MeeGo for mobiles.
no i’ve seen meego for phone since start of 2010
Point taken. Nokias past foilups precedes that strategy being an effective one. To their benefit. I’d say the restructuring within the company didnt help s^3 development gathering any momentum whatsoever. God knows how many people have been working on developments if at all any! I can however honestly say that the lack of progress can be purely emphasized on lack of management and pathetic recruitment policies. Had they employed the right caliber people initially, they wouldnt be in the predicament they are in. I mean they probably just employed people straight out of college (from the same country) with no experience! Having said that, i’d say if Elop has indeed restructured correctly then the adoption of the above strategy will work. If nothing has changed then nokia is doomed.
above in reply to hypnopottamus
You have wrong assumptions about 1) how competent Nokia SW engineers are, 2) how competent they are compared to other sw engineers 3) how much competent they need to be compared to for example Android engineer when working with Symbian codebase.
So yes, Symbian development is slow and difficult, yes itäs difficult to get countless of rockstar coder to work on it. That does not mean that Nokia employees would be worse or better than other sw engineers.
Good point. The most disappointing thing was that once Nokia announced that they would focus development using QT in late 2010, things started getting exciting. The concepts they showed off were fresh for once. Then Nokia went back to what Nokia does best. Delay…delay…delay. They delayed their flagship business device E7, they delayed the 1st firmware upgrade (PR 1.1) they delayed their next firmware ugrade (PR 1.2), then Elop announced the WM7 strategy. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when they announced, yet again, the delay of PR 2.0, which they now dub Symbian Anna.
I’m sorry, but the tech world works at a furious pace and Nokia just can’t keep up! Looking at sales #’s and growth, the market hasn’t been too forgiving toward Nokia. SOMETHING had to be done. Sticking with Nokia’s in-house “innovation” just wasn’t cutting it. It’s too early to tell if the Microsoft alliance was a good strategy, but it certainly doesn’t look very rosy at the moment.
I know I sound like a hater sometimes, but it irks me to no end when people just look past Nokia’s shortcomings as if there is no room for improvement. This type of attitude is what has hurt Nokia. Yes you are the leader in the phone world, but you CANNOT just sit idle while the competition nips at your toes. Pretty soon, they are at your jugular and you’re dead in the water! This is where Nokia finds itself today. In the tech world, you CANNOT rest on your laurels.
Nokia’s biggest fans are the ones most frustrated with Nokia, more than any actual Nokia hater.
As mentioned, looking back it is like time and time again they have played wonderfully all the right rules from the big “book of fail”.
There is nothing wrong with their ability to make good products. There are however cancerous malignant tumours of twatfaced management that stifle Nokia’s progress. Nokia’s worst enemy has always been themselves. Competitors aren’t killing them, they are imploding from within.
“Competitors aren’t killing them, they are imploding from within.”
ABSOLUTELY! This is what kills me. This is really more of Nokia staying at a standstill. It’s not like the competition is doing anything amazingly innovative. They’re just adjusting their software to newer hardware. Nothing really groundbreaking, but at least they are moving forward. Nokia just appears to be doing NOTHING. If they are doing something, they sure are taking their sweet time! Nokia right now is just getting their OS (Anna) to the point where it should have been on release (8 months ago)! These are ALL self-inflicted wounds, not what the competition is doing.
best birthday News ever
bull shit story why android if you have MeeGo.
Eldar farted again
Quite possibly the most amusing thing I’ve read all day
Dat picture o_o
It’s meant to be the Russian Onion. I hope folks here are familiar with “The Onion” style of stories.
And in that, we have Elop as the fire starter of the burning platform. The image suited as there was already Russian text (I think), though would have been better if it weren’t a little girl. Maybe symbolic of the innocence that they’d never do such a thing?
If only I knew photoshop, I’d make my graphics look better :p
sick of waiting,I switch to android brought the cheapest one but still keep my n8. I play with plastic phone for a while.
Do all Russians hate Finland? Is this because they failed to win during the war? cause this goes waaay back! Someone should tell this guy to shut the f**k up OR play all his cards…HONESTLY!
Actually Russia is the 4th major market for Nokia.
Eldar is insane…. as usual
It is worthless to talk about Murtazin talking about Nokia
if MSFT is buying (acc to elop) why would they work on android?