‘Nokia N9′ – with Android?
The same source that showed us Windows Phone on the N9 (with new touch buttons) has another image, this time of Android. Now possibly ringing bells of FAKE or possibly like the N900 just running every darned OS out there (why? Engadget suggests possibly when Nokia was deciding which way to go, Windows Phone or Android, i.e. just testing purposes)
Engadget’s Vlad isn’t letting his love for MeeGo N9 falter.
In reply to a comment: Those wp7 and android leaks just demonstrate how f****** cool meego is in comparison.
Vlad says, “Couldn’t agree more.”
Myriam agrees, “seconded”.
Though again, how does this all work without buttons? Touch buttons like Sea-Ray?
What’s the next OS the N9 should try and play with? OOOH OOH, I know. Symbian.
update: Eldar ‘confirms’ this is a real proto, not just a n9
“AS i said before Plan B for Nokia is Android – check engadget engt.co/mSrs8O thats real one proto. 2012 if MS not buy Nokia division”
…
“When WP7 fail and if MS not buy Nokia smart division in 2011, Nokia will launch plan B and we’ll see Android devices (2012). Thats simple”
OK then.
Here’s another sign of Nokia’s impending doom with Android.
N9xx with gingerbread
via Engadget
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DId I mention how Badly I want one recently? no ? well I’ll give you a kidney and half my liver (your a Med student Jay I’m sure it’ll help you)
There is a recent news of a Chinese idiot from China who sell his kidney to buy an iPhone 4 and iPad2.
He is so proud of it.
This is real.
he’s just a kid, so some how he didn’t know what wrong or right…
not an actuql kid i think he was around 18years of age
and he didnt get the ipad because they were out so he got a macbook
he was 17 year old boy, so we can consider a kid:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_technews/20110602/tc_yblog_technews/17-year-old-sells-his-kidney-for-ipad-2
17… i remember when i was 17… i was no boy… ask your grandfather if he was a ‘boy’ @ 17 he was probably in a war
Ha ha…
+1
No he is not proud of it. He regreted.
There was one suicide after losing her iphone.
Of course Engadget are going to over blow this
Companies test all sorts of things thats the whole point of an R&D department I would have been surprised if Nokia hadn’t had a device in house to see if Android was a viable option.
This is phone development people !!!
BTW I am glad Nokia didn’t go with Android, Wp7 makes it look ancient
> BTW I am glad Nokia didn’t go with Android, Wp7 makes it look ancient
This is nothing but one person’s personal preference.
WP is currently heading for total fail unless it improves a HUGE amount VERY rapidly.
I agree its my opinion but you saying that that Wp7 is a total fail is also just your opinion and nothing concrete. Just because you hate Wp7 doesn’t mean its a fail
so far its a failure… when the only hope for your OS is Nokia to bring it in a year later thats pretty sad. who knows how the OS will do too even with NOK @ the helm
When the only hope for MeeGo is Nokia to bring it a year later then thats pretty sad too. Who knows how well the OS will do when you tell the world you are not going to use it the future and pronounce it dead.
yes but the only difference with WP is they’re actually trying to sell it already with other manufacturers and its failed
meego hasn’t even stepped out on the field yet
look @ it WP7 has been available for over 8 months already and they haven’t been able to push anything their hope (nokia) isn’t expected to come out with anything for another few months (at the least)
MeeGo isn’t scheduled to come out for a few months either.
Windows Phone isn’t being pushed by the manufacturers because they are busy with Android Nokia doesnt have that problem because they will fully concentrate on Wp7.
There is too much politics surrounding MeeGo
MeeGo is out in september.
It took the N9 3 years to be devleoped in the same time, the iPhone 3, iPhone 3gs and iPhone 4 came out all stunning devices heck the iPhone 5 will probably come out before the N9.
I am not dismissing the N9 but just like Vlad fromm engadget said
” If Nokia isn’t fully invested in MeeGo and Qt, why should you be?”
iphone 3, 3gs and 4 are the same device
how long has microsoft been developing WP7?
it doesnt matter to me how long a company takes to develop a device
heck we saw Playstation 9 concepts/designs before the Playstation 3 was even released
Saying manufacturers aren’t concentrating on Windows Phone is a cop out… the devices they released didn’t catch on at all… if they did manufacturers would be foolish not to pay notice
So people still bought them instead of Nokia devices.
It does matter to me, to Nokia, to their investors and customers how long Nokia take to develop.
While Nokia are developing their phones people are moving to other platforms such as iOS and Android so time IS MONEY and matter a great deal.
Manufacturers not concentrating on windows phone is not a cop out its a fact. Awful advertising from microsoft and terrible internal competition have added to low sales not the capabilities of windows phone.
Customer do not buy phones that are badly advertised and not advertised at all. Android is being advertised at a frightening pace.
HTC said that Nokia joining wp7 should improve the situation.
you think Apple hasn’t taken years and years to develop the iphone? you really think it just took them less than a year to develop the iphone5? they’ve likely been developing iOS5 since before the first iphone was introduced
as for Windows Phone.. all im hearing is excuses and cop outs of WHY its failed… but no acceptance that it Has Failed (and if no1 was buying Nokia phones Nokia wouldn’t be looked @ as a Saviour for WP7)
@Red
If you think iOS5 was in the works before the original iPhone you’re both correct and horribly wrong. The iOS that needed to go into the original iPhone was being worked on and is still the base for iOS5. So in a sense it was being developed before the first iPhone.
And if the iPhone 5 is a mere development on the 4 than it could very well be that just over a year and a half is needed to make it.
As for WP. As long as the fail calling people only come with it has failed and period excuses will be made.
To add to that, Android would have failed as well back in 2008. That started really poor as well. Don’t get me wrong, WP has failed more than it has succeeded yet Mango has been a reason for that. Both developers and buyers are holding out for a more functional device.
If 3 months after Mango it still sold poorly I’ll join you in the WP has failed camp. If not? We’ll cross that bridge when weget to it.
Au moins, le N9 n’est pas mort si Nokia le lache: il pourra toujours tourner sous android ou WP7 !
(N9 will never die: if Nokia don’t follow him, he can running with android or WP7
)
LOl Eldar had just said
“AS i said before Plan B for Nokia is Android – check engadget thats real one proto. 2012 if MS not buy Nokia division”
so if Microsoft don’t buy Nokia, Nokia will move to Android in 2012.
yikes !!!!
Nokia & Android: Would be at least an option I could live with as the contrary to a Nokia bought by M$ to spread that WinPhone OS further.
I think Meego sales will top the WinPhone sales. Can´t await autumn…
Completely disagree, look at what happened in the desktop OS market there were only two people in the game and innovation was almost nonexistent, if Nokia moved to Android then the mobile game would be over and innovation would go out of the window.
The more players we have in the game the better for the customer, all this nonsense about Microsoft being evil is childish Google and Apple are as evil as Microsoft were. Microsoft are arguably less evil now because they are on their back foot.
Agree on that one…
We need other OSes like WebOS and Meego soi that we have an easy route when the evil empires strike.
Completely agree too. Most important is the customer experience, not how successful your favorite OS is.
I wonder if those fanboy think using their ass.
+10000000000000 finally someone with that gets it !!!!!
> Most important is the customer experience, not how successful your favorite OS is
True. And response to the N9 has been fantastic across the board. While WinPho some people love, some people hate. N9 has just presented an even higher bar for WinPho to jump, especially when you factor in features lacking in WP, and all that lovely Qt developer support and apps out there while WP is a completely different system.
I don’t know if it is Harmattan the people love or the comeback of the former king.
Nokia is everyones favorite even when you own an HTC or Samsung. Evryone started out with a Nokia or at least knows someone with one. Nokia is synomous with mobile phones.
They haven’t had one truly compelling device launched in several years. A device that looked great and housed some truly nice OS. I’m torn about why people love the N9. Is it truly about the OS and device? Or does the comeback of the king also play a major part in it?
Wow !!! very interesting thoughts there could definitely be a contributing matter.
I think it’s definitely the N9, not the desire to see Nokia rise from the ashes. The reaction to the N9 has been overwhelmingly positive from every corner of the internet, with almost every article second-guessing the switch to WP7 after seeing Meego.
Let’s look at the alternatives to Meego. Many people, myself included, just don’t like the idea of the Gorg mining their every move, which rules out Android. WebOS, although elegant, has decidedly crappy hw. That leaves Apple’s pretty jail and MS WP7. Given those choices, I’d drink the Apple kool-aid in a second.
Agree. We don’t even know how well MeeGo performs quite yet. We just know the UI is awesome and it seems to have a complete feature set. How well that feature set works we’ll find out soon.
>look at what happened in the desktop OS market there were only two people in the game and innovation was almost nonexistentThe more players we have in the game the better for the customerall this nonsense about Microsoft being evil is childish Google and Apple are as evil as Microsoft were<
Never stated that Microsoft is the personified evil… You´re stating that microsoft is LESS evil because they aren´t successfull AT THE MOMENT? So if I follow your thought I don´t want to see the future where Microsoft is more successful und thus more evil.
That Google and Apple have their own drawbacks concering privacy and building up closed os´ and try to get hold of every part of a consumers live – I´m well aware of that. Everyone has to see to get the mobile device with the os which he deems most suitable.
Loosing half of my comment here…
>completely disagree, look at what happened in the desktop OS market there were only two people in the game and innovation was almost nonexistent<
And so you think the non innovative (your statement) monopolist (desktop os) Microsoft is gonna be the savior because Apple and especially Google try what MS has been doing since many years/ a decade? Laughable.
Well that seems to be the general consensus from Nokia fanboys oh Microsoft is evil blah blah blah without coming up with real concrete arguments as to why Windows Phone 7 is a fail.
Windows Phone is at least in the market, the N9 has been in development for 3 YEARS and its STILL not out yet now thats what I call a fail.
Since this Feb 11 deal there hasn’t been a single comment on this site on why Windows Phone 7 is a fail or is terrible, every time I ask why they mention silly thinks like: Elop is a trojan horse, Microsoft is evil, blah blah blah Andre gets the majority of the oh *how much does Microsoft pay you*
the fact is we would have loved for Nokia to continue the path with MeeGo but they have no other choice. They are as slow as a snail, remember MeeGo is still not out yet by the time is does we will have
iPhone 5
Android Ice cream sandwich
WebOS 3
Windows Phone 7 Mango
Thats some tough competition
As I understand it, technically, this isn’t even proper MeeGo as they could not finish this on time. It’s like at a halfway point between Maemo 6 and MeeGo.
Well then that supports my point even further NOKIA ARE SLLLOOOOOOWWWWW !!!!
They are slow, but Harmattan at least works and was their child from the beginning on. Unlike MeeGo where they could only contribute but not stotally steer.
It was a comment to support your point.
So in your answer you´re just assuming that I´m a little Nokia fanboy and field geralized arguments.
If you would have read further comments of mine you would see that I generally prefer a tough competition on the smartphone market and as well as the operators I see a third “ecosystem” very positive.
>>since this Feb 11 deal there hasn’t been a single comment on this site on why Windows Phone 7 is a fail or is terrible, every time I ask why they mention silly thinks<>You cannot judge that MeeGo is the best thing ever without touching, unless you have of course, but I have a feeling you haven’t<<
So do you actually experience Mango on your WinPhone7 device, if you own one at all? Not allowing others to refer to videos and hands on concerning os and updates as you do, we all would have to judge WinPhone7 according to it´s current state without seeing all the features Mango is going to offer. We all know what reviews state about WinPhone7 in it´s current form: it´s not competitive.
Generally we just disagree on one point: I personally think that the Meego os is offering more opportunities for Nokia to differntiate themselves and be independent from anyone. You apparently prefer the WinPhone route they´ve taken.
So if Nokia doesn´t support Meego/Harmattan (technically the right expression) further on they´ll lose me and others as customers and win you and presumably others. That´s live I´ve no problem with that.
WTH is going on with the comment function? It deliberately cuts out parts of the comment…
As answer to the quotation about WinPhone7 comments that state that the os is a failure:
There have been many, perhaps you just didn´t read them. WindowsPhone is being outsold by WindowsMobile.
Being on a very low level it´s losing even more market share.
Consumers, even in the US (where Elop intends to aim the new devices) don´t buy WinPhone devices. Thus they´re sold for 1(!) Cent.
Featurewise it cant´t compete with ANY relevant os out there, not even the ever beat-taking Symbian.
I completely agree that MeeGo adds better differentiation, like I have said I would love them to continue on that path the problem is, Nokia are not in a situation to sell MeeGo down peoples throat while iOS Android and Windows phone are on the market RIGHT NOW and have been doing what MeeGo does in slightly different way. Remember MeeGo is still not out yet no one knows how well MeeGo actually works in a real world situation.
I have used Windows Phone and mango adds a lot features that WILL bring it on par with the competition, if you read previews of respected bloggers they agree.
The fact is I dont like Nokia going Windows but Nokia put themselves into this situation and they need to get themselves out. I dont think MeeGo will be on par with the competition.
@John
“Since this Feb 11 deal there hasn’t been a single comment on this site on why Windows Phone 7 is a fail or is terrible, every time I ask why they mention silly thinks like:”
Quite simple, I’m glad you asked. It’s a fail because despite being sold by four phone brands, a $500 million marketing campaign, a Microsoft backed ecosystem ecosystem ecosystem it doesn’t more than Bada which has almost no ecosytem to speak of and sold only by Samsung.
Heck, my N8 running on a burning platform (that still brought the bacon to Nokia despite Mr Elop’s posturing) on its lonesome outsells it.
Let’s wait for Q2 2011 figures to see if WP7 manages to top the 1.6 million handset (MS couldn’t even bring themselves to diclose the numbers, just mumbled something about a Nokia deal) that were sold in Q1.
Those four phone brands are busy selling Android phones, they have not bothered with Wp7. I will give you an example
Samsung have 2 windows phones in that same time they have launched at least 7-10 Android phones have advertised all of them in the same time there were 2 windows phone with no marketing anywhere, Advertising from manufacturers are always more effective than the ones done by the platform holder.
Bada isn’t being pitched in the same vein as Windows Phone its like S60 5 edition phones right know that are still being sold.
The only reason the N8 outsells Windos phone is because its being sold in more countries and that is nothing to do with features. Nokia’s global presents was a primary factor in getting Nokia on board.
I am saying until one manufacturer commits fully with Windows Phone and advertises Wp7 devices as well as Android counterparts, and it still sells terrible not until then will I be convinced by Windows phone being a failure.
The fact is the four manufacturers have not nearly given as much attention to their Windows phones as their Android device.
The reason why I am optimistic about the Wp7 deal is because Nokia will fully focus on it whereas the others haven’t.
Why was Maemo never a big success ???, because Nokia never focused on it like they did with Symbian. Same situation here with Windows Phone.
Too many people are branding Windows phone as failure just because they dont like Microsoft and that is unfair.
Also the reason SAM/LG/HTC is not mass producing WP7 phones is because of its strict requirements and fees. Those android phones can run on 600Mhz and is about the same price as S^1 devices. With those premium specs, Microsoft can only target iOS customers who can afford expensive phones.
It only makes sense for the OEMs to not release a lot of them.
LG/SAM/HTC has dual core premium phones but I doubt they are the best sellers among the Galaxy/Optimus/Desire variants. There are downsides like fragmentation but that does not matter or affect a lot who use their specific phone (spec price) the way the expect it.
Until WP7 can be affordable, it can never compete with android in market share.
That said I do wish that WP7 succeeds so that we have more choices but not at the death of MeeGo.
Again I completely agree, Microsoft will be forced by Nokia to lower the specs to all them to compete in the mid tier or they will simple as.
The only reason we see dual core android phones is because they are struggling to compete with each other and iPhone.
I want all the OS’s to compete more competition for us customers is a good thing.
@John…I must say it has been wonderful reading your insightful, ‘voice of reason’ posts here, not to mention that you address the naysayers and negative posters with class, intelligence, and professionalsim. Thanks for bringing balance to this site! (and to you as well Andre)!
P.S. I agree with your post 100%.
“Those four phone brands are busy selling Android phones, they have not bothered with Wp7. I will give you an example
Samsung have 2 windows phones in that same time they have launched at least 7-10 Android phones have advertised all of them in the same time there were 2 windows phone with no marketing anywhere, Advertising from manufacturers are always more effective than the ones done by the platform holder.”
All that says that Android is a more interesting platform for OEMs. It’s a WP7 failing.
“Bada isn’t being pitched in the same vein as Windows Phone its like S60 5 edition phones right know that are still being sold.”
So you agree that it’s not so far a commercial success. Those phones sell, WP7 do not.
“The only reason the N8 outsells Windos phone is because its being sold in more countries and that is nothing to do with features. Nokia’s global presents was a primary factor in getting Nokia on board.”
Samsung has global presence, on a scale than can rival Nokia’s. Yet their WP7 sales are weak, Android sales not, heck even their Bada sales are better. Looks like a WP7 failure to me.
“I am saying until one manufacturer commits fully with Windows Phone and advertises Wp7 devices as well as Android counterparts, and it still sells terrible not until then will I be convinced by Windows phone being a failure.
The fact is the four manufacturers have not nearly given as much attention to their Windows phones as their Android device.”
Why is that? What differences that it would make for them to make money on Android or WP7?
“The reason why I am optimistic about the Wp7 deal is because Nokia will fully focus on it whereas the others haven’t.
Why was Maemo never a big success ???, because Nokia never focused on it like they did with Symbian. Same situation here with Windows Phone.”
We will see.
“Too many people are branding Windows phone as failure just because they dont like Microsoft and that is unfair.”
Waaaaaah.
If Ms bought Nokia, you know to blame who.
Feb 2011 partnership is unnecesary because here it is N9 ready on time (meego 1.2 on time on April) and the partnership has no disturb the MeeGo development=>on time release.
And MeeGo 1.3 Oktober plan release.
If Microsoft bought its Nokia fault getting into this mess in the first place if the released a real competitor a year after the iPhone then they wouldn’t have to sell themselves.
Feb 11 partnership is necessary because it too Nokia 3YEARS to develop the N9 3 YEARS thats a joke
And Google bought Android in 2005. THATS SIX FUCKING YEARS, and look at it, it is outdated compared to MeeGo.
Meego was built from Feb 2010 and release ver 1.2 at April 2011.
That on time. 1 Year. No late.
And Oktober 2011 ver 1.3.
If you include Maemo 6 development then that’s before feb 2010 announcement that was unfair comparison.
WP launch nothing special feature even simple multitasking.
MeeGo N9 launch get all of feature from any other OSs out there
“Feb 11 partnership is necessary because it too Nokia 3YEARS to develop the N9 3 YEARS thats a joke”
For Nokia, the Feb 11 partnership is necessary like a bullet to both feet. To wit, since that Friday of February
- Market cap almost cut in half
- Debt rating one step above junk
- Credit rating the same
- For the first time in over a decade, the handset division may not make a profit ($4 billion yearly in 2009 and 2010)
- Nokia is so disrupted and in disarray that they aren’t even able to provide guidance on quarterly sales, let alone a yearly vision.
For the time beeing, this is what Feb 11 is : http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5725/anicsm.jpg
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/15/seeds-of-destruction-planted-before-elop-and-opks-time/
i wonder why they couldn’t make 5 more maemo devices…….and have an optional upgrade to Meego when ready cause there would so much time to build if they did that
Look at MeeGo. Android is shit coming out from a shitty company and i hope not Nokia ever will touch Android. My next mobile is an MeeGo, it will be nice to throw my Android.
One thing I don’t get is why people “gather” to ask questions from Eldar on Twitter like he would be some kind of an oracle giving out thruths from his mountain. Yes he has been right on occasion but most of the time his answers and “inside knowledge” is something anyone could gather up from news, leaks, rumours around the net etc. Most often he is just making guesses and even then he is often proven wrong – then of course he goes out and explains that he has been misunderstood (like any good “oracle” would do).
Yet another OS running on the n9, if this continues, we should see an ios5 version of n9 leaking tomorrow maybe ?? =P
no, webos first. Then ios. Then s40. Then…
I guess S40 will be done before iOS..
first Symbian ;p
I messed up the ordering. T_T
i don’t know whether it’s optical illusion or not…. Only meego looks colourful and vibrant on N9. Both wp7 and android make the AMOLED screen look like cheap LCD. and bluish dark grey(is the brightness set to lowest?) Yesterday’s wp7 proto looked like cheap plastic from samsung, unlike N9. And the screen also looked narrower compared to N9(or maybe elop has giant hands). Seriously, only meego makes the screen+phone look good. Wp7 and android make it look like a totally different hideous device, i don’t know why. Can somebody explain?
WP7 supports only 16-bit color depth.. So it was expected..
Android supports 32-bit color depth like Meego but I guess because this might be a prototype when Nokia was evaluating Android, they might not have given much importance to fine-tune the color reproduction for the display..
Could also be that this R&D unit has a plain LCD in it instead of an AMOLED unit.
Hopefully We can triple-boot N9 with MeeGo, WP and Android with easy switch-over between the 3.. That would be the ultimate phone.. I’m sure Android will be ported to N9 in quick time. The only problem would be the HAL for WP which MS won’t release.. One can only wish but if such a phone was there, it would be the perfect one…
I think Eldar ment Nokia buying Microsoft Windows Phone software division in 2012
It will be fun if that happens and then Elop can easily dump WinPho as per his likes and let other OS live in peace
I doubt they would bother to pay for it.
The reason for WP7 problems are the sme as for Windows: software quality. E.g. the “giant” in Seattle has never made a complete TCP/IP implementation. They have never made an OS that release memory allocated for temporary use. Instead they have made their own telecommunication protocols, based on their own IPX/SPX that they initially used for WIN and NETBIOS (Capital case, and non-routing). So they have to send IP packets “I have a disk here ready to be used”, and “I have a printer” or the Windows device will believe it is disconnected.
On the wireless network at home, nobody pays for these “KEEPALIVE” and lingering messages, but on the mobile network, it hits your pocket.
On the other side, it keeps connections alive overnight, allowing others to connect to your computer – you know, virus attacks. Dumping your address book on the mobile network will also be added to your monthly invoice. So, Microsoft, you have created a monster, highly profitable with as little effort as possible, but with “Commercial Extensions” and omissions that makes the software useless.
Fancy pictures, spectacular user gadgets is “cool” with someone. Those of us that has to fix the mobile networks and earn good money doing so, we know, and we know what the flaws cost businesses today. I see a moral side of this, to warn you.
Nokia delivers mobile networks, there more fuss, the more will they earn since they are not to blame – but those that use the flawed software.
If it can run ios5, this phone will be greater than jailbreak
Steve Jobs will have a heart-attack is that happens..
+100000000000000000000
for u
Doubt – but I have seen a video of the N900 running MacOS.
If MeeGo is Gtk+, there are OSX extensions avaialable, that makes this look and feel like MacOS. MacOS has a serious flaw in their hfs+ documented in the Linux Wiki.
So, make an iApps emulator beside Qt, and you have laid the egg. That emulator can be made by anyone capable of Linux coding, so it is just to go ahead.
damn it’s fake
this china clone
i can’t believed
remember fake n8 dual core running android
it’s same
Make sense
n9 is awersome, u want dev mode? (root) or install outside the market? linux package? there is a switch!!!
http://youtu.be/BsmDvgT9VYM <- watch!
SEXY, the N9 is after all the next geek device. We must spread this so that the geeks ain’t turned off because of the UI.
From the Engadget quote above:
“In reply to a comment: Those wp7 and android leaks just demonstrate how f****** cool meego is in comparison.
Vlad says, “Couldn’t agree more.”
Myriam agrees, “seconded”.”
Hope all you Windows Phone fanboys on this site (hello Andre!) and all you Android fanboys too, are taking note of this.
MeeGo has to be EXTREMELY cool and EXTREMELY good (better than everything else out there) to change the heart of a known Nokia hater (Vlad) on a known Nokia-hating US based tech site (Engadget). That is a SERIOUS achievement.
Accept it people. MeeGo wins. Nokia made a huge mistake in going with Windows Phone.
Andre and Jay are not Windows fan boys, I am not a Windows fan boy, the fact is Nokia are going to make Windows Phones. DEAL with it
Yes MeeGo is impressive, but how the hell can make a judgement on MeeGo is the best thing ever when you have never touched it, Vlad has so he has a more credible opinion, you haven’t.
If you listen to the Engadget mobile podcast Vlad has said many times that he WOULD buy Nokia Windows Phone with mango, because he loves the UI and the whole concept.
You cannot judge that MeeGo is the best thing ever without touching, unless you have of course, but I have a feeling you haven’t
Good argument, but Meego is still better. Just comparing the video demos makes that obvious.
WP7 aint that bad though, but it looks dated next to Meego. That much is clear for all to see.
I’ve been wondering about this ever since the N9 launched and people started saying that WP now looks dated.
How is that? This is not about one being better than the other but just about the visual aspect of both WP and the N9. The N9 is apart from multitasking view and the swipe interaction the same as Android, iOS, WebOS and Symbian with it’s grid of icons.
WP would have already looked dated next to Anroid etc. to being with if it also looks dated next to the N9.
Don’t get me wrong, the N8 has a lot going for it. But apart from several UX (User Experience nor UI) aspects it is nothing new. It is for Nokia but in the general market it isn’t.
+1 well said sir
MeeGo is as fresh as WP7 but not as cluttered (text everywhere than end without completing words) and ugly (few colors, mismatching colors, graphics, extreme animations).
Well that’s all just graphic design personal preference. It’s not like microsoft doesn’t know about the other colours possible or that they were incapable of fitting words on one screen.
I don’t know why MS would go for their multitasking linear view of cards tho. I think most would agree the maemo/N9 style multitasking has always been the best and most effective. If they were gonna copy something why not copy the best.
http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/2011/06/15/my-biggest-gripe-with-webos/
@Schneider
“MeeGo is as fresh as WP7 but not as cluttered (text everywhere than end without completing words) and ugly (few colors, mismatching colors, graphics, extreme animations)”
That have done that on purpose its called style designer have done that forever thats what I call unique
I call it fucking horrible and the designers must have bad skills. Perhaps it’s modern art, where even drooling kids can make masterpieces.
It is definitely modern art, I encourage you to try it if you still dont like then yeah I guess you will have to find something else, maybe Android if Eldar is right about Nokia’s plan b.
We are all different and like different things
Windows phone is like Jay said marmite.
http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/2011/06/12/windows-phone-7-metro-ui-an-unappealing-propostion/
John you really didn’t read my post did you?
I was merely pointing out what Vlad said about MeeGo. Your reply falls flat because Vlad precisely DID say N9 was the best thing ever (or words to that effect) and that WP was “Meh” (i.e. not as good as N9).
So, I’m right, and you need to read posts more carefully please
You have obviously never listened to Vlad about Windows phone on the podcast have you.
Have you also read the editorial he wrote on engadget title “You cannot be serious” he quotes towards the end
” If Nokia isn’t fully invested in MeeGo and Qt, why should you be?”
Ninja doesn’t read anything unless it is pro symbian, pro meego, or anti WP. That’s just him. He called this site a WinPho fanboy site once MNB started reporting on anything WP7 after the Feb 11th announcement.
I can bet that the podcasts were before MeeGo came. It’s hard to know anything about something that is not released yet.
So Qt for S40 in the “next billion project” is not enough Qt?
It’s not Vlad but mr. C. Ziegler over at MyNext. In their podcast they did have postive things to say about the N9 as well as WP in a similar sense.
However, they also had some serious second thoughts to the ‘events’ screen. Push all notifications in one endless screen. That will get cluttered up fairly fast with FB requests, twitter feed and the traditional call and sms.
So it isn’t all glory around the N9. Neither is it with WP. But I think the initial glory for the N9 was initiated by Nokia finally making a real touchscreen device that can measure with what is out in the market. Now the more critical reviews are coming out and you can bet on it more of those will come when a real review unit will come out.
Vlad has never been a Nokia hater. He has been a symbian hater – for good reason.
You just assume he must be biased against Nokia cos you can’t comprehend how he thinks symbian is a steaming pile of shite. Just like most people can’t comprehend how you think symbian is so amazing
+10000000 Symbian was great way back, now its not suitable anymore
Second paragraph is absolutely spot on
And you calling anyone a fanboy is hilarious when compared to you they all pale into complete insignificance on the fanboy scale.
meego wins the heart of people coz it is pure linux. linux ftw.
Ask the general consumer what linux is they will give you a blank face
Depends on if you ask a man or a woman. Many men are technical intrested and have heard of Linux.
Technical interest range far and wide. There are men interested in combustion engines and never heard of nor know Linux. There are men who know how to built intricate structrures and design buildings. They don’t know Linux, they work primarily on Windows machines because of programs like AutoCad etc.
A technical interest doesn’t mean they know Linux or even computers at all. Besides that, as long as something does what it needs to do the majority don’t care what it is.
BTW, if Linux is the selling point of MeeGo and people are attracted to Linux. Why the different name> Just call it a Linux phone then.
In addition, if Linux was a selling point period, it would have ruled the desktop world as well. But guess who rules that? Taking it a step further (maybe too far), since Windows rules the desktop/laptop OS space, does that mean it has the heart of the people and thus does it mean WP7 will also? Judging from sales #’s and comments on this blog we know this isn’t the case.
Lame.
i didn’t say everyone knows it. what i meant was that meego is linux , so it is powerful, and everyone knows it.
It’s sad how all of these phones look exactly the same, seriously, come up with something original………
it’s sad see wp7 & android look so ugly compared with meego… xD
I loove that, because MeeGo IS Nokia. WP7 and Android is Google and Microsoft.
MeeGo is Intel and Nokia. Actually MeeGo is Intel now that Nokia backed out of MeeGo.
Maemo and Harmattan, that is Nokia. MeeGo is not.
And the N9 has Harmattan!
Elop wants to shrink Nokia into another OEM for Microsoft and then ultimately sell Nokia to M$ since he has overtime decreased the stock value of Nokia.
WP and Android free riding on meego’s hype. Pft.
By this nokia wins , meego wins , and i must say our great hero symbian wins . But symbian is old now so rock on meego.
Why not just release the N9 with a huge DVD inside that allows the user to flash the device with the OS they want? This stinks…
And you get a bag of rotten fish each time you purchase your favorite ice cream.
an friend of mine is owning a bmw – i think i’m going to ask him whether he want to build in a dacia or a kia engine in….
(it’s the same thing as running the n9 with android or wp7)
the titles on windows 7 are basically just widgets. they do look bland and boring, being the same colour.
but imo they are focussing on the important things that make the os just now like getting the services, performance, developers right.
later they can modify the ui to allow customisations, like different colour tiles like in windows 8 demo. maybe even glass effect on tiles ( like the aero look in windows 7) along with wallpapers on the home screen, maybe even live wallpapers one day.
meego has great potential, and currently looks great, but it is lacking the things windows phone can provide. it too can and will improve though, and from what we have seen as it stands its probably the most efficient os out there just now ( according to nokia the n9 can multitask 100 apps at the same time – can you imagine android trying this ? or ios ? or even webos? i think not). it is also potentially the most powerful.
i really do not see why nokia have to drop meego altogether ???
why not release 1 expensive meego phone a year, a superphone with the latest top of the range specs, quad core cpu’s, 720p resolution screens, stereo surround speakers, fx transmission, ir, hepatics, air gestures, face recognition, industrial daring design etc
this will drive their reputation with excellence back up, people will associate quality with nokia again. the feedback these phones receive could then be filtered down and implemented in their windows phones. i.e. the n9 has shown that its multitasking ui is fantastic, and makes wp7 cards look ancient. why not implement that multi tasking ui in windows phone when u hit the back button rather than the tired old cards view. or have the swipe left from the tiles screen action go straight to the multitasking window, rather than have to push the back button. little things, but if the public like it why not ??? nokia are allowed to tinker with the wp7 ui or so they said.
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+999999999
I like your MeeGo Strategy!
Excellent comment!
+∞
Exactly my thoughts but you said it better than my post;)
Basically WP7 sucks but because Microsoft has so much money it is a good option to go to.. -__-
Nokia has not said they will abolish MeeGo. MeeGo be included in “Future disruption”.
And I have read “Future disruption” is going to compete with the iPhone and the most expensive Android mobiles.
So probably it will be just as you wrote.
Nokia is bad at communicating their choices.
Remember in February when they announced WP7. Anyone who had just bought a symbian phone then was certainly disappointed, but I do not think that that person had been equally disappointed if Nokia already then have told that Symbian will live at least until 2016.
on another note: elop claimed they did not go with android because there was no way to innovate or stand out from the crowd.
this is bullshit pure and simple.
1. every windows phone looks basically the same. case design ( 3 buttons) and os/ui – hd7 has bigger screen, and the focus has super amoled, thats the only difference – how can nokia stand out in this crowd if they do not change the ui ? screens are not enough.
2. every windows phone has the same basic internal hardware – how can nokia stand out from the crowd here ?
3. with android every manufacturer has custom skins, different looking case designs, and different internal hardware – so again nokia could have certainly stood out from everyone else by using android. hell they could probably even release a dual boot meego/android phone too if they wanted – that would differentiate them.
far too many things just do not add up with this microsoft deal. mistakes can be made etc but the way elop and nokia have been indifferent to the response to the n9, makes me sure something else is going on.
nokia didn’t go with android because they have to do their map etc to google.
maybe, but surely they could have allowed nokia to use their own maps, and gave people the option of also downloading google maps. symbian has this choice !
I hope that it is possible to put the N9 Meego skin on top of Windows Phone. The N9 Meego/Harmattan interface is better than windows/iphone and android. Nokia should place this over windows and then we get the best of both worlds (or as close as possible). Beautiful interface with an amazing ecosystem which Mircosoft can provide. This would help distinguish Nokia from the other windows phone manufacturers.
Now if they would just make QT compatible with windows phones….
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Wow, so many comments xD
Although I must say if Nokia were to ever make an Android phone, they better make some sweet alterations to it.
Not that they need Android or WP7 since they have shown us Harmattan.
I would like to see nokia phones open like htc.
symbian, windows, meego or android… everyone should be able to choose.
THE FUCK? IT JUST ANOTHER FUCKING FAKER NOKIA N9 FROM FUCKING CHINA! IT IS NOT THE REAL ONE. FAT AND LAGGY! URGH FUCK YOU CHINA!!