MNB Reader Generated: Symbian or Android?
I got this email from someone called Parasaran Kumar his experience of Symbian Nokia handsets and how they stack up to Android. We’ve not featured him before at MNB Reader Generated. There is no edit to this, just some slight formatting.
Android or Symbian?
People will fall about laughing if I say Symbian, the dying mobile Operating System is better than the Android. The fact is, Symbian is better than Android as an Operating System. I personally tested Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc and Nokia E7. To my surprise I found that the E7 with only a single core ARM 11 at 680 MHz was prompter while the Sony that packs a much faster 1.4 GHz Snapdragon was taking time to load certain applications. Booting was faster in E7 and multi-tasking on Nokia was mind-blowing.
What is so good about the Android?
Answer: Android has more eye-candy applications but it isn’t as fast as Nokia Belle when it comes to functionality and performance.
Now,
What is bad about the Nokia Belle?
Answer: Belle has a smaller amount of applications but it doesn’t lack the essential and well-known applications.
When Nokia released the 6600 phone way back on 2003, no other phone could overpower the 6600 until the release of the i-Phone which changed the epoch of the mobile world!
Now the question is
What is so special about the i-phones?
Answer: Touch response, huge collections of applications and its attractive User Interface (UI). Apple is user friendly to a convinced degree but not as easy as the Symbian.
When apple released the i-phone for the first time, people were charmed by its bar model without the keypad and its touch response. It marked the beginning of silky capacitive touch phones and that’s where the Nokia began to grow fainter. Apple was not the only company that was responsible for Nokia’s decline but Nokia itself was the main reason for its weakening. Apple was leading the race and Nokia was following. On 2006, the Symbian foundation came up with the Symbian UIQ which can be customised to user’s requirement and still it remains as one of the best OS though it lacks applications and those sugar coated UI but UIQ has the apps that even most of the phones do not have today.Nokia was getting ahead and instead of improving on the UIQ they ditched the UIQ for Symbian S60. Many of the talented design engineers of the UIQ migrated to Google since the company did not survive the market. Every awesome designs and innovations in UIQ 4 were implemented in Android. And today Nokia is making a big mistake by ditching the Symbian. Nokia might have a great opportunity with the windows phone 8 (WP8) but it is the Symbian which gave the Nokia its flamboyant outfit.
At this instant, my question is
What do people want?
People do not get phones based on their requirement if that wasn’t the case then basic models would have flooded the markets. People look for phones that have set a vogue in the market (Android and Apple). They require a million apps on their phone as if they use all of them and bar model without key pad which is the current trend. There are people who choose their phone based on their requirement and they are the ones who really do not utilise the full capacity of the phone. People who push their phones to or beyond limits are the ones who really know which phone is the finest and I have done this to all my phones including a Micromax phone. All smart phones have apps, the problem is that people are so indoctrinated with android/iOS mass manipulation, they have no clue that Symbian has all the important apps, and works perfect with them. People didn’t know what a smart phone is until the release of Apple and Blackberry. It would have been wonderful if Apple and Blackberry were just fruits.
Everyone must understand a basic difference between Hardware, Operating System (OS) and Performance. It is not that a phone with 1.2 GHZ dual-core or a quad-core will never freeze or a phone that has a 500 MHZ will always get stuck. If a phone executes well (booting speed, loading of apps and UI) even on a processor that has less than 800MHZ, that is called performance. It is the job of the Operating System to make them perform even on a low configured Hardware. Most of the android phones have good performance because of its hardware but none of the Androids will work as effective as Symbian on the outdated ARM processor with less than 800 MHZ.
Windows Phone 8 might be the future for Microsoft but definitely not for Nokia. I am not imparting that Nokia will not succeed with WP8 plan but I don’t think they can be big enough like Apple or Google is today, and if they stick with MeeGo/Symbian plan they can be success like them. Nokia has put itself in an awkward position by negligence of care for their Operating Systems.
I recommend Nokia to develop devices with the latest hardware similar to the Galaxy SIII. Imagine a Nokia with 2 GHZ Quad-Core that runs on the updated Symbian, with new 4 million updated HD apps and has 41MP camera sensor. Sounds groovy right? It is high time that Nokia should stop the monotony and invest time in applications and on Research & Development.
I still didn’t forget the days when Nokia released the 6600, N-gage QD and the N-series. None dare to overthrow these models. It had limitations but people were happy with its technology. I still operate my Panasonic TV with 6600 but unfortunately we cannot do it with the present-day phones. Nokia can probably work on the late technology Infrared (IR), phones with touch plus QWERTY keypad and on N-gage apps. Nokia can invest more on R&D and reward the developers for each of their creations instead of ditching the Symbian. Nokia should also work on ground-breaking technology like the Nokia 888 concept. I completely appreciate the heroic and daring attempt of Nokia for not aiming at Android. Nokia should always remain unique and legendary as it is, always.
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Nokia is eating shit. Great article man, this is the only way nokia can survive.
LOL yes they killed meego and just still have symbian till 2016
the 808 is already what every symbian user has been asking about….now too pump up symbian….as in FOLLOW THE Friggin model tree
they should have continued with symbian donna and added massive amounts of UI looks from Meego since they killed it instead of prettying up s40 touch >.> the drop down menu should have been added to symbian not s40….s40 against low budget androids are doing shit all
and in donna i ment dual core models with VASTLY improved UI and functionality…..symbian still doesn’t have native hotspot tethering and it’s annoying
Nobody would buy it anyway.
you don’t know that at all…if Nokia had pushed the Nokia Air concept people would drop andoid,iOS and not even concider WP
And that’s just bullshit. Symbian was so bad for so long that it doesn’t matter what they come up with it. Look how much media bashed 808 because of symbian. It does matter even if it’s okey, it needs to be perfect and at this point even the Air wouldn’t help it.
And I doubt that Air would be ready at this point. Even Donna wasn’t supposed to be up yet.
This, times a million. Symbian is still bashed quite a lot, whether or not it deserves it, and it will affect sales.
I don’t know the truth of the matter, but wasn’t it mentioned many times that one of the reasons Nokia stuck to the same cpu was because it would have been too much work to get Symbian running on other hw. Too much work, for thousands of developers.
Symbian has been ported to other hardware. The biggest problem with symbian is its older APIs.
you don’t know that at all…if Nokia had pushed the Nokia Air concept people would drop andoid,iOS and not even consider WP
There are no magical comebacks. If people have a bad opinion (no matter if it’s right or wrong) about a product it doesn’t matter if you make a lot of changes to it, people will not care about it and will continue to bash it.
if you fix things people wont have anthing to complain about…duh
But they do. Symbian Belle fixed a lot of stuff and people keep complaining about the same things.
I’m not saying that those opinions are right, but they do count. Once you have your name stained by something of your past it’s almost impossible to make a comeback because people remembre what happened and don’t give second chances. They preffer to purchase products that don’t have history full of problems, which is na acceptable point of view.
Belle did fix alot of stuff but also removed a lot of stuff.
Theres design inconsistanties with symbian belle as well and the stupid <- button (WHY WHY WHY)
Very true.
Some people seem to hate Android just because they have decided it’s not efficient enough. No matter if the top devices work like a charm. Android is a very good OS landing between Symbian and iOS.
Some other people hate anything made by Apple just because they don’t like to see them making killer products. No matter how well the products work. Apple is offering the best possible user experience for people interested in using the features available.
Unfortunately Symbian is interesting for only a small group of people. It’s a good OS for some people but it’s a niche market. It’s an OS for geeks. Not for regular people like Android and iOS. You may expect people to use it for the geek stuff but there is no way the regular people would be interested enough.
That’s totally right! that’s why in the other day I told “deep space bar” that what is good for him doesn’t have to be necessarily good for Nokia. He wants “geek” features that most people don’t care about. Nokia can’t aim for that geek minority. Nokia has to persue the masses and, again, “deep space bar” doesn’t like this, but nowadays the companies from the USA are the ones creating good products for the masses with features that “normal poeople” care about.
Hmm.. geek features for example? I see android have the potential of doing those things more. Firmware-modding can be done, fm transmitter and usb-on-the go are all present in SGS3.
Bullshit. Windows 7 is just Vista with less intrusive security and better comparability. Everyone hated Vista. Not the case with 7
yep and it will be even worse with Windows8…it looks like shit
no apps = no sale.
Qt = no apps, before or after feb 11.
LOL they are a ton of Qt based and Qt Ported apps on symbian…what drugs have you been taking
Apps that mainstream consumers want, genius. Consumers aren’t thinking “does it have an obscure geek app?” they’re thinking “does it have Evernote and words with friends?” Go to the top 100 apps on ios or android and tell me how many Qt had. You could even go back to those lists on feb 10 2011 and see the same problem.
WP was almost as bad at that point, there was a clear cut plan going forward to change what your describing…
But it never got close to even 4th gear before the strategy change, so please stop trying to misrepresent things.
how about jolla or meego is they can save nokia????
No, no and no. Idea itself is stupid. Nokia smartphones will succeed using WP OS, whether you believe it or not.
it’s past april 1st
errm nokia did not develop uiq, it was its own entity and licensed to sony ericsson ad ntt docomo, until it was bought by sony ericsson.
SE then sold UIQ to motorola.
Nokia wholly bought symbian so obviously pushed their own ui – s60 as opposed to uiq, which was far better for touch. No idea why they did not revive and build upon s80/90 though.
S60 was the better than uiq for keypad driven but uiq or s90 with some work far exceeded s60′s capabilities.
Nokia tried their best to keep binary compatibility all the way from OS 9.1 to 9.6, with the plan to break binary compatibility by replacing avkon with qt – but all this came too late.
Ironic that now WP8 will break compatibility with WP7 – which Nokia always strived to work against.
The wp platform goes against many of nokia’s ethos that has been presented in previous phones.
choosing wp in so many ways was the worst of the worst choices nokia could have made.
+10000000000000000000000000000000
I think a comparison between N9 and Android is fairer i hate Symbian so much nowadays i don’t use my BRAND NEW 808 anymore … the N9 couldn’t leave my hands ..
why do you hate symbian…cause if it’s just the UI…they there is nothing to complain about
I don’t like Symbian because:
1) The UI isn’t user friendly;
2) It is not fluid and lags a lot (compared to iOS or Android Jelly Bean);
3) Reboots to often;
4) Many major apps and games don’t have a Symbian version;
5) Doesn’t have a strong supporting ecosystem (PC and Tablets);
6) Not compatible with the most advanced hardware specs.
What I like about Symbian:
1) Being able to run pirate apps/games;
2) The camera of my N8.
lol i’ve never had a reboot problem
-UI is fine Belle is way better
-hardware specs…..stop being a needy brat
-ecosystem lacks
and for lagging stop installing BS on the phone’s drive
- My N8 reboots like once a day (too much in my opinion);
- I have Belle on my N8 and there are still tasks that should be easier to perform, like organizing your apps and your folders, understanding where are some settings because the tools menu is not intuitive, there is no voice search like Android and iOS have;
- Hardware is a shit yes! Symbian phones can’t run good 3D games properly. And yes, the best Symbian phones cost as much as an iPhone or a Galaxy SIII, so no reason to have such inferior specs comparing to them.
- I have a lot of free space in my N8! This has been happening since I bought it and I have my apps always closed, It’s just bad quality and optimization of the OS.
Forgot to mention another good thing that I like (yes, because unlike you, I can see the pros and cons of a product, not a fanboy like you agains everything that comes from the USA). I like the battery life of Symbian.
um NFS,Eternal Legacy,GT moto acadamy,spiderman,assassin’s creed,uno,Hero of sparta,Worms,Fruit ninja,angry birds,dungeon hunter 2,real golf,tetris,guitar rock tour…..i’ve played all these on my N8 and there is no problem with them…they work great and don’t lag at all plus they are all HD games so please stop talking out your ass please cause the N8 has a very powerful GPU in it as you can tell from the HD games…..elop neglected the fact that the hardware is capable of handling heavy games
the hardware isn’t the problem. it’s the stuff outside of nokia’s control…3rd party developers.
Buy yourself a official belle devices and say this.808 gpu is 4 time more powerfull than n8.cpu is 2 times more powerfull than the n8.so it run 3d games way better than n8.look at games like the adventure of tintin.you can’t expect a phone with 680mhz and lousy gpu to let you run 3d games like Samsung galaxy s3.
Lol! Why spend all of that money on a 808, when the fact remains that the apps for Symbian are subpar and lacking in volume and quality…Money is better spent on a GSIII, Windows Phone, or even iPhone!
+1
I was shocked that there was no native voice recording, stopwatch on the android phones that I use.
btw, I prefer the touch and type ui of uiq than asha or s60 or s^3
Ok guys, there is one thing Nokia does perfect on its flagship devices, hell i would even say budget devices, some people prefer quality, im one of those, i dont give a single damn to apps or speed…blame me for having a smartphone but using it as a featurephone…
that one thing is Build Quality and Choice of Materials, Look at the SGS3, then look at Nokia x1-01, the latter having a more solid build than the other flagship which costs 20 times as much… i prefer the build of the 808,N8,E7,N9 over ANY phone in the world… look at samsung, no doubt excellent phones, but wheres the build quality u expect when u pay so much? then come the features, small things that make a diff, usb otg, fm tx, that breathing notification light thats been on symbians since ever n ever… built in fully functional file mgr, i mean i want my devices to work out of the box and not needing apps even for the most basic of things… i love holding my 808, even though my S3 is apparently way more advanced and capable… so on and so forth, people might not agree with me some of them…but those who have used flagships like n8/e7/n9/808 will surely know that premium build counts too… not just the number of apps and features… and yeah, premium doesnt mean an ORO or a Vertu etc… plain plastic build can be respectable too, and so can be aluminum… for those who say metal isnt good for reception, well look at n8/e7. the antennas have always been placed well, even in any nokia device, reception is priority… HTC’s have better builds in the android realm, but then, hold the top and wifi and cellular reception gets a hit, or one the One X, please grip it tightly so that your wifi signal remains strong… like WTF, dont these devices even pass quality control testing…
and that’s why i always end up going back to nokia cause the symbian ad the wicked build quality they have with their handsets
Yes, I walk into a store and see the androids and I’m completely turned off.
let wp8 to came even android will vanish no1 will know its trail also coz wat ever technology u invent it will have its own time limit, and android already had its time now its death time and it will go down for sure…. this will happen in a year or so………
Firstly Android is going to die on tablets (I hope that by this time next year there are no more Android tablets in the market), than smartphones but that will take longer unfortunatly.
no one wants Windows so stop trolling please
Can you personally vouch for everybody?
you’ll see
All I can see is someone who refuses to accept that people have differing opinions. Your arrogance, in assuming that you speak for EVERYONE, is quite amusing in a naive kind of way.
kinda… AMERICAN no? =P
I want windows. There, just proved you wrong.
What I have now:
Asus N55S, game/entertainment – Not powerful enough, worst keyboard ever
Lenovo T400, work – Too bloody heavy
Asus Transformer – Awkward, under-utilized, manga-reader
N8, 50% Gravity, 50% everything else – Too small for surfing in bed.
C2, trusty reliable work phone.
Something need to be done, I may consolidate tablet and my smartphone. Seems like my personal pc, work pc, and phablet/phone will be *Windows*.
you are dreaming, don’t underestimate android tablet, MAYBE android is no match for ios6 & winrt for tablets, but android tablets are very very cheap. In my country, you can find local branded android tablet with price below $100
Doesn’t anyone think that Jolla and Nokia will merge after a couple of good years/ year?
I think Nokia should use Android. Imagine a Nokia phone with a software like Android. I would put all my Samsung phones aside. I can’t use symbian anymore!
It would cost a fortune.
it’s costing them a fortune with friggin windows regardless
@ poiman
symbian isnt user friendly? Are you kidding me? Just an example if you connect your mobile to your pc do you know hard it is on an android device while on symbian you just set mass storge on default the you plug in. Whats not user friendly about that? Same goes with alot of other stuff.
Plus my n8 reboots atleast 2times a month so i dont know whats wrong with that.
You dont even mention how feature rich symbian is or how easy it to switch apps or how good the ram management and battery life is.
All of you like to just blame symbian and symbian alone while it is nokia who neglected it and uses outdated hardware.
Like this guy said give me atleast a dual core, 1gb ram, 32gb storage, 720p screen, 1800mAh battery, 41mp pv camera with belle fp2, meego/micro b browser, then we’ll see how many of still will dislike symbian
+1
..and a native facetime feature..
it has native 3g calling feature, fring support video
it’s not as easy as you think to use like the rest of them it should be easy since they where the first to implement it
“Symbian isnt user friendly? Are you kidding me? Just an example if you connect your mobile to your pc do you know hard it is on an android device while on symbian you just set mass storge on default the you plug in. Whats not user friendly about that? Same goes with alot of other stuff.”
It’s just easier to have all the countent of your phone stored on the cloud instead of having to connect it to your PC.
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“Plus my n8 reboots atleast 2times a month so i dont know whats wrong with that.”
Mine reboots once a day. It’s unaceptable. Sometimes I’m not even touching it, it’s on standby and it reboots.
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“You dont even mention how feature rich symbian is or how easy it to switch apps or how good the ram management and battery life is.”
Switching apps on Symbian is as easy as on Android. The battery management I told some posts above this one that it’s good.
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“All of you like to just blame symbian and symbian alone while it is nokia who neglected it and uses outdated hardware.”
The OS isn’t compatible with dual core for exemple, or with higher resolution displays.
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“Like this guy said give me atleast a dual core, 1gb ram, 32gb storage, 720p screen, 1800mAh battery, 41mp pv camera with belle fp2, meego/micro b browser, then we’ll see how many of still will dislike symbian.”
Not going to happen, so I don’t understand why do you guys keep crying about this instead of moving on. I mean, all these smartphones are just objects but you treat them as if they were your life or members of your family… god, they are just objects, just use the best one available and stop crying about those who are not being used anymore!
please stop talking out your ass
Truth hurt I know…
no it’s stop making shit up…as a 7 year nokia user and a 6 year symbian user you are talking pure shit
I’ve had Nokia since 2001, with Nokia 3330, followed by a Nokia 3510i. After that I had my first Symbian, a Nokia 6600, that was in 2003, so I’ve been a Symbian user for 9 years. I also had a Nokia 5310XpressMusic and a Nokia N8. As you see your numbers don’t impress me. I can compare the history of Nokia, what it was more than 10 years ago and what it has been since the iPhone was launched. If you think that Nokia has had the same quality over the last 10 years you are mistaken. I remember the times when Nokia was good and I want it to be good again, but it’s not making their own failed OS that they will comeback.
6270,E70,N76,5800,N900,N8..and soon to be 808PV
and i also remember how good they where but having a fail company to help when they’ve failed themselves isn’t gonna make anything better
like they said…two chickens don’t make a hawk
A fail company? A company who has 90% of the computers marketshare is a fail company?
Computers are not the same as phones.
The point is, is that Microsoft is not failing as a company!
and when you are the generic OS…who else will be using it….the GERNERAL PUBLIC AKA THE NORM…..alot of people have been complaining about how shit windows is for years…….why do you think people have been moving to linux or iOS
If your N8 reboots once a day, you probably have a bad one, or there is some issue with an app. I go for weeks without rebooting mine.
Just switch to a Galaxy Nexus from N8 for about 3 weeks. It never reboot itself.
Symbian3 itself have dual core kernel.symbian4 will have multicore support.go and google Symbian3 roadmap.720p support?who say it doesn’t have.you connect the phone to a gd tv,that’s 720p right?the tv-out feature is 720p since Symbian3.way bf android.haha.
Symbian belle is still great while comparing android….But still have to got price point as compared to Samung galaxy Y .If nokia bring symbian belle UI to S40 touch system..It is amazing .The lots of app can be optimized for development..Porting and multitaskings can be possible..
Set as wallpaper is heart of mobile operating system.Meego UI is deficiency of set as wallapaper..The fluid os should be prepared.Youtube streaming should be fluid..
translation?
Samsung Galaxy S III or S II best,fluid android(nexus series gud).. Other manufacturers can’t get that sort of fluidity in Android.. So compare Bell with Pure Android or Samsung’s
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Symbian 10.1 > Android 4.1
@poiman, storing in cloud is easier?? BS!!! You can’t do that without internet.
Nokia’s stronghold is at developing countries, but nokia now is using internet dependent OS! Very silly
Nokia’s mission nowadays is to recover marketshare in developed countries, where people have Internet these days.
Other countries have other strategies: S40
Let me put some sense…
Nokia’s mission nowadays is to recover marketshare in developed countries for MS. The developing nations cannot have symbian but will get WP7 or s40.
Nokia’s mission is for MS to gain some mobile respect.
+1
100% true….i will go for nokia if they choose MeeGo or Symbian….. Now f**k nokia we allready have jolla… No more nokia.
What do you have with Jolla? Until now you have nothing but promises… and they sound like the ones old Nokia always gave (with MeeGo) but never delivered. Time will tell…
Never delivered? That’s funny…
They FINALLY started to get the lions share of resources instead of Symbian for the 1st time, but shortly after that most of it was pulled & the strat. entirely re-geared.
Never delivered… indeed…
Do you remember how late MeeGo was? Do you remember that “we” never got MeeGo but Maemo in the end?
I remember that the purported delivery time (in the popular media) was always massively overly ambitious, & I remember that the team tasked with delivering were significantly weakened LONG before they’d even hatched harmattan, which DID delay delivery by at least 2mth.
And WTF are you talking about, Maemo 6x (harmattan) was ALWAYS on the roadmap, there was MEANT to be at least 3 Harmattan devices before the 1st MeeGo proper devices were to start arriving from about H2 2012 onwards.
I remember the N9 was released before WP7 devices. Let’s not pretend to forget that Meego was ready 2 years before the upcoming WP8 OS.
So what got delayed again?
I agree on a lot of things with this article… But mostly, IMHO, I think it’s not about what a OS is better, since all OSes have their strong points and almost every OS will be better than the others at something… So when it comes down to chosing a new phone, it will be a matter of personal preference, what you like the most or what suits your needs best… Unless, like most of the mass population, you’re easy to brainwash and buy an iPhony or android phone cause it is what everyone else has or because the ads say that they are the best phones.
anyway, for me though, what saddens me the most in the fact that nokia has dropped symbian and, specially, MeeGo, is that now when you buy a Nokia phone, you won’t be buying a Nokia phone (at least not like before), you’ll be buying a Windows Phone… Now, Nokia will be just another brand that makes windows phones, just like HTC, and LG are other brands that makes android phones… And for guys like me that used a Nokia phone like 3210 as their 1st phone ever, we are used to seing Nokia phones as something unique, different from the other phones that almost all looked the same… Now, Nokia will be just another windows phone, and don’t give that differentiating with with Nokia Maps and Drive BS, cause at the end of the day most people don’t know about that and won’t use it that much, and Nokias will be just another windows phone… Maybe I’m wrong, but how I feel and think right now.
Nokia had a chance to keep its identity with MeeGo, and do something different, and with great potential, and not necessarily meaning, not going with the Windows Phone plan, but maybe even create a link/ecosystem of some sort between the 2, and let people choose, let the customers decide what they want. Instead, the way they chose to go (windows phone), andthey chose to just become another one in the bunch (and not even the good or big one at least yet), and they chose an OS with very little market traction, and unknown to most people (in practical terms),and worst of all, a full on nokia windows phone thing, meaning you want nokia, you gotta get windows phone, no other choices, it’s like they’re working for M$ and not themselves or the customers who made them who they are, and that for some long date nokia customers like myself and others just isn’t acceptable…
cheers!
If by unic you mean less developers support, which is what was happening with Symbian and what would have happened with MeeGo, then I preffer to be just another OEM that is included in a bigger ecosystem and has more support.
ok, good for you then that Nokia chose WP, you’ll get what you want.
and me too, luckily I’ve got other choices… If I’m going to have to go for an internet relying phone OS, I’m going for the best in the market, meaning (and I can’t believe I’m saying this cause I don’t like iPhone) iOS or android which are already well established, have a huge user base, and unarguably the biggest amount of apps, instead of an iOS/android wanna be OS (windows phone), and don’t get me wrong WP looks good and promising, but still missing a lot of stuff, and apps to, since it will be an app dependable phone like the others. Maybe in 5 years WP will be good enough in terms of functionalities and apps.
cheers.
P.S.: oh, windows tablets though seem really great… And if they’re already compatible with the apps currently in windows… Than I’m totally getting one.
problem is, the number of consumers who consider a phone based on its being “unique” is a tiny fraction of those who buy it because it looks nice and has apps.
Qt had already failed to gain traction even when milloins and millions of Qt Symbian devices were being osld. What is so hard to get about that?
RIM’s BB10 will be nice and uniquely RIM too. And it will fail.
The first full version QT toolkit was ready to be released in March 2011. Most developers were waiting for it, cause it would be wiser and easier to be coding with QT.
Then Feb 2011 announcement came, guess where most developers ran to … right my boy Android not WP7, most coders knew WinCE was wrong and shortsighted.
So what was Qt before that? Pure vaporware? Seems to me there was a Qt SDK. Check web archive.org
Incognito’s explained all this in-depth before, he’s far more clued-up, why conveniently ignore it or do you like air-brushing history?
how many people actually used android before claiming its less featured than symbian or its apps are better just because it has more eye candy? i relly wonder.
i have they looks nice and all but fuck….it’s annoying every 3 months and it’s the same shit and nothing new
Oh, so symbian has/had new stuff every 3 months? My N8 has had the same apps for more than 2 months, not because I don’t want new apps but because the existing ones suck (99% of them).
maybe you hate only m$ or you hate everything american.
At any rate, its definitely NOT the same shit as symbian.
I’m typing this comment on Samsung galaxy tab 2, but I still feel that symbian with higher specs with be better than android devices.
i completely agree the tablet experience on android is an utter piece of crap, the browser is fine, but guess what? the input lags, sometimes up to a few seconds. wtf right?
BUT, is it fair to compare a tablet to a phone? o.0 why not a phone with a phone?
LOL I was just in a phone shop where a guy came in and talked to a rep asking what’s the best phone for him, the guy showed him some phones and every time the buyer asked “does it have dual core” while finally I asked the guy why does he want dual/quad core in his phone and he said that it makes the phone super fast. I couldn’t help but just to LOL! But after I explained to the guy how the the UI works, I actually then ask the rep why do you need dual cores in your phone and he said its best for fullhd playback and recording and games. I then asked if that’s true how on earth does the nokia pv 808 have an old outdated single core Cpu record far better then all dual and quad core phones! both of them couldn’t answer me but the rep told me he would buy a digital cam instead of a 41mp camera phone then I told him “If you want dual/quad cores go buy yourself a laptop or tablet then! later on the buyer actually asked me if his making a mistake buyin a S3 where I told him If playing games and downloading apps is his thing buy a iphone/android but if you like photos and video’s with the best sat nav buy a 808.
The guy actually changed his mind and bought a 808, while when I went to the rep and asked what colors they have for the 808 he just told me black in a angry voice!
From now on will I never listen to these people who sell you phones in shops because for them they just want to sell the popular phones while they know there are better available but just because it aint IOS or Android they never mention them!
good job bro..my best friend that wanted my N8 went out last week and bought his own..
he’s soo damn happy now and he upgraded from my 5230 that i lent him prior to that and now for me to upgrade to the 808PV unicorn/stormtrooper.. white…i’ll also be getting crazy accessories for this baby for the first time/camera stand and holder,camera lens case and HDMI cable and as well the 360 speaker 
samsung bribes the sales guys. it’s a well-known fact. shame, really.
so does microsoft……>.> they are no different
symbian has its own advantage but still its quiet long on its tooth to exist in 2012.android had matured from a crappy os to class leading one within few years.a decade old symbian is still not good enough as android/meego on an overall basis.
I also see how Nokia could really differentiate with going for an in house os like symbian or meego. Too bad that it would be too costly for the company to sustain and further develop symbian meego and windows phone simultaneously so they have to focus on the lumias. I think it would have been great if we were given a choice.
I really hope that Asha Touch devices could somehow be the alternative soon bring in more upgrades for that platform.
You seriously believe that?! That’s not the reason why Symbian and MeeGo were slaughtered. The reason was to get rid of WP’s competition so that Microsoft would have any possible chance with their OS.
And besides, WP is developed by Microsoft, not Nokia. Nokia is just an OEM that makes the hardware. So there shouldn’t be OS development costs for Nokia.
This shows that you have never worked in a phone company and have no idea everything that goes into making phones.
um that’s what exactly happen….wake up and open your eyes and see th e bigger picture….nokia isn’t not even a finnish company anymore just a finnish name….what they use is not even finnish….i hope jolla succeeds and tears nokia a new asshole for abandoning it’s traditions
Traditions of building buggy, delayed, frustrating phones like the N97 and N8?
Check other major OEM’s support channels next time you have a few hours.
And many of them DON’T have to worry about much of the sw side of things.
i have 3 Symbian,e63 mini 97, n8 and one belle 701 and they are good and usefull,i think that maemo harmattan was the right way, and WP like another but not the only OS
elop fucked up by taking almost every option available to all Nokia users
from symbian,Meego/Maemo/s40 to Wp/s40…WTF is that about
picking a less convoluted and expensive strategy, for starters..
samsung is fine nokia needs their shit straight and they still haven’t cause it got worse when elop came around
Symbian development cost must less then the licensing cost of WP.
Let me give u an example:
nokia sold 100 million smartphones
Symbian “suggested” R&D cost $1 billion
$10 per device
Ms will charge more than $10 per smartphone
usually around $15
100million smartphones
Total cost $1.5 billion
Now MS might pay something for licensing maps etc. But Nokia could have earned more from the holding their own OS by selling apps, music etc.
Now my boy about Meego, oh dear cost much much lesser .
It’s probable Nokia spent $3 billion or more for smartphone OS development. They just didn’t have the money for R&D.
Nokia was too slow with the OS development. They were falling more and more behind Apple and Google. Nokia didn’t have the features people wanted.
@poiman, ridiculous move! Chasing something, but letting go another thing that already in grasp. Some of nokia buyers at those developing countries are smartphone buyers, not dumbphone, they won’t buy S40!
+1
And a lot of those smartphone users in developing countries want an experience that does not necessarily rely on access to the web to make the phone shine due to costs or infra support / availability as well as compatibility with family/ friends devices. Bluetooth support is big in the Philippines because of image, video and audio sharing. Im quite sure the philippines is not the only case by far.
my bro says dont go for pv808 coz android is future and i say i will stop using phones if android is the future (coz i hate shitdroid) btw the future is wp8 and till 2016 who knows!!!!!
why don’t you listen to want you want after all it’s your phone not your brothers :/
I must admit Symbian today is much faster than the past and got lot of improvements but the BROWSER still laggy and too far behind other OS.
Nokia should do what Samsung has been doing. Give consumers their choice of OS by using multiple devices. then we would have the choice of top notch phones with s40, s60, Android or MeeGo. Give customers a choice in OS and they will Fla Co back to Nokia. by trying to shove wp crap down everybody throat, Nokia is only alienating customers. Trying to win customers over to wp is going to take too long to save Nokia given the bad reputation windows as a brand has. Hope the stupid CEO of Nokia has the truth shoved down his throat or is replaced before Nokia becomes a foot note in the history of mobile
Samsung is very happy at the moment. Elop thought he could move Nokia consumers from Symbian to WP7 but consumers ran to Android.
The overall improvements in Android OS helped improved Samsung sales but Elop did help Samsung alot.
Not even a day, Now Samsung getting into wp too… stupid elop, now do you see how the old Nokia’s plan of slowly shifting their own customer base from their OWN OS to their OWN new OS would have been better than using crappy wp? Nokia has no control over usability of the OS, but even worse is that OS is a prostitute and goes to whoever pays. at least Android is a more popular prostitute and Nokia would have made more sales. Samsung is gonna keep it’s lead in the market by using old Nokia tactics. All the best Samsung. Sadly gonna be the end of Nokia unless it goes back to old strategy. How much did Nokia waste on elop’s salary for the past 2 years?
You can always tell when someone is regurgitating Tomi Ahonen talking points