Nokia coming back to USA on Multiple Carriers (+7m video with Stephen Elop) [#RIMacquisition?]

| November 2, 2011 | 35 Replies


Carrier partnerships should never be taken lightly in North America, especially in the US. Essentially, they can make or break you. Going against them, say, by wanting to deliver the full set of features of your product but having to rely on selling them, unsubsidised, unlocked at limited retail stores – well let’s say you’re going to have your work against you. Whilst it is true that US=/=the world and Nokia does have more to manage worldwide, the US (where seemingly innovation and  trends appear) shouldn’t be ignored.

This was one of Nokia’s main problems in the US. They had a strong presence there before, but as with a few places too, took their eyes off the proverbial ball.

Nokia has needed some strong devices in the US, strong as in Flagship strong, but the only things we really see are the cheap-ass throw aways or usability-haters (Nuron anyone?). There were some gems in E73, E71 but that was pretty much it. They never got to experience the awesomeness of the 12MP CZ + Xenon on prime time. If only they knew back in 2007 it was already possible to have video calling, 5mp camera, Flash LED and Flash Adobe, multitasking, actual GPS etc etc etc.


OK, rant over. Nokia needs to come back with force. What better way than to bring your smartphones across several carriers? This is the case, according to Bloomberg. Will we get something high end? They must do. There’s speculations that the 710 will appear. I think they also have to have a play with the Lumia 800, given the force of advertising and desirability bestowed on that device. You can safely say that has worked as places like Mashable have openly asked for it to come to the US.

Nokia will be concentrating US Smartphone efforts solely on Windows Phone, if the news we heard during the summe remains true. The expected date is 2012. Nokia are said to come with a portfolio of devices in 2012. Portfolio – that’s more than three. High end Nokia WP are also expected. Proper high end stuff. Stuff where Nokia can put the Nokia stamp. Not just in Apollo through Nokia specific software, but where they are undeniable leaders, in hardware. Perhaps we may also finally see some Nokia tablets – which Elop describes as supercharged WP Metro experience.

Check this video out:


  • Question on being interested on RIM acquisition, “We don’t comment specifically on individual targets for acquisition, but what I would say is that it is important for us to establish this whole ecosystem”
  • I’m being simple minded here, why wasn’t it just a “No” like the outright “No” on MS acquiring Nokia? Understandably it’s quite different in losing yourself to another brand, but gaining another major one…hmmm..

All is not lost in the MeeGo-Harmattan, swipe and Symbian affair. It’s no secret Elop has always talked about future disruptions from the very get go. Elop has most recently reiterated that whilst he can’t talk about it now, we’re going to see this again. Speaking with some top level Nokia execs, whilst they didn’t say anything directly, they also agreed – the effort and brilliance shown in Harmattan and Swipe isn’t going to just disappear.

Cheers Viipottaja for the tip!


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  • eddie

    i guess i won’t be getting that unlock WP after all oh craps !

    • migo

      That’s been known for a while. Sadly.

  • Arthuro_Adam

    So Harmattan won’t disappear, there will be a new version sometimes?

    • N9

      Unfortunately apparently its set for the under 100$ range were the WP simple licensing fees don’t make sense and the hardware requirements of wp don’t allow it as well.

      So in a nutshell… WP for anything slightly good hardware wise, “Maemo7” for the lower ones. thats it…

  • Dave

    Give me an E7 with WP7 on it and I’m happy. I need my slide out keyboard!

    • Hypnopottamus

      That would be AWESOME! The E7’s form factor is amazing, but Symbian sucks as a business device. WP seems to handle mail and productivity much more reliably than Symbian.

      • migo

        Err, not quite yet. WP still has some maturing to do in that department. Syncing with Outlook for instance is abysmal. Took me something like 22 hours to get it working for my girlfriend. That’s time I could have been using to sleep instead.

    • yabai.youth

      Agreed. Actually, what I really want — and was looking forward to — is a N9 with a keyboard (aka. N950). Typing long e-mails just doesn’t cut it with a touch screen keyboard. That, would be the ultimate device.

  • Viipottaja

    Jay, thanks for the mention!

    I doubt they would acquire RIM, even though it would of course give them (and by association to MS) a still massive corporate user base. But would seem like Nokia’s plate is too full to handle a major acquisition like that. I think Elop is referring to smaller players as targets of possible acquisitions.

    Btw, he again also reiterated that Nokia’s comeback in the US start is EARLY 2012! CES should be interesting!

    • migo

      A Microsoft acquisition of RIM is more feasible, but really I’d like to see QNX get a chance.

      • N9

        Agree, on all accounts.
        Specialy now that QNX supports nokia’s Qt.

        But Yeah Microsoft acquisition of RIM is more feasible, and probable…

        • migo

          I’d much rather see Qt take off than for RIM to rely on Dalvik. It’s inefficient as hell. Samsung should get on that as well for Bada.

          BTW, since Qt is completely open, is it really accurate to refer to it as Nokia’s?

  • btdt

    Will RIM start making WP7 phones??

    • Viipottaja

      Well, IF Nokia was to buy them then PERHAPS over time but NOT immediately. 🙂

  • Deep Space Bar

    elop sold nokia to America 🙁 … maps is going on every wp7 phone…..i was right this whole time

    • Gerii

      Well, they just get it without voice navigation. It’s essentially just a supercharged version of the mobile browser version for iOS, Android, QNX or whatever. Similar to how Google Maps is on Symbian and the iPhone but you just get the whole package on Android.
      The only difference is that it can probably be ported from Nokias Windows Phones to other manufacturers Windows Phones by modders/hackers.

      • don’t you find that a problem as well and i knew this was gonna happen >.> elop fully killed Nokia

        • migo

          No, he saved Nokia. Nokia’s dismissal of the American market is what let Apple come up and take the lead in global mindshare (and profit share). Had Nokia taken America more seriously, then Apple would have had a much harder uphill battle, and Nokia would have had more time to make the Maemo transition from Symbian.

          • N9

            Agree as well, But… yes But… they chose the worse partner in the world.. Microsoft collects epic fallouts in this department in the history of the segment.

          • petrol42

            Elop hasn’t saved Nokia yet since they JUST announced the Lumia 800 and 710. Only time will tell what the outcome of this partnership is.

            And why is it that Nokia seems to carry the brunt of criticism due to Apple’s onslaught? Don’t forget that along with Symbian there was Windows Phone, Palm and Blackberry.

            • migo

              Windows Mobile, not Windows Phone. Completely different OSes.

              Symbian had the lead, they dominated the market, but couldn’t do anything to stop iOS or Android. That’s why they get the brunt. Palm OS and Windows Mobile were already in 2nd and 3rd place.

  • Doffen

    Force feed WP to the Yanks! Leave the rest of the world alone…

    • Deep Space Bar


  • Nagol

    This is what Nokia’s biggest problem was…MARKETING!! If you go to every carrier in America the only Nokia phones they have is the low end cheap phones. They never manage to subsidize their phones and keep the unlock ones at the same time. Nobody knows about the E6’s, E7’s, X7’s, N8’s, because Nokia refuses to market them.

    The closest you will get from a carrier was E71, C7, or a Neuron. Nokia has got to step up their marketing ability and I just think that Elop will do that. He will produce Nokia phones where you can get them from carriers or unlocked.

    • migo

      Unlocked won’t be happening initially. They’ll need to get WP as a strong platform first, so that the carriers need Nokia more than Nokia needs the carriers.

    • petrol42

      It wasn’t marketing that prevented Nokia from making a dent in the US market. It was Nokia’s insistence of controlling certain aspects of it’s phones such as the GPS and Ovi Store. I don’t disagree that Nokia tried to control those certain aspects because this is what Apple does but Nokia didn’t have a killer phone such as the iPhone to demand control over the US carriers.

      A good example of what Nokia was up against is the Nokia Nuron available through T-Mobile here in the US. I use to use this particular phone before I got my N8. First of all, they had to change the name to a verbal name instead of keeping it’s numerical name, the Nokia 5230 because that’s how all phones are named in the US. Next is although the Nuron had a killer GPS built in, there was an app in the menu that was software for a third party GPS app that you had to pay for. Again, this was at the insistence of T-Mobile. And the last thing was the Ovi store. Most of the apps were sold by Nokia but certain things such as ringtones were sold by T-Mobile. It’s obvious that T-Mobile didn’t want to give up that revenue stream but conceded to some as they did carry the Nuron. The other carriers didn’t want to give up none of that additional revenue at all.

      The US mobile market is a hostile environment to mobile handset makers and unless the handset maker gives up all the control to the carriers, then you won’t sell your handsets in the US.

      It’s too bad Nokia didn’t have a Steve Jobs type of CEO that demanded that their software and hardware engineers develop and design the product they had in mind or else they’re FIRED!!!

  • yabai.youth

    If RIM is acquired by Nokia, I hope that means a stronger presence of Nokia in the Canadian market (RIM being a Canadian company). I’m not sure about other countries, but Blackberries are very common around where I live. Nokia could certainly used that to their advantage.

    • migo

      I have a suspicion that the reason for BlackBerries doing so well here has to do with efficient data usage (data plans are horrendously expensive here, and only a BlackBerry really works with 500MB/month) and battery life (it’s a big country, you spend much longer traveling and away from a power socket to recharge the phone).

      Battery life is something Nokia could address, and really everyone is starting to take seriously, but as far as data usage goes, I think S40 has a better shot. I’m quite looking forward to seeing one of the Ashas show up for 7-11 and Petro Can.

  • I still think smart consumers should use non subsidized GSM phones, and ignore carriers encumbered junk which ties them to one provider only.

    • migo

      That’s an option if you have multiple carriers offering you viable service. Living in Vancouver I can do that by choosing Mobilicity, but people elsewhere in Canada have only Telus or Bell (and their subsidiaries) to choose from. The larger the country, the less choice the consumer has, and the more control the carriers have. Americans are somewhat better off given the higher population density and more regional carriers to choose from, but it’s still the same deal where Verizon is the only viable option for a lot of people.

      • mark

        Can you please testify against AT&T in the cases against the aquisiton of t mobile.

        • migo

          Nope, I’m Canadian, they wouldn’t care what I have to say as it doesn’t directly affect me.

    • Johnny Tremaine

      That’s ideal, but only if you have a wide choice of compatible GSM networks to choose from.

      In the U.S. for example, we have two CDMA carriers, using different frequencies, and two different GSM carriers, that again, operate on non-compatible frequencies.

      The hope was that the transition to 4G LTE would increase compatibility among the carriers, but unfortunately, they’re once again going with different frequencies for each of their LTE networks.

      It’s all about the consumer lock-in.

      • migo

        Not really, it’s about how the spectrum auction works. If the carriers don’t have the license to work within the same blocks of spectrum, they can’t operate in the same frequency. Now it’s possible that they did it on purpose as consumer lock in benefits all the carriers, but it’s also that the government didn’t regulate the auction well enough to ensure that the frequencies would be covered by multiple carriers.

        Seems the LTE frequencies will be 700 and 1700, which means it’s not that hard to have dual band for North America.

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