To the ‘analysts’ that love to rain on the Nokia Lumia parade
News that’s exploding yesterday across the blogosphere is that Nokia+Microsoft’s attempts with the Lumia just might not work. That’s due to the amazing efforts of analysts that base the success of the Lumia on:
1) 5-6 days of sale
2) availability in 6 countries
Amazingly, many have been reporting the Forbes article verbatim, pointing out the supposed ‘dud’ that was the N8. During the first quarter that was not a dud, and for those repeating it blindly, shame on you. Those reporting that Nokia’s stock has plummeted. I’m no stock analyst but didn’t all the stock plummet in line with Nokia? RIM is like in 8B? Anyway, less of that.
Let’s look at some things in perspective again, as pointed out by another Forbes article (and from an author who’s name I instantly like already, Tero Kuittinnen) that looks at the anatomy.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2011/11/22/anatomy-of-the-nokia-downdraft/
1) Supposed quality issues. Tero notes that this has followed nearly all smartphone launches. After positive news, there’s suspicion of poor battery life. Not something I’ve encountered myself yet though it’s early days. There’s apparently no shortage of doubts regarding Nokia. That’s true. In this time, it is mostly unknown. The brand reputation has been declining since iPhone and there’s nothing that has come out since except possibly N9 and 800 that has been received quite as positively in terms of the entire experience It is going to take a while to get it into consumers minds that Nokia are once again producing some great new devices (lets not forget that Belle will also push Symbian to a place where it doesn’t look that old or decrepit, hey S^3 vanilla?). What Tero had in mind regarding doubt is the US network’s attitudes to Windows Phone but reminds us it’s hard to evaluate Q4 sales when so many more KEY operators are yet to launch the Lumia. There’s still Vodafone Spain, Hong Kong, India, Taiwan as well as the 2012 China, USA and other 30+ countries in the roster. The Lumia is a new Nokia with the most unheard of Windows Phone in a market saturated with the thought that the only things that exist is iPhone and Android.
2) Some positive things, Tero says that early days at Vodafone UK, The Nokia Lumia 800 was outselling the new Blackberry, Samsung and HTC devices. More importantly, this was stronger than ANY of the previous Nokia Symbian smartphones had managed in 2010 (he also notes 2011 though there are no new strong Symbian phones this year). This might not last, but Tero reckons it is a bona fide hit at both Orange UK, and Vodafone – two operators that were extremely cold towards Nokia’s summer Symbian launches. Own anectodal stories from Orange shops say they’ve sold out of Lumia accessories and have sold a lot of Lumias. That’s just one shop in one area of the city and nothing to go on. But still good to hear. Tero believes that Nokia pulled off the strong UK showing largely due to the unusual hardware design of the Lumia 800 – which everyone always instantly just instantly is in awe of. Something we had been expecting based on the rapturous arrival of the N9 and the praise of the brilliant hardware.
Check out below, a techblog in the UK that looks at a wide range of devices – really digging the Lumia 800.
“Nokia Lumia 800 Unboxing & First Look… the iPhone 4S is gone”
“feels like a quality piece of kit, very responsive, loving the screen, feels like such a substantial and well made mobile phone. Love it so far”
Video by davomrmac for Geekanoids
It is perhaps much too early to decide, analysts, the success of the Nokia Lumia platform based on a few short days. And if so, the surge from those days should indicate something else, no? The fact that sale have been stronger than previous Nokias that have still sold more than the entire WP in one quarter is still great, no? To comment on the success when the Lumia is but a starting point and there are higher ends coming next year? When the phone is launched in only 6 countries from less than 6 full days of sale? When India, China, USA are yet to join selling? What about discussing the quiet, poor push of WP by other manufacturers and hence the dismal performances in the last few quarters (As well as still no recognition of Windows Phone as a valid option against iPhone to which Android is now). This first launch isn’t expected to pull the same highs as the accepted brands of Android and of course the iPhone. It takes time to grow such a following. It doesn’t really help when so called analysts barely give the thing a chance based on data from just a few days (to which, even their own conclusion is questionable).
I’ll end this now as I have Uni to rush to. Tero says that RIM’s massive share in UK and decent base in Germany may be vulnerable to the still upcoming Lumia offensive – even with the bigger Nokia Lumia guns not coming till 2012. Nokia apparently does NOT need to attract consumers from Apple or Google and they might never do that. But, in the next six months, capturing old Symbian users (NOT symbian fans aware of the brilliance, just those that use those basic smartphone features and could potentially move to any platform) might and 10-30% of Blackberry users might be enough. If anyone wants numbers, let’s repeat Nokia have said they’re bringing Nokia Windows Phones in volume in 2012. 2012. They just wanted the Lumia out now to show they can get things quickly – and they did.
Shorting Nokia was a great idea last week, when the telecom sector clearly started getting wobbly. I’m not sure the early Lumia sales are as weak as bears now seem to believe.
The Lumia 800 isn’t a dud product. The design is loved. The OS has met with praises. The combination is positive. The 800 is far from perfect but the reaction from consumers has been very positive. Nokia’s efforts for this quarter rests in pushing it to people. Obviously with the initial surge it’s working. Just keep it up, PLEASE!
Source: Forbes
Cheers Joni for the tip!
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It’s stupid to compare it to N8. N8 was a hyped product which underdelivered, continuing the story of N97 which was even worse in this matter. I’m not a ‘WP fan’ at all, but reality is that Lumia is a really decent product for that price point and will certainly result in many happy consumers in the long run.
If those analysts just looked at the product and left all other bullshit behind. Most of those same people also doubted iPhone’s success saying that it’s impossible for anybody to enter this highly competitive market where Nokia is the king. They didn’t understand the product.
+1.
the ceo before elop said something about nokia is back with the n8 before quitting his job no?
haha n8 hyped? lol
the amazing everyday…..lumia 800 most preorders blabla….that phone they are trying to hype
Nokia has spent more money on the lumia 800 than than probably any nokia launch to date .
Further the lumia 800 is meant to be a “volume” device thus as a volume device it is a failure.
Jay mentions 5 or 6 days. the sad fact is no one wants the wp phone.
Symbian users have gone to Android in q3 and they didn’t wait for the lumia 800 .. Thats the cold hard truth.
The money Nokia spent on Lumia largely came from Microsoft.. they gave them 20 million to market the first batch of their wp7 devices .
- everyone is just speculating.. just wait for the figures then we can have a real talk.It took months before Samsung could come up with Galaxy SII figures. No OEM starts talking about sales figures in less than a week..
Could you please give me a link to an official Nokia statement that they received 20 mln euros on marketing WP7 BS from MS or it’s a mere speculation?
Here you are,
Microsoft is donating a massive war chest of £28m to Nokia and Samsung’s seasonal advertising campaigns in a last ditch attempt to grab UK market share for Windows Phone devices.
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/12934/Microsoft_pumps_%C2%A328m_into_Mango.aspx
it’s a mere speculation, does Nokia confirm it officially? on your link I can find only some unknown “source” mentioned.
“Jay mentions 5 or 6 days. the sad fact is no one wants the wp phone.”
Oh, so you have firm sales numbers then? What are they?
You do have numbers to back that statement up, don’t you?
So, those sales numbers? Don’t have them? So… what are you waiting for? GTFO to get them?
As N8 user, the only thing I can say about N8′s hype was the Symbian^3 and even that was not overly hyped, yet still it is one of the successful product Nokia have to date. If N8 has a better memory, it might still sit up with their recent lineup easily.
But yes I agree that it didn’t deliver as good it could be, only because of small issues here and there, delays in updates for valid reasons or not.
To WP trolls, when Symbian sells, it is “hyped” (Never mind that it was defecated on for two years by all and sundry in the blogosphere).
When WP sells, it’s the best thing since sliced bread and don’t you dare say a word.
in India the price of Lumia 800 is Rs 29000 ($556) and the price of SGS II is Rs 28500 ($546) …how can you say it reasonable…even the arc is priced at Rs 22000 ($422)
Dont show this to Jay… He will say you are trying to tarnish the image of WP7
He will go all out to prove that WP7 phones are better than SGS2 or anythng else in market.
The only fucktard trying to tarnish something here is you.
Your mom should use a condom all the time. or better off never have sex in the first place.
With that kind of language, Engadget comment section is >>>>>> that way.
No actually I can accept the SGSII is a remarkably high end phone to which Lumia 800 can’t match exactly feature for feature. Experience is another thing.
Perhaps you shouldn’t speak for me, huh?
yeah No one would buy that Lumia phone which is not a “samrtphone” but basically a overpriced feature phone with amoled display
But then iPhone is not a smartphone too.
If iPhone is a smartphone role model (and it is – iPhone has redefined the smartphone definition created once by Nokia), Lumia is the classic smartphone, because it conceptually resembles iPhone more than Android phones.
Just an another point of view…
nokia india hasnt said anything about the price of lumia800 its just people are converting $ to ruppe n telling the price ….
n secondly u r comparing cheap plastic against premium polycarbonate plastic
laggy android vs smooth WP
Newly released vs. 6 months in the market. Good comparison.
SGS2 is cheaper here as well, but that’s how it always goes. The newly launched devices are never any cheaper than the ones that have been in the market for a while.
Over here the SGS2 launched at prices as high as €650. That went down 2 months in to about €500 and now it has been steady at around €450. The 800 is now retailing at €489 at the highest and €475 at the lowest.
Whether it is reasonable or not I’d say it is at least comparable to other launch prices.
+100
In Holland the nokia lumia 800 costs E 459,50
simlock free
+1 million.
what did the SGS II __srart__ retailing at when it was first __released__?
thank you.
oops. “start”.
the N8 sold almost 4million units in 2.5months and it wasnt available everywhere on release….
I was shocked that you actually published the issue yourself. How can anyone talk about not reaching targets in such a short period of time? Gsmarena was also at forefront with the story: what a shame.
They should have sold it side by side with the N9 and see which one would sell in all Nokia’s market
The hype and availability against people not buy it at all.
After all it is not a new thing it had been on the market for a while and it does not attract buyers despite all the hype and marketing and under money deals.
It was a rejected peice of software… in this process Nokia will also get rejected.. so sad
Windows Phone 7 – Rejected by People
Meego – Rejected by Nokia
+internets, sir!
Forced competition between your two product seems to be a wise idea…
Regardless my preference (N9) I think it is good idea to keep them separated…
Huh..? How is it bad for Nokia to sell both? Whether people buy N9 or Lumia, the money comes to Nokia. And if people happen to buy N9 instead of Lumia, Nokia gets even more money as there isn’t any money going to Microsoft.
So how on earth is it bad to sell both in the same markets? Are you saying that people will somehow buy both of them if they are just sold in different markets? Of course they are not, so what possible reason is there, other than prevent N9 eating on Lumia’s sales, which doesn’t hurt Nokia (quite the opposite in fact) but Microsoft, to keep them on separated.
To me this is another good example of Flop really looking after Microsoft’s interests and not Nokia’s.
Too much fragmentation is a problem. It was a big drawback to Nokia phones when they were on top. Offering a number of phones with slight differences, particularly at the high end to get enthusiasts to buy 2 or 3 phones instead of one that does it all.
i love them analysis
they did a great job!!!
good news since n9
well you can tell the success by the carrier interest.
i’m absolutely sure that nokia windows phones will fail.
to the n8 – aha it was doing well in the first quarter? and let me guess: after elops february announcement….
Carriers seem to be interested, so your point? Also, approx 3,5mio isn’t sloppy in one quarter…
…so you think every Nokia buyer stay in touch with Tech world and listen to all the CEOs of the said brand? Most of the people I know don’t even know how to update their OS. I’m the one who told my uncle there’s an ‘Anna’ update a month after it’s released. His response: ‘What is it?’
I have 15 Logitech-branded gadgets in my house, and the only thing I heard from Logitech in this year is they’re cancelling Revue. Doesn’t affect me in the least.
The retail sellers and operators do listen and stop recommending or even selling a Symbian phone, because it’s a dying platform according to Nokia’s CEO. In fact the retailers most likely advice against buying a Symbian phone after the announcement that Flop made.
Well, I don’t honestly know how carriers in your country work, but in my country all phones are unlocked and therefore it’s up to the retailer.
Most of the sales guys here know Android, but ‘Ice Cream Sandwich’? Blank. Meego? Blank. (Even in Nokia stores) Windows Phone? Blank. iPhone? Yes, of course. iOS? What’s that? I have to tell my friends to update the damn thing into iOS 5.
My country is BB crazy country, and 99% of people I meet only takes the price and the ‘cool’ factor into consideration (Mainly camera). They never update, and the 3-days blackout frustrate them, but they don’t even consider moving from their beloved BBM.
N8 was pushed HARD in my country. There’s competition, a movie shot entirely using N8 with famous producer and director on top, Nokia even come to my campus to spread flyers and for us to play, but it doesn’t sell because it’s too damn expensive.
And beside the camera, the interface is too cluttered to navigate, the keyboard sucks for us texting crazed people, we might as well buy the cheapest Blackberry plus a decent camera.
And don’t say my country doesn’t count, because it’s one of the most populated country in the world. (Last I heard, no. 4)
No, they won’t. Sellers will recommend you buy them so that they can clear out stock without having to go to clearout prices.
What is preventing them from releasing in other countries? Or rather, what is taking them too long?
Can say carriers but Symbian phones are being released with out carriers and some with through out the world.
Did they want them sold through carriers only? I understand in the US and some parts in the west that is the only way but not everywhere.
Yes they could but it means they have to spend all their money operating cash on stocking devices not knowing its future. Better to push it slowing and if it picks up you push it to other markets
elop will stop talking!:)
keep dreaming
The analysts have always some agenda of their own, Kuittinen is one of the harshest critics towards Nokia and has been wrong so many times I lost count. So even though he can say positive things, there’s always a negative wibe on his analysis.
I can’t comment on Lumia success as there are so many other than technical aspects when a person chooses a phone. So it does not matter how good Lumia WP was, if clerks don’t sell it actively against Android phones.
The affect of blogs and tech press etc. comes with an delay, when the early adopters have gotten their device and when the tech geek of the neighborhood has accepted and recommends for example Lumia over some middle range Android. Average person doesn’t want to be first one to start using something new.
Also I’m critical to the whole “full on with WP only” strategy of Nokia, but I still hope that they can do so well they have time to do something even better in few years time – on their own.
Theres even a possibility they have place bets on other platforms and fearing the strength of Nokia coming back .. they have to say something to drive the market.. For the very first time and seeing wp7 adverts all over and it wasn’t that difficult selling my mom the idea of buying the Lumia 800 .. we went to the shop and it was all gone. only to be told to come back next week. It might not be as good as the iPhone but its going good so far.
well the motivation to buy a lumia is the xbox for free you get with it.
+1
thank u jay. honestly some of those analysists need to get a clue
am at a loss here, what exactly are we talking about? I went to the shop yesterday to get a Lumia 800 for my mom and they told me all their stock are finished and that I should come next year.. what are these damn fools analyst talking about?
C’mon that is utter BS stop that no one believes that sort of thing any more. Plus its in the exact same “personal” style so many proven Microsoft employees engadet commenters use…
if you want I could give you the name of the shop and you can go have a look for yourself. Its Phonehouse and the street is called Nieuwendijk in the center of Amsterdam.. I dare you to go have a look.. I could give you their number.. call and ask for it
+1. he is a wuss. i bet after you told him that he ran to his mom and cry.
Did they really told you to “come next year”, that would be so unprofessional, that i have a really hard time believing it is the truth.
Plus their on line store seams to have plenty.
http://www.phonehouse.nl/nokialumia/?icmp=100001_lumia
So something is not right with your story or that store is really really bad.
no sorry I meant next week .. They said the next batch will be around for the following week since their first stock has been sold out.. For all I know their frist stock might have been just have been just a couple hundreds but Lumia sales are picking up
A ok cool..
Analyzing total S^3 sales and the percent of N8 sales between them (just check reviews for popular software made by each model on Ovi Store, N8 is by far number one), I’d say N8 sold more than 6 millions. Now that number can in no way be called a dud, it’s just stupid. That is a success by any standards. Also there are lots of N8 dedicated sites, it is a “cult” device … maybe not in US or Japan, but mostly everywhere else in the world. Just check the popularity on GSMArena, it’s the no. 1 phone by interest ever: http://www.gsmarena.com/stats.php3
Yeah. N8 sold very well in Q4/2010. It had the best preorders ever in Nokia. It was sold out a lot in Q4. Practically all Symbian^3 devices sold Q4 were N8s.
“Nokia Says Preorders for N8 Smartphone Are Strongest Ever Seen”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-14/nokia-says-preorders-for-n8-smartphone-are-strongest-ever-seen.html
So in other words, Lumia 800 preorders were stronger than N8 preorders.
I don’t understand why most symbian fans wish for Nokia windows phones to have very bad sales ?
bcoz that would mean
1) Nokia goes bankrupt
or
2) Microsoft acquires nokia
because nokia sadden us, we want lumia sale sadden them in return.
If Nokia fails with Lumia or wp7 its dead..
i dont care, nokia has lost its sole
The best comment ever.
+ 9+1
they lost a sole? from what their shoe or what?
+1
Nokia is already dead inside. We’re just waiting for the shell to collapse.
It’s inevitable. We don’t want Microsoft in our phones any more than we’ve wanted during the past decade. And boy, have we NOT wanted.
And we hate Elop for
3. destroying Symbian
4. Killing N950
5. Killing Meego
6. Firing employees
7. Closing shops
Symbian was going to die.. there was talks of going android under OPK (you remember “peeing in your pants for warmth? ” That was before Elop).
Meego was dead before Elop came.. go read the fomer leader of the Meego team talking of how they antagonsed his team
Tehy had to be fired.. Company was loosing money and changing direction.. Did you know there 3x number of people working on Symbian than Windows.. Windows has over 2billion people using it and yet it has less than 1000people working on it.
Shops had to be sloe if phones are not selling
Lot of these are cost cuting measures
conpany started to loose money with elop!
how if I may ask? he spent the company’s money or what?
By destroying the sales with his Rattner moment? Elop switched an existing Symbian userbase to no userbase at all.
Nokia was raking in the money with Symbian^3 — profits in the billions (per quarter) is more than most Microsoft OEMs have ever made with phones.
+1
It’s fact Nokia lost money since Elop arrived. No matter how these people spin it’s the truth.
Microsoft got Nokia for free and lobbying with some powerful shareholders. It’s the cheapest takeover of a major tech company ever.
They were losing money even before Elop came in. True, they lost some more, but doesn’t change the fact.
Not that I like the guy… Anssi, where art thou?
no, the first quarter with losses was uner elop!
They were NOT losing money. They were making profit.
Losing marketshare does not equal losing money.
Their sales were rising.
+1000
Nokia wasn’t losing money before Flop’s lunacy. They made profit. Nokia was quite healthy financially before Flop did his thing in February. Symbian sales were doing just fine, it wasn’t dieing at all. MeeGo was killed by Flop. It wasn’t dead before him. Had Nokia chosen Vanjoki, MeeGo would be Nokia’s main smartphone platform right now. The stock price was rising as was the average selling price of phones. After Flop’s February lunacy, everything went downhill.
Know why I understood why N950 is not exist. Elop loves only himself, The McDonalds guy
sorry now I understood why +
But he was hired by Jorma Ollila to do exactly this. THIS was his accepted mission from the beginning.
No real doubt about it.
No it wasn’t. The board did hire Flop to please the markets, but taking WP7 and driving Symbian and MeeGo to death were not the plan of the board. Those were Flop’s ideas that he managed to sell to those idiots in the board. Something to do with the fact how older Finns hold foreign business and political leaders, especially those from America, in a pedestal. They are easily treated almost as some kind of gurus. And a smooth talking American can sell pretty much anything to these fools.
If it weren’t the plan of the board, he would have been fired.
Guys, the N8 sold because, and only because, of the camera on it. Rest of the hardware on that device was average to below average, even for last year.
Well, I’m still using it now (for a year already), I’m very happy with it and at the new price I just might buy another one for my wife
I’m not entirely convinced by your argument. They are still sold around the world, so..? Where does that leave you then?
It still has the best camera. The moment a phone comes on the market with a better camera than the N8, it’s done.
you are right.
It’s the camera that makes me still using the N8
Kauppalehti (a Finnish business journal) has a short news saying (very free translation): “Nokia: the Lumia 800 sales during the first week in Britain was the best ever for the company (when it comes to smartphones)”.
Some good news for a change….
It’s very rare for Nokia to comment on market news or sales numbers or anything during the quarter. The fact that they are commenting today suggests to me that they strongly disagree with the analyst estimates released yesterday.
I remember one earlier case, and that was the N900 sales numbers (when mr.Murtazin claimed that N900s sales were 100k in 5 months, while actually they were in 5 weeks).
Probably… For Conspiracy theorys… It’s a sign of Nokia’s Paint (Insert big and long MUAJAJA here)… Lets see in Jan/2012 how well or how bad the things are going
And they should, those analysts are painting a very very bleak picture. As if the WP effort already failed.
Maybe it hasn’t sold as much as Nokia would have liked or maybe it did, but Nokia’s stock getting hammered over a rumour that originated from 1 source is something Nokia shouldn’t leave unchecked.
But if that were the case, they would only be telling the truth.
Windows Phone HAS already failed. However, more often than not, it’s portrayed as a viable “third ecosystem”, despite there being nothing “third” about it. It has a ridiculously small userbase that’s shrinking every quarter, no take-off and no successful devices, even with the biggest marketing budget in the business.
Windows Phone: “eighth ecosystem”.
Windows Phone hasn’t failed. It has been very successful this far. It has gathered developer support faster in its first year than any other platform, and it has been repeatedly demonstrated for decades across multiple product categories that developer support is the one, single, key ingredient to a product’s success.
Someone wake up badly today…
There were many devices with powerful hardware, but u need something to differentiate – like a perfect camera module.
It’s more about marketing than real “differentiators”, tbh.
a own os!
Nobody wants Nokia running its own OS. They’ve already seen Symbian.
I think the 800 is more of a slow-burner than people are giving it credit for. People are slow to try new things…
BUT – when i saw ‘the new nokia’, EVERYONE i have spoken to has known exactly what it is ‘oh, the new Windows Phone?’ and everyone has wanted to see it. Nokia haven’t had this type of saturation before, and whatever the performance of the 800, it is fertile ground for more product releases.
I teach in a High School and I will say that my teenagers have been very very excited by it indeed, although none of them can afford to buy one. Perhaps Nokia’s targeted marketing (X factor et al) will pay off at Christmas when the parents’ credit cards come out to play? :p
When i *say* ‘the New Nokia’, sorry – as in, when people ask me what my new phone is. Sorry for the confusion.
The Lumia surely isn´t a bad phone for the average standard user who just wants to make phone calls, take a few photographs or uses facebook or other networks frequently.
But if one takes a look at the competition (SGSII for under 400(!) bucks without contract, Galaxy Nexus on the doorstep and the bunch of HTC phones, Apples 4S)´the Lumia won´t be able to compete against these phones that already have created a buzz.
Asking friends and colleagues around, only one has heard about the Lumia – and dislikes it. People around me are buying the droids and Iphones. Nokia and it´s Lumia still are flying under the people´s radar. The only chance to manage a turnaround is a massive ad campaign…
Forgot to mention that this analyst´s opinion could become true if Nokia doesn´t manage to catch up quickly. Right now I think it´s too early to make such assumptions but the shopping time before christmas will show the truth.
I’ve had iphones and a Galaxy S and an Android tablet and I’m buying a Lumia 800, I don’t care about the “functions” of Android phones anymore when for Android I can’t get those “functions” until either rooting/flashing it’s a f**king PIA. I also have to look at how many “apps” I had to install to get basic functionality on Android and think it’s all pointless. Case in point, I had to buy PowerAmp and iSyncr because the standard Android music player is crap and it won’t do wireless sync of music until I buy some apps (don’t even mention the POS that is doubletwist), which WP7 did years ago and iOS does out of the box now.
Lumia 800 with WP7.5 is a great product, apps and customization on Android is an overhyped feature that only causes pain. I’m a geek but I also want shit that just works now and then, and Android has disappointed me more times than imagine and you can’t pay me to buy another Android phone.
I can imagine that you´ve dived deeper into the matter than the “ordinary” customer. But as I´ve mentioned before my friends/colleagues (which are lightyears away from flashing mobile phone roms, aren´t buying other phones than iOS/droid…-_-
I´ve played with the SGSII for some time, and apart from the hw look and feel the droid os looked “overloaded”. There is a big plus for the winphone os (apart from the lack of colours, wallpapers, overall customization).
I’m a developer and Lumia 800 seems to be an ideal phone for me. But I’m going to wait for Lumia 900. I guess it will be even more ideal.
I’ve just bought a lumia.
feel sorry for you
+1
And get ready to pay for everything now… MS will bleed you to death lol
two retards on a tree k.i.s.s.i.n.g. =)
What does that make you?
A fetishist voyeur?
Why? If the guy likes it, why should you care. If he hates it and says so, then you can feel sorry for him.
+11
But he didn’t say he liked it either. He just said he bought one so all we can do is feel sorry for his mistake.
Why is it a mistake? Because you said so? It’s only a mistake if HE says it was. To everyone else it’s just a guy buying a phone. PERIOD.
They’re not smart enough to understand this.
Good job..
I hope Stephen Elop will die a painful death for all his crimes!
I think you have soem growing up to do, son. Preferrably away from here.
Yeah, I’m wondering if there’s a lot of European children posting here, or if Europeans are just this immature.
I will slash you with a light sabre if you were close to me lol
Taking things a little too personally aren’t we? Out of curiosity, what exactly are these “crimes?”
fail nokiaa wp!!!!
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800_sales_fail_to_meet_targets-news-3411.php
this is better news
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nokia-lumia-800-is-off-to-excellent-start-in-uk-2011-11-23
Better indeed!
Just for the haters..
Nokia’s share are up by 2% today .. Marketwatch reports that Nokia lumia 800 is off to a very good start . sales figues as the norm dictates will be releast at the end of the quarter.
“Based on earliest data, the sales start of the Lumia 800 is the best ever first week of Nokia smart phone sales in the U.K. in recent history,” Nokia spokesman James Etheridge said.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/NOK?link=MW_story_quote
Cold shower on your party !!
haha the meego troll got owned
““Based on earliest data, the sales start of the Lumia 800 is the best ever first week of Nokia smart phone sales in the U.K. in recent history,””
If that is the only positive thing they could say about Lumia sales, then Nokia is in big, big trouble.
Why? In the UK you get a free Xbox with the Lumia.. So if the phone is only selling well there, it is only selling because of the Xbox. And in “recent history” is exactly the type of undefined answer that would be given if the sales were poor. (In other words what is “recent history”?) AND that achievement in itself is pretty bad, because in “recent history” Nokia’s sales in the UK have been very bad. And how much more did Lumia sell? (they don’t say)
So in short; They gave an undefined time, an undefined amount for one country, where the Lumia comes with an Xbox.
Again, if that is the best they could come up with, Nokia is in deep trouble.
(forgive me for being so negative, but this is what I honestly think)
PS. The shares dropped like 12% before the 2% rise.
Which according to Marketwatch is due to unfounded speculations like the Forbes .. since Nokia came up for the clarification its picking up
The share dropped another ~2% today, so you’ve got a funny meaning for “picking up”.
to begin with not everyone is qualified for the xbox, its only on one network (Orange) and you have to be extending your contract to be be able to qualify for it . Samsung is also giving away a gift voucher for the new Galaxy Nexus..
I think he used recent history so as not to give anyone clear comparison point until the actual figures are out.. but by every means its sold better than the n8 which is a good sign !
‘I will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?’
That whole Xbox deal was only on Orange no other carrier had that deal. Apart from that the offer was only possible for existing Orange customers that were also due for an upgrade.
http://shop.orange.co.uk/content/doc/christmas_2011/Xbox_360_Offer-TCs.pdf
I doubt that has had such a significant effect on UK wide sales. The offer was only available to a small group of people.
Thanks for pointing that out, I didn’t know that.
I still think it had some effect..but I don’t know the numbers.
no. your point totally failed.
They only come with figure quarterly, so you didn’t expect getting a sales figure right?
Why couldn’t they give it? I mean, their shares and reputation is burning because of the speculation.
You think they wouldn’t tell the sales, if they were good? I personally don’t think so.
They never released figures unless its a quarter. that’s what all the OEMS do.. They have to release it to satisfy some troll? Now the shares are growing up today upon this news.
You think of me as a troll? (just asking)
I mean those asking for sales figures when they know the usual tradition for Nokia and every other company is that sales figures are released in their quarterlies.. more so when its less than a week since the thing was launched . It took Google a whole year to say something about android tablet figures..
Yes.
BellGo…You probably don’t think that the N9 sales are good either, do you?
You’re ridiculous, and so is anyone else, that expects a company to give exact sales figures 8 days after a product is released. The only company that has done that recently is Apple with the ip4s.
Even when Lumia 800 sales are released for Q4, just keep in mind that the device was released on Nov 16th, not at the beginning of Q4. And also keep in mind that the device was only released in a few countries, with a siloed rollout.
“Why? In the UK you get a free Xbox with the Lumia..”
With Orange. Not with Vodafone where it also appears to be doing rather well.
Want to try again?
+1
It really doesn’t look good for WP7. Which is nice.
The faster it dies the better. That way Flop will be out faster and Nokia can go back to making great phones with great OS’s. And stay away from censorship loving anti-freedom companies like Microsoft and Apple.
No, stock is going down
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NOK
-2.34%
So in effect, it was just some speculatory rise, then it evened out again to what it was.
one word that is associated with Nokia is
FAILURE
There is A spec war going on between android OEMs. Its starting to look ridiculous. Quad-core chips are comkng next year when android is not even optimized for dual core. This leads to geeks comparing phones across different platforms and demanding for outrageous specs that are neither supported nor fully utilized.
Most Non geek customers buy phones because of hype,
Marketing, and cool factor. This is the reason why 90 percent of the people I was training with last week had IPhones.
Nokia Already satisfied the cool factor in lumia, they just need to market the hell out of it and make it a household name to be successful.
This is a very very good comment.
To a certain extent, I agree. Marketing is key to selling absolutely everything these days. Even if a product is sub-par and of bad quality, if the marketing is handled right, you’re looking at a winner.
The change from Symbian to WP however is rather drastic. Do I see former Symbian users switching to WP overnight? No. Perhaps some in the younger generation are more willing to try new things, though.
Symbian users are waiting to get away from Nokia. Going for a market that doesn’t have any bad experience with them, or is just used to a dumbphone and they figure it’s time to finally try one of these smartphone things out – that’s a great idea.
Lumia 800 and WP7 are products that everyone loves, praises but no one buys.
It is a dud.
everyone? you like them too?
awwwwww i knew it would eventually grow on you. =)
now you have something other than symbian to like, then hate, then feel betrayed about.
“Lumia 800 and WP7 are products that everyone loves, praises”
….Code3rror. November 23, 2011 at 1:17 pm
No one buys. Sold out = no one buys. I like your dictionary. Is it the same one when a woman says “No nothing’s wrong” and actually you’re in deep shit?
Tiny shipments to generate unfounded hype and desiribility. Predicted sales of just 500000 on the Christmas quarter are ridiculously, unbelievably bad, and there’s no talking around that, if true.
And think about it: even the absolute upper range of estimates, around 2 million, would be a huge failure still — it’s a massive drop from the 4 million of the “undesirable” Symbian^3, even when the market size continues to explode.
And there’re no excuses. People just don’t want Windows in their phones (never really wanted, either, where Nokia was strong). It’s futile trying to fight the current: Nokia should try to offer what the general public wants; whatever that is, it’s NOT Windows Phone.
Predicted with Google Trends. When did Lumia even surface as a name the first time?