Rumours of Samsung bid for Nokia – er…Shut up and Keep your money!
Another day another rumour. Precisely one year ago, Nokia denied any possibility that Samsung were going to buy Nokia. Yet rumour has sprung up again. That shouldn’t be that surprising though.
It’s the hot topic of late that Nokia is the buy out target of some other bigger company. MS is a popular contender and many think Facebook might do it. Who can blame them – the situation for Nokia looks quite dire. Nokia know this, but the year has not ended yet, and there’s a better second half of the year to go if we are to believe Nokians.
kauppalehti.fi reckons Samsung is offering 4 Euros per share. That’s shy of just under 15 Billion and would make Samsung even stronger than they are now.
I’d like for once for Nokia to stay its course – no surprise negative strategical changes or a buyout. Just shut up and keep your damn money. I just want Nokia to show us the fruits of this strategy change. What’s the point of a difficult transition if you give up when it hurts and not stick around long enough to see the rewards. Yes, there’s only so much anyone can take but I just have a feeling Nokia’s really close to delivering.
This is the thing that worries me the most is that something will derail Nokia again from ever reaching the final stage of a strategy. I think/hope however that Nokians are confident that they have some great products to deliver in the second half of the year. Look what we’ve just seen happen to S40. Extremely good value for money products, very enticing to the 40 line up. What more for Nokia’s other plans, eh? We’re still yet to see the next billion stuff (the one that has Qt).
The only overtaking of Nokia by Samsung that I can bear for now in the headlines is the loss of the top mobile phone manufacturer crown. As we said before, Focus now on products, on customer satisfaction, on timely products (and the marketing to give all that ample awareness).
Source: kauppalehti.fi
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Leave Nokia alone! We don’t want your TouchWiz.
not to mention the cheap looking second rated UI, they completely ruined Meego. And cloned products with either not very well thought out (or stolen) design that can’t survive a few feeble drops.
What are you talking about?
Tizen has little to do with Vanilla MeeGo (MeeGoCE) except that it shares a similar organisational structure.
Plus many of the same co’s/orgs involved with MeeGo, are now involved with it.
But from a code-base standpoint they’re not related at all; entirely different dev env, libraries, widgets etc.
Some of the lowest lvl stuff in MeeGo (being FOSS) would’ve been pushed upstream, & so may have indirectly helped w/some Tizen work.
But none of the original UX code-base has been re-adapted for Tizen.
Much of that as continued on thanks to MeR + Nemo/Plasma (insert a FOSS UX here).
And Vanilla MeeGo for that matter had very little to do with MeeGo-Harmattan (aka Maemo 6x).
Harmattan is on the top and it is Nokia’s closed code. But below is just MeeGo. Tizen will put Bada or it’s elements instead of Harmattan on the top. That’s why soft if top layer will not collide will be compatibile or partly compatibile – this is very simplified of course, but more or less this will work this way.
Nokia have to eat a bitter pill of lesson how much have lost because of demolishing Symbian and MeeGo – could be a king and become almost a burglar.
Without customers base from Symbian&SXX plus MeeGo&Maemo is not able to survive as Windows does not generate added values, directly or indirectly, as those generate. Directly in form of income. indirectly in form of customer’s trust and involvement (so viral marketing), PR, which with money stream generate a level of trust in banks so creditting possibilities.
Nokia now can’t break with MS and also can’t rely only on Windows, it does not work. Can’t back to cooperation with Intel, just like a click also. So I think they will try to use MeeGo to establish on their on their own new creation of Meltemi which could be a “light” MeeGo, but more like Maemo, and will try to use some mechanisms from MS to make better model of making money from software. Finally it could have a chance to replace Symbian with lower models, so that would not be a competition for Windows. So Windows would be as all we can see now, and Meltemi would be a Symbian replacement. I think some partners from the past would trust this new idea, also as they woul like to be away from all-we-know-what.
This way contracts would not be broken, so no ned to pay damages, but Nokia could survive and get back to real game, not only as supported by 3rd party money gifts.
Of course those are only my speculations, nothing more.
Wrong, MeeGo is not “just below”….
To see where MeeGo went, see the MeR/Nemo project.
I’m sure low level stuff than went into MeeGo, is now in Tizen.
But that’s simply by virtue of works being pushed “upstream”.
You are right, I told it is very simplified.
Nemo is MeeeGo Community Edition, it can even be used with N9 preety soon, but this is entirely different thing then the Mer project is.
The Mer is aimed to become what MeeGo didn’t, so a kind of basis, all what is needed to built own mobile linux distribution by vendor like eg. Nokia, it does not contain any user interface, only more deeper layers . This can relise to be the most important legacy after MeeGo.
It also can provide a standard, what allow many mobiles models, even with different chips on the board, to use compatibile linux system, like Android does, and to create big base for developers to make money, like Android does.
Mer is supported bu Linux Fundation (also some parties which were supporting MeeGo before) and is governet meritoractically, not like MeeGo was. And meritocratical running of this project is the most important thing, as may allow it will be finished as it should be, and as the MeeGo wasn’t.
Yeah all that is more-or-less correct.
MeR provides the basis for Nemo.
Nemo is basically just the UX…
You can use Nemo on your N9 now if you want.
Not terribly polished though, doubt it ever will be.
i prefer that nokia wouldn’t be sold but if i have to choose between fb, ms and Samsung i choose Samsung
+1
it rises the chances for Qt and Harmattan to survive. Probably for Symbian too. At least some technologies behind it
+1
Samsung listens to its customers
same here. between, fb/ ms/ samsung we would chose samsung, but elop would will fall back on his old choice.
MS buying Nokia would be like opening a can of worms.. MS, Ballmer, Elop & Nokia board (Elop & Nokia are currently being sued in NY) would be under big lawsuits..
Facebook buying Nokia doesn’t make much sense to me.
Samsung buying Nokia would make more sense since Samsung can go through Nokia’s patents & use them in the fight against Apple and can also benefit from the awesome Nokia design team to get out products which aren’t a copy of iProducts. Also, Ssamsung may need the use of Meltemi or Maemo family OS to help grow Tizen & its bada range of devices..
is that rumor even worth posting here? just asking..
I am seeing tweets about it everywhere. I thought I’d not post so much about the rumour itself, but instead talk about all these rumours of a buy out in general and why Nokia shouldn’t accept. September is not so far away.
Finnish press takes every chance to make an article of Nokia. They are even posting when Lumia 900 drops or raises in Amazon top 10. This is one of the reasons why Nokia’s stock is dropping. Every “bad” thing is a huge setback and every “success” is just a minor victory.
This is the reason why Nokia World needs to be huge success. Even though I don’t look at specs of the phone, I have to say that next flagship needs to be at the same level with best Android hardware. Not because it’s needed, but because it shows to the stock holders and customers where WP8 can go.
I think next high end Lumia should have something like this:
-Good quality camera with customized Nokia Camera UI (For what I have heard SGS3 isn’t that great, but Lumia needs to be at the same level with iPhone 5)
-1.5Ghz dual core processor and 1GB to 2GB RAM
-4G
-4 to 4.5 inch screen (720p atleast)
-32 to 64 internal memory. Maybe a special edition with 128GB?
-They will most likely use N9 design, but they should release it in white, cyan and black at launch those are the most desired colors
And that’s about it. It doesn’t need to be more than that.
You mean just HW without OS? Thinking about it, it is not bad idea, maybe if they strip WP and put on shelves just the HW it could help the sales.
shut up samShit, u suck , ur products (mobile division) sucks, n stay away from Nokia
better than microsoft taking over, for me.
curse elop for messing things up.
sorry, what means SISU ON??
The original phrase was ‘Keep calm and carry on’. Sisu is a Finnish phrase, something about being gutsy, prevalent, persevering, courageous and with an element of not being brief but long term, and with that overcoming adversity.
Lol , That “sisu on” reminded me of term “susu” which in some parts of India means pissing
And we know how Nokia just not susu’ed but shitted also
P.S. – Remember what Anssi said about companies using Android
Where did my comment go? Jay, can you please look into this. I tried reposting it but got the duplicate comment and now can’t recover that post. So sorry if the other post comes up later..
MS buying Nokia is a no-go since MS, Nokia board\investors who forced for the recruitment of Elop, Ballmer & Elop himself will be under attack from other shareholders and lawsuits will be filed against them.
Samsung needing Nokia makes a lot of sense:
1. Samsung can use Nokia’s patents for its fight against Apple.. Nokia patents becoming Samsung’s would mean more power & since they own Nokia can mean they can up the terms on the Nokia-Apple cross-licensing deal.
2. Samsung requiring the hardware design team of Nokia to design products which didn’t resemble iProducts and also better quality products with Nokia’s procurement chains.
3. Nokia’s Maemo-family OS including Harmattan & Meltemi to make Samsung’s Tizen & Bada range of devices better so they can cut-off their dependence on Android & payments to MS for Android & WP.
4. Access to Navteq maps & NSN which would allow Samsung to grow its business.
Having said that, I hope Samsung (or anyone else for that matter) doesn’t buy Nokia ever..
this is an possibility now for many years off mistakes ,and flop also have his participation in Feb 11, for burning nokia, well we will see that where will go, but maemo harmattan was one way belle is another and MS is a hope dont proved yet, nokia will resist more damages? more falling down his portfolio ,who nows????is so sad and stupid how the first in the world goes down so fast.
where are the WP salvation???? and now WP fan boys how nokia will survive?
Is Q3 done yet? No? Come back later then.
What if Q3 doesnt improve at all?
Q3 may have a significant impact. WP8 has to be matured enough now that Nokia has had time to impact the development for a year. Mango clearly has not been: no global launch was possible, product differentiation opportunities were minimal (Ive talked with some sales guys in Finland an they have trouble selling 900 over 800 due to 150e price difference and only larger screen and FFC differentiating the devices=.
This means that Nokia has to:
– receive WP from MS during Summer
– need to have WP8 devices ready in August
– Has to be able to have a global launch
– No software issues such as with 800 and 900
Hold it right there, pardner!
We still have a long way to go!
Wait for 2016!
We will surely get them!
We will overcome!
Apple and Google will falter!
We will surpass iOS and Android!
We will show all of them!
If Nokia survives 2012…
I cant see this getting through competition authorities…allowing the largest and second largest mobile phone manufacturing to get together….really?
Elop finally got Nokia nailed. Hope meego and QT survives the stabbings.
hmm rumors of microsoft taking over nokia seems to stronger elsewhere, doing the rounds. if microsoft takes, over then its curtains for QT
Curtains for Qt in mobile, maybe… But Microsoft cannot destroy Qt no matter how much they try – the best they can manage is to force it out of their platforms, if they are crazy enough that is.
Microsoft taking over Nokia is unlikely scenario because:
a) Nokia already plays to every Microsoft whim, so no reason to buy them.
b) It could open some nasty investigations and land some key people behind the bars.
if ms ever buys nokia, I hope point b comes into play. after all, elop seem to have it all planned with charts and all, he even bought an oil rig to illustrate the burning of symbian platform.
Yes, Nokia needs to keep digging even bigger hole, because that is the sure way to get out of the hole.
But I think this is still too early for acquisition, few more quarters and Elop will cut the price even more, then the patent portfolio will be everything what is left from Nokia.
Few things to come back in INDIA for Nokia
*The Nokia Care in India is very very bad. I reported my Nokia N8 had camera problem. Got my mobile back after 1 month 7 days. check for more reports on Nokia India facebook page for many others.
* 2 weeks back | My bro wanted to buy lumia 610, so we went to check it out at Nokia Store. He said its not out yet and told me to go for lumia 710. I asked about Nokia 808 PureView Pre booking, he had NO Idea about Nokia 808 PureView. So i said to my self, better not ask for lumia 900
. And VERY VERY bad training or watevr dey call it, for selling a mobile.
* Try and get the USA sales more, as i noticed here,Android sales more in USA, people will go for it or follow the USA people
it depends on region to region my experience with nokia care has always been good just once or twice there a delay
at nokia priority in my region the salesmen are well trained he told me that pureview is coming in 2-3 weeks n here it is maybe launching on 13 n when i asked about 900 he said he had no idea coz 900 was not coming to india earlier as it was not listed on the website
many nokia stores turned into selling other phones because nokia phones were not selling enough! to make matters worse, they promoted the other ones more, the moment there was more demand
Nokia is in a mess.
Its killed symbian with feb 11 and then end with belle fp2.
Its killed meego with feb 11 and not releasing the n9 properly.
Its taken a 4 year $250m (a year) subsidiary for a product that the market doesn’t really want.
Also that product gets changed within a year with existing products not going to that newer software.
The above reads as a corporate mess. Board members should be fired. Alarmingly there is no plan B.
$1B a year.. ($250m a quarter)
Wow, it could be nice – to kick out HTML5 from Tizen, replace it with QML again! And continue from the point where MeeGo was killed!
No need to kick HTML5 from it – there are a lot of use cases where HTML5 is the most optimal solution for a given problem, and it can certainly accelerate the app releases for the platform due to low barrier of entry.
What is needed is to keep the proper GNU/Linux structure w/ X, or better Wayland, and Qt (and native C/C++, with a possibility of GTK as well) in it as a first-class citizen.
That would be the best of both worlds.
@incognito
What I’ve been hoping for is some kind of consolidation between OpenWebOS + B2G + Tizen.
They all use quite similar dev technologies/libraries…
I think for there to be a FULL FOSS/Linux stack that’s FINALLY commercially viable, & has momentum to take it to Android.
They need to merge into one entity and work together…
Ideally I’d love Meltemi to come to that party, but I don’t see how it really fits in that picture.
Plus Nokia’s never been truly been open to FOSS over the years.
And if anything they’re far less inclined to be so going forward.
At this moment of time I think the Mer project is the best perispective to combine them all if that would be possible.
Nah MeR’s too nerdy, no corporate know-how, it just wouldn’t work with big co’s like Samsung/HP etc.
Best doing it within the framework of Tizen, which is still very similar to how MeeGo was organised.
Or along the lines of how OpenWebOS or B2G is now being structured.
Ok, makes sense to have a decent HTML5 support – just apps has to be optimized for this system with same components and look and feel as QML. Native widgets as Qt and Gtk are non-sense on mobile platforms.
There is no `one size fits all` when it comes to programming. I don’t see the reason to restrict development in any way by banning some specific technologies or parts of them. Nokia (or Samsung in this case) can just pose guidelines for creating OS-wide consistent apps, devs could then choose should they obey them or not – if somebody wants a GTK calendar widget, why the hell not? Somebody else will create a nice, mobile/touch friendly widget and his app will be better received.
As long as a proper GNU/Linux foundation is there, no reason to restrict specific technologies. Let the users decide what style and apps they like the best.
@incognito
Your thoughts? Cheers.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/08/rumours-of-samsung-bid-for-nokia-er-shut-up-and-keep-your-money/comment-page-1/#comment-588216
why cant Nokia Just embrace android OS even and improve its sales? When you know Something is not working Better replace it when repairing helping. What do you say?
“haha. sorry kid. just can’t let than happen”
- elop
Android is a strategic dead end, genius. How many Android OEMs are growing sales besides Samsung?
I love it when a genius like you are able to detect other geniuses.
Android, Symbian and MeeGo (ASM). Anything but this hobbled dreck we have right now, posing as a Nokia FLAGSHIP handset that’s made by Compal.
A FLAGSHIP with so much less than what is found in mid range phones, be it Android, Symbian and MeeGo (ASM), incidentally the latter two of which are deemed dead OS.
Sometimes companies have to go out of business in order for us to discover how much we missed them. Nokia is one of those companies. I have many androids, Blackberry, and iPhone devices but I always come back to Nokia. I am one of those people who do not need my phone to do everything that my laptop does, but people like me are quickly becoming out numbered. If Nokia is no longer a brand after this year I will go to back to the Blackberry bold series and the Galaxy Nexus series with Samsung. I am currently using the E7 and N9 from Nokia. It hurt Nokia a great deal when they abandoned the meego OS. They could have marketed windows mobile 7 and meego OS and still had huge success. Nokia only have themselves to blame the fans and the new customers stated what we wanted Meego and a new look and feel to the symbian OS…Nokia turned away from those demands and now the ship is sinking. I will always stay loyal to a great company but will they stay loyal to us.
I hate it when I read the same comments over and over again (“Nokia should go Android”, “Elop killed this, Elop killed that”, “wp is shit” etc). IMO this type of articles should be avoided.
what if Sammy would make the bid? Should it be published?
Maybe its better to let the steam out
Samsung has absolutely no need for Nokia and I doubt it could derive much of value from Nokia. Samsung’s manufacturing process is now superior, its logistics and global reach are comparable, its brand name is comparable, it’s vastly more vertically integrated than Nokia, it can put products to market much more quickly, etc. Samsung is crushing Nokia in both the high and low end. It hardly needs to add an OEM manufacturer of handsets to its group of companies.
Only Nokia’s patents might be of value to Samsung but basically I don’t see any other OEM as a likely purchaser of Nokia.
Nokia is definitely worth something to a party like Microsoft. In this case the handset business is very important to them because they are barely hanging on in the mobile industry and the patents are doubly important in order to build up a defensive position. If anyone buys Nokia, Microsoft is the likeliest party, IMO.
Nokia may also be worth something to a party like Facebook – that’s far fetched but not impossible. It’s a totally different business and a very stupid way to enter the mobile industry for a company like Facebook, but then Facebook has proven that it’s incredibly eager to spend money on dubious acquisitions at ridiculous valuations.
A party like Google or Apple might be remotely interested from a patent perspective, but probably not. Both of those players have strong hands and Google already took out a patent-rich vendor in Motorola.
Bear in mind one final thought: Nokia has a big anchor around its ankles in the form of NSN. Very few parties are likely to be interested in that.
microsoft seems likely. if microsoft takes over , the trojan theory would have been fulfilled, as the biggest corporate coup the world has ever seen.
And when it doesn’t, and your theory is regarded as idiotic paranoia?
Let’s throw the rhetorical question back: And when it does, and your theory is regarded as idiotic astroturfing?
After very sharp drop of symbian or what they call the burning platform…
and WP going no where with Mango/tango 7.5….
Now Microsoft will try to acquire Nokia once and for all thanks to Elop…
“I’d like for once for Nokia to stay its course – no surprise negative strategical changes or a buyout. Just shut up and keep your damn money. I just want Nokia to show us the fruits of this strategy change. What’s the point of a difficult transition if you give up when it hurts and not stick around long enough to see the rewards. Yes, there’s only so much anyone can take but I just have a feeling Nokia’s really close to delivering.”
Preach it, Jay! Preach it!
+1024
I want to see Nokia stay the course as well and the rumor vultures circling can just f’off.
elop better do it.
it will be interesting if google buys nokia..
Rumors such like this could be a tool to generate Nok stock interest as well. So there you go and do the math
Next week another company is interested with 5Euro per share. Like it.
dosnt WP-only strategy means that Nokia already sold to MS?
they just have to do the money transfer and the deal is counted
If it was not 808, I would move back to Sony. Not for Android but for Sony’s designs language while keeping N8 of course. I might get a Sony/Sony Ericsson handset to stay in touch with the Productive part on mobility as I used to do with Sony Ericsson P1i (or Symbian UIQ). My key requirement options are not in N8/Symbian^3 and I cried about those a several times and I am not seeing them coming either.
N8 is not more than a PMP for me with Internet browsing feature and it begin to frustrate me more and more everyday because I used to do more on 4 years old handsets. Well!
Those 4 year old devices used to be Smartphones, devices for Work multifuntionals, and powerfull as a standalone device…
Todays “Smartphones” are just terminals that suck your money throug the Apps Store thing, without a Internet conection they’re just a beautifull and expensive paperweight (In the best case you get a decent gaming device)
Unfortunatelly these days are gone and it look like won’t come back
You are very right. Those were real deal. Now its not much but toys for users like us. Waiting and waiting that maybe something good come out but last 2 years were most pethetic years for the industry. Users who do other things are happy but there are no more things left for us. And its not like we demand very high out of the world tech, there are simple basic things.
100% agree with you. Offline, most devices nowadays are just plain dumb terminals. I can attest to that. Most files and even some contacts are not searchable when offline. Nokia N82 fortunately functions well offline. So does the voice command feature. Good old days. :-/