Full text of Nokia’s Symbian champion layoff – No more Qt for Nokia’s future
On Saturday, there was a post about Nokia ‘Kicking out Symbian Developers’, with one high ranking name in particular, Gravity’s Jan Ole Suhr (@janole) losing his Nokia Developer Champion status.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/07/21/what-the-hell-nokia-kicking-out-symbian-developers/
To shed a bit more light, this is apparently the letter sent out to the Nokia Champions. It shows a few things. C++/Qt apparently don’t fit into Nokia’s future. No Qt for next billion, No Qt for anything upcoming at Nokia.
However, Nokia are saying that they will not forget these champions. A new partnering programme begins in fall and these champions are automatically added to the programme and a future champion programme can be applied for which their past service will contribute heavily towards the decision.
The letter below was posted as a comment at AAS
“Hello XXXXX,
I wanted to let you know personally that a decision was made to drop Symbian C++ and Qt experts from the Champions program. You appear to fall in this group. If you feel you have expertise in other technologies or some experience that would affect your status please write to me.
Below is the standard information as you can see there still are benefits for you.
As you know in June Nokia decided to not pursue a Linux based operating system. As a result, like the rest of the Nokia family the champions must make cuts to best fulfill the future goals of Nokia. In our opinion your expertise was in Qt or other technologies that do not fit into Nokia’s future and a decision was made to end your Nokia Developer Championship early.
I want to personally thank you for your work as a Nokia Champion over the past few years and let you know that we are not just forgetting you. This fall Nokia Developer will start a new partnering program and you will be automatically added to this program with the option to opt out. In addition you received this welcome gift and it is yours to use for the life of the device. Finally because of your devotion and dedication to Nokia if you wish to re-apply for the champions program this fall I will be sure to add weight to your application based on your past service.
Your championship will not expire until the end of July.
If you feel there is information that will affect your status please contact me.”
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/flow/item/15322_Symbian_focused_Nokia_Develope.php#comment-594811665
As AAS’s Rafe Blandford replied:
I understand the decision. It make sense after all, in the context of the strategy switch, but think things could have been better handled (which is the main point I was trying to get across in the article), mainly around cutting things short for some developers.
Source: allaboutsymbian
Cheers Janne for the tip!
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I think I must take back a little of my criticism to Nokia and add a bit to Janole, that text – if accurate – isn’t actually all that bad. It does offer more goodwill than was reported by Janole.
Still, I think letting the Symbian championships expire on their own time instead of halting them like that would have been wiser. Even as it is, that text still includes “the drop” – and it is hard to see what kind of savings Nokia got from that, yet it is easy to see the PR damage it did.
I feel sorry for you, you with your good will.
Don’t look at the wording.. look at the meat, the substance, for a change.
It is basically saying “f***** off, we don’t need you anymore despite all you have done to further the platform.”
As for the “new partner program” this fall, empty promise ..
Why feel sorry for me, I have nothing of significance invested in this (a few Nokia stock, nothing that matters).
And I always look at the substance. The substance has been clear since late June when Nokia tightened their strategy. It is unfortunate for sure, but luckily we still have Lumia and Jolla to follow. I have interest in both and both hold promise still.
One can wonder who needs who. Janole neede Nokia to fail with their social experience in Symbian so he could ask the price for his app he could. Nokia needed him to fill the gap they left themselves.
Did Gravity further the platform? No, it filled a void that was left by Nokia. Nokia filled the void with WP and the far better way it handles social platforms.
The fact that Janole demanded such a high price for his app says something. I don’t know how much work he put into it, but I guess he has made quite a bundle with Gravity.
In the end, Nokia needed Janole as much as Janole needed Nokia. Nokia changed their strategy in such a way that Janole could have known he wouldn’t retain a top position in Symbian development since that would be phased out, which he knew well over a year already. Basically, Nokia could have ended all Symbian Champion dev’s back in Feb 11 and it would still have made sense. Yet they retained those titles for well over a year longer even at times that no new Symbian devices were released.
Granted, Nokia could have handled this better, but so could Janole. The way he put it seems way harsher that this purported official message makes it out to be.
Have you used WP social features? I wouldn’t use the wording “filled the void” with it.
As it seems, Symbian still outsells WP phones so there is still void filling to be done.
Also there are many free/cheap social clients for Symbian so Jan-Ole isn’t the only one filling the void, but he still makes the best all around social client for _any_ platform. The price has nothing to do with it, it’s choice that allows him to concentrate the effort more on improving the sw, than answering support questions for example. Or that is how I understand it. (so it’s better to have less customers who pay more, than have a lot of customers who pay less).
I use windows social features and they are great…do you? How long has Nokia been using Windows compared to Symbian and one can see the difference in customer base. Give Windows that same time frame and we will compare results.
No, I don’t have any WP around, and I’m not planning to have either. I know how it works though and the concept of people hub is that you either have/use it or you don’t. It’s not bad, but it’s not the greatest either. I would compare it to N9′s social integration, it’s good enough for most, but when you want something better you install 3rd party program like fmobi.
Also it really doesn’t matter how long something has been around. When Symbian started there were no social network you would have built clients for. But I agree that the development of Nokia Social has been really slow, even after it was converted to use Qt. And maybe that’s the problem, they did not start from scratch.
I’ve used both so I’d say it more than does. Facebook, Twitter and People Hub – incomplete as it is – are vastly better than Social under Symbian or, indeed, pretty much any third party social application.
Mark, what was the last time you used your N8, or better, which version of Gravity was the last you worked with?
After I upgraded to Belle. Unfortunately the e-mail client refused to work so it’s been gathering dust since then. Not sure what version of Gravity it was as I mostly used fMobi by then.
What was the last version of WP Facebook you used?
That was version 0.0
Don’t be so agressive, it was a genuine question.
Recently Gravity has undergone a big facelift and it has become something very special.
My friends with iOS and Android (sorry, no one around with WP, you’re my only friend left with WP) would really love to see this kind of app on their phones and from what I’ve seen on video it’s at least on par with the People Hub on WP.
I was just wondering if you had seen the latest touch of Gravity, that’s all, sorry for asking that question.
WP is by a MILE better on social side than Symbian ever was.
The default is a lot better, not to talk about the Twitter, Facebook, etc apps on WP.
+1
What janole did is a very, very bad business practice. “biting the hand that feeds you”. Something all businesses look at when you come to them with your future product, most definitely google and apple.
What a stupid statement. He is not an employee of Nokia nor is he a subcontractor or anything like that. If anything it’s the other way around. You must court developers if you want to succeed.
You think Apple and Google would put up with that? Surprise,surprise. Try it. Nokia was being as nice as they could. If you want to be a developer, you are in business. Act like it.
really? you think any corporation would go @$%! Off! obviously it will be worded nicely…. very few people let alone corporations would be THAT stupid
Janole is back to Nokia Developer’s Program plz refer to his updated tweets
that was sad, hopefully qt for smartphone can find new home
BB10 could be that “new home” for Qt
Or it may be Jolla as well.
yes indeed.
goodbye Nokia, the N900 and N9 were/are awesome, and i look forward to a BBOS10 handset in future.
Good luck moving from a dead OS to another dead OS!
Chances are than in 1 year you will be searching for another dead OS again, because BBOS10 will not stay around for a long time.
Some people just like to do it the hard way…
it’s okay, i have never felt the lack of a living ecosystem behind my N9.
it is a joy to use and provides an excellent web experience, that is all i ask.
from my experience with the Playbook i think i will get on just fine with BBOS10 when the time comes, that they use Qt is just icing on the cake.
Agree here. I think there are 2 kinds of smartphone users the one concerned about all the latest apps and games and the ones who are satisfied with the core apps just as long as they function pretty well.
Not everyone would try out all the apps and use them all. Symbian apps is a dead os in terms of support and probably newer apps. But from spotify, shazam, foursquare, dropbox apps, sky drive apps, youtube apps, fb and twitter apps, symbian has that and probaby bb10 will.
Yes. Also, there is no way for me to jump ship from Symbian to WP 7.8 as they are both dead ends, go Android, and hope Qt can do more on it.
For Meego and BBOS10, harsh start, and just hope they will have a bright future with Qt.
Microsoft’s goal is to cut down on the QT and various successful Linux systems. It’s a minor problem on Nokia’s money is used to act nice.
The problem not only with NDC. there is also some other thing impacts developers of Symbian/Meego:
1. there is still no PR 1.3 for n950
2. Nokia Store online reports totally broken and it seems no one gonna to fix this
3. Search engine on Nokia Store is broken too
4. Payments are delayed w/o any explanations given
yes, I’ve contacted support and they replied to me but the replies confirms that problem exists and they are working on it, but…nothing changes within weeks or they just fixes problems of the given developer and not the situation in whole
Why should they fix “unimportant” things in abandoned OS´s ?
Nokia does not want to do big things with them. Symbian is just there to fill the gap till WP is successfull.
I don´t think there will come anything big for Symbian or Harmattan anymore.
Just small changes so everybody thinks Nokia stands behind Symbian till 2016.
Poor Symbian. A complete new Symbian would have been better than just Symbian^3/Anna/Belle. They´re great but they weren´t enough to save the platform
How about S40? They are part of the Store. Nokia should do something to fix the store, rather than those small tweaks in store clients…
just because they are claimed support till 2016. this means Nokia Store support as part of “ecosystem”
also just because of written signed contracts with developers
So good bye to qt.
Yes, it has been goodbye Qt on Nokia mobile since last summer. But not goodbye Qt everywhere.
But it just makes me wonder what on earth is Nokia thinking with their communication. It has been disastrous and PR failings time after time. Bad news travels a lot faster than good, and Nokia just doesn’t seem to understand that.
question to us all is? Nokia? Wen are you going to sell it??? and who is the buyer.
“C++/Qt apparently don’t fit into Nokia’s future. No Qt for next billion, No Qt for anything upcoming at Nokia.”
Ah, rampant stupidity is on the loose in Nokia HQ once again!
Why is everybody so focused on Qt? Qt on mobile devices made sense for Nokia when they were still following their old plan of transition from Symbian to Symbian/Maemo/(Meltemi). Now this is gone and Nokia focuses on Java for S40 and everything which is possible for WP8. I don’t see a problem or even a reason why there is a urgent need for Qt on WP8 (but since native code is supported and there is Qt for Windows, there might be also one for WP8 possible). You use a cross plattform SDK when you know that your code has to run on many different OS without many changes. Since there is no official Qt on other mobile platforms than maybe BB10 (which is totally irrelevant for now) the advantage for developers is really limited. Why to use Qt on WP8 if there is support for native C++ (for example)?
because Qt its not only crossplatform framework, its also a very helpful framework, easy, straightforward and open source
Ok, maybe it is like that and I hope you have the experience in developing software to judge about it. (however, I don’t buy: open source = good).
But why do so many users cry their tears for a SDK? You as a customer don’t get better Software just because it was coded in Qt.
me, as developer, can claim with fear: Qt helps to develop better apps a lot
+1
Problem with Qt for WP is the lack of OpenGL drivers.
Nokia has just hired 50 people for imaging, perhaps one of the strongest motivations for consumers to pick your phone over the competition. Thank you Nokia.
No symbian
No meego
No meltemi
No Qt
In Nokia’s future????
So its no Spbond and the hundreds of buyer’s under my influence for Nokia’s future products
‘Nokia’s future’??? it’s starting to sound like an oxymoron
yeah… spot on! at least now I’m pretty firm on ditching nokia. i was dithering about picking an 808, but i will do just fine without it – with qt dying, can’t bear to have another 24 months of lack of fresh apps. qt really was blossoming even after all this mess!
You have s tech blog to? One of the 1,232,768 tech blogs?
Such Nokia has obviously No Future
Perfect words!
+1
Seems elop is very confident with WP 8.
elop sounds like an overconfident fool
same as when Lumia launched, but the result
Wow, nokia future for developers sucks (imo). Looking forward for better platforms, maybe winphone8, but no Nokia.
Regards.
hmm, i wasn’t on the windows camp on any day. right now, all hopes of symbian/ meego/ qt are gone – that means there’s nothing left for a lot of people like me in camp nokia. time to bid goodbye to nokia, and they know they dont need old fans like us !
Some of you guys are weird, seriously!
What would you do if you were in Nokia’s position? Abort WP strategy and go back to Symbian, MeeGo, Meltemi, etc… strategies? Are you crazy or what? Nokia doesn’t have the resources to devellop any those strategies.
And then, just because Nokia will not use Qt anymore you say goodbye to Nokia and you will move to another dead OS (BBOS10) just because it might use Qt. Are you Qt fanboys or what? What advantages will you have by keep using Qt? You aren’t going to receive a bunch of new apps everyday in your new Qt compatible OS, because no develloper cares about those OS. Seems like you don’t seek for good products, you seek for ideals and in this case your ideals are Qt that represent the old Nokia. Well it’s sad to look at you thinking like that because at the momment there are only to alive mobile OS: iOS and Android. It’s going to be difficult but there is still space for WindowsPhone… we will have to see what is going to happen when Windows 8 comes to the market.
‘Nokia doesn’t have the resources to devellop any those strategies. ‘
they just flush all their resources to the Balmer’s toilet (see Nokia stocks time diagram)
Yeah, problem is that all the main WP apps are better than the Symbian equivalents. Even Maps and Drive have caught up now.
So Drive on WP had spoken street names now? I must have missed that in the new Drive 3.0 for WP…..
just get an call while you driving and navigate
No they have not, shows how much you know, they’re both still missing features compared to belle & harmattan.
Pull them up side-by side some time, assuming you really do have a basis for comparison.
He is an MS paid astroturfer, ignore him.
“Some of you guys are weird, seriously!”
huh ? how do they plan to support their strategy of continuing to sell symbian/ meego/ s40 phones ? if all of them had qt, how would it hurt nokia to keep qt going ? they are grinding it to sell a few windows phone handsets. so where will the bread and butter come from ? if they were so confident of nixing symbian, they should have stopped ALL symbian shipments on feb11
hahaha, a panic nokia fan.
sorry, i became nokia user because it was friendly to linux & open sources, now nokia has changed, then i must find other place.
+1
OK. Seeya then since there’s nothing for you here.
Android malware up 300% in 2 months according to the news on Bing. I really like using Bing. I don’t think I would get that kind of news using google. Oh my, google may be fined billions in days in the e.u.
@twig
I’ll take my chances, I’m a Windows user, desktop edition, after all.
I think everyone has actually misread the statement “drop Symbian C++ and Qt”. They are dropping SYMBIAN development champions. Qt will live on. Qt will be part of the next billion. Qt is still a big part of Nokia’s future.
If symbian and meego have been dropped. Qt will live on where exactly??
No, it’s not no more – Meltemi was cancelled. There’s no next billion.
Next billion strategy is based on Java. Period!
Eero Penttinen
Domain Lead, Qt for MeeGo R&D at Nokia
Java…Not wise.
But we cannot expect a stupid BOD to make good engineering decisions.
actually, they already reversed that back and called all FNC personally to say they’re sorry
Really?? Hope this is true.
What is FNC?
Forum Nokia Champion? The old name for the championship.
As for Nokia reversing the move, that would be the sanest thing to do for them. I don’t know what non-PR-fluent guy wrote that communication without thinking at all…
If they did reverse it, clearly someone in (upper) management got alerted and saw the bigger picture – which the management is, at least in theory :p, supposed to and sometimes actually is able to see.
Forum Nokia Champion. I still can’t get myself to call it Nokia Developer
Even my browser bookmark still points to forum.nokia.com 
So, can you elaborate: what did Nokia reverse actually? They are continuing the Symbian developer program after all? Or just keeping Symbian developers in the developer program but not providing any actual support any more?
Killing QT at Nokia was part of the chess game all along… congrats MS and Elop. Wonder what happens at checkmate.
I don’t know, somehow the wording in that letter seems of in various places.. but I guess its possible that it was written by someone fairly low (i.e. below VP level for sure) in the developer relations team that little to no training on how to write such communications…
Anyway, if this is the story, hopefully Nokia can find a good buyer for Qt soon! They could certainly use a bit more cash.
Ooops, my comment above was not meant as a response to gordonH’s.
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2012/videos/Qt_in_the_Nokia_Strategy_an_Update_-_Quim_Gil.m4v an interesting video
Very interesting indeed!
nice….thanks for sharing it….downloading it now
In short… You have been screwed guys…
i hope nokia releases qt ASAP, i’m afraid, ms can destroy qt easier if still at nokia’s hands
Why does everybody think MS tries to kill Qt? That’s bull shit! Qt is used for Windows in many cases where code is shared between Linux or OS X. Qt is not rivaling MS in general nor Windows in special. There is just no real benefit of Qt for WP8 or do you see one?
And in fact MS isn’t trying to kill Linux either. It’s a rival and they treat it like that (like any other company would do). Actually MS contributes to the Linux code in a not negligible way.
Some people really seem to live in a world build upon conspiracy…
Indeed.
People let the crazy get to them.
Exactly, MS is all for fair competition and progress of humankind even at the cost to their own business. Anyone who suggests they could even think about driving companies out of business or using their monopoly position for not entirely laudable purposes, is MS hater and should be excluded from civil debate.
Yet you still forget how Microsoft saved Apple’s arse. (Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were family-friends too, until the end, telling something of the relationships there.)
I know all about Be and all that shit Microsoft pulled way back when. They have certainly done their fair share of shitty things. And I know their spotted mobile history too.
But there are good arguments to say they have changed a lot too, on so many levels. Many of the criticism against Microsoft is just so… 1990s.
@janne
I’d rather MS had been content to only invest $150 million in non voting Nokia shares as they did to “save Apple”, instead of current situation.
It looks as if you are trying to imply they “saved Apple’s arse” because of their sportsmanship ethos and love competition. Of course MS did it in they own self-interest, they don’t do these sorts of good acts even by accident. It’s simply not in their genes.
Claiming that this behaviour is thing of last century is simply ludicrous. There are countless examples, you literally can’t choose wrong – the refusals to comply with the antitrust rulings, the process of adopting Office formats as international standards, the patent trolling, etc. etc. They are still the same as they ever were.
Who in business would ever make decision without having an upside for themselves? Business by definition is not a charity.
Of course Microsoft had an upside. But it also ensured Apple had cash and Microsoft Office updated guaranteed through a time of need.
But the fact remains: Apple got Microsoft’s support and became stronger for it. Microsoft didn’t use their help for any evil deeds.
As for the list you list, I’d say Microsoft has complied with the frankly-ridiculous anti-trust rulings over all well (I wonder when EU stops Apple forcing mobile Safari engine down people’s throats), standards-compliance at Microsoft has improved dramatically after .NET platform and so on.
As for patent-trolling, every major company does that now. Microsoft is not even one of the worst. I do get it that in the 1990s the company used their power for bad things, but so many things have changed within IT and Microsoft since then. It is hard to see Microsoft as evil when we have people like Apple, Google and Facebook dominating the evil headlines these days, but also because Microsoft itself has changed a lot for the better.
Janne please stop to try to clean Microsoft’s act, please inform yourself, go and find out how usually they do business, how they buy deals so that others do their worse litigation. How they bribe people with power to decide stuff.
Everybody knows stories that we cant talk about as well Microsoft is scary. But the ones that get public are bad enough….
Microsoft saving apple is dead simple, without apple Microsoft would not be able to say they have competition.
Apple is the best possible competition because their Business model is so different from Microsoft, apple sells hardware Microsoft sells licenses to OEMS…Apple is a threat only indirectly…
Andrid/google will be a much bigger threat as they have a much more similar Business model.
Except if you want to argue they wouldn’t do bad things because they do good things too, you actually needs something like examples of charity. What the Apple deal proves is that MS is capable of helping others if they can calculate it will hold off harm from them. That’s long way from proving MS wont deliberately hurt everyone else on the planet for it’s own profit.
Btw, It’s telling that to support your theory about big improvements in MS behaviour in last decade over the ’90s, you only example is deal from 1997…
That others are catching up with MS on the do evil is just result of the fact that MS is no longer such important company, on the two biggest contemporary fronts they are mostly (web) and totally (phones) irrelevant. But as is evident from WP, rest assured the when given chance, they will be far worse than Apple, Facebook or Google.
Qt is safe in community hands. It is already under Open Governance.
I understand why Nokia is cancelling the Qt program – no need for Qt developers. But on the other hand they still sell Symbian based phones and they claim it’s still supported! And it’s something I don’t like.
Actually..
that is the primary issue I have with the decision. If you look at the latest Conversation posts on symbian/MeeGo apps, there were to my recall apps from these dev champions. They should not promote them, if they are no more supported.
People need to understand that Nokia doesn’t want to develop OSes anymore, they dont want to build there own ecosystem anymore
there is windows & MS behind it, its enough for Nokia to build features to differentiate them
& how knows Nokia might be one of Jolla’s private investor’s? or another secrete plan.
What Im sure about is my next phone going be Nokia with WP8
& I might bye Jolla if they impress me “UI”
so Elop was a liar after all. what could you call this?? Elop Effect eXtended??
I told before that Nokia is ending all OS development inside Nokia and it is 100% windows phone what comes to 100e-> smartphones.
phones with buttons will always be left out from App world anyway and S40 is going to die out next 2 years and it will remain for few very basic phones.
That how Nokia will make money cut all extra people out and cut down company size to half what it is now or even more and sell WP8 phones and other OS that is not done by Nokia.
They only do hardware design and other hardware related patents and software side inside Nokia will only be services,maps with advertisement/search business and some extra mods for the OS like Pureview etc.
If Jolla can bring MeeGo a live in big time as Nro1 Linux based mobile OS. Nokia most likely will do phones with that OS next to WP.
“If Jolla can bring MeeGo a live in big time as Nro1 Linux based mobile OS. Nokia most likely will do phones with that OS next to WP.”
as they should. not try and cram symbian down people’s throat even when they know it sucks and expect people to buy it because its a nokia.
U can aswell change Symbian for WP in your last sentence
you could, but so far there nobody has come out and do a lee williams and admit their wp sucks and still they cram them down peoples throat have they?
@arts
Nah, MS decided to flush it down the toilet after futilely spending hundreds million of dollars trying to cram it down mobile consumers with huge marketing pushes.
So the answer is no then.
@arts
I thought my post was clear.
Sort of like a plan b i guess.
“and sell WP8 phones and other OS that is not done by Nokia”
did you say other OS???
@dsmobile…
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?224068-Ovi-reports-not-working/page30 also interesting, but more sad.
Don’t be sad,be happy. In fact a survey that just came out show Windows phone users are the happiest of all the OS’s. I’m happy…wouldnt you like to be happy too?
must be the same survey that placed it on top in amazon
So… Nokia is becoming just another OEM… No own Os, no own Ecocrap… Nokia will be just another one into the OEM pack, it will be just matter of time for them becoming a dull company, or in the best case they go the IBM route… Sad day, for dead man walking to souless man walking…
Hardly, just look at all the parts of Nokia:
1.lumia line
2. Asha line with the wow..311.
3. Mapping used in more places than you can imagine.
4. Broadband
5. PureView tech with huge possibilities.
6. Still owner of the N9 tech.
7. A large number of retail outlets that combined with a Microsoft Surface partnership could be huge.
Plus, Xbox,etc.
8. A huge new product creation ability with its vast resources.
9. A huge cross merchandise ability with a much lower cost with a Micro partnership.
10. A team in California looking for the next big thing.
On and on.
Nokia Corporation is completely commited to the Symbian Platform upgrades and updates and Accenture will partner them, The dropping of developer programme has nothing to do with that, Symbian OS is still 100 % a Symbian C++ Platform but then Rich Green made them open and port Qt APIs and framework support in a sense even ur s60 v5 is Qt compatible with some components.
To better summarise that for you folks Symbian developers have advantage to use cubersome but incredible Symbian C++ Avkon frame work to them and at the same time Qt support too so its u as a developer choose which path to walk… Now what Nokia did was that they hid all Avkon APIs and only publish Qt in their web site but Symbian is not totaly dependent on Qt.
Next wat happens to apps peopel will continue if money is gud even this gentleman will money is a very seductive mistress.
What happens to Qt??? develoers loose job, yes ofcourse but Nokia is wat I know considering a consulting business around Qt… some one here mentioned IBM… to be honest how Nokia is moving that way and it was agreed years ago that a day will come when device business will be shiit and then u need a consulting and services delivery model and for Nokia wat i guess is that those components are Core Nokia R&D, Mapping services, Imaging Solutions, Qt consulting, NSN assets and global service delivery model in broadband and $g and beyond technologies, legacy technology support..
Will windows 8 yes it must i swear by god its so good u guys yet have not seen what it is capable of its incredible and will make android and ios look kiddos… but problem is adoption its not all thats good sells well lumia 800 is by far a asset a jewel but sales dont reflect that.
Ans series 40 do u guys have even an idea wat u r talkin abt… u think series 0 is crap u guys will chew ur tongues just wait this fall…. series 40 on asha 311 is only a fraction of innovation on s40…..
but finlly fact is that folks on this blog are mostly not logical and are pseudo Nokia fans they are bothered abt linux minux… some gentle man commented Nokia was userfriendly and used linux come on sir u are contradicting…. how does to a customer means its running linux or meego or solaris if the UI is awesome, apps in abundance and features incredible… Ha ha … real fools …
wait for Nokia world and just wait for Nokia world the innovation features design and products and services will put cold water on all nay sayers ….Nokia is all ready .. yes its Blitzkrieg.
I can not predict sales yes i can not but god it must sell in millions of units as the stuffs are honestly incredible.
By the way lets end with a funny info for all of u do u guys know QQt is not only for C++ but also Java however that developmnt was stopped long back and then again started by crack team
hmmm. you work for nokia?
If that “person” works for Nokia, then Nokia is in even bigger trouble than I thought. In the times of Nokia before Elop or ‘NBE’, the people working for Nokia used to be quite literate and could easily write perfectly coherent sentences in English. This person clearly is unable to do that.
Wait for September… I have been waiting for so long…
Will Windows 8 succed??? who know, MS has done a BIG gamble putting an Touch oriented UI (Metro) on machines that aren’t designed for that (I have remenber MS BOB, a program that was intended to make computers easy, it failed), even Apple haven’t tried that, Has MS jump to early or have they do the work in the right time this time??? 2014 will tell us.
Windows 8 will sell??, yes it will OEM are eagerly waiting to sell you new hardware (specially if it cost a little more)
Will Windows Phone 8 succed??? Still who know… Maybe this time they can do it… before many trys…
An Angry (at this pace Ex in few months) Nokia Power User… Bring back my maemo!!!…
W8 will go or will not go, I am not interested talking frankly. Last 10 years have changed our world to more open and free software as Linux is. The boiling atmosphere around Jolla and MeeGo is visible signum temporis. Of course M$ have lots of money, but it is ugly and not sexy. I prefer more cool Linux, that is the future. I want to be my phone’s master, I don’t want to be ruled by my phone. That is my personal choice.
Well, all I can say is that for Nokia’s sake, hope you are correct!
I appreciate the info you wrote.
Only problem is the technical aspect of s40, if based on Java will not make me chew my tongue. It might look fancy and all but long term s40 (if Java based) will slow down innovation and slower new product release.
Isn’t the Java bit only about (first and third party) app development, and nothing to do with the OS itself? or do I misunderstand its role completely (highly possible
)?
You are from??? You don’t strike me as a developer, Usually they have better English skills.
WP8 incredible??? what have you seen that we did not???
Hope is not incredible like wp7 was…