Nokia 808 PureView detailed impression
Here is a nice detailed look at the Nokia 808 PureView. Original text is in German but let the translator do the work to get the gist of it. It seems to make enough sense here (sometimes it mangles translations, sometimes it’s quite readable).
http://futurezone.at/produkte/9490-nokia-808-tolle-41-megapixel-im-symbian-kaefig.php#
The review mentions a flaw somewhere about not being able to use the front camera to take self portraits. I don’t know if that’s an error in translation but I was able to select the front camera when I had it.
They seem very pleased with the camera though the translator kinda jumbled up what they were trying to say there.
Thanks Dieter for the tip!
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Does it have 3D maps? No? It suckes then!
No, seriously though, iOS 6 update is garbage! A 3D gimmick and very few changes, Maps? Doesn’t have the streetview anymore, navigation is basic and doesn’t have the offline mode, WTF Apple!? Getting very stagnant.
Nokia and Microsoft have a good chance to strike back with WP8 and new series of Nokia phones with PureView.
I’ve yet to see if WP8 will include all those non restrictive features that I need
IT WILL..
Let’s hope you are right – otherwise it will be _very_ sad to Nokia…
The really funny question whether Meltemi will include all of them beforehand…
Yes in next 100 Years!
The list is on wpcentral and poweruser as a leak. It tops anyone.
It hurts to read the comments on their site, I wonder how such cellclusters are allowed to interact with their environment…
Jay, really you can use the ffc like a mirror?… That’s quite a good news for me, a remember nokia says thay it’s not possible…
I may have used it wrong but I remember playing about with the options and accidental switching on the front camera. It wasn’t a retail unit though so if it behaved differently that may be why. The only other phone I had with me was the L800 and that doesn’t have a front cam.
Thanks! Too bad they didn’t use a studio shot (preferably with fine detail, even more preferably with an ISO 12233 resolution chart); therefore, it’s very hard to properly compare the test shots they’ve made.
To me their test seems quite rubbish, what and how they write even more… They simply place assumptions all over the place.
Yup, photo / video gurus would have written a much better review with much more instructive test shots, let alone videos.
Jay did get any of that answers you were going to as at nokia? Like if the 808 is really the last symbian device?
The same nonsense as usual. The heeadline means
“41 Megapixel in the symbian-cage”
quote of the article:
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Die Symbian-Bremse
Das 808 nutzt als Betriebssystem “Symbian Belle”. Obwohl das Smartphone einen 1,3GHz-Prozessor und 512MB RAM hat, wirkt die Bedienung träge und umständlich – alles benötigt einen Klick mehr als bei anderen Handy-Betriebssystemen….
My translation:
The Symbian-brake
The 808 is using the “Symbian Belle” as OS. Although the 808 has an 1.3GHz CPU and 512MB RAM the usability feels slow and intricate. Everything needs a click more than on other systems….
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I bet they have never used “Belle” or even “Anna”. It’s the same roumoring than on other sites.
IMHO the whole article is not worth to be mentioned here at MNB.
“IMHO the whole article is not worth to be mentioned here at MNB.”
Unfortunately, as there still isn’t a review done by a pro photo/videographer, we need to put up with these semi-”reviews”…
I wish people would at least use ISO 12233 resolution charts.
It’s not necessary to have a “pro photo/videographer”.
It just needed some objectivity instead of being just the first one.
I thought these guys did a good job.. best one so far
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nokia-pureview-808-41mp-first-impressions-review-19289
Looks like a no brainer to buy compared to those other cameras. Bring it to the u.s.
Thanks, nice review.
From all the comparisons I’ve seen so far it seems the image quality in general is excellent with the exception of a slightly dissapointing dynamic range. The colors are not vibrant enough (and I’m not talking about in comparison with oversaturated smartphone cameras, but DLSRs etc). I hope that’s something that can be improved over time with software adjustments. If I’m not mistaken the 808 doesn’t have a HDR mode :/
A similar discussion took place with N8.
The vibrant colours are probably post processing effects. Very often these “more vibrant” are some kind of “overcolored” or “overvibrant”. Nokia decided already with N8-standard-setting to stay more natural. But if you like it more vibrant, on N8 you can find an option for this in the camera-settings.
But 808 can shoot “brackets”. You can (propably) combine them seperately on pc for HDR-pics. To render them on the 808 it needs a lot of RAM and CPU-Power (The app CameraPro for N8 has an Option for HDR-rending on the device, but has problems to work in bigger resolutions than 2MPix due the lack of RAM). I don’t know how iPhone4 manage this.
The 808 takes the DSLR route for HDR – bracketed images, so you can then generate the HDR image on your PC, and likely get much better results than you would from the iPhone.
I’m liking the colours – they strike me as being natural. The comparison done against the NEX-5 was interesting, as for the most part I didn’t think the NEX-5 did a good job with its colour balance.
just like the n8, the colors tend to be one the cool/blue side.. but they are much closer to a dslr than any other phone, most phones over saturate
I looked at the pictures and i found many to be out of focus on the 808.
I guess that they didn’t know how to use focus on the 808.
Maybe it’s just hard to do that with the 808? That kind of aperture is not helping with focusing but it’s not something making it impossible.
forget them. Futurezone is something like austrias engadet.
I can’t use the front facing camera! Can someone help?!
Maybe jay can help you but again going back to what nokia said before it’s not possible fcc is for video call only but jay was able to use it so try to explore more or maybe and i hope there is or there wil be an app for that…
To me as a German native the article wasn’t to bad. Of course it is not carried out by a professtional photographer, but it’s rather honest and not to biased. Still I wonder why they rate Belle as slow. Probably they did not kill tasks in the background? But the overall impression of a stock Nokia Belle (FP1) phone is probably not the very fastest on the market. Of course you can pimp that by using e.g. Opera instead of the stock Belle Browser, but I think nobody will argue that the stock Belle browser even on the 808 is faster than the one on a SGSIII or iPhone4S (what can be assumed state-of-the-art). And that’s the overall impression the 808 leaves to a person that is not a Nokia-Fan knowing how to customize the device to his needs.
Nokia Belle devices are not very suitable for the average user today. My sister asked me for a phone with a very good camera because she heard that they are getting as good as point and shoots, but I have a hard time recommending the 808 because I don’t know whether she’ll be happy with it. Not because of the camera of course.
Would you recommend the 808 to anybody or just mobile enthusiasts?
I’m a German native too. The article lacks neutral information in central points. Maybe the browser is not the best horse running (still). But the browser is one thing, the whole OS is another thing. IMHO it is problematic to blame the whole OS because of the browser.
It is always the same rubbish, the “lame symbian”.
Other users say “belle” on a 701 is on par with at least gingerbread in terms of “smootheness”. And gingerbread is very well known for it’s “laggyness” isn’t it?
I would recommend 808. Not for everyone (e.g. not for gamekids). But for serious users, which need an every day working TOOL I would recommend it for sure.
Yeah, your right regarding the article. Also the site is known not to be the best one for tech geeks. But I think it represents the opinion of the broad audiance quite well.
For me personally, I just don’t know whether my sister would be happy with it – as probably 90% of all people she doesn’t necessarily need a tool, although she’d probably use it if it was very simple to use. Don’t know whether that is true in Symbian – altough I personally like Belle…
GSM Arena will have a great review when they habe one. They have yet to review FP1 equipped handset. They also do strict audio, video and still test and constantly do shootouts to compare.
I am really hoping Dpreview would take the 808 for a spin.. that would be a proper camera review..
Downloaded full gallery and all I can say is those PureView images (both 5MP and 8MP) are quite blurry comparing to non-pureview ones (38MP). I guess “perfect pixel” is not so perfect after all, more like a marketing gimmicks.
Cheers,
Miki
Well, it’s not a fault of the camera but that of the photographer. I’ve made tons of shots at MWC and pixel binning worked just great. (Have you read my articles / seen my shots?)
well, I thought that too but EVERY PureView image looking blurry and EVERY non-pureview looking great? That’s strange.
Cheers,
Miki