European carriers cold to Nokia Lumia? Demand in USA? (WP at 4.95% in Finland says Statcounter)

| April 17, 2012 | 82 Replies

 

 

Reuters via Engadget reports that European carriers are not too pleased with the current Lumia line’s performance.

Apparently one of the unnamed executives of a European carrier was complaining that “no one comes into the store and asks for a Windows Phone”. I wonder how many people come in specifically to ask for the T-Mobile G1 just a few months after it was launched.

Reuters adds:

Sceptics among operators say the sleek, neon-coloured phones are overpriced for what is not an innovative product, cite a lack of marketing dollars put behind the phones, and image problems caused by glitches in the battery and software of the early models.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/17/uk-nokia-telcos-idUKBRE83G08Z20120417

Over priced? Wasn’t everyone complaining about how cheap Nokia were selling Lumia for? Do people actually look to see how much the phone is and what it offers against the competition? I would agree it isn’t pushing any current boundaries on specifications. But I think it is still priced quite adequately for a handset that performs very well.

Engadget points out that the opposite is claimed in the US:

AT&T claims to be having a different experience in the U.S., having gone to unusual lengths to market the Lumia 900 (even if that recent Time Square fandango was all Nokia) and now seeing it sell out in “many stores.”

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/european-carriers-turn-on-nokia-and-its-lumia-phones/

This news ripples from Nokia’s own statements, with Q1 warnings for the upcoming report in a couple of dates.

According to statcounter, although very slowly, the market share for WP is increasing. In the past 6 months. It is actually visible in this graph instead of ‘other’

  • From 0.55 in October.
  • November, 0.55
  • Nokia arrival in those 6 initial countries (+other WP), 1 month in, 0.62%
  • January 2012, 0.69% (0.62% UK, 0.94% France, 1.2% Italy, 1.43% Germany)
  • February 2012, 0.83% (0.67% UK, 0.99% France, 1.22% Italy, 1.6% Germany )
  • March 2012, 0.99%. (0.78%UK, 1.09% France, 1.34% Italy, 1.58% Germany)

Could we say that Nokia’s entry to Windows Phone is at least getting it some momentum? It is very small. Windows Phone has been around for a year, but Nokia has only had 6 months to have a go at it.

Let’s look at Android. HTC G1, from October 2008. It was quite a decent phone at the time and perhaps had what it took to begin rivalling Symbian phones of the day.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-eu-monthly-200812-201204

 

Android took time to start too, and the competition it was entering is not as tough as it is now.

 

We can only hope all would adopt Lumia like Finland, alas, not quite just yet.

Europe seems to have been going cold to Nokias for a while. Just a check at the main 4, from the earliest period until the end of 2010.

Any notable difference in trajectory?

 

Source: Reuters via engadget

Cheers everyone who sent this in.

Now back to uni work :/

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  • Janne

    Well, now this is posted in five or six topics here today. :)

    Enough naysayers?

    Anyway, for anyone really wanting to discuss it, one more time the link where it was first posted 12 hours ago and discussed all day:

    http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/16/nokia-comments-on-moodys-credit-rating-announcement/#comments

    • Jay Montano

      It got stuck in the drafts even though I pressed publish. Because I’m snowed under, I had to go straight back to work (normally I would check and see it didn’t get published, and click publish again).

      Anyway, just taking a quick break and then delving back to uni work.

      Hope everyone can continue behaving themselves in the comments :). It doesn’t matter if you disagree – just stay civil and respectful of each other. Both parties. There is no need for insults, or trying to be inflammatory to others.

      :)

      • http://www.twitter.com/KaizerAllen Kaizer Allen

        Same topic with Ali’s post, but this one’s more in-depth. Don’t delete this post! :-)

  • me

    Price is a relative thing — especially, when should one consider something overpriced or not.

    Investors interested in Nokia’s future are not too happy seeing that Nokia’s Lumia — the one thing Nokia has sacrificed EVERYTHING for — can only sell so little for mid-range prices, yet carriers are not interested in trying to push models the general public do not want; especially if they have few selling points (price not being one of them, as they’re not the cheapest around).

    And no, we *do not* and *should not* all hope for Lumia’s to take off: the mobile business needs NONE of the convicted monopolist’s ploys, and generally Windows Phone is not much of a loss anyway (it’s high point being “tiles”, which are worse widgets than widgets, and worse icons than icons — but hey, at least you can SEE HALF OF A TITLE OF AN ENTIRELY RANDOM NEWS ARTICLE IN THE BBC TILE, but don’t mess around or you’ll miss that too.)

    • me

      Oh, and one more point on the price issue: carriers don’t generally care what’s going to happen to a manufacturer like Nokia, but what they would like to have is a desperate Nokia pricing it’s models aggressively, because carriers *love cheap phones*. Repeat after me: they love cheap phones.

  • werit

    yeaaa and Nokia N9 is dead but people still want it think about it, even carriers say so.

    • Jari

      N9 would have been the phone Nokia could have succeeded.. It still the most vievew phone in GSM arena with more than 50 000 daily hits. RIP Nokia. MS Lumia line will never save Nokias future. N9/some ndroid phones and Meltemi.. maybe a phone or two with MS OS.. Sad to see Nokia dying :-( Gonna support Nokia and will buy the 808 Pureview. I pre-ordered my N9 64Gb and spent 699 Euros.. Money well spend, wd pay another 700 euros to have Nokias best phone ever.. The price of N9 64gb is 449Euros here in Finland nowadays.. Bargain price for the best Nokia phone ever made..

      • JGsmartypants

        I own an N9 and I can’t help but disagree. It sits in my drawer while I use my Lumia 800 as my daily phone. The N9 is laggy (even with PR 1.2), and the interface is unremarkable. Swipe is nice but far from a game-changer some people seem to wish it to be.

        (is Windows Phone any more of a game-changing UI? Not really, but it doesn’t matter. Elop was right when he pointed out the obvious: it’s not all about devices now; it’s about ecosystems. WP’s isn’t great but it sure is better than MeeGo’s)

        If Nokia came out with MeeGo 2 years earlier it would have been great. But it’s a good product that is too late.

        People need to learn more about how companies work and how every additional OS they were to support dilutes focus and quality. It’s much harder for Nokia to add support for Android devices than just downloading the source code from Google and putting it on the phones…

        • hexpoll

          Well, I’ve got to say that I went and looked at a 900 today, and was not impressed. I’ve enjoyed my N9 quite a lot, although I miss the HDMI, camera, and loud speaker of the N8.

          Supporting Android through Qt would have been much better than Windows phone. In addition to that, Nokia could have taken it straight up like Amazon did. They would have been big enough to attract the apps onto their own store, and they have a mapping service equal to Google’s.

          PLUS, if they pushed Qt, they could reinforce their entire ecosystem at the same time.

        • Shaun

          I own both too. The 800 sat in a drawer for ages then I gave it to one of the kids. I love the N9 UI. There’s too much scrolling needed in WP, lists are annoying and there’s no SIP support, which is essential for me.

        • Saul

          You need to work at ecosystems before they become anything.
          You don’t drop them before even the 1st 2x devices are out.
          And then dramatically reduce the size of the team working on the OS for those devices.
          So that they can no longer fix the 1st device, & can no longer ship both up to 1Q earlier.*
          And have a final (very impressive) maemo6x device shipping by Q1.
          I had no problem with bringing WP on-board to.
          It just didn’t have to totally kill nokia’s own smartphone OS ambitions.

          *N950 could’ve been out slightly b4 N9, or at the same time.
          N9 on it’s own could’ve been out considerably earlier, see konttori’s hints in his blog. With the N950 on board that would’ve lengthened delivery, but not if the team hadn’t shrunk markedly.

    • http://stubborndev.wordpress.com Oslik

      No, I’m afraid. Carriers want droids. They sell brands and there are just two sellable brands today… You know…

  • Martin

    I’d happily ask the carrier for an n9 on contract. But i know it would be pointless :-(

  • HappyN9User

    If you take the data for the UK, you can see that the changes for different OS are (7-day moving averages):

    iOS 0%
    Blackberry -1%
    Android +4%
    Symbian -21%
    WP +41%

    • HappyN9User

      Between 1.1.2012 and 17.4.2012, that is.

  • zuus

    Nokia can never succeed with WP worldwide. Given that almost everyone used to be a Symbian user, they will go to the OS that is the most similar in that regard and it is Android.

    iOS is the top end of the market. WP is in this category but it does nothing different from iOS or Android to penetrate the market. The only reason it got this far is Nokia, but it will flounder.

    In NA or Europe, they may have success. But in Asia (India, China and ME) they will lose and they are. They should have gone Meego in Asia with WP in other markets under a dual distribution strategy. They are screwing themselves.

    • N9

      Yeap, android or maemo are a much better for asian markets.

      • http://c n8thegreat

        Thank you for all the graphs, thank you so much!

        So all the haters and naysayers, let’s use a time machine and travel back in time to 2008 and 2009, so we can all post how Google is doomed, how Android is going nowhere. Just look how LONG it took for Android to gain acceptance.

        • dss

          The thing is, when Android entered the market, Nokia/Symbian was already a mess, and they ZERO presence in the North American market.. so it was kind of like open season for Google/Android.

          Now, Nokia/WP7 has to fight with two OS-es that are already established, and on the rise..

          • http://f n8thegreat

            So you think the smartphone market is mature already?

            Yes it’s harder for Nokia and Microsoft now than it was for Android back then, but the smartphone market still has tons of room to grow. A huge amount of people still use basic phones, and more and more of those will continue to upgrade to smartphones in the future. Nokia has a big opportunity to get those people into WP phones.

          • migo

            BlackBerry wasn’t a mess yet though. Up to BBOS5 it was still stable, had a strong userbase and lock in with BBM (WhatsApp hadn’t taken off yet). Windows Phone going in against iOS and Android is like Android going in against iOS and BlackBerry.

    • http://c n8thegreat

      Are you forgetting Meltemi? What about Nokia’s ability to make really cheap WP phones in the future? Are you being ignorant on purpose, or just accidently?

      Nokia knows what it has to do in Asian markets.

      • zuus

        please explain to me how you envision seeing a 3 inch or 3.2 inch screen with giant tiles on it?

        Meltemi is for the low end. I believe Maemo 6x would have had a much better impact at all price levels. The whole UI of WP needs a large screen.

        • http://c n8thegreat

          Why do you think the tiles will always be giant? On such a small screen, don’t you think Nokia and Microsoft would figure out a way to make it work … such as smaller tiles? WP8 is supposed to bring different sized tiles, if I’m not mistaken.

          Android on low end devices is slow, very laggy, and some apps won’t run.

          Yes, Meltemi is for the low end, which is what the majority of phone sales are in Asia. Mid and high end, WP may have a chance if they add features like BT file transfer, microSD support, and other similar Symbian features.

          • Doffen

            I am afraid that MS will not allow these basic features. The carriers may loose a little data traffic, people may use the BT transfere or mass storage mode to bypass alle the restrictions and gateways that the big US corporations are som endeared to etc. etc. WP may be great for some US/ western europe users but at present at least it is to closed for many other markeds.

            • migo

              Yeah, microSD won’t happen, too much of a piracy risk. Even ICS is going the direction of making microSD less plug and play than it used to be.

              WiFi file transfer would make more sense than BT really, particularly when it comes to supporting DLNA features. If they get that going, then people asking for BT file transfer are just complaining about niggling details, doing it with WiFi is better.

              The biggest thing MS really needs to solve is the need for Zune. iOS is finally getting rid of the need for iTunes by replacing it with iCloud. MS needs to get OTA SW updates that can do an in place install like Symbian has had going for a while. So a WP user can go to an internet cafe, use wireless and perform a software upgrade there.

              • http://f n8thegreat

                Word is that WP8 is supposed to stop relying on Zune. We can only hope that WP8 gets iCloud-like ability.

                • noki

                  iCloud-like ??? not USB on the go, not BT file transfer?? iCloud???
                  do you realize that vast percentage of this phone will be sold to people without a data plan???

          • Beelzebozo

            “Mid and high end, WP may have a chance if they add features like BT file transfer, microSD support, and other similar Symbian features.”

            MeeGo has those already. Too bad the insane CEO destroyed the great Asian market strategy built around MeeGo. They had China Mobile, world’s biggest carrier, as a partner to bring MeeGo to their customers.

            • http://f n8thegreat

              Too little, too late. OPK destroyed Maemo’s chances years ago by focusing so much on Symbian instead.

        • deep space bar

          and that’s the HUGE PROBLEM WITH WINDOWS…..their stupid tile(metroUI) fucks everything up so the phones can’t get smaller than 3.7 inches

          see how sony has those smaller phones and same with other small companies they can make that shit cheap

          and also i remember on one of the articles stating Nokia will have too go back with Symbian and meego since WP7 is not theirs so they are not generating much of of all the fees going to microsoft

          s40 isn’t selling well too

          and Meego/Maemo 5/6 is still their
          and same with symbian

          • http://c n8thegreat

            There were leaked slides a few months ago from Microsoft or Nokia showing tiny prototype WP devices. Clearly you’re wrong. It seems that development of WP devices smaller than 3.7″ is in process.

            Nokia knows they need something smaller and cheaper than the 610.

          • migo

            The LG Quantum has a 3.5″ screen, and there’s nothing stopping the UI from working on a 3.2″ or 3″ screen, in fact it scales better to small screens than any other UI.

            The Xperia X10 Mini barely works as a smartphone. They can make a tiny phone, but it’s not like it’s any good.

        • migo

          The tiles wouldn’t be giant, they’d be smaller, but would still be big enough to interact with. The big problem with touch screens was the UI elements were too small and required a stylus (which everyone eventually lost). Apple fixed this with the larger block like UI elements, and Slide to Unlock shows they were originally working with a resistive touch screen instead of a capacitive one. WP on a 3.2″ screen would work just fine, but the question is does anyone make an 800×480 screen at less than 3.5″?

          • Shaun

            I would imagine a sub 3.5″ 800×480 screen might also be MORE expensive than a larger one. They’ve got to cram the same number of elements into a smaller space.

      • abcs

        Plese, Meltemi is targeted for the low end devices. What about those of us who have been buying high end Nokia phones all the while? A 256RAM feature phone or similar will not interest us.
        The Symbian users from Asia, majority will (if they have not already) move over to Android after 808 Pureview

        • keizka

          Khrm… 256mb was Nokia hi-end until 2nd gen sym3 and N9… Remember E7? N900?

    • migo

      Symbian is more similar to a J2ME OS, something like Brew, than it is to android, at least pre Symbian^3. S60v5 looks something more like the LG Xenon than any version of Android.

      To the hardcore users of Symbian, yeah – if I still needed VOIP then Android would be my followup to Symbian, but that familiarity doesn’t apply to the majority of Symbian users – who quite frankly don’t even know they’re using Symbian and don’t realise that it’s a smartphone.

    • Saul

      sub.

  • Lax

    Guys dont worry, by the time windows 8 gets into the market and blows every once mind people will start buying win phone like hot dogs. I just hope they remove the restriction it has before then. Samsung has foreseen this and thats why the are now taking win phone seriously. But nokia has taken the lead and will rule win phone 8. Nokia rocks!

    • kakadu

      stupid

      • Lax

        i think ur name is more stupid than my or any other comment here, Punk

  • chfyfx

    When i read this crap, my reaction was the same.

    I was in a bank talking to a bank teller during lunch. my wife called, then i picked up her call with my Cyan L900…

    The teller was like: omg, that is beautiful, which phone is it? is that a blue case?

    Later, i told her that the screen is unreally visible under the sun and it offers offline voice guided GPS.

    Again, she was like: really, gosh, i wish i have GPS where i do not have service, coz i go to the mountains a lot. why i never heard such phone?

    Here you go. A typical blind market who only knows so little.

    So, Nokia, bring on your war face and market the crap out of this thing. The lumia 900 is just too sexy to resist.

    I wonder what Apple would do when they have CBD or Offline GPS Navigation… Can you guys imagining??? I met an AT&T rep who do not even know what CBD stands for.

    Marketing, marketing, marketing…

    • dss

      Ya.. that work here in the US, there are still a lot of people out there with old smartphones, or no smartphones at all.

      Marketing helps big time, no question.

      • Beelzebozo

        Over billion dollars used to market WP. How much is enough to make a difference? 2 billion? 10? 20 billion? They are putting so much money on marketing, that they might as well give people phones for free and get a bigger market share than they are getting with their current marketing fiasco.

        • Grendell

          and guess what?
          Elop’s new four point strategy to Nokia’s problems:
          1)Add more Lumia Models
          2)Bring it to more countries
          3)”another round of advertising”
          4) Add to Lumia’s feature set, but not to Symbian levels, only what Microsoft will allow.

          They’re trying to go for the iphone head to head, sacrificing a lot of things that helped differentiate them opting for differentiation via price points instead. At what point do we all agree that this exercise is futile and Quixotic?

    • migo

      Funny thing, I called my brother a couple days ago, he answers after almost a dozen rings and tells me he couldn’t see the answer UI element on his screen in the sunlight, and he’s going to have to map it to one of the hardware keys. He has an LG Optimus One. I’ll be giving him my Lumia 710 when Nokia comes out with the next phone I like.

      Sunlight visibility is a huge deal.

  • http://stubborndev.wordpress.com Oslik

    To be honest, Lumias are still, after three months, VERY expensive in my country, Czech Republic.

    (Off topic note to Jay: please, please, please, please, please… :-)

    • migo

      What phones are cheap in your country?

  • Ammad

    “I met an AT&T rep who do not even know what CBD stands for”

    Spot on!

    I’m in the UK and the shop Reps really have not much clue on what these specific features and technologies are.

    They just sell thier iphones and Droids like its the only thing in the shop. and people buy thier iphones and droids like its the only thing in the shop.

    I blame this “Rep Culture” we have as in General, i dont walk into a clothes shop and some “rep” tells me to buy this new top because its appreently good for me, no,
    so why can’t we allow people to make up thier own decisions, by presenting them with a clear range of choices.

    #rant at lazy phone reps

    • Viipottaja

      One AT&T rep insisted the L900 does not have visual voice mail.

      Another said he was surprised by how much interest and calls they had had on the L900, but that he himself preferred BB and iPhone since he “did not like Windows when he had it before”. Turns out he was talking about WM and had not even tried WP…

      ARRGGHH… some more training please. :) On the other hand, a few other reps seemed quite knowledgeable and were using their L900s and said they liked it a lot. Its a mixed back, really.

    • migo

      Nokia shouldn’t call it ClearBlack – they should take a cue from Motion Computing and use something similar to their “View Anywhere” moniker.

  • http://adit38.wordpress.com adit38

    they just want nokia drop the price of lumia for them (not for the consumer)

  • migo

    Microsoft needs to get their regional clusterfuck solved for this. The IE9 gallery showed hardly any search engines for Canadian users (and MS even code-names Windows versions after Canadian landmarks). IE10 has that fixed, but there are tons of other areas where regional differences crop up. Nokia can’t do the same kind of push in Europe as America until MS has the same level of experience for European users as American users.

  • inept

    I finally had the chance to hold and use a L900 this week and I was not surprised to find it rather unremarkable. It’s a Windows Phone like any other.

    The one thing that I really took away, though, was shock at its outrageous size. My Galaxy SII has the same 4.3″ screen, yet it is dwarfed by the L900. The Lumia is wider, taller and thicker. The screen to device ratio on the L900 is much smaller than most competing devices and it looks strange to me.

    It’s just way too much bezel area. The sharp corners make it look and feel still larger than it actually is, just adding to the over-sized bezel. The sharp edges also made it unpocketable from my perspective.

    The L800 and N9 design is just brilliant but something is lost when it’s exploded to this size.

    As to the sales, Rogers (in Canada) has substantially sold out of this device as well, from what I have gathered at 3-4 locations where I asked. You can’t find it in store. Unfortunately, the representatives at 2 of those stores informed me that they only had a few units (per store). Sell out? Yes. Substantial quantities? Not in Canada.

    I’ll wait until Apollo to see whether Nokia can do anything interesting with WP7. For now, it’s still a write-off for me.

    • Keith

      I had played with the 800 before and it is gorgeous though too small for me. I saw my first Lumia 900 at a client site I was at today–an employee (with Rogers) had one and showed it to me. We both agree that we liked the flush design of the 800 better but the 900 is a way better phone overall and it is still an awesome beauty also, even if not quite as stellar as the 800 in design. He just switched from Android and is very happy so far. Now if only I could get an unbranded, unlocked 900.

  • Luisito

    MMM… wait for Q2/Q3/Q4 if salles number doesn’t get up, them we can’t say googbye to Nokia, there will be people that like the Windows Phone/iOS way and there will be people that like the Android way… good numbers for Q2 should be 5-6 millions Lumias sold (unfortunatelly symbian is lost, the DOA moniquer has done a damage that aparently nobody can repair) Q3 10-12 Millions and Q4 15+ millions units, and as a lot of people have point in other post, changing direction at this point will crush Nokia.

    PD.: I HATE Windows Phone (at least the actual incarnation of it, the Apple aproach, like all we’re morons), lets see what have WinPho8 (never ever confuse it with Windows 8 they’re separate and really different animals) to offer, if it finally get a real multitasking (not WP7/iOS aren’t reals multitasker, and Android is a mess in that deparment) and most of those features present in Symbian (USB OTG co-processor capable -think 808-, file managing on device, no need of zune for managing simple things like music, photos and videos, full easy BT protocol)

    • manu

      that is never gonna happen.
      Maybe if windows 8 is really good they can sell 4-5 million lumia’s in Q4 maximum.

    • migo

      We saw 1 million in Q4 11, 2 million in Q1 12, so Q2 12 I think 4 million would be good. 5-6 million would be awesome at this rate. If they can double each quarter, that would be ideal, but even a steady increase would be good.

      • Beelzebozo

        “We saw 1 million in Q4 11″

        No we actually didn’t. Nokia counted until January 26 to get the number above 1 million.

        4 million, which they won’t get, is still bad. Lumia or at least WP should be selling 10+ million per quarter by now. And ultimately at least 25 million/quarter so that they would be somewhere around Symbian’s sales numbers. Q3 and Q4 will be very difficult for WP. That’s when they have to compete with the new Galaxy and iPhone. And there’s no way Lumias can compete with them.

        Nokia switched over 100 million/year Symbian sales to 10 million/year WP sales. Brilliant business move by Elop to save Nokia. At least Elop doesn’t have to worry how to use all that profit coming the WP strategy. :D

        • kakadu

          You are right.

        • migo

          We’ve already addressed many times why anyone claiming that they counted up to January 26 is mentally deficient. Q4 11 is Q4 11, which is up until Dec 31, 2011, not any date later than that.

  • JGsmartypants

    That’s weird, I was under the impression that Symbian was awesome and growing and only declined once that evil Elop brutally murdered it. And yet these charts seem to show that it was in decline for years…hmm…

    • Doffen

      THe marked share of Symbian was close to 70%. It is difficult to increase the market share from such number. The number of Symbian phones sold was actually increasing until Elop’s death sentence on the OS.

      • migo

        No, Symbian phones shipped were going up, sold weren’t.

        • yasu

          “No, Symbian phones shipped were going up, sold weren’t.”

          Please, share your figures.

          • migo

            Just looking at all the unsold 5230s still on the shelves. Clearly the number Nokia shipped wasn’t the same as the number consumers actually bought.

            • yasu

              You said : “No, Symbian phones shipped were going up, sold weren’t.”

              Once again with feeling this time : please, with sugar on top, share your figures.

              • Shaun

                He’s right although they did eventually sell. Nokia stuffed the sales channels full of handsets toward the end of 2010 even though they weren’t selling at retail.

                This would have mostly worked but for Feb 11th when Nokia announced Symbian as dead. The carriers with warehouses full of old Symbian handsets then sold off that inventory and didn’t restock with more.

                Q2/3 2011, you had Nokia almost begging carriers to restock and nobody biting because they knew Lumias were due Q4. Shipments (not just sales) dropped dramatically.

                Q4 was ok-ish with a slight bounce back due to the N9 and Lumias but then Q1 2012 is a disaster due to plummeting Symbian sales, the end of N9 manufacture and only 2 million Lumias.

                It’s all in Nokia’s quarterly statements.

                • yasu

                  “He’s right although they did eventually sell. Nokia stuffed the sales channels full of handsets toward the end of 2010 even though they weren’t selling at retail.”

                  So post the sales figures.

                  • Shaun

                    Nobody can post sales figures except Nokia. They aren’t available, just shipments.

                    What is available however is Nokia’s statements about channel inventory being reduced and that’s because after stuffing the channels (ie. shipping but not selling) they shipped less and sold the existing inventory.

  • weirdfisher

    That’s why Nokia need to build some strong Android Devices before establishing their Windows Phone line up. They have to gain back their reputation as a Smartphone manufacturer.

    Most people lack confidence on Nokia devices because ya know, those N97s really scared people away from Nokia. They think Nokia sucks at making touch screen devices.

    Think about samsung. They made shitty touch screen phones back to the 2009 days(e.g. S8000H Jet). After joining Android Samsung is now surpassing Nokia. Now most people who think about Smartphone will immediately think about iPhones and Galaxies. Nokia? Just fucking loser, not cool, rubbish. If you ask them why, they’d say cause it’s not Android.

    I’m not saying Windows Phone is not good. But Nokia is now on the burning platform with poor reputation, as well as microsoft’s operating system. Nokia should show the world they can make good smartphones(As the general public think Android and iOS are smartphones, others are not). That should be a better time for making Wp7 phones, which Apollo should be ready.

    Now Nokia’s effort can hardly pay off. First they have to promote Windows Phone. Second they have to promote their own Lumia line up. If they use android, they dont have to tell other people how good Android is, because the public knows what is Android.

    Maybe Microsoft just dont want their partner to use linux OS :D (I suspect this is the reason for killing the brilliant Meego Harmattan and not using Android)

    I know many people who want a Nokia Android device. Instead of using Symbian Belle to fight against android, why not adopt android as their low to mid end range devices? Belle and android are similar in UI, but the latter has more apps, as well as a highly supported developer community. For such range of devices, who got more apps, who’s gonna be the winner.

    I know many will say Android is laggy! Belle and Windows phone are silky smooth! Well this should apply for Android 2.3 or below. Android 4 ICS is very fluid.

    I am a Nokia fan. I want Nokia to succeed. But let’s face the truth, Android is the trend. You will just lag behind if you go against.

    On the whole, the first thing Nokia should do is to gain back their lost reputation, but not thriving with an unpopular OS. It’s like’You jump I jump’. Too risky.

    • manu

      yes thats main point.i recommend belle device and lumia 710 to my friends over shitty androids like galaxy ace,still they buys those crap phones,and they says nokia’s touch sucks and samsung is amazing,also many buys android (especially girls) just coz their friends recommended it.

    • migo

      They’ll never build a reputation as an Android manufacturer.

      Androids sell on specs. The unannounced Huawei Quad Core got more votes than the iPhone 4S – simply because it was a quad core. In Android it’s razor thin margins in a race to the bottom for price, and a huge specifications arms race – increase resolution, increase RAM, increase clock speed, increase battery size, increase cores. The Android market is very much like the PC market was in the 1990s and 2000s.

      The last Nokia that competed on specs was the N95. Then the iPhone came out, and the Samsung Innov8, and Nokia has been behind ever since. They never had an answer to the Innov8 or the Omnia HD (until the N8 came out), and that was on Symbian. They couldn’t compete with Samsung in the spec race on Symbian, they have zero chance against Samsung on Android.

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  • jagger

    In Asia / SG / HK / Philippines… Nokia Lumia aren’t selling well… lack of apps and lack of familiarity of UI are main factors of poor sale…

  • hosny santos

    if the Guardian make a rewiew off lumia and says is no good, when german news says go buy N9 in anothers countries, when retailers said it does´nt sales ,something is wrong,whit lumias ,where are the Plan B? why not maemo ,meltemi or rubin for markets out off NA, is too risk stay in MS OS,whitout another options,is too much stupid and this blog is not a lumis blog am i rhigt?

    • weirdfisher

      Windows Phone Fanboy infiltration

    • Jay Montano

      No it’s not a ‘lumis’ blog at all. The name is quite evident what this blog is about. Is the Lumia phone a Nokia? Yes.

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