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	<title>Comments on: Super high resolution phone displays &#8211; how high is too high? 1920&#215;1080? 2560&#215;1600?  3840&#215;2160 etc?</title>
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		<title>By: jammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think they should stop pushing the phone beyond FHD(1080p). FHD on smart phone of size 4.5-4.9 is more than enough....... After reaching this milestone they should try to improve the battery of phones, because 1080p on smartphones with LTE, would be a big strain on the battery life... And also considering that to power such a high resolution screen, they would also be putting more powerful GPU and CPU in the smartphones, so they should also look to improve the battery life......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should stop pushing the phone beyond FHD(1080p). FHD on smart phone of size 4.5-4.9 is more than enough&#8230;&#8230;. After reaching this milestone they should try to improve the battery of phones, because 1080p on smartphones with LTE, would be a big strain on the battery life&#8230; And also considering that to power such a high resolution screen, they would also be putting more powerful GPU and CPU in the smartphones, so they should also look to improve the battery life&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Banderpop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banderpop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see the difference between an iPad 2 and new iPad screen easily. I can see the pixel size difference between any iPad and my N8 too. But it doesn&#039;t follow that text I can read at 8 pixels high on an iPad 2 is still comfortably readable at 8 pixels high on a new iPad. That goes for any kind of detail/pattern really. So I don&#039;t think 300ppi serves a practical purpose for something held a few inches away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the difference between an iPad 2 and new iPad screen easily. I can see the pixel size difference between any iPad and my N8 too. But it doesn&#8217;t follow that text I can read at 8 pixels high on an iPad 2 is still comfortably readable at 8 pixels high on a new iPad. That goes for any kind of detail/pattern really. So I don&#8217;t think 300ppi serves a practical purpose for something held a few inches away.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By then symbian would be dead]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By then symbian would be dead</p>
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		<title>By: Janne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW: Nokia&#039;s Future Disruptions unit was claimed by Elop to working on new power management stuff, amongst other things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: Nokia&#8217;s Future Disruptions unit was claimed by Elop to working on new power management stuff, amongst other things.</p>
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		<title>By: vladest</title>
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		<dc:creator>vladest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For some reason, we got left behind&quot;
you knew the reason - battery life
that&#039;s it
There is a lot of revolutions in mobiles: cpus, gpus, screen resolutions etc, except one: no revolutions on battery side]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For some reason, we got left behind&#8221;<br />
you knew the reason &#8211; battery life<br />
that&#8217;s it<br />
There is a lot of revolutions in mobiles: cpus, gpus, screen resolutions etc, except one: no revolutions on battery side</p>
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		<title>By: maxxxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxxxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i thing 3.5 to 4.2&quot; displays are of enough size display with 720p or nhd for a mobile phone 
i dont want full hd display for smartphone ,which can drain your battery with 2x speed !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thing 3.5 to 4.2&#8243; displays are of enough size display with 720p or nhd for a mobile phone<br />
i dont want full hd display for smartphone ,which can drain your battery with 2x speed !</p>
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		<title>By: Janne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 02:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coming from the school of thought that learned early on the fallability of &quot;640K is enough for everybody&quot; types of statements, I&#039;d say there is no limit where displays can and will eventually go resolution-wise. Bigger and bigger displays are one driver, the quest for more natural image reproduction another - but also the human want of going beyond, improving... and marketing. Resolutions will grow just because they can grow. If at some point it becomes harder or pointless money-making-wise, or a little bit of both, like happened in the processor gigahertz race... Or if something really disruptive happens... We move on to something else, like 3D, holograms or maybe some future screens that have no pixels. But until then, grow the resolutions will, no matter how many will perceive the difference.

Having said that, if the success of Apple has taught us anything, there is and probably always will be a sweet-spot where the technology and liberal arts... sorry, humanity - or most of it - meet. When the first iPhone came along, it did push what the technology of the time could deliver. For example, the battery life was abysmal compared to the then-standard. But it did not push too much compared to what it could deliver in return. Had the iPhone had a battery life of five minutes, it would have been useless. But it had enough. Same with price, it was expensive but not too expensive compared to what it could deliver. Had it cost one million dollars a piece, it would not have been such a success. If the size of the screen (not that the resolution was anything big there) would have meant beautiful static images but crappy performance, it would have lost the charm completely. And so, just growing resolutions on a mobile device for the sake of it would not be wise. You have to make it count as a package.

Where does that sweet-spot lie, then, for a smartphone? I&#039;d say for a 3.5&quot; device Apple&#039;s iPhone 4/4S Retina (960 x 640, 326 ppi) has the resolution pretty much nailed (otherwise those screens don&#039;t compare all too well to AMOLEDs). Others of course made relevant ppi-to-eye-capability observations above, there is a limit beyond which the returns are diminshed. 300 ppi is quite common in printing too, I take, so perhaps there is some larger truth there. 300 ppi. More importantly, current mobile technology is not very well suited to running content at levels above that. As you take that sweet-spot to a larger frame, larger display, you obviously approach the 720p territory (1280x720), at 4.8&quot; the Galaxy S III has 306 ppi. Keeping things at the 300 ppi level and letting the rest of the technology catch up might be wise, and then perhaps push towards 400 ppi to loose the final traces of pixels for most people - maybe not beyond that. After that the improved performance could be directed towards improved content as opposed to improved pixel resolution, where it would make more sense.

Finally, the watching distance matters too, as observed in the home theater industry, so this depends on how the display is used. 
If it is placed right on the eye, more resolution is needed to reach the same natural-like image reproduction, than if the screen is a few meters away. So, the a lot will also depend on how mobile technology evolves.. Are we going to keep our displays an arms length away or somewhere else... Yet, even though many people do not see the difference between 720p and 1080p, the film and home theater industries are already moving towards 4K. And when 4K finally comes to that sweet-spot of usability and accessibility (including affordability) for your TV or projector, you will want it. You know you do. And when 4K comes to your phone, you will want it. You know you do. 1000 ppi.

And who knows, you might want to look at your images under a microscope or something. Reality does not stop at 1000 ppi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from the school of thought that learned early on the fallability of &#8220;640K is enough for everybody&#8221; types of statements, I&#8217;d say there is no limit where displays can and will eventually go resolution-wise. Bigger and bigger displays are one driver, the quest for more natural image reproduction another &#8211; but also the human want of going beyond, improving&#8230; and marketing. Resolutions will grow just because they can grow. If at some point it becomes harder or pointless money-making-wise, or a little bit of both, like happened in the processor gigahertz race&#8230; Or if something really disruptive happens&#8230; We move on to something else, like 3D, holograms or maybe some future screens that have no pixels. But until then, grow the resolutions will, no matter how many will perceive the difference.</p>
<p>Having said that, if the success of Apple has taught us anything, there is and probably always will be a sweet-spot where the technology and liberal arts&#8230; sorry, humanity &#8211; or most of it &#8211; meet. When the first iPhone came along, it did push what the technology of the time could deliver. For example, the battery life was abysmal compared to the then-standard. But it did not push too much compared to what it could deliver in return. Had the iPhone had a battery life of five minutes, it would have been useless. But it had enough. Same with price, it was expensive but not too expensive compared to what it could deliver. Had it cost one million dollars a piece, it would not have been such a success. If the size of the screen (not that the resolution was anything big there) would have meant beautiful static images but crappy performance, it would have lost the charm completely. And so, just growing resolutions on a mobile device for the sake of it would not be wise. You have to make it count as a package.</p>
<p>Where does that sweet-spot lie, then, for a smartphone? I&#8217;d say for a 3.5&#8243; device Apple&#8217;s iPhone 4/4S Retina (960 x 640, 326 ppi) has the resolution pretty much nailed (otherwise those screens don&#8217;t compare all too well to AMOLEDs). Others of course made relevant ppi-to-eye-capability observations above, there is a limit beyond which the returns are diminshed. 300 ppi is quite common in printing too, I take, so perhaps there is some larger truth there. 300 ppi. More importantly, current mobile technology is not very well suited to running content at levels above that. As you take that sweet-spot to a larger frame, larger display, you obviously approach the 720p territory (1280&#215;720), at 4.8&#8243; the Galaxy S III has 306 ppi. Keeping things at the 300 ppi level and letting the rest of the technology catch up might be wise, and then perhaps push towards 400 ppi to loose the final traces of pixels for most people &#8211; maybe not beyond that. After that the improved performance could be directed towards improved content as opposed to improved pixel resolution, where it would make more sense.</p>
<p>Finally, the watching distance matters too, as observed in the home theater industry, so this depends on how the display is used.<br />
If it is placed right on the eye, more resolution is needed to reach the same natural-like image reproduction, than if the screen is a few meters away. So, the a lot will also depend on how mobile technology evolves.. Are we going to keep our displays an arms length away or somewhere else&#8230; Yet, even though many people do not see the difference between 720p and 1080p, the film and home theater industries are already moving towards 4K. And when 4K finally comes to that sweet-spot of usability and accessibility (including affordability) for your TV or projector, you will want it. You know you do. And when 4K comes to your phone, you will want it. You know you do. 1000 ppi.</p>
<p>And who knows, you might want to look at your images under a microscope or something. Reality does not stop at 1000 ppi.</p>
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		<title>By: manu</title>
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		<dc:creator>manu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 02:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[human eye cant see beyond 350 or so ppi,especially on a small smartphone screen size like 5 inch full hd willbe useless.
A 4.5-4.7inch hd seems good 4.3 looks small by 2012 standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>human eye cant see beyond 350 or so ppi,especially on a small smartphone screen size like 5 inch full hd willbe useless.<br />
A 4.5-4.7inch hd seems good 4.3 looks small by 2012 standards.</p>
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		<title>By: mymo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mymo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The eye can&#039;t resolve more than a certain value of PPI at a given distance from the eye. I&#039;m not sure what it is but yes, there is a limit above which adding more pixels per inch wouldn&#039;t help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The eye can&#8217;t resolve more than a certain value of PPI at a given distance from the eye. I&#8217;m not sure what it is but yes, there is a limit above which adding more pixels per inch wouldn&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: Grazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i agree, even a 720p sky broadcast looks nice on my 46&quot; so when i put on a blu ray you would expect it to be twice as good but its not! and that&#039;s double resolution on a big screen!

saying that... you do have a phone right up to your face! whereas you sit some distance from your TV! So maybe 720p would be as far as it needs to go!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree, even a 720p sky broadcast looks nice on my 46&#8243; so when i put on a blu ray you would expect it to be twice as good but its not! and that&#8217;s double resolution on a big screen!</p>
<p>saying that&#8230; you do have a phone right up to your face! whereas you sit some distance from your TV! So maybe 720p would be as far as it needs to go!</p>
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