CNet: Nokia 808 PureView vs Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5
Here’s the Nokia 808 PureView against a higher end compact camera.
Even the 38MP full shot was better in low light than the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5. They confirm that indeed, PureView mode – i.e. stepping down to 8MP or 5MP produced better results. That’s because it’s using PUREVIEW. That’s the whole point.
Based on the 808′s image samples shot in different resolutions, we discovered that one could get the best quality when shooting at the base resolution (5 megapixels). In fact, shooting at full resolution (38 megapixels) yielded noisier results and softening of detail, especially at high ISOs.
http://asia.cnet.com/shootout-nokia-808-pureview-vs-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx5-62216561.htm
Conclusion? Regarding image quality, CNET says 808 can replace your point and shoot.
we think that the Nokia PureView is capable of replacing your regular compact camera, where image quality is concerned. The smartphone impressed us with its excellent low-light performance and image detail which we attribute it to its large 41-megapixel image sensor.
http://asia.cnet.com/shootout-nokia-808-pureview-vs-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx5-62216561.htm
But they still recommend not ignoring the Panasonic for additional manual controls.
Please note however, the 808 PureView is also a smartphone with a nice 4″ display and is always in your pocket.
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Next to the Nokia PureView 808, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 dont even look that “compact”
Just curious, what manual controls are missing? Is it something third party developers can add in?
You could add in shutter speed, but you’ll never have aperture control on the 808, as it doesn’t have variable aperture.
There’s also colour temperature missing from manual controls.
I wonder why Nokia would not add that option. That would simply resolve the quest for a warmer tone coming from some users.
Yeah, the 808 produces some astonishing images. Sure hope it would be possible to manufacture one without the hump and without the Symbian. Without those the 808 would be a really great mobile phone. However it’s still a pretty good camera. Nokia will surely get some sales to people acquiring a digital camera capable of making phone calls.
Yeah, I have mentioned this before. However after those news from yesterday it’s just fair to talk about this subject. Nokia should really bring the large sensor and the PureView effect for the Windows Phone. That would give the platform some traction and it would help to save Nokia. Manufacturing the PV for an obsolete platform is not a viable option for a long term.
Couple of facts for you:
1. The lump is due to the camera module. There is no way to pack the 41MP pureview sensor in a module thinner than that.
2. WP in the current version isn’t capable of handling the data from the camera. Nokia did try to develop one but found it impossible for the OS to handle the data from the camera module. The ancient Symbian was able to do it. Tell MS to develop the OS to allow that (Sady, Nokia can’t even do that for themselves now).
Sure, it’s not possible to make it thinner. That’s why the 808 is too thick. They are simply losing sales because it’s huge.
It’s sad the Windows Phone can’t handle the data from the camera module. They are losing sales because of that. Now they are also losing sales because of Symbian’s bad reputation.
This is a niche-phone if ever there was one; it’ll sell fine to people hungry for a fantastic cameraphone, and won’t sell to people who value a plethora of apps over everything else.
To each his own…
The 808 will showcase Nokia’s new camera technology to the world (it’s doing it already), and pave the way/wet the appetite for Nokia’s coming WP8 phones.
Consider it an appetizer, if nothing else…
Well, losing sales… Who is Lord US to safely assume that it’s losing sales because it’s huge?
Anyway, I guess you’re right, let me rush to something a lot smaller, let’s say:
One X
Galaxy S II, III
Razr
Man, I wonder why you come everyday here to criticize this phone?
Is it hate or love?
LOL
Lord US comes from US, I suppose
He’s brain is washed by US centric advertisements of WP. Nobody is buying WP, so how it would help Nokia? Lumia is not selling because it’s WP based. My wife’s company stopped buying phones from Nokia mostly because symbian software isn’t available for current Nokia phones (70x symbian based aren’t available), nobody cares about US centric app-store which ignores another nations, their languages and local services. It pisses me off when somebody is telling about WP.
It’s one small centimeter thicker than the N8…
Are everyone in the world wearing tight emo jeans these days or something? I honestly don’t get it.
I think you’re twisting the facts a bit. From what I’ve read, Nokia didn’t have the ability to have so much data processed at decent speed with any chip and thus they’ve a custom designed co-processor just for the camera. The reason why 808 is running Symbian is because the PureView was in the pipeline before their deal with Microsoft and that also implies the second and main reason, Nokia had too little time with Windows Phone.
I will explain the second reason: In order to utilize the custom co-processor Nokia (or even Microsoft) needs to implement low level changes to the Operating System. Nokia has those privileges due to their deal with Microsoft but they’ve had too little time to do so so far.
The PureView technology is coming to the Windows Phones as has been noted in many interviews already. But the interviews have noted that the WP PureView will have a much smaller resolution (12-14MP). I don’t know the reason why but my guess would be either Nokia wants to push out the PureView WP phones out fast and use the branding for marketing purposes (but still implementing a little bit of the PureView oversampling magic) or they want to keep the prices low on their PureView Lumias while they’re trying to fight to the top with their Lumia brand.
I’m not twisting anything. The PureView has its own chip for extra processing but till utilizes the phone’s GPU for some processing.. They found that none of the current WP chips were able to do it. Those chips were less powerful & only supported 720p video. Sure, it took 5 years to develop and used Symbian as its OS but the current releases of PureView of some extent (and not 808′s one) is more to do with WP’s shortcoming than anything..
Also, having a 41MP WP will be a real USP and would give it a big flagship using which Nokia would be able to sell more WPs in general.
5 years of custom development, custom processor and drivers built around Symbian cannot be ported to ANY other OS overnight.
5 years developing the tech, that doesn’t meant it can ber ported, specially since what you will port are the alghorithm, that’s the thing that make the magic the custom DSP (the co-processor) is the one in charge to execute the algorithm, and the one to blame for the PureView not coming for Windows Phone; Windows Phone is an OS designed to run on a very restricted combination od chipsets, and those chipsets can’t handle the PV algorithm at enought speed to bring a product that meet minimun behaviour, sure if they wanna they can try, but it will be like trying to run the lastest a most demanding video games on an 4 year old computer, it can ru, but it will do at a really slow an unpleasant pace
The biggest technical weakness in WP7 is that it’s based on WinCE. No matter how MS dresses up WP with fancy terms or titles, WinCE is technical weaker than symbian, meego, android and iOS.
I am not lying. MS will have no choice but to transit WP towards being NT based, maybe WP8 will be shift away from WinCE
What is the actual problem of the WinCE?
“I am not lying. MS will have no choice but to transit WP towards being NT based, maybe WP8 will be shift away from WinCE”
That quote should be enough that even MS knows that NT is the right path. Now even if you keep “pretending” to not understand go ahead and google it , better yet go ahead and bing it.
Yeah. I can say that Symbian is a mess and Nokia had no choice but to switch for the Windows Phone. Maybe I’ll explain that after you have explained what is actually wrong with the WinCE?
1,5 year is enough time to rewrite code. They didn’t do it because it’s impossible.
I’m so tired to hear “symbian outdated” bullshit.. especially when it compared to wp7 which is based on stone aged wince kernel which is not even able to support multicore (one of the reasons why its not possible to build PV on top of wp7)
what are that knockers even heard abot RTOS, microkernel and so on?
NONE of the current wide spread mobile OSes cant be even close to the Symbian internals!
So please, if you dont understand what are you talking about just keep your mouth shut
thanks
+1, n95 has multicore, one for baseband, another one for apps. There is also GPU.
Symbian is outdated because it’s lacking the modern features the competition has. The real problem is that the consumers consider Symbian as a piece of crap. I’m sorry to tell you that. You can check that public opinion just by looking how Nokia’s market share eveolved in the last few years.
Symbian was losing market share long time before the burning platform memo emerged. Here is a nice chart you probably haven’t seen before.
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/.a/6a00e0097e337c88330167671c9e48970b-pi
Nokia was losing to the competition. Nokia is losing to the competition.
Nokia is losing with the Symbian. They are currently losing with the Windows Phone. The difference between those two is that it’s cheaper to lose with the Windows Phone. Yeah, developing Symbian cost tons of cash. It took insane amounts recources and distracted the management to believe it was competitive. Those ads for promoting the Windows Phone cost peanuts compared to the development costs of the Symbian.
Nokia was allways measuring the success by looking at the market share. You may remember the ultimate goal of the global market share of 40% Nokia had? That was not about profits or revenues. It was about the market share.
It wasn’t Elop’s decision. Someone else is to blame.
What modern features does Symbian lack? Public opinion is important but facts are more important, e.g. the earth is not flat. Please do yourself a favour and not make a fool of yourself.
“Please do yourself a favour and not make a fool of yourself.”
That’s too late and impossible when it comes to Lord US.
Symbian is lacking modern facial recognition and modern voice integration to start with. In addition it is lacking a vast library of applications the competition has.
From the user’s point of view it doesn’t matter why the application support is missing. Yeah, it’s not actually a feature of the OS but you can’t get those applications for Symbian. The lack of applications makes Symbian incomplete.
Symbian has been losing market share for years. At the same time the competition had more applications and all those nice features it was missing. Now it has some of those features but the competition has new ones.
If Symbian is lacking applications, then give Symbian some positive PR and we’ll see third party developers fill those gaps.
Symbian development tools and features as an OS is not lacking. The OS lacks proper management support and proper PR.
You can’t get developers to make application for the Symbian. Some random applications perhaps but not in volumes.
Too many people consider Symbian as a piece of crap. That’s why Nokia can’t sell handsets and that’s why developers are avoiding Symbian.
Nokia killed Symbian with the N97.
bla-bla-bla
elop’s BS again
what features? exactly? multitask? USB OTG? hdmi out? what else? camera?
regarding Symbian development: have you ever compared sources trees of symbain, linux and wince for example? ever? I dont think so, so why to repeate again and again that marketing nonsense from guy who come to Nokia to destroy it and sell for penny to ms just for IP portfolio? (usual ms tactics)
Symbian has those secondary features like USB OTG and ‘true’ multitasking. Features most of the consumers seem to ignore.
Would you try to convince a regular customer to buy one of those Symbian devices by making him/her to compare the source codes? Really, what makes someone to think comparing source codes improves Symbian sales?
It’s easy to blame Elop. However Symbian was rapidly losing market share before Elop was hired.
Exactly, you so funny
yes please, put pureview into wp asap before its too late,
Your are sick and we are doctors
Did you buy NOK shares?
Good luck and go ahead dude, it’s getting cheaper everyday. /s
I think a pureview 808 with its complete spec but with N9 meego OS would be great phone
Symbian Belle FP1 is already very good, and it will be more better with the FP2 update (swipe like MeeGo, new keyboard…)
To understand Elop’s logic, one of the key things Id like to know was, that had PV been in the process to be brought to Harmattan early 2011?
Q1/Q2 2012 would’ve been feasible, def. not 2011.
But we’ll never know, that’ll forever remain locked-up or lost
PV_Light (TM) I mean, not 808′s implementation.
it’s a shame that’s never going to happen. i wouldn’t even care if the n9 didn’t have pureview, a successor to that phone would make many people happy
Microsoft won’t be able to make winphone support PV Pro for another year.. they will play with the marketing of it, so there will be a 12-20 “off the shelf” sensor that they will call PureView, but the 808 will still be much better. I am glad the N9 and the 808 projects were that far advanced, so Elop couldn’t stop them
now we have real examples of what could have been, and we can also compare if the WP options are better.
So far we know that the lumia 800 might be a little better than the N9 in certain situations, but its a close call. Now is time to see the difference between the WP based pureview, and the Symbian based one.
I don’t think the 41MP sensor will ever find a way into WP. There is a reason why the 41MP sensor has been named PureView Pro & all Nokia executives talk ” its not the sensor but the technology which is more important. PureView will come to WP but not the 41MP sensor”.
The real reason is that the 41MP sensor costs too much money. The best way to cut costs is to make it smaller.
That’s what Nokia is all about. Cutting costs.
With the 808 it doesn’t matter so much because they are probably planning to produce the 808 in small quantities. That will most likely match the demand since very few regular customers will buy it. The 808 is a niche product.
Nope, nobody likes a phone with a ‘hump’, difficult to sell.
There is your reason for future models to be below 41mp.
The average consumer is still blown away by 8mp phones like the ip4 anyway.
lol.. but honestly, I find that hump beautiful.
Me too.
me three
Mee 4
A phone with a hump is a difficult design to sell. However that’s not the most important reason for smaller sensors. They don’t care about the designs that much.
Most consumers are happy with a 5MP sensor with a great display. A 41MP sensor with a low quality display makes people wonder if that other phone with a 5MP sensor is the better one.
That’s why the competition is selling so well. They offer balanced products.
Hump? Difficult to sell?
Customer: “Urgh! Why does that phone have such a big hump?”
Nokia: “That hump is the module for the most f***ing amazing camera ever fitted to a phone and it kicks seven bells of shit out of any other phone you can buy today, or in the next five years. You dig?”
Embrace the hump. There’s no need to excuse it.
That’s how you lose customers.
An average customer listens all that technical mumbo jumbo and chooses a handset made by the competition. The competition has so much better screen and it feels nice without the ugly hump.
In addition the average customer remembers how everyone was telling that Symbian and/or Nokia is crap.
The N97 destroyed the rest of Symbian’s reputation. It was all gone after that one.
Keep repeating the N97 destroyed Symbian.
It’ll not be long when all terms and mantras will be ineffective in hiding
the evilness of Elop.
Notice the word PrObLEm has the letters elop spelled backwards. Nokia’s biggest PrObLEm is Elop.
Burn all bridges, burn all bridges, burn all bridges to the Platform.
The N97 was the last straw. Symbian had a bad reputation before that one. Just see how Nokia was losing market share before Elop’s reign.
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/.a/6a00e0097e337c88330167671c9e48970b-pi
As you can see Nokia was losing market share long time before Elop was hired.
Let’s keep repeating the mantra “Nokia was losing market share before Elop’s reign”.
Losing market share but increasing sales. Every product with good sales can be improved and should be improved with proper coders and proper roadmap.
Only a stupid person kills their business on a promise of a future business, this is not rocket science.
Nokia was also losing sales before Elop was hired. Nokia was improving on units sold but that’s just units. They were losing revenue and losing market share. That’s all that matters.
If you look at the market share graph you can see how the decline was inevitable. Symbian has a very bad reputation. That’s why Nokia can’t sell those handsets.
@Lord US, They were only losing market share due to the rapid inflation of the smartphone market. They were not losing unit sales, ASP, revenues or profit – in fact, it was steadily increasing, just not at the pace of market growth. Stop fabricating.
Since Feb’11 all four parameters dropped drastically, and the market share decrease rapidly accelerated.
Nokia’s average selling price was falling before the burning platforms memo. They were losing revenue. Sure, you can find a quarter or two they improved on sales. In the long run it was a downfall. Just look how Nokia’s revenue and average selling price dropped between 2009 and 2012.
If you want to stay competitive you have to keep the market share or high profits. Nokia was not able to maintain any of those. Without the market share or the profits you can’t keep up with the competition.
Nokia was falling behind. Symbian^3 was not able to compete with the competition.
The 211 didn’t cause this problem. Nokia was losing sales because people considered Symbian as a piece of crap. This happened before and after the 211.
@Lord US
Starting a new thread so that, hopefully, the data can be rendered correctly.
Here’s some Nokia smartphones stats for you, 2009-2012:
If you can’t see what Elop has caused just when Nokia began to recover from generally grim 09′Q3-10′Q2 (which got OPK fired!), you are either blind, or a shill. If you can’t see that OPK was far better than Elop, and OPK was terrible, congratulations, you are a certified Elop apologist. Your Goebbels-like mantra of N97 being responsible for everything and Elop being a savior does not fit the facts and I’m done with spending my time throwing pearls before your kind.
Now please, kindly, shut up.
Let’s see Q2Q changes in ASP. All handsets are included in years form 2007 to 2008
2007/2008
Q1 89/79 (-11%)
Q2 90/74 (-18%)
Q3 82/72 (-12%)
Q4 83/71 (-14%)
2008/2009
Q1 79/65 (-18%)
Q2 74/62 (-16%)
Q3 72/62 (-14%)
Q4 71/64 (-10%)
2009/2010
Q1 190->155 (-18%)
Q2 181->143 (-21%)
Q3 190->133 (-30%)
Q4 186->156 (-16%)
2010/2011
Q1 155->147 (-5%)
Q2 143->142 (-1%)
Q3 133->131 (-2%)
Q4 156->140 (-10%)
2011/2012
Q1 147->142 (-3%)
As you can see, lately Nokia’s ASP has been dropping with a much slower pace compared to the time when OPK was leading the company.
Well. How about revenues?
Devices & Services
2007/2008
Q1 8163->9263 (+13%)
Q2 9163->9090 (-1%)
Q3 9238->8605 (-7%)
Q4 11141->8141 (-27%)
2008/2009
Q1 9263->6173 (-33%)
Q2 9090->6586 (-28%)
Q3 8605->6915 (-20%)
Q4 8141->8179 (+0%)
2009/2010
Q1 6173->6663 (+8%)
Q2 6586->6800 (+3%)
Q3 6915->7174 (+4%)
Q4 8179->8499 (+4%)
2010/2011
Q1 6663->7087 (+6%)
Q2 6800->5467 (-20%)
Q3 7174->5392 (-25%)
Q4 8499->5997 (-29%)
2011/1012
Q1 7087->4246 (-40%)
As you can see, Nokia has been losing revenues almost all the time. The decline with the revenues stopped in 2010 when the company lowered prices. Soon after that OPK got fired for selling handsets with a too small margin.
Later on Nokia’s revenues continued to collapse when the company was not lowering prices in an attempt to keep the market share. This was also the moment Android devices were hitting 100$ and Nokia was no longer able to compete against them with Symbian.
And yeah, they were also losing market share since 2009. That’s bad.
This is a long lasting trend. They have to cut costs.
Man you’re such an idiot, incognito started a new thread here tool
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/15/cnet-nokia-808-pureview-vs-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx5/comment-page-1/#comment-597624
Your rebuff made zero sense, incognito’s was clear as day.
So, you hate to see how Nokia was in a decline long before Elop?
Please read the numbers.
No, it’s just sad that you totally ignore the point incognito made, & make your own point which does nothing to counter his.
But then again this is YOU we’re talking about, the biggest ignoramus in the entire blogosphere.
Nokia was collapsing long time before Elop. Incognoto tried to forget that. Just see how the average selling price was collapsing every single quarter between 2008 and 2012. That’s because the high end was suffering.
The N97 was the last straw. Symbian already had a very bad reputation before that one.
It’s nice to see how civilized you are. You are surprisingly eager to talk about me instead of Nokia. This is a blog about Nokia.
What you fail to comprehend, is that Nokia was acutely aware of that LOOONG before you & your tiny brain were.
Which is why they had a well organised plan to deal with that, they just lacked the gonads to push ahead with it.
In light of the delay to Maemo 6x, a tweaked form of that plan could’ve emerged, instead a totally biased & poorly nuanced once did.
They had lots of plans. They didn’t deliver. The competition was delivering superior products.
That’s why Nokia’s market share was plummeting long time before Elop was hired.
Nah, shareholders panicked and Elop took his chance….
You can’t say they didn’t deliver when there wasn’t an opportunity to finish executing, not even close.
Lets try something else for a change…..
I won’t pretend to know where Nokia’s headed from this horrid spot (not that I ever do)…
So long as you don’t pretend to know what would’ve happened if Nokia tweaked the original strategy or devised a dual OS one.
High pixel count is the only way to do digital zoom with any quality loss.. which is pretty much the whole point of this. So a lower pixel count won’t cut it… its simple math.
*without
Jay, go discuss
Exactly correct. Pureview could be more related to sensor/pixel/scaled pixel size going forward also. So the 12-14mp suggesting may be on a sensor in the same purview size range, but with WAY less pixels and less zoom, but same quality that can be expected from such a huge 1″ sensor. Low light could probably IMPROVE with a more standard 1″ 12mp sensor. No zoom, but awesome quality.
The problem is that 1″ sensor (regardless of how many pixels it has) will require the hump, that all the WP folks are so horrified about. Laws of physics necessitate it. The bigger the sensor the thicker phone needs to be.
You wanna keep the thickness down to Galaxy S3 or iPhone 4 levels? You have to use a smaller sized sensor. A lot smaller. Galaxy S3 and iPhone 4S both use a sensor as tiny as 1/3.2″. That won’t give you many megapixels, if you want same sized pixels as in 808. You would get maybe something like ~1 Mpix (1183 x 887 pix) in the PureView mode and 8 Mpix (3264 x 2448 pix)in the normal mode.
Def. not better with photos, that’s already been well estb. here & elsewhere.
Better vid. recording/playback? Absolutely…
And I doubt that gap will ever be closed, now that the harmattan team’s almost totally non-existent.
Sad nokia belle does not have stardict app
it does
there is no real pureview coming for WP this year. Also this pureview “hype” wont do any good as it’s in dead product to start with.
Also camera still is not a key point for most customers and they are happy with thin phones with iphone4 quality video/photos. So it really does not matter for WP8 devices they just need same quality as iphone5 has.
dsmobile: what more on the Symbian front ? any idea ?
there is nothing in symbian front. 808 is the end.
There is no future in any front only Microsoft. Nokia scrapped all “future disruption” projects and they wont spend money on OS development in future only use what Microsoft manage to make for them.
Nokia only will do small HW related SW development in maps,network,imaging projects.
can you share something about meltemi/linux os and/or smarterphone..??
Other than it’s dead?
is Belle FP2 the end ?
so when Elop said that meego is going to be a future disruption, he pretty much told a straight lie. I knew it right away, but.. not cool man, not cool at all.
808 is alive, and that is all that matters.
Its got features like no other phone, and I don’t mean only the camera. Of course it would be nice, IF Nokia had a CEO that thought the NOKIAS investors best interests and Symbian, harmattan and Nokias OWN software market would still be alive too. But I will buy 808 for its features and also just to do my meaninglessly small part to rebel ms Elops evil intentions.
Exactly..
i am on it .. i got a white n9, now a white 808.. saving my n8 and e71 .. real nokia phones
from here on out, at least in my eyes, all the windows nokia are only 50% Nokia…
At the moment, it’s more like 10% Nokia – the shell design and small bits of software. Everything else is done either by Microsoft, or by Compal and the likes…
Sigh…..
And yet the 808 is Singapores (SGBest) Top Selling Phone.. Helped, no doubt by the swarms of Aussies buying them from there.
Just found out that Singtel is the only telco in Singapore to offer Nokia 808. Yet, it is out of stock now. =(
Sold out in Finland too, and I have hard time finding a place where the next batch isn’t reserved too.
“Based on the 808′s image samples shot in different resolutions, we discovered that one could get the best quality when shooting at the base resolution (5 megapixels). In fact, shooting at full resolution (38 megapixels) yielded noisier results and softening of detail, especially at high ISOs.”
Conclusion? People at CNet are clueless idiots. Not that it surprises me. It seems tech media is full of clueless idiots from Engadget & Gizmodo to CNet.
You would think that they’d put at least the little effort it takes to figure out what 808 PureView is all about. But no. And these people get published and paid! That’s the craziest thing.
you know why nokia failed in the US market? because everyone wanted what was cool, not necessarily what worked. everyone is jumping on the apple or andriod wagon to brag; my phone has a quad core processor, or my phone has siri. in the end it’s all pretty useless. no one stopped to think about what they were buying into. sure symbian lacked apps, but all the main ones were there, they are built in. IMO symbian is the most effient OS in the game right now; it does exactly what i need it to do. i dread the day i’ll have to use anything else.
Everyone wanted something that was pleasant to use. People wanted a smooth UI and a great default browser. Some even wanted applications and regular users consider applications as features.
Meanwhile Nokia was offering useless features like USB OTG, uncompatible HDMI connectors and ‘true multitasking’. Most consumers never understood what is a ‘true multitasking’ because the competition works just fine for them.
That’s why Nokia has been losing market share for years before the burning platform memo. Symbian lost the rest of it’s credibility when the N97 was released.
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/.a/6a00e0097e337c88330167671c9e48970b-pi
Just look at the chart. Nokia was losing the game before Elop was hired.
Losing market share but increasing sales. Every product with good sales can be improved and should be improved with proper coders and proper roadmap.
Only a stupid person kills their business on a promise of a future business, this is not rocket science.
Nokia failed in the US because they were too arrogant to pay attention to the US Market. Devices coming out much later or never or hampered in some way. Also, they were and are too arrogant to follow trends. They ignore popular trends and refuse to react and adapt quickly enough to get some of the attention too, regretfully making themselves slowly irrelevant to consumers.
They were very bold not to bend to easily to the carriers. If you don’t make friends with carriers in the US you’re not going to get anywhere.
BTW, if you dread the day about using something else, what are those key essential things that are not available on any other platform except Symbian? Those should be things Nokia promotes then.
@Lord US
Starting a new thread so that, hopefully, the data can be rendered correctly. (why it nested it above I have no idea)
Here’s some Nokia smartphones stats for you, 2009-2012:
If you can’t see what Elop has caused just when Nokia began to recover from generally grim 09′Q3-10′Q2 (which got OPK fired!), you are either blind, or a shill. If you can’t see that OPK was far better than Elop, and OPK was terrible, congratulations, you are a certified Elop apologist. Your Goebbels-like mantra of N97 being responsible for everything and Elop being a savior does not fit the facts and I’m done with spending my time throwing pearls before your kind.
Now please, kindly, shut up.