MNB RG: Lumia takes Nokia back to #1 in Finland, (+WP 7.53% according to statcounter)
This was more of a tip but Janne had already summarised most of the main content. I’ve added some info on statcounter – very promising news indeed:
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According to IDC and as quoted in major Finnish financial press, Nokia is back to 41% in Q1 of Finland’s smartphone market, after dropping to as low as 31% last summer and from the first place… In Q1, Samsung sold 28% and Apple 21% and Nokia was again #1. In this article Finnish operators are praising Nokia and saying the Lumia sales are not only coming from Symbian, but from others as well. They expect Lumia to continue eat into the competition. Recently at Nokia AGM, Elop reported that Nokia had also regained the #1 position in Finland in sales value thanks to Lumia, after loosing it to competition last year.
The article is titled “Finland found Nokia’s smartphones again”:
Also, Finnish operators say the Lumia 900 had a very promising, very good start of sales in Finland:
Statcounter above shows WP now continuing to grow to 7.53%. There is a marked decline in Symbian because statcounter stopped counting Symbian ans S40 as one thing (this only stopped in April, hence a lot of data up to then may have been misrepresenting the Symbian userbase and the rate of decline).
Taking 7.53% in the space of a few months is significant because this is new sales vs all current handsets in use.
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Finland’s mobile market is small – the whole population is only 5 million so take that into account. However, this is more of an important symbol than anything else, that Nokia can reclaim their own position in their on market and not be on consistent decline with their new line of products.
Windows Phone, via Lumia, is on a very good increase. It might look like there are two peaks of Windows Phone, the first occurring just by the end of 2010 but that’s actually Maemo.
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- Nokia weer de grootste in Finland - Vergelijk Mobiel | May 30, 2012
Now replicate this across the world and you’ll have a winner.
Yup!
Looking at the statcounter details for other countries, it seems there is some hope in that the growth is increasing for WP.
In much larger populations the rate of growth seen will be tiny as not only is Lumia WP competing for stat info of current competition sales, but also the already established userbase. (Statcounter therefore in OS view is not simply a show of marketshare but overall active userbase)
“are praising Nokia and saying the Lumia sales are not only coming from Symbian, but from others as well.” there must be a mistake here
. I like the new design btw.
In case there was ambiguity, I meant by that that people are not only buying Lumia instead of Symbian devices, but also instead of Android/iOS devices according to the operator(s) interviewed. This of course is important to Nokia because it is bringing in new customers or old customers back that had or would have abandoned Nokia.
Yes, it’s swell, but unfortunately Finland is such a small country that even if Lumia was the only smartphone sold in Finland, it would not have much significance for a company the size of Nokia.
That of course goes without saying – and is reflected already in the article above in Jay’s commentary. This is just a little good news from Nokia’s home turf.
Not big good news in the grand scheme of things, of course.
So whats making up the other 33% of Nokia sales seeing Lumia is only 8% ?
7.53/8% is WP against every phone, new and old, not new sales.
Yes, I expect Lumia must be selling to the tune of 20-30% of Finland’s smartphones now to achieve that kind of StatCounter success so quickly.
Agreed. And I wish Nokia the best.
At the same time, I wonder if this can be replicated across the Causeway (Singapore). Similar population numbers like Finland, except with their strong loyalty to the iPhone, until the 4S was released there 2 weeks after the US launch as a sign of thanks as the late Steve Jobs put it.
That and their infamous ‘kiasu’ attitude, hence the view of the iPhones as a luxury status symbol. Not sure how easy it is to crack that.
Kiasu Mindset is fickle and will surely change one day when too many “aunties” have iPhones. Only question is change to what?
Samsung Galaxy phones? That would be my first guess given how prominent they are after the iPhones.
Wait I thought the Finns all hated Elop for selling out Nokia to the Americans! Also nobody likes stupid tiles it’s ugly and not functional! This is all a conspiracy Elop must’ve bought and rigged the stats! /s
Well, to play the devils advocate, this is does not show the breakdown of lumia handsets being sold. For all we know it might be all lumia 710, which is not really good in the grand scheme of things.
Its kind of like the symbian marketshare arguement, it might have massive marketshare but the margins of those devices prove to be of the lower end devices rather than the lucrative high end range.
It doesn’t matter which Lumia it is because according to the “haters” as long as it is a Windows Phone (with the ugly tiles) and was a product pushed by the “evil” Elop then the Finns should be hating it, the fact that stats shows otherwise means the haters are full of sh*t.
cant blame the haters for the Finns’ nonchalance
Most phones are not bought by people who actually know or care much about the background of Nokia’s recent predicaments. Nokia is still a Finnish company and Lumia is their newest and most advertised brand, so Finnish people will buy Lumia phones. Nothing more, nothing less. The behavior of Finnish consumers in this case is not really relevant globally.
I don’t personally like the tiles, but I know many people who do. As I have written previously, the tiles are controversial aesthetically, but not universally hated (or liked, for that matter).
No It Is not Elop It is Flop. So much more clever an insult that way!
True. 710s may well have been the majority. There is, however, no particular reason to believe that the 800 would not have sold quite well too, in particular given that even in Finland nowadays a lot phones are bought on contracts with low/now upfront for the phone. Also, as the report Janne links to seems to suggest, 900 sales are starting well. Finally, as European countries go, Finnish economy is at least not quite as close to collapse as some others are so people there should have some confidence to spend, comparatively speaking, a bit more on a phone.
Btw, the same story as on the 900 sales quotes one operator saying the sales of 610 have started well too and that the end of the school year is busy as folks give phones to their kids as presents – I gather 900s for the high school graduates and 610s for the elementary school.
Fantastic! This is wonderful news!
Even though I have just bought an N9 I really want WP7 to succeed. But I must admit that last graph is quite sad
I think we all want Nokia succeed
of course nokia fans want nokia to succeed, but I say that with a tinge of sorrow that it’s not coming with meego/ symbian – but at its expense!
Any good for windows phone as always been conspiracy in the eyes of some or I might say most of the ppl.My advice to those ppl are ,if you consider it as a conspiracy,please ignore the windows phone news at all,why bother commenting on anything related.By the way its great news.
GREAT news for Lumia. Steady increase
They are probably giving them away for free.
Every new born gets a Lumia.
Spent over $50 at a grocery shop? You get a free Lumia, filled up at a gas station? Free Lumia. Used a public toilet? Free complementary Lumia…
Nope, actually here in Finland after the launch week has had no special offers. USA and UK are in their own category there.
People are open to the new OS and normal people have actually found it to be great phone. That never happened to N9 that sales died here after the first 2 months. Pretty much all Windows Phones are Lumia 800′s.
Companies are also buying Lumia 800′s, never happened to N9.
Companies knew that N9 is a one-off phone. N9 never received much promotion either, except at the very beginning, when it also sold well, which is no coincidence; never underestimate the significance of advertising. The 800 is even getting ads specifically targeted for businesses in addition to the massive consumer-oriented campaign.
N9 Is great but no apps Means it didn’t appeal to consumers. That explains the initial burst of n9 sales from fans Like us, and why it dropped Off shortly after
It’s not as simple as your need to characterise it like that.
And I suspect you very well know that…
Do you actually believe these things you’re writing?
Open to a new OS? How about people being curious about new Nokia models, as always. Even with Symbian. And N9 with it’s ridiculous pricing (700 € for a phone with no future.) Oh, and normal people very much found N9 a great phone, as did reviewers, most of whom said that given Lumia 800 and the N9, they’d choose the N9.
And companies are now buying the handsets they delayed when Nokia only offered Symbian it had already discontinued.
And no, Lumia 710 has sold more than 800 in Finland.
Hrm might wanna ceck those “facts”.
800 has been most sold phone by Elisa, Sonera and DNA. 710 has not even made to the top 10 lists all the time. Verkkokauppa.com also sells way more 800′s daily than 710.
And yes i found the N9 also great, but it’s meant for certain people that are also likely to praise it more. Most people just want fluid phone with quality apps.
Do you avtually believe what you write?
“And no, Lumia 710 has sold more than 800 in Finland”
No way, no how. Like Pdexter already pointed out, the vast majority of Finnish Lumia sales are for the 800.
Gee, really? A product with far less advertising, pronounced DoA even before it was announced to the public, let alone released – which made every review have the mandatory `Great device, but it’s dead, Jim` or `Phones from their new strategy are coming within a month, so if you’re not into abandon-ware…` line – sold at on avg. 20% higher price point – didn’t sell as well as that second device, and specifically companies weren’t buying it? Wow, what a shocker! As for the other part – please name your source who claimed that `pretty much all WPs are Lumia 800s`.
And in the end, what does it have to do with the N9? Nokia is currently in a very deep doo-doo, N9 or not, and Lumia is not selling in numbers even close to what Nokia needs to survive. Whether the N9 would’ve sold better or not, we can only guess – even Elop himself said that there is no point in comparing them as they weren’t on the same footing.
Lumias sell well in Finland? Wow, really huge and important marketplace where Nokia never had any footing and people generally either don’t know about Nokia or passionately hate them, right? Incidentally enough, that is the same market that broke all sales records for the N97 and held the highest pre-order number in Nokia history ’til then (and again, incidentally that record was broken later on for the preordered N9s in Russia) – bottom line, it says absolutely nothing. Nokia needs to sell at least 20M smartphones world-wide a quarter to sustain their operations, Lumia line, including the cheapo ones, is not even close to achieve such sales rate. Finland has always been a blip on the global sales radar and nobody sane would think that the sales in Finland translate to the world.
And I so didn’t want to comment here not to be accused for spreading negativity, but it is people like you (and your counterparts in the opposite trench) that make MNB so hard to follow from time to time. Chillax, whether the Lumia sells well or not has nothing to do with the N9, and vice versa.
N9 sucks royally with no apps and ecosystem, stop supporting the dead platform you TROLL!!
It doesnt matter if you type essays in support of that N9 shit, its gone,dead. Come out of denial and face the truth.
only android with its strong ecosystem,apps,services could have generated huge sales for nokia not that forked meego shit.
I believe this one’s for you incognito…
Gets pop-corn……
Awaits response from just about every other commenter here that’s far more clued-up than this clown.
Sure except Android Nokias would be in direct competition With Samsung and their Unbeatable Supply chain. Ask HTC and Moto and LG How well that worked out for Them.
Honestly. Maybe you should look at the mirror.
I’am huge N900 and N9 fan, you might know me as tissot from maemo.org talk (or search the forum with that name). I came back to Nokia because of maemo.
I simply just said couple of facts about the differences between N9 and 800 sales in Finland, not why that happened. Just take a chill pill. No reason to get railed up because you see sentence with N9 and 800.
As for 800 being most sold with pretty much no 710 sales.
And some people call Apple lovers fanatics….
List of the 3 biggest carriers in Finland.
http://www.dna.fi/DNAOy/Media/Tiedotteet/Sivut/DNA%20Kaupan%20myydyimm%C3%A4t%20puhelimet%20helmikuussa%202012.aspx
http://www.elisa.fi/ir/pressi/index.cfm?t=100&t=100&o=5120&did=17881
http://uutishuone.sonera.fi/2012/03/01/nokia-lumia-%E2%80%93lanseeraus-dominoi-helmikuun-puhelinmyyntia/
Good news… for me even if its bad news for the people who have the N9. at least the has given nokia the crown they lost in finland and also it has helped nokia product to be accepted in the United States for the first time… you cant say. you can’t say why the Nokia is dying its because of lumia but you can say they really need each other to survive… Let the pureview come and help nokia too… Some say they didn’t say if its the Lumia 800 or the 710 and claim its all the 710… what will you say about android then? Samsung have a gazillion android phones even htc. don’t hate and don’t read the Lumia related news if you don’t like Lumia or nokia.
i hope you dont mean me. im just playing devils advocate and i do want nokia to succeed =D
This is very good news for Nokia. They didn’t have such a good start with Lumia, but on the other had it wasn’t a complete disaster. It has been very clear that the real conclusions can’t be done until the Nokia designed hardware for the Lumia is out. This however gives lot’s of hope.
The problem with the Windows Phone is that Nokia should have been making handsets for it from the very beginning if the WP. The demise of the Symbian was pretty inevitable since it’s reputation is mostly bad or very bad.
Lumia is still a failure. Samsung has 9 millions pre-orders of SGS3 and Nokia can’t get this sale number in a quater with all of the Lumia models combine. Very few people are interested in WP.
“Galaxy S3 phone has been pre-ordered by more than 100 global carriers, who expect to sell at least 9 million devices at launch”
Carriers pre-order. Not people. And if they do, good for them.
Android is an established brand. Not only has it been around for a while but it’s been popular for a while and the Galaxy S brands is working really well for Samsung – it’s gaining trust. Carriers are trusting it to sell so can pre-order much more. This is the third iteration in the cycle along with many other successful galaxies.
WP is still relatively unknown, Lumia is new and relatively unknown. Lumia right now is still pretty much on the starting block like the original Galaxy S but in much tougher competition as all expectations are higher.
Either way, not reaching 9M pre-orders by 100 retailers worldwide doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a failure. The hope lies in growth. People essentially like it after using it – and hopefully more so when WP8 will hopefully free Nokia to do as they want on the hardware side and give them more features to possibly attract those who aren’t just the first time smartphone buyers.
WP has been around longer then Android. First version was killed by Symbian, and new version will be killed by Android. WP will reach 10-15% market share and that is all it will get. I hope that Nokia can be successful with WP but after 6+ months of since Lumia was lunched it doesn`t look they will be successful. Nokia made mistake by going with WP but they have no choice but to stick with WP for nest few years. If Nokia picked Android they would have a lot better sales and feature would look much better.
Only reason why Nokia has any success with Lumia is its law price, if they priced Lumia 900 at $199 like SG3 or HTC One sale number would have been a lot worse( HTC Titan II is a good example of that). And giving free stuff helps to but for how long Nokia and Microsoft can give out free stuff for every phone or give phones for free?
Hi there Del,
Maybe you missed the article where IHS iSupply teared down the Lumia 900 and found that the components cost a lot less than those in HTCs and Samsung Android LTE phones. That might be part of the reason why they are cheaper. I feel that with Android the dual- and quad-cores and bigger RAM Nokia would not had a change to be cheaper and steal a huge share of Android markets from Samsung or HTC. What do you think?
With Nokia build quality and superior camera, Nokia would maintain its number one status. And profit margins would be higher because they wouldn`t have to give phone for free or with free stuff. Lumia 900 cost around $209 to make (sold for $450 contract free) and SG2 costs $180 to make (sold for $599 contract free)
I have SGS2 and build quality is terrible, camera is average but it sells because it is Android.
“WP has been around longer then Android.” Not true. Android was released in 2008. WP was released in 2010.
Android is too laggy and would ruin the experience of the Lumia.
Windows for phone is around from 2000.But nobody like it then just as nobody likes it now. It is a failure.
Windows Phone was released in late 2010. The old version was Windows Mobile, which at a time was actually the second most popular smartphone platform if I recall. But WP is a so big of a reboot these have nothing in common for the user’s perspective.
Windows Phone is 1,5 years old.
Short Term yes. Long term Androidis a commodity game where everyone except Google and Samsung loses. Windows phone was the best (or least bad) choice
Sorry for typo s, trying Swype on my n9
Come on Jay…
How much more are we going to have the same excuse that “WP is still relatively unknown, Lumia is new and relatively unknown”..
Isn’t it a few months for Lumia with this heavy advertising, and quite a long time for WP to be still unknown..
Unknown as in people haven’t had experience with it yet, first or second hand.
Lumia is most certainly not a success. However there seems to be some improvement in the sales figures. Comparing Samsung’s products to the offerings to what Nokia has is a bit unfair is this situation. You should not forget that.
DJ clueless… Samsung don’t have 9million preorders check how they said the galaxy tab was selling before but was all lies… the shipped 9million to various markets not sales or preorders. that story might confuse you anyway
i highly doubt that the sgs3 will be a huge success. have you seen the phone? the half baked features?
why spend extra money compared to the sgs2?
I can’t believe we are supposed to feel this is good. That is terrible terrible terrible. If you are only able to reach 7% in Nokia’s own backyard, after months of the phones being release, you have major issues.
7.53% is not of current sales. 7.53% is based on all the phones that are in use tracked by statcounter in Finland.
Based on sales Lumia handsets were top for the Finnish retailers. That’s not terrible. Do you expect Nokia to suddenly overthrow iPhone and Android in mere months after iPhone has been sucking up Finnish users since 2008 and Android since 2009?
To achieve 7.53% on ALL phones in a few months is quite good.
Good point, that’s not sales. Still think Nokia should target a few other platforms besides WP, don’t have good feelings about it. Hopefully the next WP is amazing.
Yes, I agree that Nokia should maintain other platforms. The better they do, the longer Nokia will have to execute the transition, which if also turns out well can give more time to improve Nokia’s own software offerings too and give consumers that choice.
Nokia is still targeting other platforms, namely S40 and the “dumbphones” in the low end. The discussion seems to be revolving around so called smartphones, but number of people are still buying cheaper lite versions of smartphones (S40) as they have quite broad functionality for the price point and the battery lasts much longer.
Granted, operators are hard pushing smartphones (data plans, anyone) as it benefits their business in the long term. In other news, believe or not, Lumia series has really made a difference in Finland and Nokia’s brand has been re-established a bit. It’s not, like everybody expects, that Nokia was a strong brand in Finland (except for the low end) anymore. iPhone and Samsung pretty much replaced Nokia here in the smartphone category in terms of mindshare among early adopters (= influencers).
ah i thought it was sales too not install base
I wonder what happened to the “independently proven” retail boycott of Lumia in Finland? People fighting with store staff to be able to buy a Lumia?
- “I wanna Lumia!”
- “No, I boycott it. Buy a Galaxy instead.”
- “Perkele!” *thump* *boing* *thud*
- “Okay, okay, you can have a Lumia. Which color?”
Tomi Ahonen did not invent the surveys which showed that carrier store salespeople were initially reluctant to push Lumia in Finland. That was a for months ago, however, and seems to have been changed, probably because people have been asking for Lumia so much, thanks to advertising and the huge patriotic advantage Nokia still gets in Finland.
What happened to this patriotic advantage that caused even Symbian to nose dive in Finland? (Note it might actually look worse since S40 was being counted along as Symbian).
Finns may support Nokia to a big extent, but not indefinitely. If Nokia declares Symbian as EOL, it’s going to affect sales, dramatically.
Nokia’s decisions are reported to a very fine detail in Finland, so only a handful of people wouldn’t have known of new winds blowing in Espoo by, say, 13th of February, 2011. Not only that, most people would’ve read about Elop’s comments in “The Memo”, publicly declaring Symbian as lacking beyond repair. It’s going to affect sales, dramatically.
And indeed it did. Before “The Memo” Symbian easily outsold all competition in Finland because it was Nokia’s platform of choice. Now it’s Windows Phone, and it sells well in Finland. Any platform would’ve done the same. (Homegrown domestic stuff by Nokia would’ve very likely sold even better.)
Hate to disagree, but I believe the memo did not have so much effect on the Symbian sales. I consider myself as a quite a Nokia fan but wouldn’t have bought an other Symbian phone after N8. Well, I have pre-ordered a camera that runs Symbian
but that does not count, because it is not my primary phone. Just wondering how many others are going to replace their point and shoot with 808.
Me!
And I agree, Finns were ditching Symbian left and right before Feb11 already. It just wasn’t competitive.
Right…because N8 was selling so poorly… /s
N8 was selling fairly OK at the start, but the rest of the S^3 was not selling much at all. Maybe E7 to companies. Symbian at the endgame was selling through the cheap end S60v5 until cheap Android came.
But more importantly the atmosphere against Symbian had grown in Finland too. More and more people were simply refusing to buy it or were disappointed in their N8s software quality… Just look at that StatCounter graph prior in, say, 2010. Symbian was on the fast track down.
Mentally, it was way more down than that. Nokia was becoming a joke on Finland, because of Symbian. That is at least my perception of how it was. Lumia is again changing the image for the better.
Marx Aurel: I disagree that there ever was any significant boycott, far too much was made out of it. StatCounter has been showing huge gains since start for Lumia in Finland. Yet Tomi kept quoting that story I still a couple of weeks ago spouting it a fact, when it was never anything more than anecdotal stories at best, and no stats were supporting that case in Finland. That is what is wrong with his reporting lately, he makes huge claims based on small evidence. Quite the contrary, for a new OS Lumia is a massive success in Finland.
But I guess we can at least agree that there is no visible boycott now.
New OS?! Hardly. WP will be 2 years years old in fall.
WP is now around 1,5 years old. At that point neither Android or iOS had made their big break. That constitutes as new in my book. More importantly, Lumia is only six months old and one might say that is only when WP really started because it lacked premier manufacturer support prior to that had simply secondary devices.
Oh, it is new by any sense of the word. And it takes time to see when and if a new thing catches on in the market.
BTW: I’m not saying WP is doing as well as the competition. Clearly it has been very slow on the uptake and its future seems very much uncertain. But also things have changed for WP after the first year. Nokia is now changing things, so let’s see…
“That is what is wrong with his reporting lately, he makes HUGE CLAIMS based on SMALL evidence.”
And then you say on the very next sentence:
“Quite the contrary, for a new OS Lumia is a MASSIVE success in Finland.”
Hilarious!
I think there is much evidence that Lumia is a massive success in Finland. All the operator charts, StatCounter statistics, operator interviews, personal experiences on the street and online. Lumia is catching on big time in Finland, that much is obvious. Will it last? That is of course undecided.
The retail sales boycott story was based on a single interview story and a lot or conjecture.
Moat importantly, I’m calling Lumia a success in Finland after four months of consecutive good news from the market. Not based on a story a week or few after launch.
Look, I’m not claiming WP some kind of massive success, or even any kind of success at large. But it indeed seems to be one in Finland.
Success? Yes. Massive? Not in any dimension. Even in Finland’s proportions.
However I wonder at operators still holding Lumia prices very high indeed, around 500e for the 800 model (whereas they go far cheaper and often for free (other models) in other places like U.S.). It’s as if everyone here expects that Finns will pay any price asked (which is often true, but where is the limit of that philosophy?!). Keeping prices this high is one thing that’s preventing Lumia from being a bigger success than it is.
Apologies, 500+ for 900 model, 400+ for 800. Still too expensive when you have phones like N8/E7 for 250 and even under that.
Great news…..After a long long time.
“Taking 7.53% in the space of a few months is significant because this is new sales vs all current handsets in use.”
Please do not suggest that this 7.53% are “new sales”. They sold 6.25% of these phones from January to April. So from April to May they sold 7.53-6.25 = 1.28% of all phones.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/24/lumia-stats-graphs-wp-at-6-25-in-finland-via-statcounter/
They sold 6,25% in 4 months, that 1.56% per month. This post suggests that WP sales are increaseing in Finland but no, they are decreaseing at the moment.
WP is increasing in Finland. It has been since the release of the Lumia. The StatCounter shows a steady increase of WP over the past six months.
—-Please do not suggest that this 7.53% are “new sales”
OK. Let’s try this one more time. According to statcounter, they calculate the usage of all phones and present their data as marketshare of each particular OS.
The rise of WP in Finland ties closely with arrival of Lumia, from pretty much nothing to now 7.53%.
” This post suggests that WP sales are increaseing in Finland but no, they are decreaseing at the moment.”
Oh I see. Thanks. Up means down.
Jay: I guess he means that more gain was made earlier this year than was made in May – i.e. Lumia sales have decreased in Finland from what they were earlier this yer. Obviously this is true just looking at the graph that goes up steeper in February and March, compared to April and May. (Lumia was not sold in Finland in January, so those phones are individual imports, not significant.)
Now, of course this also coincides with the release of Lumia in Finland. I’m sure there was a lot of pent up demand for Lumia, hence it sold at a faster rate in February/March than it did in April/May. But, it still sold a lot in April/May to get that rise in the installed base. Now that there are two new models: Lumia 900 and Lumia 610 on sale in Finland, since this week or so, I’d expect the late-May/June numbers again increasing compared to April for example.
Thanks. I thought it was clear. The marketshare is increasing but the sales are not. And I think too, the sales will increase again with 610 and 900, but this has nothing to do with this graph or it outcome. We think this becouse its normal when they release a new product. But it not a “law”, other companies will release there products like SGS III too.
Good luck for Lumias
But it will be more meaningful to succeed with inhouse OS
Great news! I have witnessed more and more facebook status updates made with WP. Success of Lumias is critical for Nokia. Without it there will be no Nokia or own OS in the future. I also hope that the coming Meltemi OS will be based on Maemo (Meego), and the apps will be usable in N9, which would make the N9 the top of the line model in the Meltemi phones.
The prices of N9 have become very competitive in Finland; the lowest prices being; 64GB – 349€ (vekkokauppa.com) and 16GB – 299€ (e.g. DNA, Elisa).
Jay, thanks for the MeeCast notification. Nokia Play 360 is supprisingly good!
This certainly sounds like good news for Nokia. But I don’t think it is. Especially when I think of how many Lumia’s are given away for free. Free phones don’t bring any cash. Even a dead-said Meego device reached some market share in Finnland, so no wonder Lumia does too. This graphic is for nothing.
The problem? Look at other markets, or at the hole world. WP is even declining in some countries! (everything can be seen at stats counter). Also US market stats looks disastrous for WP.
Also if I look at my country: People were talking about Lumia when Nokia came up with the Lumia 800 and the huge marketing floods (there were ads everywhere you looked at). Now, you simply don’t hear anymore anything about Lumia or Windows Phone, even in phone stores they are kinda hidden behind all the Droids and iPhones or aren’t even offered anymore.
Compared to Symbian: I saw the N8 and E7 being sold and shown in stores until almost 1 year ago.
I wished it would look better for Nokia, but as an economist I know that it looks very bad at the moment and compared to the old Nokia strategy. I’m not a pessimist but realist in this occasion, nor am I in anyway manipulated by wrong Nokia statements.
OK, lets be specific. Which countries is WP going down in statcounter?
List them for me please. I’m not disputing that they’re there or not, it just would be nice for you to mention what countries you are talking about.
sina88:
“This certainly sounds like good news for Nokia. But I don’t think it is. ”
Of course it is good news for Nokia in Finland. Nobody is making wider extrapolations in this article, it is just good news *in* Finland. Nowhere else. But it is good news in Finland. Trust me. Lumia is gaining traction here, serious traction. You can see Lumias everywhere in people’s hands and those StatCounter starts are phenomenal.
“But I don’t think it is. Especially when I think of how many Lumia’s are given away for free.”
I have not seen Nokia giving away any Lumias for free in Finland. In fact, I think we’ve had the suckiest promotions of all. No serious extra accessories or anything, unless some little things from individual stores. Basically zero promotions here: just pay a lot of money thank you, without any extras. And people are paying! For whatever reason. Maybe because it is a good product, maybe because it is a Nokia product, most likely because of a little bit of both. Same was true for N9 – no freebies, it simply sold well here, hence it gained some share. People still like Nokia here, they were just increasingly adverse to Symbian (already before Feb11 as the starts and personal experiences show), hence Lumia and N9 got the attention that they did.
Sure, carriers may offer Lumia at zero upfront cost (I don’t know if they do, I haven’t checked), but in Finland that legally just means a part-payment plan and everybody knows this. The phone cost is added to your bill every month, just like if you were buying a fridge or a washing machine with part-payment. You will pay the full price of the phone over the contract period plus interest, nothing is free. The operator pays full price to Nokia for the device.
I mean, come on, this is Finland! We get nothing for free or cheap. And definitely we don’t get Nokia phones for free.
“The problem? Look at other markets, or at the hole world. WP is even declining in some countries! (everything can be seen at stats counter). Also US market stats looks disastrous for WP.”
Where is it decreasing? Mostly I have seen Windows Phone on a steady but slow increase in countries where Lumia has been introduced. Of course these are also much larger markers or harder markets for Nokia, hence no such major successes yet as in Finland. I agree, Finland’s success is so far unique. But I don’t think that in any way diminishes the local success in Finland – the stats are cometlike. Clearly Lumia has turned the tide for Nokia in Finland. More and more iPhone/Android people are once again considering and buying Nokia in Finland, which they wrote off after one lackluster Symbian device after another. This is plainly obvious in local online discussion forums and on the street as well.
“Also if I look at my country: People were talking about Lumia when Nokia came up with the Lumia 800 and the huge marketing floods (there were ads everywhere you looked at).”
I don’t know what you country is, but I do agree Lumia faces a much harder road in other markets, with less success so far. The U.S. of course remains to be seen, it may have gotten to a better start than many western European countries did.
“Compared to Symbian: I saw the N8 and E7 being sold and shown in stores until almost 1 year ago.”
Obviously Symbian dominated the smartphone scene for a long time and it gave it time. But let me assure you, in many places Symbian was already declared dead before Feb11. It is sad to see Nokia loose that crown, of course, and hard to see Nokia in a challenger position trying to reboot their position. It is hard, it is risky and it may fail. But staying with Symbian would have only meant they’d have to do this later and it would be even harder. In Finland too, Symbian was not making and keeping friends anymore, more and more people were ditching Symbian prior to Feb11, as can be seen in the graphs above.
“I wished it would look better for Nokia, but as an economist I know that it looks very bad at the moment and compared to the old Nokia strategy. I’m not a pessimist but realist in this occasion, nor am I in anyway manipulated by wrong Nokia statements.”
I do think you are overly optimistic about the old strategy though. It did not look good either, not with the way markets were rejecting Symbian more and more.
Nobody here is thinking lightly of Nokia’s predicament. We know they are in dire straits. But at least in Finland, they have won their crown back. Nokia is back on #1 smartphone seller here in the current sale statistics.
BTW: Somebody asked about which models, I don’t have any stats between models but anecdotally I must say I’m the only person I know or have seen with a Lumia 710 in Finland. Every time I see a Lumia, it is the Lumia 800. Also Lumia 800 has been topping operator charts for months now, Lumia 710 has been lower.
Now that also 900 and 610 just came on sale in Finland I expect the diversity to increase, though.
Usually the WP Share is falling Crap comes from confusing WP w WM.
basically, you want it your way, and everybody else can go screw themselves? alright then.
Sorry arts, the comment you were replying to was removed. I have asked that user not to spam using their user name on several occasions with warning of comment removal. I asked several times because I have a policy not to remove comments unless it’s spam and have warned that person and so much more times after that. The comment is now removed.
If you are reading this – the username box is not for you to spam your message. You were warned about doing so and the consequences of such were you to continue.
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They just shortened their original spamming name as opposed to just picking and sticking with a username.
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WoW, finland has 5Mill of population?!, yeah Nokia did make that country proud, woooow.