Lumia 920 Sales “Better Than Expected”, Completely Sold Out in Germany, Stock Prices Rising

| November 19, 2012 | 127 Replies

We’ve heard multiple stories about how well/moderate the Lumia 920 is doing in terms of sales; the latest of which states that the Lumia 920 has completely sold out in all of Germany! This latest bit of news has lead to a sharp increase in Nokia’s stock price (over 6% – the highest gain in over a month) pushing the stock price close to $3.00.

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Related to the same topic multiple reports have come in that the Lumia 920 sales have “exceeded expectations” which would explain the Out Of Stock in most stores. Of course we’re used to hearing this sort of thing about any product launch; so we won’t know until we some actual figures. But for now as was the with the Lumia 900, the Lumia 920 has topped Amazon’s Mobile Phone sales (on At&t) resting comfortably above the GS3, Note 2 and One X.

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  • LOL

    Fantastic!

    • ms.nokia

      :)

    • Eric

      Not really, I’ve been trying to get one from Germany for 3 weeks now. It’s not available where I live. :/

      • Noki
        • spencer1978

          Some people say Lumia 920 is thick and heavy, but those are only one aspects, just like iPhone 5´s map fiasco and its tiny screen. Besides, Lumia 920´s weight is only about Galaxy Note II. What is so heavy about it?
          Lumia 920 is a bit thick because of these features:
          Floating lens PureView camera with optical image stabilization
          Wireless charging
          NFC
          Super bright and sensitive screen with Gorillaglass 2

          And Lumia 920 has 32 GB storage + 7 GB Skydrive storage.

          Apple´s profit is high because of the expensive prices, but how long do you think that kind of high profit would last? Forever?
          Amazon´s and Google´s tablets are eating iPad´s market share, carriers are tired of Apple iPhone´s high margins. When Apple gets the pressure to cut down prices, it will show immediately in their results that the profit won´t be at the same high level any more, which will hit the stock downhill quarter after quarter.
          So, analyze and decide yourself.

          My friend sent me a short article from Dubai a few days ago. He used googletranslate to translate this article for me and sent me in an email. He said his father went to buy one and a half million more NOK shares, and his father´s friends are all planning to buy. So, it is very interesting to wait and see which ones will win, the young tigers or the rich people in Dubai.

          Here is the article:

          There is a big name behind the people who hope Nokia collapses

          Nokia shares are the most short-sold shares in Helsinki and New York. Last Friday, an updated list of the six U.S. funds have sold short more than seven per cent of Nokia shares in Helsinki and in New York over 300 million Nokia shares have been short-sold.

          Nokia short-selling funds, only one was not fund guru Julian Robertson’s younger followers. Robertson founded one of the world’s first hedge funds in 1980. The company’s name was Tiger Management, which is why the followers are called tiger puppies.

          Short seller to assume that the share price drops in the future. If the share price goes up, the value of their investment fall.

          Among them include the Blue Ridge Capital’s John Griffin, Maverick Capital’s Lee Ainslie, Andreas Halvorsen of Viking Global, and Lone Pine Capital’s Steve Mandel. All mentioned “tiger kittens” have shorted Nokia.

          Andreas Halvorsen has distributed more power to young portfolio managers.

          ABG Sundal Collier says in their report today that the Lumia 920 makes people interested in it and marks the comeback of the brand of Nokia.
          Caleb Evans

          • spencer1978

            Nokia is now a good bargain buy and hold for the long term or medium term. Here are the reasons why:

            1. Nokia Siemens Networks is profitable and growing strongly (over 300 million euros profit in 3Q). Nokia and Siemens have decided to make it independent in these few years, therefore Nokia shareholders will have two companies´ shares in their hands, quite a good bonus.

            2. Navteq is profitable as well, and it is expanding its business as the world´s leading maps maker, with City Lens and Earthmine´s 3D mapping, Nokia will have a bigger slice of this pie yet.
            Right now, Navteq already has big clients such as Yahoo, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle and almost countless car companies.

            3. Nokia´s patent portfolio earns about 500 million euros a year.
            Samsung is paying Apple for intellectual property rights; HTC is paying Apple; Vringo is suing ZTE; Nokia is suing HTC; and APPLE IS PAYING NOKIA FOR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS!
            Thus, it is only a matter of time when Nokia will sue Google and Samsung, if they still don´t agree to pay Nokia for its patents.

            4. Nokia´s featurephone division is doing well with Asha phones

            5. The only 1 out of 5 Nokia´s business parts, which is not profitable, is smartphone business, but
            new Lumia generation looks promising.
            Lumia 920 has features like:
            Floating-lens PureView camera with optical image stabilization
            Wireless charging
            Super sensitive and bright screen that can be used with gloves or finger nails
            Premium GPS that can be used also without internet
            Augmented reality City Lens
            Free music with no ads
            NFC
            Rich sound recording in vids
            Fastest screen on a smartphone

            Nokia also bought Scalado, the imaging technology firm in Sweden. Therefore, apart from NAVTEQ and NSN, Nokia is no doubt going big with PureView imaging technology. Some authors compare Nokia to Kodak, I think it is almost the opposite.
            Kodak was the old era and Nokia is starting the new evolution with smart-phone imaging, when consumers won´t have to carry another gadget (camera), for example during traveling.

            6. Considering now the total loss is about 17 million euros, it got much better from the 290 million (2 prior quarters each) loss.
            Nokia´s current 3.6 billion euros net cash should be enough for Nokia´s transitional period before WP8 phones take off.
            Nokia is also getting more cash from convertible bonds and selling its headquarters and other non-core assets.

            Morningstar´s analysis about Nokia:
            Share price assumption at this moment: 2.40 euro.
            Best scenario (if WP8 phones go well): the stock price will go to about 7.70 euro per share.
            Worst scenario: no bankruptcy, because Nokia would be sold in parts before that.
            Estimated price for this: intellectual properties over 1 euro per share; other business parts (smartphones, featurephones, NSN) at least over 1.50 euro per share.
            And NAVTEQ´s price not included (Nokia bought NAVTEQ with 5.7 billion euro). All in all, even in this case, Nokia share price would be at least over 2.50 euro, excluded NAVTEQ.
            In other words, the sum of parts of Nokia is worth much more than its market cap now, which means NOK share is right now heavily undervalued. Caleb Evans

            • spencer1978

              Nokia Is a Wide-Ranging Company and The Stock is With Hidden Value Right Now

              Nokia does not only make phones.

              Nokia´s feature-phone division is doing well, because of Asha phones.

              Nokia has not lost about 1 billion dollars a quarter like the media says, because Nokia has 5 business parts and 4 of them are profitable. Therefore, the exact number is much much smaller.

              Nokia´s loss is only 17 million euros any more (compared to Reuters´s consensus 277 million and Nokia´s last two previous quarters about 290 million each), this was much better.

              Nokia Siemens Networks is doing very strongly (over 300 million euros profit in 3Q. More business to come in the future: 3G in developing countries, 4G in developed and emerging countries)

              NAVTEQ was also profitable, NAVTEQ´s number might be better in 4Q, because of the deals with Amazon, Yahoo, Oracle and many car-companies.

              Nokia´s patent portfolio earns about 500 million euros a year, and the number is still increasing.

              Nokia has cut expenses (which saves about 1 billion euros a year) and in the future Nokia does not have to spend so much in R&D either, because it has teamed up with Microsoft.

              Nokia´s WP 8 devices will hit more markets, for example the Middle-East countries (Lumia phones have not been in these countries yet till now).

              New Lumia generation looks promising.

              For example Lumia 920 has features, such as:

              Floating-lens PureView camera with optical image stabilization

              Wireless charging

              Super sensitive and bright screen that can be used with gloves or finger nails

              Premium GPS that can be used also offline

              Augmented reality City Lens

              Free music with no advertisements

              NFC

              Lumia 920 does not only have a great low-light camera, but also has exceptional audio recording quality due to the 3 HAAC Rich-recording microphones.

              Right now, there is no way to compare Nokia to Apple among most smart phone consumers, but there is hope in the future.

              For example, Nokia just signed the contract with China Mobile (who has about 660 million subscribers, which is about 70% of all subscribers in this world´s biggest nation), and even though iPhone is very popular in the US and Europe, Windows Phone OS already surpasses iOS in the world´s biggest countries beside China, such as Brasil, India and Russia. Even though in these countries more low price point phones are sold, but these are the most important emerging giants in the world where Nokia´s position and brand are still quite strong. And it may be sooner than we think when more people in these countries are able to afford high end smart phones.

              Nokia has not lost about 1 billion dollars a quarter as the media says, because its other parts of business are profitable (while 1Q´s and 2Q´s total loss 290 million each, 3Q´s total loss only 17 million euros any more). Therefore, 3.6 billion euros net cash should be enough for Nokia´s transition period before WP8 phones take off. There is still enough room for a third ecosystem in this world, beside emerging markets Europe has adopted WP phones in a very encouraging way (for example Italy has already over 10% market share for WP phones, considering the Lumia debut has not been a year yet, since last November only. WP OS has already grown a lot faster compared to iOS and Android in their first quarters). Lumias were sold 9,9 million units under a year. The number is small compared to Iphones and Androids sold today, but it is not a bad start. It is more fair to compare the numbers among the 3 in their first year.

              Now when the DOWS and S&P have almost hit all time highs, investors start to think more about cheap and potential value stocks. NOK is now only about 0.8x book value, and usually NYSE stocks are on an average about 2x book value (Apple about 6x book value). Therefore, I think NOK is cheap enough for its values. Another reason is NOK has been already shorted massively about 19% of its total shares.

              Apart from Vertu and so on, Nokia still can sell its patents, since it still has about 30 000 patents in its own hands (in case Nokia needs more cash).

              If the stock price still goes cheaper and cheaper, one day some rival would bid for Nokia, just for its patents ( Motorola was acquired by Google with 12 billion dollars, this is good to remind people who underestimate intellectual properties´ value).

              Microsoft will bid for Nokia with higher premium if some company really bids for Nokia, because Nokia is in so close partnership with Microsoft that this also includes business strategies, business secrets and so on. Therefore, Microsoft won´t let any company acquire Nokia than itself. When it comes to Microsoft, it is still the net cash king in the world, after all its debts excluded, it still has a huge net cash about 50 billion dollars.

              About Nokia´s buy out: Motorola´s patents were worth about 5.5 billion, if some company bids for Nokia´s patents and Microsoft still does not acquire Nokia, Nokia will be sold in parts. Nokia has 5 business parts, therefore patent portfolio is only 1 out of 5. Now, you can count yourself how much are Nokia Siemens Networks, NAVTEQ, and feature-phone division worth.

              I know US is very important market, because Wall Street and US consumer trend give directions to market momentum around the world, still you can not neglect the power of BRIC and MIST these days.

              You can calculate yourself how many people living in these 8 BRIC- and MIST-countries. In these countries, in Brazil, Russia, India, China, Mexico, Indonesia and Turkey, Nokia´s position and brand are still quite strong (except South-Korea, but you know it is Samsung´s home-country and the smallest country among those important 8 anyway).

              Morningstar´s analysis about Nokia:

              Share price assumption at this moment: 2.40 euro

              Best scenario (if WP8 phones go well): the stock price will go to about 7.70 euro per share)

              Worst scenario: no bankruptcy, because Nokia would be sold in parts before that.

              Estimated price for this: intellectual properties over 1 euro per share; other business parts (smartphones, featurephones, NSN) at least over 1.50 euro per share.

              And NAVTEQ´s price not included (Nokia bought NAVTEQ with 5.7 billion euro). All in all, even in this case, Nokia share price would be at least over 2.50 euro, excluded NAVTEQ.

              Nokia also announced it is hiring more employees to work in Chicago (where NAVTEQ is). Who says Nokia is going bankrupt? Think twice before saying that!

              Nokia also bought Scaladon, the imaging technology firm in Sweden. Therefore, apart from NAVTEQ and NSN, Nokia is no doubt going big with PureView imaging technology. Some authors compare Nokia to Eastman-Kodak, I think it is almost the opposite.

              Eastman-Kodak was the old era and Nokia is starting the new evolution with smart-phone imaging, when consumers won´t have to carry another gadget (camera) during traveling.

              One of the reasons why Nokia is one of the most defensive stocks right now during bear markets is that Nokia has been already shorted massively about 19% of its total shares (while Apple only about 0.5%, Samsung over 2%, and other telecom companies about 4% in general).

              By the way, NAVTEQ just reported it is making navigators into 4 out of 5 cars (80%).

              And I hope Nokia will license City Lens to tablet makers like Amazon, Asus, Acer etc (at the same time it can turn Google maps users into using Nokia´s advanced mapping platform) soon.

              When also Nokia´s Devices & Services division is profitable as well, will you ever have a chance to buy NOK stock this cheap again? The answer might be: NEVER.

              Another aspect is, when now NOK has been already shorted massively about 19% of its total shares, bears could not go any further, because the share number that is available for borrowing/renting has already hit record high.

              If bears still dare to sell, there are plenty of happy buyers out there, for example Switzerland´s central bank has announced it had bought more NOK shares and has become the 5th biggest shareholder in Nokia.

              Considering now the total loss is about 17 million euros, it got much better from the 290 million (2 prior quarters each) loss.

              3.6 billion euros net cash should be enough for Nokia´s transitional period before WP8 phones take off.

              Nokia is also getting more cash from convertible bonds and selling its HQ and other non-core assets.

              Nokia is a big chance and good bargain at about 3 dollars, because Nokia Siemens Networks has grown so strongly and profitable that Nokia and Siemens have decided to make it independent in these couple of years. That means Nokia shareholders will have two companies´ shares in their hands.This is a bonus.

              The conclusion is Nokia is for long-term and medium-term investing not for short term. Just think about this, even when Apple and Google reach 1000 dollars, that is not even doubling, but in the long term Nokia has the opportunity to triple or even more. Caleb Evans

  • keist

    Isn’t it exactly the same words they said about the Lumia 900?

    • Anastasios-Antonios Toulkeridis

      no way. There hasn’t been such interest for a Nokia product since the glory days of distant past

      • Banderpop

        ‘Sold out’ and ‘better than expected’ were last heard in relation to the 808 PureView. Nobody cared…

        …unless you actually wanted an 808, in which case the whole ‘sold out’ thing was very genuine and very annoying. Or if you were a Symbian/QT app developer, since the phone could probably have sold millions if Nokia had given it a tenth of the marketing budget that they’ve spent on the 920.

      • Ruben

        True. Seems that glory is coming back. Nokia’s branding is regaining it’s trone step by step. A giant is always a giant!

        • Pathetic

          “better than espected ” mmmmm this can be very bad, I dont know what the expectation of nokia , but sell 3 or 4 , 920 per store is not a very high expectation . Nokia expected to sell less? holy mother , poor nokia they do not believe in lumia, as I dont

          • Mark

            Sure, absolutely. Because Nokia absolutely couldn’t ship more units to them… oh wait, unless they’d sold all the available units.

            Sorry to rain on your hate parade again, sparky.

            • Noki

              http://www.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/MultiChannelSearch?storeId=48352&langId=-3&searchProfile=onlineshop&query=lumia%20920 for any one desperate to buy a L920 in Germany since they are “Completely Sold Out” if you need more links I can provide

              • Pritchard
                • Noki

                  Frist it’s not mine to give, Its Nokia device that was loaned to me. Secondly I love it to bit’s, and am deeply attached to it, in case you did not notice my attachment for this entire story by now :). You can grab it from me from my cold dead stone hands ;)

                  • Pritchard

                    Annoying, I never got an email about this…

                    @Noki

                    It actually is yours to give, in the context of being done formally via the Maemo council/BoD, otherwise I wouldn’t have suggested it!
                    If you love it so much, then be productive with it, if you’re so passionately in defence of the whole platform, then I dont see why you’ve no more interest in doing stuff with it!

                    As you said here:
                    “I have 1 and i don’t use it much for testing apps this days, its just depressing. The entire story is deperessing having invested so much time into it :( maybe with jolla I will get to do some experiments and use much of the skills acquired, but chances are that I will do that on the jolla device so the n950 will soon become a glorified symbol of things that could have been, but were not.”

                    So let the community buy it off you & give it to someone who’ll continue to work actively, there’s heaps lined-up who cant get a N950, or even a N9 any more.

                    • Pritchard

                      I can dig-up all the info so you don’t have to bother, you seem like you really care about the community with your constant argumentations here.

                      The most caring thing you could possibly do, is hand-over/sell your dev device to someone that’ll continue to heavily use it.

                      Assuming you can’t/won’t any more ofc…
                      I hope no offence is caused, and that you appreciate what I’m saying?

                      All the best!

      • http://thegadgetfreak.net Ajit

        Even the N9s were getting sold out, Elop himself admitted it… But the Trojan still killed it…

    • agusdeviurrio

      las ventas del lumia 900 bajaron drásticamente cuando se anunció que no seria actualizado a wp8, lógico de esperar que no se siguiera vendiendo bien…

      ahora con el lumia 920, NOKIA, VOLVISTE??? :D :D :D

      • The Game

        muy de acuerdo, ademas hay que considerar que L920 se está agotando a nivel de europa y EEUU, en cambio el L900 solo fue en EEUU… Desearía que nokia lo lanzara en LATAM par que aumente la demanda

    • http://mynokiablog.com Jay Montano

      I’ve been more hesitant to post about any stock depletion post myself due to that same reason but the 920 is very different to the 900 in that it’s actually a very interesting and enticing device. From the get go, I’ve said the 900 was a device of last year’s specs. The 920 is better looking, packing more power, more innovation and is a pleasure to use. Once in user’s hands it’s a delightful smartphone that all my friends want to get.

      It’s a fantastic phone being let down by possibly the most abysmal marketing campaigns (what is it btw?) I have ever seen (or not seen).

      • swain

        Lets hope they can sale at least 10 Millions of Lumias this quarter. A 10M+ sales will provide the necessary boost not only to sales figure but also to Nokia as a brand. The brand value has depleted a lot and I doubt if it can take another hit.
        This figure can be achieved by making the device available in multiple markets through out the globe and available ASAP(they are already late). As I have already mentioned before, if they launch 820/920 next year, no wonder it will be treated as an outdated, overpriced piece of junk.
        Until last quarter Symbian was a major part of their smartphone sales. But I doubt if Symbian can contribute much this time. I won’t be surprised if Symbian sales is under 1 Million units this quarter.

        • Bloob

          They won’t sell over 10 million Lumias this quarter no matter what they do. Hope for 5-6 million instead, at least that’s doable.

          • Noki

            they can sell alot of 510′s and 610′s and 710′s that’s were sales might come from also firesale L800 and L900 its xmas time.

            Dough i doubt users want any of them, and that’s the problem users don’t want WP. They already have windows on their pc’s and don’t particularly love it. Plus WP looks alot like that windows 8 they hate.

            • Mark

              Wait… people don’t want WP and yet we’re in a topic about 920′s being out of stock?

              Well Ok then.

              • Noki

                the l920 is not out of stock in Germany as many here pointed and gave links to, this is just another of those stories that surface every time a new Lumia surfaces. No one believes them any more.

                • Viipottaja

                  If you had bothered to read the original source story you would know it simply says it was sold out in many stores. :)

                  Ali’s unfortunately bad headline and reporting is a different matter.

                  • Noki

                    Yeah but that’s not as exiting you know sold out in a few stores…

        • Bob

          They need to ADVERTISE the device!

          It is only fans, tech site followers etc selling it out in first week. This will drop off heavily once sales rely on the mainstream (who don’t even know it exists!)

          • swain

            Yeah…Advertise and Educate people is a way to achieve some sales. But, as I remember no other Nokia phone has ever received the amount of advertising efforts as the Lumia 800/710 enjoyed. Still they failed to attract masses.
            The point is technology is evolving in a faster pace than ever and Nokia is too slow to run with the time.
            I doubt if anyone bought a piece of Lumia 900 in India. But there would have been some sales if Nokia had released it 8 months back. It was already outdated when released here(and ridiculously overpriced).
            My fear being the same thing may happen with 820/920.

            • krishna6233

              yep ..the price f L900 is still close to S3..
              n a 510 with 2GB usable memory is at 10k :/

        • Rinslowe

          It’s obvious you’re absolutely pining for a Lumia 920. Late or no to India and other important markets, if more people out there like yourself, well then they just may reach those figures…

    • kues
      • Tom

        Luckily they have to disclose numbers in quarterly reports. All the drumbeats will stop at that point and fanboys will try to argue why you should wait till WP9, may be WP10 or whatever. They did teh same with L900, nothing new.

        • Noki

          No nokia is in its last stretch is do or die now, there will be no WP8.5 this time for Nokia, unless Q4 sales are incredibly good aka more than 10M I’m sure we wont have proper Q1 results for Lumia and existence of nokia past Q1 depends only on Asha line Q4 results…

          To be honest I was expecting Q4 to be the last WP Nokia only OS disaster, and it not so only because of staler sales of the Asha line.

          • Just Visiting

            While 10 million Lumia units sold in Q4 2012 would be great, given that these devices only hit the shelves roughly 10 days ago, not to mention the limited stock, I just don’t see it happening – not because of lack of demand, but because the entire month of October was missed due to WP8 not being available.

            In essence, Nokia only has about 2 months out 3 for Q4 to sell these devices; Q4 will be decent, if they are able to ramp up production, but given that a whole month was missed, 10 million units sold would be a miracle.

            And there will be Nokia WP8.5 and beyond :)

            • Noki

              “While 10 million Lumia units sold in Q4 2012 would be great, given that these devices only hit the shelves roughly 10 days ago” AFIK nokia did not stooped selling the L900 L800 L710 L610 L510. and handing to those the L920 L810 and L820 so no its not only 10 days ago….the cheep Lumias were the ones selling the most any way look at the Lumia ASP.

              • Noki

                You guys are aware that expecting 8 Milion sales is less than 1 Million per Lumia device…

            • migo

              Good point. 6 million for Q4 would be a good target. If they can’t hit that, it’s a problem.

              • Noki

                so out of those supposed 6 million how many would be L900 L800 L710 L610 L510???? yes 5 devices will be able to sell how many terminals globally?

        • Rinslowe

          Lend me your crystal ball Tom. I want to know where I can go to pick up a Lumia 920 before they’re all sold out!

          Don’t have the patience to wait for WP9, 10 or whatever…

          • Noki

            amazon, ebay or apparently any store around the corner.

    • Bloob

      I guess the big news is that it is out-of-stock in Germany where previous Lumias did not do all that well. Also, I’d expect the situation now to be a bit different compared to the 900 launch in terms of competition and market size. That said, I doubt the 920 will sell all that much more than the 900 ( but I do expect the 920 to sell more during its lifetime ).

    • Harangue

      Although I am doubtful this is all due to demand, the 900 story was different. It was only being sold out in the US. The rest of the world not so much. The 920 is being sold out around the globe, or where it is available at least.

      However, I still think a lot of the shortage has to do with component supply to Nokia. The problem lies with the heart of the 920, the Qualcom SoC. HTC is having trouble too keep a healthy stock available as well and even Samsung has postponed the Ativ S. And all of those phones use the S4.

      So, is this really a shortage due to demand? No, I honestly don’t think so. But I do think that demand is stronger than it was with the 900, purely because the 920 has just so much too offer than the 900 had.

      • Noki

        Its so smart of Microsoft to make nokia former enemy Qualcom the sole provider for WP.

        • Harangue

          I’d expected a better answer from you. The sole reason that Qualcomm has issues I don’t know, all I do know is that the 28nm proces they are making their S4′s on isn’t yielding as much as the previous larger proces. It seems it is also an issue that is created by TSMC because they seemingly can’t create the yield needed per wafer.

          Qualcomm themselves say that demand is higher than expected and thus have also taken action by having Samsung making some of their S4′s.

          And in all fairness, the Krait design is pretty much the best design available now when comparing core for core. The only thing comparable right now is the Swift design from Apple or an A15 design.

          • Noki

            yes thats all good, but how does that help nokia sell devices on the time frame that matters??? the L920 will be yesterdays news on Q1 having been announced for so much time now..

            I could not care less about Qualcomm issues all I know is that Nokia corned them self in to a spot were they have extremely limited control over its future, be it on the OS front, bee it in the hardware front, just like a PC OEM. only that they cant run to AMD to save them for options, It’s all Microsoft/Qualcomm that control what is the fate of nokia.. At least in Lumia land.

            • Harangue

              Even if Nokia were to have their own software, how would that help with a shortage in HW? It is not like Nokia would be able to adjust their product line with a Qualcomm SoC to a TI solution overnight. Not even if they had a proper MeeGo/Linux based device.

              That is what I was refering to, a HW shortage. Be it for a WP device, an Android device or whatever other SW based device. It is not like you can just switch over to another set of HW.

              The only thing that could help is switch to a source that can provide it for certain. And for all I know Nokia could have done that with WP8. Shouldn’t that allow for HW differentation? Use any old SoC you want? Nokia didn’t do that, and basically rightly so, the S4 solution is one of the better out there right now. Everything integrated and with a good amount of power to boot.

              But I guess you can’t see things seperately from the ‘Nokia signed their death warrant’ perspective. Which I in all honesty do agree with in part, after all WP is a all or nothing move which so far has been more nothing than all.

            • migo

              The Qualcomm issues are affecting everyone. If you want a top-performing phone, you want one with a Snapdragon.

              Everything else is either only good for a WiFi only tablet if it’s a top-performing chip, due to the worse battery life when combined with a separate baseband chip, or is only at best a mid-range performer.

  • Ravi Kiran

    Lumia 900 not just topped Amazon at&t sales but all cell phones with service category. Yet it translated to only 600k sales in the US for whole q2. This time though the launch is much wider, so global sales may yet be good. Lets hope the sales top the charts and stay there for some time.

  • Anastasios-Antonios Toulkeridis

    so. Where are all those trolls that once accused Elop? :D
    Turns out they had bigger mouths than brains

    • Noki

      Here, will you be around for Q4 numbers???
      Its not we didn’t hear exactly the same sort of thing for L800 and then L900. and please do not force us to spew out the countless links for it. I’m sure most of the wp apologist no longer care to comment much on this news has they have been burned enough by now.

      • Viipottaja

        Hi Noki, off topic but curious: which country are you in?

        • Noki

          Europe somewhere maybe :) I told you. I use the euro and £ sometimes. But sometimes I’m in the U.S. and i get to use the $. Don’t get the chance to be in South America as often as I would like 2 specially in winter time.

          I told you I work as a consultant for software related things, mostly in the embedded area. So wen people ask me were do I live I genuinely have a hard time answering.

          Plus many of the things I know I’m not supposed to tell or comment even if i do try realy hard to not Violate any of the NDA’s I signed over my life but its hard to not say thing that even if a fruit of cognitive reasoning, could not be interpreted as violation of the said NDA’s. So sorry I must be anonymous.

          • Viipottaja

            Ok, no problemo. :) If I would venture a guess I would say Finland (or from Finland). :)

            If you land in the Washington DC area, let me know and we can grab a beer.

            As for Latin-America, I get to visit there for family every year. Used to also for work, more broadly, but unfortunately not anymore.

            • Noki

              Washington DC, never been to :( they always send me to “silly valley” area, that apart from great SF is booooorring.
              been once in NY state, and another in Chicago with zero visiting time :( sometimes I hate my joob :) I do get to now airports pretty well “fun” hehhehe:).

              If I get to go in DC will give you a buzz here and we can meet for a couple of beers, would really like to visit some of the burned by Brits houses and so on ;)

            • Heikki Niininen

              By the way, when you have moved to the States? Or have you been living there for your whole life? (I assume that you have Finnish roots because of your pen-name) :)

              • Viipottaja

                In 2000.

      • viktor von d.

        why do you hate for q4 results? it’s past the half of 1q and phones have just been launched with limited availability. i say qait for q1 2013. and just because we suport nokia strategy and nokia in general it doesn’t mean we are wp apologists. but i guess this is a new trick you trolls learnes so you are going to repeat it endlessly: wp aplogists, damn you are so smart

      • ms.nokia

        one thing i’ve said many times here on MNB is that if nokia did not have the new lumia out by early october and to a wide global market in volume, then Q4 wont be so good, but thats not to say that it wont be bad either.

        the L900 had old specs and nothing innovative, but the L920/820 have a whole range of new innovations that are above what others have to offer.

        the beat test is over, the hardware and software are 100% this time round.

        • Noki

          “the beta test is over, the hardware and software are 100% this time round”
          Really you should not remind people of that commercial, you know the joke was on all the poor people that bought it for real…

          • ms.nokia

            i remember the first iphone was also a beta test,
            maybe every first phone by any manufacture will always be a beta test,
            i wonder what jolla’s beta text phone will be ;)

        • swain

          “the beat test is over, the hardware and software are 100% this time round.”

          It’s a quite interesting line actually.:)

          If you referring to bugs, then you should know that there was no flaw in WP7.5 or Nokia hardware. Everything was pretty fluid and all the functionality were working fine(though there were not many in WP7.5).

          If you are referring to the use of latest hardware and feature rich software, I agree, the software is finally able to catch up with Symbian in some aspects. May be the next iteration will be on par with Android. Talking about the hardware, it would have been considered as latest if announced in february and released in march/april. It’s almost end of 2012 and the definition of flagship-phone-hardware has changed already.
          It’s unfortunate that they are still making delays in releasing the device in many markets. I am waiting for the Grey 920 but it all depends on quick availability and price(of course as someone mentioned earlier: god’s will).:)

          • ms.nokia

            one good thing is that apple also has trouble getting their new phone to market in volume, that may help make people wait and switch to lumia, but i’m sure everyone can agree that this time round the lumia hardware and software are a better match to any other smartphone on the market,
            i guess it was too much to expect that the first lumia models would be the best on market.
            the future for nokia is looking very good, i always believed to would survive and now more analysts are starting to see its potential.
            this is great news for nokia fans because it will mean more future innovations to come.

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    • Tom

      May be you should learn to read quarterly statements. When Elop became CEO, Nokia used to make(profit) lot of money, sell boatloads of phones(30+% market share in smart phones). Now Nokia is losing lot of money and does not have 3% market share. May be you should learn little bit of logic.

      • Anastasios-Antonios Toulkeridis

        so was RIM, and Windows Mobile once. What are you implying? That whatever works in the present will continue to work in the future? Do you have ANY doubt that Symbian marketshare would continue to decline without Elop at the helm. I don’t. Elop had the intuition to see where it was heading. If you are short sighted i’m sorry for you.
        PS. You sound like a Nokia hater. Shouldn’t you be on theverge or something? Leave Nokia fans alone troll

        • Noki

          For real how can any one with anything remotely similar to judgement still defend Elop, wow he was “smart enough to see that symbian was dying”,,, WOW GENIUS, everybody knew that Nokia knew it long before Elop camed in to town…So the question is how do we trasfer all or most of this user base we have to our next great thing, that is The CEO’s job.
          At that Elops incompetence is unparalleled. managed to make Nokia the 10# smartphone maker in less that 2 years wen he got in Nokia was twice as buiguer than apple and Samsung combined.

          Elop was brought to fix it not to trash it.

          • Anastasios-Antonios Toulkeridis

            how is it Elop’s fault * E X A C T L Y *? can you and the other trolls * E V E R * explain it?

            (Unless you think Symbian/Meego were better than Windows Phone in which case you are totally clueless)

  • Battlebird

    I don’t know what they mean by “sold out” but in my city here in Germany I know of a minimum of 3 stores that have the 920 in stock right now.

    • Noki

      You troll you coming here with fact based reality you. :)

    • Patata

      Same here, many stores around my area (here in Berlin) still have them. Other stores like Saturn never had more than 2-3 devices in stock and still didn’t sell them

      • Pathetic

        maybe germany is a ranch or city in the United States or some deserted village or a block or neighborhood, where they sold the only two 920 in existence , who knows, in this day you can expect anything from nokia and my nokia blog . Jajaja How pathetic

    • Harangue

      A lot of the Saturn/Media Markt stores have been sold out over the past weeks though. All the stock they got in for a week got sold sometimes even before they actually got them in.

      Still though, I’m taking the whole story with a good side order of salt.

  • Ram Wat

    Incredible phone!!! Excellent job by NOKIA. LUMIA 920 BEST PHONE out there!!! Thanks Nokia!! Was worth the waiting!
    LUMIA 920 ROCKS :)

  • viktor von d.

    i wonder how many devices will they sell this quarter? 2 million?4 million, 6 million?

    my gut is that with recent ****s from microsoft(finishing wp late) and limited availability from nokia and short supply they will be licky if they sell 2 million,maybe 3 million but i’m not so optimistic anymore

  • viktor von d.

    i wonder how many devices will they sell this quarter? 2 million?4 million, 6 million?

    my gut is that with recent screwups from microsoft(finishing wp late) and limited availability from nokia and short supply they will be liucky if they sell 2 million,maybe 3 million but i’m not so optimistic anymore
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    • dss

      My guess is ~3 million in total for the Lumia brand… globally.

      • Noki

        me betting on 5-6 Million there are many fire sale devices the lumina 510 is still a Lumia, plus its the holiday season c’mon and truth be told the WP8 phone are good pieces of hardware, with the worst selling OS but still very good hardware..

        • Viipottaja

          That would be a pretty good result, given the apparent supply shortage on at least the 920 (how big relative to demand is of course unknown) and the “late-in-the-quarter” roll out. Let’s hope its about that. And hopefully the interest remains in Q1 which is a slower quarter in Europe and NAM at least. China Mobile might compensate at that point though, given Chinese new year season.

          • Noki

            For Q1 I thinks sales will tank, and probably even before the end of the quarter Elop is out, I have no idea how it will all be resolved after that as Nokia brand goes… Think it all depends on Ashas sales numbers and profitability. Q4 numbers will be vital for that Ashas sales need to go up by 20% 30% (profits) for nokia to have a future past Q1.

            • ZiPA

              With around 9 billion in the bank, I’m quite sure that they will survive past Q1/13…

              • Noki

                Don’t believe everything you read on those reports, word on the street is that Nokia is in real real problems..
                But hey we will soon find out wont we? less than 4 months I recon..

                • who knows

                  Just…..wow. You say that one shouldn’t believe the official reports but instead someone who anonymously comments on a blog quoting ‘the street’. Yeah, I think I’m sticking with the official reports.

                  Good luck with the hating.

                  • Noki

                    official report’s also predicted Nokia to have 25% market share with windowsphone by now,
                    anonymous me said it would not be so…
                    I know we have a few guys here that still work in nokia, what is the word of mouth around there?

                    • who knows

                      So? You’re comparing a prediction with a factual statement. It is one thing being wrong with an estimate, another if they are ‘cooking-the-books’ (what you are implying and has zero evidence of except hope).

                      If Nokia are cooking the books (altering the reports in order to make them look good) they are doing a heck of a bad job.

                    • Viipottaja

                      Hi, which official report was that? Would be fun to read it. :)

          • nn

            Although I think that 6M Lumias is the maximum they wont achieve, it would be pathetic number that solves nothing, after all they sold 6M smartphones last quarter and look where it got them.

            It’s funny how WP fans are again begin to cite supply problems or global unavailability as if it was event caused by Gods that no human could anticipate or mitigate, thus exculpating Elop and WP from the Q4 fiasco that is clearly forming at the horizon.

            Maybe Nokia have supply problems and it’s because the company is complete chaos, maybe it’s because MS was late with WP. But whatever is the reason that the company that once was able to deliver tens of millions of phones should have now problem to make even hundredths of thousands, it’s certainly not alibi, it’s rather indictment of Elop and his strategy.

            • Tom

              That’s what WP fanboys are good for. They can move goalposts and always go from this quarter to next quarter, may be next year, next version of WP. It’s a illusion and they have been burnt many times already.

              • Viipottaja

                To be fair though, _some_ of those who are not in favor of Nokia’s current strategy also seem to have moved their “Goalpost of Doom” fairly often. :)

                I personally remember quite clearly that I was saying that the earliest we could even start to tell whether the strategy works was Q2 2012. That quarter was ok for WP. Q3 not so much for WP, to say the least, but fairly promising for other aspects of the strategy. Hopefully we see more “balanced” progress on the strategy in Q4. WP bit of it has loooong ways to go still, obviously.

                • nn

                  Well, 2011Q4 set the stage for disaster and 2012Q1 confirmed it wasn’t aberration, but solid continuation of WP trends. So waiting for Q2 or any further was nothing more than unnecessary moving of goalposts, I can agree with that.

                  I moved my goalposts too, originally I thought Nokia will get something around 15 % of marketshare, which would still be quite a debacle, and eventually die out in the long term as MS pawn. But I’m not afraid to admit it, Elop really is formidable opponent with unorthodox strategies, constatnly delivering result that hardly anybody thought could be possible. It’s not a shame to lose against him.

                  • Viipottaja

                    Lol. Nice twisting of my words yet again.

                • incognito

                  I never said when the doom will occur, but it seems almost inevitable now more than ever. Then again, I was quite surprised by Q3 results – they didn’t get hit nearly as hard as I thought they’d be, thanks to the Asha line of course, but still if I had to make a prediction my ‘doom’ quarter would be the past Q3, and I’d be dead wrong.

                  Which just goes to prove that there’s more to Nokia than meets the eye. Not all things are bad for them, it’s just that most, or at least the important ones – are.

                  I still stand on the opinion that they’ve made a grave mistake in Feb’11, and that should they don’t start mitigating it, and doing it fast, they will perish.

                  • ss

                    “I still stand on the opinion that they’ve made a grave mistake in Feb’11, and that should they don’t start mitigating it, and doing it fast, they will perish.”

                    Completely Agree.

            • Harangue

              I’ll be honest, I like WP. Yet I do say that Nokia is fumbling with the 920 launch, be it due to underestimation, lack of negotiating power, MS’fault or anything else. Nokia could have prevented this or even have seen this coming.

              Unless they are running into major trouble with a part of the production process, there should be no excuses for Nokia. Even a lack of S4 SoC’s could have been seen ahead of time, Qualcomm talked about below average yields of those SoC’s for a while now.

              WP fans moving goalposts and seeing things in the most rosy way possible for WP? Two can play that game, you yourself for example. Just look at Nokia news and let loose the darkest most problematic view on it and that is the truth that all should believe.
              The real truth is always somewhere in the middle, between the nn’s of the world and the WP fanboys so to speak.

              • Noki

                Sure the problems is that back say 16 months ago if any of us would have predicted things were going to be this bad, (and some did) he would be called irrational troll anti Microsoft whatever.

                So far “The real truth” is not in the “middle” but all the time finding way to be “darkest most problematic view on it” we had.

                Sorry but this is the truth, nokia smartphone division is reduced to 1/10 of what it was only 18 months ago. From 20 smething% market share to 2%somthing

              • migo

                Even if you can predict low yields of the necessary SoC, how are you supposed to do anything about it? Not ship a flagship phone at all?

                • incognito

                  Maybe by securing a large order before the competition? AFAIK, the SoCs are now going on first-come-first-serve basis. It is true that Qualcomm cannot keep up with demand, but at least those who ordered early and ordered big are getting them faster…

                  Or having an alternative strategy by not tying yourself to just one component manufacturer.

                  Or… Lots of wiggle room for a competent risk management task force.

        • JGrove303

          Worst selling isn’t quite the right term. New and not out long is more like it. It’s a Stellar OS, IMHO, and I am showing everyone I know the Lumia 920. Unofficial SoCal Nokia Ambassador here.

          As WP8 devices land in more hands, the devs will come.

          • Noki

            A Stellar OS, honestly I don’t think so, its a very closed garden and if you do a pp for it chances are that you wont get to reuse any of the code else ware, its better now that in wp7 but still…
            Games wise it going completely the other way of the mobiles gaming industry not supporting the standard openGL.
            UI/UX wise ta also very different and requires a complete redo of your app UX paradigms, extra cost in development.

            I’m sure Microsoft will spend great deals of money convincing the great apps to come over, but Joe developer with a few apps on most mobile OS’s wont.

            But if it manages to get users (multi millions) then companies will want their free content apps there and this will make people like me have to create them, you know because some one is paying for it ;)…

            So it might work, if they manage to do what they have failed so far, witch is to make it a sales success.

  • 8million

    sold out in germany… its just the same as everywhere, nokia haven’t had much stock so it basicly sold out that few numbers.

    thats nothing special :P

  • jammy

    Where are the numbers Nokia……???? If it’s selling so well, then why don’t they come out with numbers……????topping the charts in that and that store, sold out in this and this country…..!!!! If sale is so good then why don’t come out with numbers, which will boost the confidence of shareholders and users…….. Samsung stated the preorder of galaxy s3 was 10million in first month of availability, apple announced that they had got 5million preorders in three days for iPhone 5, these things increases their demand. So Nokia come out with numbers and if it’s that good then surely it will boost the sales of Lumia 920 and lumia 820.

    • Pathetic

      because are bu*lshit. Nokia lying , you think that if this were true , would not go to rub it in the face of Apple and Google ? silent instead

      • Bob

        l can’t buy the 920 in my country. Have to now wait another 2 weeks.

    • ZiPA

      Nokia has never, ever released any sales numbers. In fact, before the Lumia range it never even separated the sales figures in their earnings reports. I do not expect this to change in the nearest, oh, eternity.

      • Pathetic

        yes , because they are unfavorable , if they were favorable ‘m more than certain that Nokia would make public

        • Bloob

          They did not make figures public when they were favourable either ( in the symbian days ).

        • KeiZka

          They didn’t release n95 numbers ever either, and that thing sold quite a bit. Never released the sales numbers for 5800/52×0 family either.

  • http://www.jollatides.com Timmo

    Really sorry to interrupt guys, but we’ve got a bit of a crisis in Jolla world. Anyone reading and loving Jolla, please visit: http://www.tosielamandiili.fi/peukutus.shtml and click ‘Tykkää’ (Facebook ‘Like’) by the Jolla logo. Get your family, friends anyone who you can of as Jolla have just fallen to 2nd place and now stand not to win the Finnish MTV award for best new startup at the SLUSH event which would be a huge shame (30,000 in free marketing). Thanks so much guys and really sorry for off topic post!

    • Noki

      Guys you need a better logo. and something that looks like a Public Image..

      • http://www.jollatides.com Timmo

        Thanks for the feedback. :-) Out of interest do you mean Jolla’s own logo or our logo on the http://www.jollatides.com website ?

        • Noki

          Jolla’s own logo, pass the word ;), website and public image that makes Jolla look more than a few HackFins in a rented space ;)

          BTW huge fan here, just that this is how the world works nowadays. Goodluck…. And I will be among the first to get a new device as soon as it comes, The RIM BB10 phones as polished as they might be are not that interesting to me.

          • http://www.jollatides.com Timmo

            Thanks Noki and see you around! ;-)

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    • StefanP

      Interesting to read the customer reviews. 67 reviews, 58 reviewers gave the max of 5 stars, 3 times 4 stars and only 6 reviewers gave less than 4 stars. Many wrote that they were iPhone users before.
      Red is sold out (or was not available yet?), just a few available in black, white and yellow.
      As just a very small share of buyers would write reviews, I think amazon.de sold quite well.
      There are less reviewers for the iPhone 5 and the rating is lower.

      • Noki

        “There are less reviewers for the iPhone 5…” And that’s were you need to stop and think that somethings is probably wrong, and I hate the Iphone as much as I hate this marketing gimmicks.

        You know with all things being equal you should expect similar results so for a device selling 20-100? times more one would expect 20-100 more reviews.

  • http://www.jollatides.com Timmo

    Back on topic, this is great news for Nokia even if we don’t know exact stock level details – I mean there must have been an MOQ with the networks/retailers I would have thought.

  • BellGo

    This news in itself means very little, because they said the exact same thing about the previous Lumias and we all know how badly they have been selling.

    Numbers are everything.

  • erzhik

    And those stock prices will plummet once analysts realize that people want the Lumia 920 but can’t find it anywhere.

    • Noki

      or worse that the “cant find it any ware” premise is a lie as several people here have pointed out. At least in Germany were the original article refers 2.

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  • ameng

    Besides dare not publish the numbers.

  • Nathan

    Kind of a predictable story that means little to nothing, no?

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