In fact, he does make an effort.
He explains why it’s just as adaptable for other platforms as WP, if not more.
If you think it’s so flawed…
Feel free to to make your case in that post.
Let me know if you do, I’d like to see what points you make.

[Of those 4 points I neglected to address, 3 were cost-cutting measures. How dare a CEO try to save money, right?]

Well, it may suit your argument to characterize them “only” as that.
But all 4x also highlight what’s been done, to impact MeeGo’s chances.
Not necessarily maliciously, but the side impact has been that.

[- So you admit that the UI changes delayed the N9′s release, but think it’s taken longer than need be? Are you a Nokia engineer? If not, then why do your thoughts matter?]

You say that as though I always denied UI changes had an impact.
No I’m not a Nokia engineer.
My thoughts may not matter towards how the project progresses.
But I’m perfectly entitled to them thanks.

[- The N9 WAS created after the N950, it was created in response to questions regarding the quality of the hinge, as written by ArsTechnica and other sources]

The N9 was not created ‘after’ the hinge issues.
That only came to the fore in approx. Jan.
There was always plans to have a slate harmattan immediately after the qwerty.
There was at least 2x arm-based harmattan phones planned before a transition to Intel SoC.

Don’t believe me if you want…
I’m certainly not going to trawl the net trying to find it.

[My point is that the developer devices have been shown to have several bugs in the software.]

I was merely asserting that it could’ve come out sooner.
Had there been more compromises in functionality.

[Also, is there any real merit in comparing Harmattan to Android 1.5 & iPhone OS?]

I was only citing them to make the point that Nok can iterate.
There’s no need to compete on every single feature count.
Release a smaller subset, get it out there, & improve from there.
This was esp. pertinent given the big project issues they hit.
Anyway it’s all pointless & hypothetical.

[- Actually, I have given a reason why Nokia may not want to juggle multiple OS’, even though they still are (which you keep neglecting to mention). You have given no reasons. Please do so before attempting to refute my claims again.]

And you keep acting like it’s “business as usual” w/MeeGo.
And nothing management’s done could possibly set-it-back.
So I guess we’re even…

I want a detailed explanation “from management” as-to-why 2x OS’s on a more-or-less equal footing was impossible.
Not 1x erroneous fact that only 21% of Samsung business is handsets, Vs Nokia’s 50%.

[- Glad to see you secede somewhat towards the end, because it’s pretty obvious who’s right here. Again, the invitation to “go on” remains open.]

LOL secede what!?
Obvious who’s right?
LOL, righto matey.
M04R P0w3R to you.

- Of those 4 points I neglected to address, 3 were cost-cutting measures. How dare a CEO try to save money, right?

- So you admit that the UI changes delayed the N9′s release, but think it’s taken longer than need be? Are you a Nokia engineer? If not, then why do your thoughts matter?

- The N9 WAS created after the N950, it was created in response to questions regarding the quality of the hinge, as written by ArsTechnica and other sources: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/06/nokias-new-meego-based-n9-is-set-up-for-failure.ars

- “You were able to observe this 2mth ago @forum.meego?” You’re nitpicking, and presenting a strawman argument. My point is that the developer devices have been shown to have several bugs in the software. Also, is there any real merit in comparing Harmattan to Android 1.5 & iPhone OS? We have iOS5 & Android 2.3 today, and they will set consumer expectation. You can be as certain as you like about the abilities of the OS in older builds, but it’s not up to you, and you’re hardly the one who should make that call.

- Actually, I have given a reason why Nokia may not want to juggle multiple OS’, even though they still are (which you keep neglecting to mention). You have given no reasons. Please do so before attempting to refute my claims again.

- Glad to see you secede somewhat towards the end, because it’s pretty obvious who’s right here. Again, the invitation to “go on” remains open.

This claim by management was already refuted by one of Nokia’s own adaptation engineers
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/

[In addition, it’s debatable that if they had given Harmattan “a chance to prove itself” it may have been too late to enact such a radical paradigm shift.]

Not sure exactly what you mean by radical paradigm shift.
But yes, we’ll never know…

[Next 4 are pretty inconsequential.]

No they very much go to the point.
Elop has had a hand to play.
Not saying he’s the bogeyman.
Just that the decision’s he/colleagues made.
Have had a negative impact on MeeGo.
And I don’t think it had to play out exactly the way it has.

[You don’t know this, and information has recently surfaced suggesting AT&T will carry it. Don’t jump to conclusions.]

I’ll eat my hat if a carrier in the US supports it.
I know that story, came out 07/07 from iknownokia blog.
Nothing else heard since…
I hope I’m wrong though….

[Different context. The N9 was given a massive press release & presentation at Nokia Connections, the Sea Ray was shown to a small group of people and the footage was leaked. People will talk till they’re blue in the face about intended leaks but all that can ever be (without confirmation from the presenter themselves) is an inference. Coincidences do happen, and more often than people think. Again, you’re jumping to conclusions.]

Perhaps it wasn’t calculated at all.
But it hasn’t stopped most of the blogosphere speculating that it was a deliberate grab for attention over N9/MeeGo.
The harm on the ‘perception’ of MeeGo’s future becasue of it, is undeniable.

[What I will say though is that assuming the statement floating around these sites is false, it’s pretty poor decision-making skills to not respond to that.]

I’m not sure why management’s not addressed it.
It’s possible they’re simply not aware.
I can’t find the actual analysis of it now.
What he actually said was more innocuous IIRC.

[As you say yourself, this is a hallmark of Nokia. The press release for the Nokia N8 is dated April 27th 2010; the phone was released September 30th. Compared to that timeline the N9 is doing pretty well,]

Yes but it wasn’t originally due 6mth before it’s announcement.
Granted the changes to the UI delayed the N9′s release.
But I still maintain it’s taken longer then it had to.

I’ve never claimed that’s “Elop’s fault”
Although some of the things that have happened since he assumed leadership.
Prolly have inadvertently slowed it’s release, albeit minimally.

[especially considering Swipe UI only had work begun on it in late 2010 after the original UX was scrapped, as was the original hardware. That’s a much better turnaround time than you think, given Nokia’s traditional turnaround can be as high as 30 months.]

N9′s hardware was always part of the process, alongside the N950′s.
It wasn’t suddenly inserted after the N950 was dropped.
But yes, the UX change slowed things.

[Finally, the OS builds of 2 months ago were not “solid enough”, and this is obvious enough when reading through developer posts on forum.meego.com.]

You were able to observe this 2mth ago @forum.meego?
Nothing of note could’ve been garnered 2mth ago RE “harmattan”.
Only thing you would’ve been able to follow was Vanilla MeeGo.

I was able to form a “vague” picture from various mail-lists & IRC channels.
But just following harmattan in the past several wks+, it’s “very solid”.
When iOS/Droid (particularly droid) 1st come out, they were far less feature packed, & yet still ‘buggy’.

I’m certain it could’ve come out earlier than what it’s looking like.

Particularly if they’d stemmed ‘feature creep’ in Dec, & released something relatively stable as early as 6mth ago.
Tack on another 3mth+ to actually get it into people’s hands.

[Besides, believe it or not but the software has to be installed on hardware. We have no idea if the specific ideosyncracies of N9 manufacturing have affected the ability to mass-produce the product.]

This sort of thing’s usually pretty solid before mass production begins.
It needs to be…

[Samsung is much more than a handset manufacturer.
Moreover, Nokia will STILL be developing MeeGo in the future (nothing has been said to indicate otherwise), as well as supporting Symbian through to 2016 (with 12 devices [I think?] planned for release over the next year)]

I realize all that.
There needs to be much clearer indication that MeeGo’s playing more of a role than a “research platform”.

There’s no reason why Nokia couldn’t have juggled 2x OS’s.
Especially as it’d long been “planned” (before Elop) that Symbian would eventually go away.

[As I initially said (and still maintain), I will never understand people who have decided Elop is the enemy. Even putting aside the fact that ALL OF THESE DECISIONS WERE MADE BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND NOT JUST ELOP, nothing you have said is particularly damning in any way.]

Well you can disagree if you want.
But it still seems clear to me that actions taken by Elop/board/management have most definitely had an impact.

I sometimes rant & get angry, but I understand the tough decisions Elop had to make, & the basis for most of them.
But I’ll never agree it had to be handled quite the way they chose to.

Ditching Symbian, well overdue. Ditching MeeGo at the same time instead of putting WP on an equal, or slightly higher, footing in the short-term.

WTF?!
Even today there’s far too much vagueness in direction.

[You said you could “go on”, I’d like to see you do it.]

Sorry, no time to “go on”
You wouldn’t agree anyway.

Cheers.