Video: Ask Elop-
So the Nokia Youtube channel just uploaded a video about a bunch of people asking Elop questions and him responding through the video, some informative bits and pieces amongst the usual vague generic replies (BTW is it just me or is Elops voice TOO calm, he shows no emotion when talking- would be great for an audiobook reader though “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phenoix, read in the voice of Stephen Elop” I’d buy that).
Here’re some random points if you decided to skip the 11 minutes of video (not exact quotes more of gists of the idea).
Nokia Lumia Phones coming to Verizon w/ PureView tech?
Nokia’s main goal in the US is to get their phones subsidized by carriers, rather than the usual approach; which means it’s in our best interest to get as many carriers on board while providing each carrier with a unique device, PureView sets Nokia apart from the pact; and you WILL see this technology coming to other Nokia devices.- Likelyhood of Verizon phone Very high, Likelyhood of PureView Lumia: inevitable.
Will Nokia make NFC standard in all future phones?
YES, there are unlimited potentials for NFC in the future, and Nokia with it’s NFC technology are prepared to greet the NFC age (currently 8 Nokia smartphones with NFC and loads of Accessories)
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Nice but Nokia please also make a video for sharholders, I bet you will get alot of questions…
-10% just today, broken history low record, and that’s all without any major announcement from Nokia. One can only imagine what will be on 19. July when Nokia releases Q2 results…
Honestly, if you were Elop, would you even dare to show up in front of shareholders, let alone make a ‘promo’ video of it?
They will have third in a row profit warning end June, early July before the quarterly reporting.
There is nothing left to warn about Q2, so I don’t expect anything official from Nokia until Q2 results set for 19. July. I don’t expect profit warning for Q3 before August, but given the second wave of Osborn that will hit Nokia in Q3 – the severity of that profit warning will send Nokia into oblivion. Sad, really…
There could well be one already Q2. Nokia gave a range of -3% operating margin for Devices and services. If they go significantly more below, they have to give a profit warning.
For example T-Mobile Germany may have posted an order for L900 and then withdrawn it after Nokia had let them know that they failed to get WP8 working on L900. (as we all know, they were testing WP8 on existing models. Also MS promised that there will be WP8 available for installation for geeks, who want to try it on Mango devices). There could be some operators taking back orders that would have delivered late Q2. That would have significant effect.
True that, but I don’t think that they’ve placed too much faith in the last couple of weeks of Q2 for it to make any difference. In fact, I think that even Microsoft waited a bit before announcing the WP7.x devices obsolete just not to screw Nokia completely. Thus, I don’t expect another profit warning for Q2, but the outlook for the Q3 is scary…
Btw. do you remember where you wrote about Pureview and Meego. Someone said that you had good insight to the matter.
I said I “think” it was incgonito…
I recall someone going into quite a bit of detail as-to-why Maemo6x would’ve been better placed to more quickly implement PV or PV_lite than WP8x.
They weren’t necessarily using that as a reason for why maemo6x/meego was a better path, twas just a technical observation.
I wrote a lot of things, but I don’t remember what I had for breakfast, let alone when and where I wrote something *whistles*
Currently -8.6%. I’d also point out that most tech stocks, particularly European ones, are down today. The Nasdaq is currently down 1.74%
Yes, it’s bad, but perspective please.
It’s -8.6% on NYSE, OMX is pretty much set to close with >-10%. Even with Nasdaq fluctuations, it still is quite severe – i take that it took some time for the market to react on Microsoft’s Osborning the WP7.x line, and thus predicting extremely bad Q3 for Nokia…
Shows no emotion while talking = psychopath / potential serial killer
Just sayin’…
LOL what a comment! Well talking about serial killer: Meltemi = DEAD, MeeGo = almost DEAD, Symbian = almost DEAD, Nokia Air = DEAD, WP = suicide…
Serial killer comes quit close to that.
What the Microsoft would do when Elop would kill Windows? Just by routine…?
This man looks for me a well trained politician, he could try to become a president, his way of speaking is like hypnotic suggestion, just millions would follow his sugessttions… I hope this is not addictive….!!!!!!
he must have been extremely disappointent that MS did not give him the opportunity to reveal it first that WP7.5 is dead end
He does talk like a politician lol. I hate politicians
and all politians are fucking liars…SADISTIC LIARS
NOOOO SHIT
I”VE POSTED THIS VIDEO FROM BEFORE ANA everyone thinks i post bs all the friggin time but it’s true
ALL FRIGGIN TRUE
it’s in english by the way
Andrew_b:
He is just reading a teleprompter, you can see it from the eyes moving. Or he is a psychopath / serial killer, which ever you consider more likely.
As for the answers, it seems they were written by some PR hand. I much prefer Elop when he is interviewed live and is not talking a script. Speaking naturally is actually one of his strengths.
Here he is just a robot reading a bad PR script, not even answering most of the questions. He is much better when interviewed by journalists.
+1 for the idea, but -2 to Nokia for this video itself.
“Here he is just a robot reading a bad PR script, not even answering most of the questions. ”
Source? Pure speculation!
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Now this is how you would respond to other people.
Noway:
You are right. I am speculating of course, but Elop’s eye-movement are there for anyone to see.
As for the rest, you can stop your insults. I am giving it a rest.
Don’t get me wrong. I like your involvement when you are putting forth your own view as opposed to when you try to put people down. There is such a thing as overdoing it. But peace man.
I actually do agree with that – as with the basic premise of respect and politeness towards each other. Making this a happy place, which I would have wanted it to be and it really isn’t anymore. We are beyond all that here, though. There is so much animosity, polarization and – in my view – a lot of mistaken information being bandied about and repeated even when corrected. This makes it very hard to balance the politeness and the requisitive intensity of a balanced discussion. The only thing that will ever sort all of this out is some kind of conclusiong for Nokia (be it success or failure, independent or acquired), and even then only after a significant amount of time.
I’ve been saying this in many threads over the past weeks: When the discussion reached a point where it no longer is fruitful, it is better to just let it be. So you probably have a point of it having become overly repetitive with my trying to keep up with the flood of what I’ve personally seen as mistaken information. But it’s not just your comment, it is the overall atmosphere that underscores it.
So, yes, peace out.
“I much prefer Elop when he is interviewed live and is not talking a script. Speaking naturally is actually one of his strengths.”
Every single sentence begins with “So” when he’s interviewed. He never says anything meaningful. He sounds like a bullshitter, which he is. And he looks like an asshole scumbag, which he also is. He has no true emotion, only that stupid fake smile which is always on. There’s no substance in him. I bet none of the Finnish people working at Nokia can relate to him in any way. Finns have never liked pretentious slick all talk assholes. Finland is a country where people say what they mean and shut up if there’s nothing to say. Small talk is useless waste of time. Elop is so not like that. All bullshit and no substance.
I prefer Elop not speaking at all. I prefer Elop not being in Nokia or in any other position anywhere else, where he has a possibility to decide or rule over other people. In fact I prefer Elop never even existed at all.
He seems to be reading it off and not hiding that very well – like in a couple other videos. But yeah, he rather would record audiobooks than managing Nokia.
obvious read-off is obvious
It would be interesting to watch the WP8 launch. I think if they wont be able to launch WP8 on all carriers with Skype deals (the ones the carriers are so eager to sign with Elop and MS), then for me it would be final confirmation of WP boycott.
Blaah, I was hoping some Siri style of joke of Elop… Burn motherfucker burn… (Bloodhound gang)
Was watching a business related program on tv. 3,5% of potential business leaders are psychopaths. Does this sound familiar (explains also the tone of voice btw):
“described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, lacking guilt, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, nonplanfulness, impulsivity, and antisocial behaviors such as parasitic lifestyle and criminality”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath
This definition just about describes half of US here in MNB. Which half, I’ll let you decide.
I only have the charm part
Well here’s my prediction. This topic will be full of the usual boring negativity and pointless comments.
Oh look. It is!
Don’t think I’ll hang around for this one.
@ mark goodbye
you’ve learned to whine?
To me it seems Mark has learned to count…
lol!
Hi Elop what technology in Nokia will sold, killed or continued?
Hi GordonH certainly a very interesting question. I am glad you asked. Anything that can bring extra revenues ,like Vertu, will be sold. Meego, Symbian and QT compete against WP7 so it will be discontinued, not sold cause it could pose a threat to MS in the future. Some other technologies that help promote WP ,like maps, will be allowed to continued or say “live on” in MS products.
Is that an actual quote? Things have gotten so bad that you can’t even make this stuff up anymore!
Without actually watching the video, does anyone else think Elop just plain looks like an idiot. I mean, one would expect a CEO of a multinational corporation with tens of thousands of employees to have a certain aura about him. Putting it lightly, this guy looks like a dweeb whose grandmother still dresses him. I was never a bully in school but I find myself wanting to beat the shit out of this guy and take all his lunch money.
8 NFC phones?
1.C7
2.700
3.701
4.603
5.N9
6.610 NFC
7.808
8.???
My thoughts exactly; I thought I was missing one, maybethe 500?
sorry, but the 500 isn’t nfc
sorry, but the 500 isn’t nfc capable
8th one is Oro
Check this link: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/?filter1=nfc
The naivety of most WP fanbois is really touching. Even when the editor of wmpoweruser published critical editorial of Microsoft throwing Nokia under the bus, he gets bashed and insulted by his rabid readers. Granted, they do not care about Nokia but on this blog, which is supposed to be about Nokia, when we will see some sense in these people?
How Elop can keep a straight face when talking about Nokia future is beyond me. The guy is either the biggest idiot on the world or the Nokia BOD is the lousiest excuse for company board in the history. It is SO obvious from the beginning that Elop IS a Microsoft Trojan horse but all he needed to do is to deny it and all was brushed aside as nonsense.
“The naivety of most WP fanbois is really touching. Even when the editor of wmpoweruser published critical editorial of Microsoft throwing Nokia under the bus, he gets bashed and insulted by his rabid readers. Granted, they do not care about Nokia but on this blog, which is supposed to be about Nokia, when we will see some sense in these people?”
Read that posting yesterday when I was browsing around the different WP sites to see the feedback of WP 7.8/8 in general. While I get Surur’s anger about current WPs not being upgradable to WP8, his argument does come across as being one-sided. Forgive me if I sound judgemental but isn’t a journalist suppose to look at both sides of the coin before passing judgement? Not to mention that his later article of ’5,000 vote petition to bring more hardware-independent WP8 features into WP 7.8′ is pretty telling on how he is acting on emotion rather than rationale. And since Terry Myerson’s announcement of WP7.8 is rather vague, isn’t it best to wait for more information first before jumping to conclusions?
If WP 7.8 confirmed only the new Start screen in a later announcement and no other features, then his (Surur) argument is valid. If it is more than just a new Start screen, I wonder if he’ll apologise for his outburst…
If they correct this “vague” announcement later in December I don’t think it will solve the Q3 problem for Nokia.
No, Surur will not apologize. Even when he gets constructive criticism directly from a Microsoft employee he bashes them, when they were only trying to help. My observation is he takes things very personal.
His site is one of the oldest Windows Mobile/Phones out there, but there are newer ones cropping up with better content.
And he does bash Nokia far often than he praises them – he reports Nokia news because, well, Nokia is the only WP device maker than is actually news worthy! But he has a HTC Trophy; the jabs that he gives to Nokia (some are subtle, some aren’t) even on the most positive Nokia news, is simply shameful.
Needless to say, I don’t visit his site very much anymore.
Can you blame him when he saw the previous “transition” from WM to WP, when all the current users got thrown under the bus and now 2 years later MS market share never recovered?
“And he does bash Nokia far often than he praises them – he reports Nokia news because, well, Nokia is the only WP device maker than is actually news worthy! But he has a HTC Trophy; the jabs that he gives to Nokia (some are subtle, some aren’t) even on the most positive Nokia news, is simply shameful.”
Makes you wonder why even bother reporting on news related to Nokia if he really dislike Nokia. Reminds me a bit of Jon Choo, who criticises Nokia a lot and even went as far as to mention how he never owned a single Nokia phone as his first phone was a Samsung, followed by subsequent phones from either Samsung or LG.
“Needless to say, I don’t visit his site very much anymore.”
I don’t frequent that site much either, but that is because there’s not much interesting content there. I frequent WP Central more when it comes to Windows Phone sites, though.
Few months ago, when the firestorm started after the first leaks that WP7 will not be upgradable to WP8, most WP fans were so sure that “nothing is clear until the MS official announcement”, “it is all because MS does not want to revel its WP8 secrets” and other nonsense. Even then the truth was clear for everyone that wanted to see this: the silence of MS was as good as official announcement that there will be no upgrades from WP7 to WP8.
Now, you will want to until MS officially confirms that nothing important except the home screen will be ported to WP7.8. Good luck with that…
And there may be two sides of each story but this does not mean that both have the same weight or logic. I am sure that even the biggest idiots (like Elop) have good excuses in their minds and blame everyone else for their failures but the facts are clearly against them.
“Few months ago, when the firestorm started after the first leaks that WP7 will not be upgradable to WP8, most WP fans were so sure that “nothing is clear until the MS official announcement”, “it is all because MS does not want to revel its WP8 secrets” and other nonsense. Even then the truth was clear for everyone that wanted to see this: the silence of MS was as good as official announcement that there will be no upgrades from WP7 to WP8.
Now, you will want to until MS officially confirms that nothing important except the home screen will be ported to WP7.8. Good luck with that…”
I’ll take my chances, but won’t throw up a fit should that scenario turn out to be true. But I’d be a happy camper if the opposite happens. :p
To be honest, I never follow rumours, and if I do come across them, I take them with a grain of salt. I’d rather listen from official sources, hence the ‘wait and see approach’. Was I disappointed that current devices are not upgradable to WP8? Yes, but since 7.8 was offered as an alternative, I’ll wait and see what is offered.
Hi, Mr. Elop…!!!!
I’m from the Nokia Indonesia and any there Symbianizer…
(Sorry, my english is bad!)
I’m agree about symbian is gone, and cange with the Windows Phone. But the application/games on Nokia Store don’not delete to 2020.
Thanks….
I have heard comments that the point is in the Nokia patent in area of mobile phones. When MS can’t buy them, then better is to lower the Nokia price as only possibile and then buy everything, after that to throw away what is not needed like workers, projects, factories etc. And make money of pattents. MS from patents has money from EVERY device with Android. Nice I think.
I thought this was going to be an ‘off the cuff’ video, but it turns out that someone has written down informative answers for him to read on an autocue.
Elop has done little damage compared to his predecessors. He has lost 30 000 million of market value while the management before Elop lost over 200 000 million of market value. OPK alone lost almost 100 000 million of market value.
Now why are you blaming Elop?
Are you comparing to the peak values of the general techno bubble?
If I have time, I could make a comparison against more general indices.
While the previous mgmt made massive mistakes, it is still not a valid argument for Elop. During OPK also good stuff was staryed and it is impossible to say now what had been the end result (Pureview + Meltemi + Maemo + Qt).
In two years time there can be a good benchmark for Elop. If less strong RIM survibes and Nokia is split, it is a strong case against Elop. Some scenarios can be pro Elop, some end up with no resolution.
Dont worry. I dont think Ill be the only one leaving this forum, when Nokia is nothing exept WP, pureview, few subcontracted apps and bunch of accessories.
Comparing the peak values is only reasonable. You can’t be sure if Nokia had it’s own bubble when OPK was fired. You may remember all that hype because of the Symbian^3 and N8. Nokia never had a chance with those two but the stock value had a nice boost.
Nokia sold only 5 million of the Symbian^3 and 1-2 million of the N8 in the Q4 of 2010. They should have been selling much more but they had some nice hype. Maybe Nokia was overvalued.
Elop never destroyed that much stock value OPK did. It was OPK who released the N97. It was OPK who killed Maemo and pushed for poor products killing Symbian’s future.
Agree with you. OPK was incompetent and the selection board made massive mistake. Ollila has said that he did not propose Kallasvuo to the job, but knowing his power within Nokia he could have at least veto’t the selection. Elop was approved by Ollila, but we dont know what was the politics behind that.
It is a matter of personal taste which one is worse: OPK or Elop. Looking at the share price with the (limited) investment calculator Nokia has on their web site, it looks like:
OPK era: -46%
Elop era so far: -77%
That calculator does not take into account the share buy-backs nor dividends paid. One would need the amount of shares in Oct 2005, Sep 2010 to calculate market cap. Maybe you know a better site?
http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/investors/stock-tools/stock-tools/
OPK did also lose a lot of talent during his time – the option programs made people leave Nokia after cashing out. Elo fired the rest.
” 1-2 million of the N8 in the Q4 of 2010″
Wrong. N8 sold 4+ million in Q4/2010.
This has been handled really badly by Microsoft. The problem is mainly that last week’s summit was for DEVELOPERS, and they mentioned that the consumer info wouldn’t be announced until nearer the launch date. Of all the things demoed last week the start screen was the only real consumer thing mentioned, and we were told it was coming to 7.8. Great, and that could lead us to believe that more things will come to 7.8 from 8.
The problem is that they can’t announce what will come to 7.8 because they haven’t unveiled what is in 8. I would be surprised if nothing came to 7.8, but they can’t say what without unveiling all the features.
By saying 7.5 devices won’t get 8, they’ve opened the media floodgates to say the current devices will stay in their current incarnation – actually MS didn’t say that at all.
They should have either said nothing of 7.5′s upgrade path, in the same way Google doesn’t say much about what devices will get the new Android, or they should have said that “more WP8 features will hit 7.5 devices, and we’ll explain those features in our next keynote.”
All they actually did was say 7.5 won’t get an upgrade to the FULL WP8, which leaves many thinking they won’t get anything other than new apps and sizeable tiles. If nothing comes, then users have been royally screwed – and that’s not something Nokia or MS can afford to have as a reputation. Microsoft and/or Nokia should have said last week, and at the very least should clarify things now, that EITHER more WP8 features will hit the Lumias, OR said nothing at all about current Mango devices. Because as everyone has said, this means Nokia has on the market phones running two operating systems with no real future.
The main point regarding updates is that potential customers (consumers and resellers) postpone their purchase, which makes Nokia’s financial position even more. I truly wish that they informed the sales channels well before or they are pissed – once again.
The next biggest thing is the app incompatibility. WP7 installed base is rather small and it seems that making apps backward compatible requirea extra effort, which may lead to the fact that old Lumia owners will miss new apps and features.
Only third comes the fact that the WP8 features will or will not come to WP7.8.
Further questionmark for Nokia’s survival are the cheap smartphone categories. How on earth are they going to get affordable WP out, if WP8 cannot be downscaled to WP7. And thrn they have Lumia 610, which would require further backwards compatibility optimization from devs.
Interesting times still ahead.
People wouldn’t postpone their purchasing if nothing had been said or if they were told features would be coming. It’s the absolute “no upgrade path” the press is peddling that will stop purchases.
WP8 will probably be downscalable, the problem isn’t it running on the L900′s power, it’s the kernel change
So are you saying that WP8 wont be easily adaptable? Reminds me of this:
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/
No i’m not saying that at all, i’m saying that it will be able to reach lower-spec/cheaper phones, but they will need to be built for it
“People wouldn’t postpone their purchasing if nothing had been said or if they were told features would be coming. It’s the absolute “no upgrade path” the press is peddling that will stop purchases.”
I think it depends. The more tech-savvy people (which is a minority) might postpone their purchases, but the average consumer at large might not be so in tune with the tech world and will continue to buy the current Lumia phones, depending on the mentality of the shop/operator attendant.
I’m not sure how tech-savvy these mobile phone shop/operator attendants are in other countries, but from where I’m from (Malaysia), I seriously doubt that they know anything about ICS, the latest iOS or what not, judging by the way how they tried to push the SGS 2 to me with the ‘more apps’ reasoning. It comes across as pretty telling on how much they emphasise apps as a selling point for these Android phones and one reason why these phones sell.
” depending on the mentality of the shop/operator attendant.”
This is the whole point. The problem is always the retail channel, not so much average consumers themselves. Most people buy what they are offered. Sad, but true. It was Nokia’s retail channel that made Symbian tank after Elop’s insanity in Feb 11 and it is the retail channel that hasn’t been and isn’t selling WP either. And now this. Elop has pretty much fucked up Nokia’s retail relations already before this latest news.
Nokia will sink badly. Not that there’s much room to sink.
@jiipee Points 1, 2, and 3 spot on.
You’re absolutely right it’s Nokia financials in Q3 and their ability to stay solvent after having their sales cut off at the knees again and the effect this is having on their customer loyalty and (already damaged reputation for reliability and consistency) and as you say the effect on the sales channel even down to the individual sales staff who Nokia have just been saying they need to win over and convince and have spent a considerable amount of effort and cash (they can ill afford) to do so. Only to cut the real life span to 6 months of some Lumia devices that these sales staff have just persuaded someone (loser) to take on 2year contract, now the sales staff don’t care about that but they will care if the purchasers get wise to this (and they seem to do so more these days) and start coming back and complaining (waste of salesperson’s time) or returning devices. All Nokia don’t need is a repeat of the ill will the N97 created in the channel.
And yes you’re absolutely right in your next point that it is the viable app life cycle of these devices that has just been massively truncated and that makes a modern smartdevice a shadow of what is meant or could be. On top of which these devices are be legacied and sidelined at time when WP is relatively incomplete and the app stores are much emptier than rival Platforms and they’re going to be stuck in that state until end of contracts.
Google will be very pleased with Elop. Nokia hasn’t make any (As I don’t know about any partnership they have or not) partnership with google till now. Also Nokia is not using Android. Sooner or later Nokia will be killed by Elop. Then it will be easy for google to create pressure on Nokia to be with them with high value than others. What a shame to the Nokia Board. I think Elop has told The Board that he will do his best to kill Nokia. So don’t worry after that MS or google will buy Nokia with a cheap rate and I will deliver a huge sum of money to you.
Nokia was killed by the old management.
Let’s see Q2Q changes in ASP.
2007/2008
Q1 89/79 (-11%)
Q2 90/74 (-18%)
Q3 82/72 (-12%)
Q4 83/71 (-14%)
2008/2009
Q1 79/65 (-18%)
Q2 74/62 (-16%)
Q3 72/62 (-14%)
Q4 71/64 (-10%)
2009/2010
Q1 190->155 (-18%)
Q2 181->143 (-21%)
Q3 190->133 (-30%)
Q4 186->156 (-16%)
2010/2011
Q1 155->147 (-5%)
Q2 143->142 (-1%)
Q3 133->131 (-2%)
Q4 156->140 (-10%)
2011/2012
Q1 147->142 (-3%)
The decline slowed down only after Elop announced the burning platform memo.
You are hilarious
Yeah, but that’s how it all happened.
So what you are saying that under OPK they managed to raise the ASP during the period you have data from 89 to 156. That is quite nice.
Does the ASP figures you have there include the ‘loss of sales support’ from MS spread to smart devices?
How about margin per device or total sales (operating) margin. With such analyst skills you would have been excellent material for OPKs high/middle managers, who killed the first touch devices as well as saved on memory
Years 2007 and 2008 include all the handsets sold by Nokia. Years after that one include only the smartphones. As you see the ASP was going down all the time.
Let’s then compare revenues and smartphones sold as well, to complete the picture:
And since you prefer the Q2Q picture, let’s do that one as well:
(in bold when Elop takes the helm)
ASP stats are useless without the rest of the data. An old saying claim that it’s better to sell two things for a dollar than one thing for two dollars. As long as you’re selling more products and gathering more revenue, ASP plays a small role. It’s a well known tactics for companies to lower their ASPs to increase sales and revenue, and Nokia needed to do that in order to maintain market share. One can argue that it may be a foolish tactics in the long run, but executed correctly it does give you a better revenue stream, and consequently profits.
And the profits comparison paints even grimmer picture for Elop but I have no time to collect and process that data now. OPK was a fool, Elop is a dangerous idiot. OPK was a tsunami, Elop is a life-ending asteroid. The customers agree, the stock market agree, all the available data from sales and revenues to the market share agree – how can you even defend Elop with a straight face?
Yeah, Nokia was losing revenues long time before Elop. As you can see Nokia was not selling enough units to be able to compensate the declining ASP.
Devices & Services
2007/2008
Q1 8163->9263 (+13%)
Q2 9163->9090 (-1%)
Q3 9238->8605 (-7%)
Q4 11141->8141 (-27%)
2008/2009
Q1 9263->6173 (-33%)
Q2 9090->6586 (-28%)
Q3 8605->6915 (-20%)
Q4 8141->8179 (+0%)
2009/2010
Q1 6173->6663 (+8%)
Q2 6586->6800 (+3%)
Q3 6915->7174 (+4%)
Q4 8179->8499 (+4%)
2010/2011
Q1 6663->7087 (+6%)
Q2 6800->5467 (-20%)
Q3 7174->5392 (-25%)
Q4 8499->5997 (-29%)
2011/1012
Q1 7087->4246 (-40%)
Beautiful, now when you’ve lumped together Devices & Services, even tho Elop’s decision affected mainly the smartphone department (or as they used to called them – converged devices), pull the same data from their competitors for comparison. Especially focus on Samsung who leapfrogged Nokia as the largest smartphone producer, and as a largest mobile devices producer, and check which department stood strongest and pulled the train.
Everybody was losing on feature phones due to tens, if not hundreds of small, cheap producers in Asia and Africa – the smartphone departments were the ones making a difference. OPK figured out that way too late, but at least acted on it and the revenues were always rising (except one single quarter), as well as number of sold smartphone devices – they just weren’t rising enough to fill the rapidly expanding market but they were gaining speed. Elop, on the other hand, destroyed even the smartphone sales and revenues, leaving Nokia with nothing to compete.
Sure, just point me the data and I’ll make one including smartphones from 2007 and 2008. Before that happens we just have to use the data we have.
Nokia is one company and Devices & Services is a part of it.
Nokia was losing revenues long time Before Elop.
Wow Lord US just say it out loud.
Elop is the best. Elop is the boss. Elop is not bankrupting Nokia. Elop is best. Elop is not to blame. Elop is not the culprit.
As much as we understand and pity Nokia, a time will come when we will understand and pity Elop and his supporters.
Yeah, Nokia’s old management is responsible for most of the decline.
Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of you.
Maybe all the company knows about current gen phones not being able to update to window 8. But only Nokia insist on sticking with windows 7.5 despite this knowledge.
Maybe that is the reason why no other company is supporting too much on window 7.5. Even HTC only releases the Titan in some country, while other company is just sticking with producing mid-range windows phone.
Dam elop
Q1: When is the 808 for sale in the UK?
Q2: Why did it take so long to release the 808 in the UK?
Q3: How do you still have a job?
*autocue person’s throat gets sliced by mystery business leader*
There would be a battle of devices if Nokia would had chosen Android. Just came in my mind…
few more months until there will be no more MNB
MMB ?
“Nokia Lumia Phones coming to Verizon w/ PureView tech?”
idiotic question.
as if nokia were going to throw pureview tech away. the question should have been “when” not “will”