Nor do you deny the lack of a fully functional browser. It is obvious that you don’t have the intelligence to read or comprehend what I have said. I said there are 2 main demographics that make up smartphone users. Me making my mind up as to which I am has got NOTHNG TO DO WITH IT! Your dismissiveness of my comment (even when I took the time to reply) can only mean a couple of things:

1. You don’t have a need for a smarthpone since these BASIC features are missing and you don’t seem to mind

2. I am in the right. Nokia, using Symbian, simply doesn’t measure up as a modern day smartphone.

I suspect both to be the case(with the later DEFINITELY being the case). Thanks for proving my point for me. CASE CLOSED!

You also mention Gameloft and how its games can lag- I think the issue is that the games are poorly optimized for Symbian. Coding games for this OS has always been somewhat of an afterthought, and it shows here.

Sent from my N8 using landscape Swype

In any case, no need to reply anymore. It seems we’ll never understand each other’s points of view. You are simply nitpicking from the view of a hipster with nothing better to do, while I look at it from the point of an everyday user. To a foodie any normal meals will look stale.

It’s pretty basic: Nokia is a hardware vendor that also makes a phone OS. Besides that what do they deliver?

Infrastructure for networks, still phone related. It will give them an advantage into good connecting phones and call quality yet is still remains phone oriented.

On the other hand you have Apple, Google and MS. All three (or two Apple and MS) are companies that have experience in the PC world. A world that will transition to mobile phones, or mobile devices in the coming years.

Those companies have knowledge and leverage in the PC world. And mostly they already work with a lot of services that want (or need) to transition to the post PC era, the mobile era.

I guess you need to see the definition of Ecosystem in a different light. It’s not about an app store, OS, phones and maybe a music store. It is about far far more than that. Remote acces to your desktop for one. Nokia would be hard pressed to make something like that. MS on the other hand makes 80% of the desktop world run, thus making it easy for them to get into something like that.

Then there is BING search, music etc. Also a part of an ecosystem eventhough Bing sucks a bit. That’s exactly why Android is also succeeding. Succes they had with Gmail and all their other services partly made Android to what is now.

Nokia started from the other side, mobile into PC world. OPK tried to copy a Google like model with OVI mail etc. But it was too poor an effort and too late as well.

It is all a personal opinion and by no means based on anything but I do believe it has some truth to it. Also, it is not meant as pro WP. More to say why Symbian probably wouldn’t cut it as a highend OS for long.
MeeGo would be the alternative, as you probably know, that OS was also built for the full package although that was a bit different, but they were (or are) aiming for integration in the sense interdevice compatibility.

I use I.E.9 yes. I also have firefox. My choice between then is different. Whilst both core browsing experience is essentially the same (as with Chrome) I have add-ons with firefox which is why I prefer using it (over any other browser for Windows).

Mobile is different. People don’t see their phones as mini PCs with growing functionality. They see the web button and expect it to JUST WORK.

The browser in WP is:

1)Fast – Symbian browser slow. Such a pain to see Symbian browser slowly opening my web pages. And whilst it’s loading I see NOTHING. It doesn’t even let me read parts of the page whilst I read. WHY?!
2)Smooth – Symbian browser, slow and choppy scrolling. Hiccup or stop
3)Renders pages accurately
4)Supports Multitouch that is very smooth – chequer boarding all the time and multitouch zooms in only very small portion
5)Accepts multiple tabs – NOTHING yet on this front for Symbian default browser. Opera gets there though.
6)Great multitab UI – There’s no multitab yet but what they demoed for anna looks AWFUL. Why not just steal what Opera’s done? There’s that new browser with top desktop browser like tabs on Symbian? Or at least have grid of thumbnails like Maemo/WP?
7)Can render pages very quickly even on slow connection – I don’t even bother on Symbian default. If slow connection, I need Opera.
9) DOES NOT CRASH OR LOCK UP ON HEAVY PAGES. – Symbian…er my browser has crashed loading wordpress. It crashes loading my blog. It crashes loading engadget. It crashes loading digg. I’m midway trying to type a comment and whoops, Symbian browser has crashed. Why should we put up with this?
10 – UI is easy to use – Even with Symbian^3 the default navigation experience is a pain. This was something commented about before the whole WP thing. I still have this toolbar that only disappears when it wants. THREE tap process to access buttons that should be there in one tap. e.g. REFRESH? On the plus side, Symbian^3 browser is MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH better compared to the filth on S^1.

It’s no MicroB in terms of FULL web experience. I don’t have FLASH but neither do Opera users- the browser recommended if you want to do some actual browsing on Symbian. I miss flash for embed video (sometimes it opens with player, supposedly embed HTML5 vids better implementation in Mango)

But it’s a darn sight better than that shit experience I have had in Symbian with the default browser.
One thing I’ve found on WP is that I enjoy browsing the web on my phone again. I use bookmarked versions instead of apps. This somewhat gives me what I loved in Maemo.

Having 800×480 really helps ME as I can see more on a page at one time. For some 640X360 is totally fine. There’s a new bare minimum for 2011 though and it’s WVGA.

I hope we do see qHD on Symbian.

———–Messaging? What is wrong there? You have Swype, which is by far the fastest input method on a touchscreen. You also have the convenience of T9 for portrait, which is an EXCELLENT FEATURE, as it allows people with big fingers (like me) to not get frustrated while typing in portrait. Portrait qwerty is coming in an update.. so.. what’s your point?———-
SWYPE. Which we are YET to see portrait version for Symbian^3 huh? Swype designed for portrait use that is completely awkward in landscape (thus I end up preferring the default QWERTY. This shouldn’t have to be installed by a user who doesn’t even know what the hell SWYPE is (though good that in Astound, we saw it being rolled in as part of the experience).

This is what is important. The core user experiences are done RIGHT!

—-General stability.. Is Android stable? Hell no. It is up to the APP DEVELOPER to insure stability of the app on a given platform. It’s not Symbian’s fault that the app you downloaded isn’t working correctly – because 99% of the apps in Ovi store DO work correctly and are very stable. Personally I’ve yet to find one that wouldn’t be. Give examples?—–

Is Android stable? Are we talking about Android? No.

Is Windows Phone stable? Yes.

And as for “it’s not Symbian’s fault – it’s the apps”. NO. There are still parts of the OS that lags as a fresh install out of the box. And as for it being something Non-Ovi store.

I have had TWO Nokia N8′s. One for experimenting (with beta apps), one with just plain Ovi Store approved items. They BOTH crash and lock up in Web Browsing over certain pages. Gamelofts games sometimes FAIL to start for no reason or crash half way. It obviously gets worse if that game isn’t the only thing in the background. The wordpress app won’t even open anymore.
Those are some EXAMPLES for you from Ovi Store only touched N8.

—–Blame Nokia for skimping on processor power and RAM. While Symbian is not a power-hungry OS, it still needs more juice than Nokia had been running it on. Especially because CONTEMPORARY APPS AND GAMES NEED HIGHER SPECS. This is the same across the board. —-

Agreed! Symbian pro fanatics have always cried out that Symbian is light and doesn’t need all that processing power and RAM. Yeah, if you’re never going to use it for anything except what’s on the phone.

Why the feck Nokia didn’t par up N97 with beefier hardware when it new it was lacking in software polish? Same with N8! April when released…but let’s think about these handsets 6-12 months down the line! We want longevity.

I’m not sure about iPhone 3G or even 3G processors vs N8 and overall speed though.

I’d love to see what Symbian is capable of on identical hardware.

My comment is already too long as it is and I have exams to go to now.

The business/enterprise user depends on e-mail. Being late 5 minutes means losing a client, a contract, or even your job! Don’t downplay the importance of push email. There are SEVERAL documented issues w/ Nokia’s email. It simply isn’t reliable as a business/enterprise device. Second is the calendar. If one has multiple calendars to keep track of, being able to easily navigate and read the month view is essential. As of now (it suppose to come with Anna) there is NO way to differentiate between multiple calendars. Symbian is on the E7, the supposed “ultimate business device”. I’m sorry but it just doesn’t measure up. It really is a joke!

For the multi-media/entertainment user typically wants a fully functional browser, a good social network client, and the ability to listen/watch music/movies. Symbian does well with movies. It also does pretty well in the gaming department. The music app is not very good. Try searching for an artist. I’m sorry, but Opera mobile is a joke as far as fully functional browsers go. You’ve got NO FLASH support, thus you can’t view sites with embedded videos including facebook! Try viewing articles with video posted on THIS blog. YOU CAN’T! So there goes your half assed Opera workaround! Since you have no dedicated youtube app, you’re forced to use Symbians crappy native browser. Again, these are features that most prospective multi-media/entertainment user looks for ina smartphone.

This is getting long, but you forced me to point out Symbian’s shortcomings and I did. There is NO reason why a businessman would take a chance on an OS whose email client has an unreliable Push experience! Same goes when it comes to entertainment users! They look for a FULLY FUNCTIONAL browser along w/ social networking features. Symbian just doesn’t cut it.

As a former Symbian user, I have to say that you Symbian fanboys realy need to try other platforms and see what they are capable of. Instead of making silly compromises with half assed features, you need to see how truly far behind the curve Symbian has found itself. You call my complaints a joke, but the joke’s on you! Your defense of an incomplete OS isn’t doing Nokia any favors. In fact, sorry to say, with all the bugs and lags and workarounds Symbian user’s have to put up with, it’s no wonder why it has become the laughing stock of the smartphone world!

I don’t know if this is fixed in Mango. It will be OK for maybe majority of users that would perhaps pop a card in and never take it out again, but if you want the memory card for transferring, it’s a no no.

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/04/16/windows-phone-7-certified-memory-cards-available-_-certified-wtf/