Video: Older 808 proves Carla is Belle FP1
Over the past week or so there’s been a lot of commotion regarding the rumored “Scrapping of Carla”; which was then proven and confirmed to be gibberish as we learned that Carla was renamed as Belle FP1 (from the original leak of Carla we all knew that it would only carry minor UI changes to Belle without any ground breaking changes (mainly new widgets)- which is exactly what Belle FP1 carried with it. Here’s a video of a pre-release 808 showing that Software version 112.whatever which is now known as Belle FP1 was indeed once upon a time called Carla; it is worth noting that the software date here is January 28th 2012 (just one month before the MWC unveil)- while the devices we got to play around with were dated Feb. 20th 2102; so it would appear that the ditching of the Carla name was a very short notice thing occurring somewhere between Jan 28th and Feb 20th.
Here’s a Noob question; I may be way off but I understand that the pureview has a dedicated processor to control it’s imaging capabilities; wouldn’t that make it the first Multi-processor/Core Symbian phone? And as rumored the final Symbian update “Donna” at the time; would be for Mulit-core phones? -Can anyone explain if what I’m saying has any basis?
T hanks for the tip Jill
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A gpu isn’t same as cpu, just like how our pc functioning?
I would say the 808 imaging cpu has a PC equivalent to a physics card.
this
So FP1=Carla and FP2=Donna
hence proved
I still would want Belle to get further developed .. If slowly then slowly but Belle gives hint of potential
what about the 1 Gen devices will they get atleast the lite version of (FP1 and FP2)???
Task switcher from FP1 is really awesome..
From what i heard, they will get some light version of FP1. Don’t know about FP2 though.
Yep, some say that belle fp1 lite would be named belle refresh.
ya First gen S^3 devices update is named as Belle Refresh instead of FP1, as its light version.
will it contain FP1 task manager
“wouldn’t that make it the first Multi-processor/Core Symbian phone?”
No, Symbians have had CPU + GPU at least since the N95. Also I’m pretty sure that the imaging chip on the 808 isn’t a conventional CPU/GPU, but a custom DSP containing the PureView algorithms in hardware.
I do tend to believe the so called “imaging co-processor” is more or less a future Broadcom product, simply exclusive to Nokia for some time.
I believe, that “imaging co-processors” are DSPs.
its probably a custom broadcom dsp with enough power to cope with the 2nd half of the 20mp data
Already there are multiprocessor phones available in Symbian like N96 etc..Nothing new.. Carla itself supports multicore processing.
Hope next device with Donna have dual-core cpu.
Darned, you beat me to it.
N95 – dual arm 11 + GPU
N96 – dual arm 9
Although the 2nd processor was for handling telephony functions. It was the kernel re-write that meant they could drop the second CPU.
I was going to say this.
N95 is the first Nokia dual core phone. It has two ARM processors. The clock speed was really small, around 300 MHz.
if windows phones flop, your wish may be granted, as Nokia returns to its roots.
Sadly, if windows phones flop, Nokia will probably not survive.
“wouldn’t that make it the first Multi-processor/Core Symbian phone?”
The N95 had dual ARM 11 processors.
Multi-core means two cores in one processor.Multi processor means two processors in the phone.
Since Nokia and Accenture is committed to the platform “at least until 2016,” I think they’re just reserving the names Carla and Donna for future major releases, that’s why the original updates were renamed to just Belle FP1, FP2 and Refresh.
Why would they need to do that? It’s not like there wouldn’t be enough letters in the alphabet to cover the next few years as well? No, I think it’s been stated clearly enough that the didn’t like the idea of changing the name of the OS all the time, so they’re sticking with Belle.
Android has done that before. Even with minor updates, they change names but now they’ve learned that only major updates should get it’s own name. Perhaps Nokia has learned from it, too.
Whatever, that’s just a name change. Let’s look at the bright side. At least, they release updates. Also, they may stop producing Symbian phones in 2014 but software support for those products shall continue “at least until 2016.” By that time, many would’ve jumped ship to Windows Phone.
I’m also becoming somewhat sceptical regarding the support to extend to 2016. Unless Nokia intends to launch still more Symbian phones, I really don’t see why they would support an OS that basically no one would be using in 2016.
“I really don’t see why they would support an OS that basically no one would be using in 2016.”
that Symbian OS still sell millions and is actually what keeps nokia alive right now
Also I think nokia’s saviour IS Symbian for now. Why? Think if nokia show the millions symbian users that they are still committed to symbian then millions of people will keep their faith in nokai and will eventually buy lumia phones. So Nokia please handle symbian with more respect and people will respect you!
Btw didnt one of nokia’s guy said:
“As for the 808 are secret the details of processing, but they are powerful processors, has well 3: for the graphics processing, one for the processing of 41MP and one who supervises the processing of the software”
From what being said there is that the the 808 has atleast 5 processors! dont know if the cpu and gpu are counted in the 3 processors for the graphics
symbian phones which sells are one like E series and some low end nontouch and s60v5 device.people prefer android over belle based device.so update till 2016is only on words
Not really. E series, low-end nontouch and S60v5 devices are actually only small part of Symbian sales.
i will install a custom firmware and replace FP1 with carla everywhere… am satisfied.
We all remember, what dsmobile said many months ago – Carla was just polished Belle update and Donna was the big jump.
FP2 doesn’t sound like big jump update to me.
I hope I’m wrong of course… =]
+1.
In HTML5 testing page it shows FP2 which scores same as FP1. So there is no ground breaking changes in both FP1/FP2.
FP1 & FP2 scores are different
Well I like the belle branding so I guess that’ll work. Even things listed under Carla as per the leaked slide from symbian latino before like new and improved widgets, new browser, secure nfc, dolby surround sound are all present in belle fp1. So yeah, belle fp1 is Carla! Hehe
So those leaked screenshots with the new music player design and lockscreen, are actually for belle fp2=donna?
Are we still to expect donna/belle fp2 devices or no more? Dsmobile mentioned that they cancelled plans for those devices right and that 808 is the last symbian phone?
well, there was some words about 3 cores inside 808. Taking in account PV tech 5 years in development, this proves that Symbian had smp support at least several years
also this explains, why they cant adopt wp 7.5 for PV – wp7.5 doesnt support smp
Even it is a reasonable guess, I see no reason why they are reserving names for future release. Android uses A, B, C… for each of their release, even difference between some of which are really small
people should stop asking the question about till when nokia will support symbian! but should actually start to ask if the 808 was the last symbian device that’s all I want to know
It is the last symbian phone 100%.
What about Meego?
Still hoping its ressurrection
Meego 100% dead OS. 0% hope for that.
harmattan/meltemi/”random name” has very very small hope.
I do not believe that Nokia will come back any more. It’s just too late and Nokia is too weak to fight back to have any success with own OS as they have no money and nobody wants to make apps for Nokia after their Symbian/meego/Qt fiasco.
I think you are right. Nokia is done for as a independent company. It’s MicroSofts bitch now. Congrats to all the WP fans…
Didn’t realize all those who happen to like WP were simultaneously rooting for Nokia’s death. Thanks for the insight.
It seems that people liked MeeGo because it was using Linux kernel and it had a user interface with some fancy transitions. Mostly because it was using the Linux kernel.
Now MeeGo is dead and it’s closed source so there is no future. Funny how it was marketed as an open source OS but in reality it turned out to be closed source.
There are always Tizen and Android. Both of those have that Linux kernel so they should be a good choise. Android is controlled by Google so those people scared the US won’t go there. So Tizen it is. A nice OS if you don’t mind it’s just a prototype.
@DsMobile
We all know that qt/meego/symbian was NOT a fiasco
they were never given the chance to fight
The Deal with Ms was made many months previously to its announcement 11/2 (the Ms employees knew about it since october 2010 )so do the maths
@Jay
can you verify that i am talking to the real DsMobile and not some Ms clone???
Ya, i doubt they have enough software engineering power to even think about having their own OS. The Nokia we all loved is gone.. sadly.
Yes, MeeGo/Harmattan is dead and almost buried. There’s no chance for it because Nokia is not selling them anymore (or pushing at least) so that means that Qt for mobile is also dead.
Even if Nokia for some odd reason would commit to Symbian and MeeGo again, who would actually believe them? Who would start to make programs for them?
In that light it was even bigger mistake to go 100% WP, they did not just kill their current and upcoming (at that point) smartphones, but they killed their future feature phones too (which are going to use Qt) – and for what? 2% market share. Madness.
@dsmobile…Thank you! This really should be evident to everyone – the 808 is the last hurrah for Symbian. Support until 2016 will be bug fixes only; no way will Nokia or Accenture invest any more time(or money) developing this OS.
question is if this is real dsmobile.
Of course FP1 is Carla. Was anyone really thinking otherwise? No sane person would considering.
Well even mnb posted before that belle fp1 and fp2 and carla are possibly separate updates with the bug reports.
They are building brand for group of devices . For instance we have Asha group of phones (New S40 phones) Lumia group of phones (WP smartphones) and now Belle group of phones (Symbian smartphones). It is logical.
Yep, you can observe that under the products range of the Nokia website. You’ve got asha, nokia lumia, and nokia belle.
You remember the press release a while back when nokia ditched the symbian name? They are calling it simply Nokia Belle now. They decided on this branding. They won’t change it in 6 months for Nokia Carla, or Nokia Donna. It would be too confusing. it’s just Belle with future feature packs. Maybe we will get even a fp3 next year, and after that some bug fixes or updates for another year. I doubt we will see anymore updates of anykind after 2014
Nokia should announce soon or “leak” their upcoming symbian lineup. Talks about the 808 being the last symbian device is not good PR for Nokia.
The only thing stopping me from totally believing dsmobile is the leak regarding Nokia 605, along with the 305,306, and 311.
If 808 is the last symbian, then 605 would be a windows phone device or possibly meltemi. Was hoping that what dsmobile tried to say is that 808 is the last high end symbian flagship.
Imo, nokia belle fp1 would be a good competitor with the galaxy ace series and midranged android devices in terms of features out of the box.
Hmmmm…
Heres another noob question(again, sorry for bringing this up all the time):
Could that “imaging co-processor”, which I think is a DSP, put into a good use in a music making and a synthesizer software?
iPhones numerous super powerful synthesizers finally forced me to get one, but these DSP processors in Nokias phones have interested me greatly, as even very expensive real hardware synthesizers use similar DSP’s that for example N9 has. Korg’s Radias, Korgs still current analog modelling synthesizer uses sameish Texas Instruments DSP, than what Nokia N800 or N9 has, don’t remember which one. But this 808′s “imaging co-processor” sounds like it could be even fantastically more powerful processor for audio processing.
I would explode in happiness, if I could see…and hear what sounds it could help me make. Symbians possible latency in real time playing is not a problem, as these screens are so small anyway, that a sequencer would suffice greatly.
Even tho I think they consist of FPGAs for the most part, I don’t think they are exposed for 3rd party developers – they probably hold the DSP programming in a separate firmware completely outside of the realm of application domain, least you want to write and replace the firmware yourself in which case you’d lose the PV advantage.
AFAIK, you could never get even close to the DSP stuff on Symbian. Don’t know if anything changed in the 808PV.
As many have mentioned, but just to recap:
1) multi-core != multi-processor
2) 808PV is not even multi-processor, unlike the N95 or N96
3) DSPs != CPU – they are usually ASICs developed specifically for what they do and cannot do much else. Sure, if they are composed out of FPGAs then you can create a CPU out of them, but with quite an overhead and that wouldn’t be their primary use anyway.
4) Symbian, like pretty much any RTOS, can (and does) easily support multi-processor systems because you just need to add an additional pipe in the instruction scheduler to utilize any additional number of CPUs, with perhaps minimal logic to know which instruction to send to which pipeline. Multi-core systems are not like that as you talk to them through a single pipe and single set of registers, and control the processing distribution with additional instructions that you have to track and glue together after processing to preserve the processed data. For non-RTOSes there is a whole another layer prior to that for prioritization, task scheduling of the instruction schedulers etc. making it difficult to do both of those on them.
5) Introducting ‘FP’ in a name of a Symbian product historically means – bad things are about to happen.
Agree about point 5. FP reminds me the issues regarding S60 3rd edition versions..
My theory is that all the Qt development on Belle and MeeGo will be transfered to WP and S40. We’ve already seen design boards of very Belle FP1 looking menus and instruction book showing Swipe gesturing. The S40 devices are already using 1MHz cpu and as Ali has said, it worked very well. Symbian source code has already been released to the public, so it is open source again. Anyone man enough to further develop for Symbian can.
To my knowledge, Sony Ericsson U5 Vivaz
and U8 Vivaz Pro were the last non Nokia built Symbian devices using 9.4 S60V5 and it was much better behaved than the N97. Oh no, Fujitsu also made a dual booting device with Symbian and Windows 7.
Forgot where I was going with that (got interrupted 7 times while typing this)
Symbian has been awesome, is awesome now. I hope it hangs with us as long as it can
That is cool, but only good UX as of now is the Belle UX from Nokia, and I don’t think Nokia is willing to give that away for free, or are they?
People here Of Course know that belle FP1 is Carla , and all agree changed Carla to FP in a name of means bad things are about to happen.
will pass this time sorry nokia going to sgs 3, iphone 5, any idea ?
To all loyal symbian fans again:
-Fp1,Fp2 updates are Carla
-Donna development has been cancelled.
-Meego is not dead. Its features are being added to meltemi OS.
-Win8 nokia phone, tablet, first meltemi s40 phone at nokia world in sep.
-Lumia sales may touch 10 million by end of august.
-35 million symbian^3 phones has been sold so far.
-Nokia 808 is the first dual core phone one clocked at 1.3 ghz and other at 2.0 ghz that is why nokia has kept it secret so that fan boys won’t demand another dual core phone.
-Next generation of s^3 phones probably 605, 650, 710, 610 with 1.5Ghz cpu will be the last symbian comarades to be displayed at Nokia world.
-Nokia is also working discreetly on two new technologies.
[citation needed]
[identity theft]
[wishful thinking]
[troll alert]
I think the following 2 gives reasons not to believe:
1. Nokia 808 is the first dual core phone one clocked at 1.3 ghz and other at 2.0 ghz – Nokia’s developer page says its a single CPU phone.
2. Next generation of s^3 phones probably 605, 650, 710, 610 with 1.5Ghz cpu will be the last symbian comarades – 610\710 are already used up for WP devices.
+ the picture
I don’t know if you are who we think you are, and even then if you have access to current information (as you say it is limited now), but just for the heck of it – my take:
“-Fp1,Fp2 updates are Carla”
Possible.
“-Donna development has been cancelled.”
Possible, considering that Symbian dual-core efforts most likely have been cancelled after the lack-luster Symbian sales. Donna/dual-core was always a big question mark, would it come. Also, if there were some serious UI efforts in Donna, those might no longer make as much sense considering Symbian’s diminished tail.
“-Meego is not dead. Its features are being added to meltemi OS.”
Of course. Although I wouldn’t call Meltemi MeeGo, more like Maemo.
“-Win8 nokia phone, tablet, first meltemi s40 phone at nokia world in sep.”
Some likely, all possible. Although the now-announced Nokia World may be a behind-closed-doors kind of thing, so we’ll see how the event will span out and when and where. Also, I’d personally expect that some of those things may be announced at different dates, not all at once necessarily – although hopefully they will all come out with a bang in September, would make for one great Nokia World.
“-Lumia sales may touch 10 million by end of august.”
Possible.
“-35 million symbian^3 phones has been sold so far.”
Only 35 million? That would be bad. But then S^3 sales never got to a good start. It was the cheapo S60v5 selling, lord knows why…
“-Nokia 808 is the first dual core phone one clocked at 1.3 ghz and other at 2.0 ghz that is why nokia has kept it secret so that fan boys won’t demand another dual core phone.”
Weird claim. Unless references to the DSP.
“-Next generation of s^3 phones probably 605, 650, 710, 610 with 1.5Ghz cpu will be the last symbian comarades to be displayed at Nokia world.”
605 has leaked, so that is possible. 710 and 610 are already Lumias. 650? I had expected Nokia to keep last Symbian’s below the 610 threshold and Windows Phone above that, but maybe. While I personally find it a bit unlikely, a new Symbian family with Belle FP2 for the fall does sound at least possible. Unless it gets cancelled or has been cancelled. A conservative 1.5 GHz boost and Belle FP2, and released at the cheaper end of the scale (as suggested by 6xx, 7xx) with new designs and NFC payments might make sense.
fake dsmobile for sure
LOL yeah, total trollface ;-P
and what happened to the symbian device with N9 form factor ?
there never was a Symbian device with N9 design. Not even as prototype.
I know; this was somebdy pretending to have the n8 successor:
http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/nokia801.jpg