Video: Hands On Demo of Sailfish OS on N950

| December 29, 2012 | 184 Replies

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The luck guys/gals at engadget have gotten a chance to play with Sailfish OS/Jolla mobile on the N950. Take a look at the UI all over again with the hidden menus, gestures and built in apps.

(DAMN!! It looks so smooth! Although the font/theme does look very Androidish :/ )

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I love the swiping backwards to go back! That’s one of the features that I though would’ve been a natural implementation of Swipe on the N9, but unfortunately not.

Read more and some some more images over at Engadget:Β

BTW- Am I the only who felt some excess stress on the “true multi-tasking” after mentioning Windows phone πŸ˜›


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  • I don’t know if my brain is just tired from revision, but the UI looks a little complicated. Perhaps with some actual use, it’ll be second nature. Having said that, it’s quite unlike the N9 where even from the first ever video, it seemed impossibly simple, yet it was awesome. Just swiping here, there and everywhere. Sometimes I wish Nokia would work this into WP.

    • Peter L

      Given the importance of Pivot control (the panorama structure) in WP applications backstack can’t really operate with swiping.

      But it should be pretty clear that eventually WP and Windows RT UI’s will converge further together and when that happens there will definitely be ‘swipe from the edge to switch applications’ -gesture introduced.

    • shallow ocean shoal

      Jay, don’t worry, it’s not just you!

    • pathetic

      Microsoft took 2 years alone in bluethoot file transfer , the way I see it , it will take five years or more to implement the swype , and if Nokia allows such stupidity , I’ll burn the damn company, Nokia has to flee windows phone , windows phone is the cancer of nokia. if you like the swype why not bought a n9 ? nokia should have continued with meego

      • shallow ocean shoal

        Dude welcome to 2010, you are stuck on old technology. Goto 2013.

        • pathetic

          old technology ? Are you serious? the ” swype ” is the most innovative in many years, the n9 too, with your comment , I understand that Windows Phone is a new technology , and innovative , are you stupid ? windows phones is outdate

          • shallow ocean shoal

            Yes, both “swipe” and “swype,” and I think you actually meant the screen switching variety, not the keyboard, were innovative technologies.

            WERE innovative. WERE innovative. Say it. WERE.

            Time for the next thing, cave man.

            Do you know what happens to a company that sits and rests on their OLD innovation for too long? They get run over.

            You are the problem. You are pathetic.

            • pathetic

              the UI as you know it today, has years in the market , ( wp , android , iOS etc ) swipe , is the most innovative in many years , windows phone just is hatching , after so many years just have transfer bluethoot files , the large windows phone technology ? , as well as other things that Windows Phone does not have , and things that are years in the market , meego , is more complete than windows phone , even if it hurts , do not cry please

              • shallow ocean shoal

                Who’s talking about windows phone? Oh that’s right, you are.

      • migo

        FFS, Swype is a keyboard…

    • Noki

      swipe UI paradigm was the great loss of all of this, Nokia had a fantastic winner in it, we can see traces of it in S40 but its not the same thing…

      Having said that, the UI is not terrible in sailfish, they need some transition effects that correlates to what the gestures are doing so the user learns by using and playing…. think the pull menu is not that great and probaly needs to be rethought. but the rest is ok, and the theming aspect is actuality very smart making the device “yours” very quickly.

      IMO ts not in any way worse than WP, apart from the ugly android like icons and the pull down menu…I will get one as a developer device as soon as it goes live.

      • Bob

        Yeah, I agree with the comment on the android-like icons. I think the inconsistencies in the icon designs adds to the initial perception that it is a complicated OS to learn.

        I think that was one of the under-rated benefits of Nokia’s ‘squircle’ icons. They were consistent, modern and simple to recognise. I think Jolla should really look into this, and also add some icons to the pull-down menu to improve ‘glancibility’ whilst navigating.

        Overall though, I saw a few things in the video which are making me like Jolla/Sailfish more. I hope they keep improving.

        • Noki

          yeah I will sure get one wen they become available, hope they are not confined to 852×480 space.

          Overall there are more than a few good ideas on the UI, how they refine then till the end its an open question.

          the squircle was nothing less than a stroke of genius, we can still use them on s40 devices, its shamefull is confined to that space

          • Viipottaja

            May I ask why you think the squircle was so genius? You mean its use ac across two product ranges?

            • migo

              Yeah, that’s a rather peculiar claim to make.

            • Noki

              Icons on touch interface should look like butons… apple kinda cornered the use of squares with round corners.

              So this presented a complicated issue to solve, design wise circles are in may cases weird and translate poorly into the hardware design were you want some sort of design language continuity.

              The squircle is a genial solution a kinda Columbus egg, that solves alot of issues at the same time, and presents a absolutely natural shape that humans receive as safe to touch.

              Take Rim BB10 solution to this problem that I belive is far worse… They frame the icon and title in a rectangle, its does bring some continuity, but its in no way as elegant as the squircle solution and as no reflection on the hardware.

              In meego components the basic shape could be seen on all UI elements expanding that language everywhere, in a cohesive way.

              It might look like nothing, but far from it, it was a stroke of genius.

              • migo

                FireFox OS’ plain circle is better, as that really looks more like a button. It’s also cleaner design. So it wins either way.

                Your initial contention presumes that Skeumorphism is a good thing, something the vast majority of people now would disagree with (the last guy at Apple to believe that just got fired).

        • Grendell

          Aesthetically squircles would both fit and make the sailfish UI a lot nicer methinks. I like how they’ve put more thought into swiping from the center as opposed to swiping from the edge of screen. I’d very much like to see this swiping from center combined with harmattan’s swipe down from edge to close. I like the vertical home screens but find the horizontal layout from the N9 much more to my taste.
          This is very promising indeed were it given proper hardware support.

          • jiipee

            The vertical homescreens are odd, I agree. Could it be due to some stupid IP rights?

    • Harangue

      Jay,I agree. They went all out with the gestures and there are some problems I see with that.

      The first being; how is it to use one handed? A lot actions or gestures are pretty precise it appears and might be hard to do when using your device one handed, negating the whole idea of the gestures.

      Secondly, with a lot of gestures being edge to edge or from the edge it looks like the screen size of the N950 is about the max they can use. If you go bigger, say Lumia 920 like, it will become harder to do those edge swipes. Atleast I think it would become uncomfortable to use one handed, although it might fair better with two handed use.

      The same thing goes for height btw, top swipes will become much harder.

      I like the whole gesture idea, but I feel they shot themselves in the foot (and RIM similarly) with too much gestures that make it hard to implement in the form factors and sizes we know today as high end.

      Lastly, the learning curve is steep. Like the contacts app where editing is done with this odd half way swipe to reveal the menu. A neat idea but it didn’t strike me as logical right off the bat.

      Anyway, we’ll see how it pans out in the final release and with actual hardware. All the beat to them!

      • migo

        Gestures work just fine with the playbook. So no, there’s no shooting themselves in the foot.

        While I used to be a proponent of one handed use, that’s largely because that’s what I was used to. People have been using phones 2 handed with QWERTY keyboards for a while, and smartphones are just making that happen more.

        • Harangue

          I don’t know about that. Yes I use my devices two handed when typing but I have enough use cases I do solely one handed.

          The Playbook isn’t the right comparison IMHO, a tablet is meant for two handed use, or you put it down on a table and use it thus making gestures easier. A phone isn’t used in the same way. Chances are it will be usable pretty easily, but I’m voicing some concerns around it.

          • migo

            A couple years I think that concern would have been more valid. By now consumers have shown themselves to be fine with larger screens that can clearly not be used one handed. In fact, they seem more popular among women, who have smaller hands and would have an even harder time using them one handed (the only people I’ve ever seen use a Dell Streak have been women).

            • Noki

              I personally think its a trend that will pass, and soon enough the industry will converge in to a standard size… this young markets tend to work a bit like this and have a kinda converging like wave pastern… we will see…. but i do think some devices are to large, I still prefer my n9 size over the L920. dough I would not mind the extra screen def the l920 carries

              • migo

                It will converge into a standard size, yes, but it’s going to be on the bigger size.

    • anon2

      This thing is a mess.

      • Spede oli aliarvostettu

        Jolla shows us how the sheep can be persuaded to believe how a new mobile OS will change the world.

        First you need some link to Linux core. If that Linux core was somehow tweaked by Nokia’s highly praised but badly managed coders, it’s a plus.

        Second you claim that you have a new UI paradigm or just make the people figure out that there might be one. Talk big, show very little and if you can, claim that iOS looks old and people are bored to it. Some people hate it so much that they just have to believe you because they can hate iOS.

        Promise that you will deliver something very soon. You should make flexible promises that are not precise, just like Jolla did. People understood that they were going to release a phone in 2012. When that didn’t happen, the Believers just figured out that they didn’t actually promise it. You can repeat this few times. If Jolla is not going to deliver before summer, they can always say that they hoped to release before summer and it was not really a promise.

        This is how it worked with Jolla, but there has been lots of new mobile OS releases that were about to change the world with something great. Anyone remember WebOS, BB10, Tizen or Mer?

        Tomi Ahonen was even forecasting that Tizen is about to be the third ecosystem in a couple of years. Now, you really have to Believe if you think that is going to happen. But hey, it’s Linux based, people know very little about it and the sheep believe it’s going to be big.

        • GordonH

          Too many mushrooms again spede?

          • jiipee

            πŸ˜‰ he loses his credibility rigth after the word sheep.

            There are plenty of WP related blog posts, which tell that WP is on good track, all features are in place, no overpromice underdeliver there and it is firmly the third ecosystem. And he had to come here to share his experiences on animal husbandry.

            • Spede oli aliarvostettu

              Yes, that was a basic mistake from me.

              I should have known that talking about sheep was reserved for people praising Symbian and blaiming Elop for ruining everything.

              • GordonH

                “Yes, that was a basic mistake from me. ”
                Don’t worry too much… We are used to it.

    • migo

      I think Nokia just did a better job explaining it. It seemed simple because they explained it so well. If you put someone who had never seen the videos in front of the N9, they ended up confused, and sometimes completely unable to do anything.

      I really wonder what they’ll be doing with notifications though. The N9’s app list/multitasking/notifications homescreen set up was quite interesting. Sailfish has done away with the notifications screen. I guess it would still fit the UI paradigm to bring that in by swiping down from the top.

      • Bob

        I think Marko Ahtisaari did a good job of explaining it for the N9. Would have been interesting to see his input at Jolla

      • jiipee

        migo: Ive started to like your input lately πŸ˜‰

        I agree with you. They have a long way ahead of them. One thing to note though. If Ive understood correctly, Jolla has all the time said that this is the firt introduction to what is coming. If this approach will lead to them learning how to improve and promptly implement the improvements, they have done everything right. Also with SDK they took input from devs and are now implementing those and coming back with official release (hopefully).

        I have to say I was slightly disappointed with the homescreen part. The notification area seems to be partially hidden ie one needs two swiped to reach it. And so far it does not seem to follow the Swipe’s Events logic. Someone noticed though that there was similar accounts icon there as Harmattan has, which could mean that the Events info is well in place.

        I had hoped more widget like approach: a merge of N9s events view and WPs resizable tiles. One could have set newspaper like layout to home screen with widgets that one could interact directly. Also by entering text with keyboard.

        • migo

          If it’s a first introduction, that means it’s a long way out. A rather crucial issue here is the smartphone OS market is getting more crowded.

          iOS and Android have already mostly saturated it, Windows Phone is already out and is in the process of being improved, while gradually gaining marketshare, BB10 is about to be out the door, allegedly Tizen’s going to be rolling out in 2013 (although that could very well get pushed back), and FFOS should be out in 2013 as well. We’re looking at 5-6 competing OSes for Sailfish. They can’t take too long otherwise it might end up being 7.

          I think there’s certainly room for multiple operating systems to coexist, it’s not like the original PC OS wars where PCs were so expensive you really could have only one, but the smartphone space is a bit more dicey. If you look at gaming consoles, it’s quite easy for someone to have a PS3, a 360 and a Wii (U), along with a gaming PC and a tablet (maybe two!), but when it comes to a mobile, you’re going to have just one phone in your pocket. It strikes me as safer to approach the tablet market, as that’s less saturated, can handle people with multiple devices, and isn’t dependent on carriers.

          FireFox OS already has a carrier partner, Tizen’s got Samsung, BB10 has very wide distribution as well. Jolla…. well we don’t know what they have yet, but unless they can partner with a good carrier or manufacturer (ideally both), they’re going to have a really hard time, and that’s why the clock is ticking for them.

          • Jiipee

            Agree with you there. Its just the feeling I have, but for me the Samsung’s Tizens seems similar to Nokia’s OS efforts: they are the market leader and others might want to stay away. They seem to have some disagreements with intel already. Thirdly, they really arent a software company. Also, their business model seems to be reactive to market changes – though extremely fast – which might make it problematic to drive software development together with very wide product family.

    • crazyboy1

      @Jay Not as simple as N9 Swipe gestures, but still intuitive and on the easy side.

      I am a big supporter of True Multitasking so this OS is one to watch out for as Windows and iOS doesn’t have true multitasking. Not 100% on android. True multitasking is not a necessity and not for everyone, but for those who need the functionality in that special instance, it is a MUST on a phone. My old N95 had it, I can pick up that phone any day and feel right at home!

      • Spede oli aliarvostettu

        It’s true that some people really need the “true multitasking” some mobile phones have.

        However most people need the true mobile multitasking iOS has.

        It would be great to have both, but unfortunately that is not an easy task. True mobile multitasking requires changes to the applications and even with the model Apple has, not everyone is doing it right. Most venders are, but there are some not doing what should be done.

        Why it’s “true multitasking” instead of true multitasking? Symbian can’t handle true multitasking. It’s easy to check that out by opening multiple applications. At some point the OS starts to close them without asking permissions to do that. Even my Windows computed just uses some VM. That’s true multitasking.

        • Dave

          iOS, at least as I see it on my iPhone4S, doesn’t have multi tasking. It has task switching. Huge difference.

          iOS could easily support full multi tasking, its just that they’ve restricted it for “performance and battery life” reasons.

          Symbian offers a half way house, whereas Maemo/Meego/Sailfish, and the BB Playbook OS offer full multi tasking as you see on your desktop.

          I don’t think you understand multi tasking, it has nothing to do with virtual memory. iOS doesn’t support multi tasking (well, it support a very restricted subset of processes).

          • Spede oli aliarvostettu

            That’s strange. My iPhone 4S supports multitasking. No problems with it. I can easily run two or more applications at the same time. I don’t have jailbreaks or similar modifications.

            Perhaps it’s you who don’t understand what really is multitasking? Or “task switching” as you say.

            Multitasking is about running more than one applications at the same time. Preventing some specific tasks or not using virtual memory does not turn multitasking into “task switching”.

  • nabkawe

    I’m sure the Meego kernel is good, and what the guys did here is actually every Nokia’s dream UI wise , but i’m afraid in Smartphones people kind passed UI almost completely and went down to Apps .
    The main reason I love WP8/WP is they don’t clutter the app experience , The App is Important but the UI is in the background most of the time (even in live tiles) , For me this works best (although the lack of proper settings are still killing my experience.)

    • Noki

      the kernel is Linux, if they got the android thing working it will probably have more apps on get go than WP did.

      • Spede oli aliarvostettu

        Android apps. Requiring lots of processing power like Android applications require. That kills the possibility of making a low end device. Making a low end device would result with lagging Android applications. Not so nice.

        And the Jolla phone can run Android applications, that pretty much kills the developr interest to make native applications. Only very few will be made because there is no point of making a Jolla native code if you already have the Android application running there.

        Now why would someone make an native application for Jolla if there is an Android application already?

        • Noki

          Same reason no one is making apps in html5, platform integration.
          as soon as a platform becomes popular you need to use the design language native to that platform becouse your users will demand it. the adroid thing is just a steping stone to help bring the initial apps and the most wanted apps into a platform….
          Its not that innovative bb10 is doing it as the kindle is. just being smart.

          as for the low end thing. you guys have to decide if android is competitive or not in the low end it cant be uncompetitive today, and way better than meltemi would ever be yesterday.

          • Spede oli aliarvostettu

            Are you suggesting that html5 is not going to be popular for applications?

            What makes you think that the users would demand “design language natural” to Jolla? I suppose you are talking about programming languages and not about UI design “language” or something similar.

            Most users don’t know or even care how the application was made and what language it’s using. I bet the majority of mobile phone users don’t even know about programming languages. If there is a new hot game for Android running smoothly with the hardware Jolla’s phone has, why would the developer bother to create the same application with the native language?

            Now how is BB10 supposed to be innovative and get lots of native applications?

            About the low end. In the long run phones are going to be so powerful that running Android in the low end is not a problem. That may not happen in few years so before that happens, the low end will be a problem for Jolla if they are using Android applications.

            For Meltemi that would have been a problem because Nokia would have needed to be competitive even after android catches up in the low end.

            So, with Android application, Jolla can’t push low end now. Maybe that’s not a problem for them, who knows.

            • Noki

              Yes html5 apps will never become the standard… I have Bean hearing that since for ever and no progress.

              Was talking about platform integration the way a notification looks. The way you interact with an app the way a list behaves etc etc etc… How is the application closed. How does the app get internal cominication to the system….etc etc.

              I’m guessing you don’t code or you would know what I’m talking about…

              • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                I know what you are talking about but I’m really not sure if you have considered what that opinion of yours means.

                It was a surprise that you think just like Steve Jobs did when he was talking about that subject.

                Now, how does Qt fit into this look and feel? After all, applications developed with Qt are targeted for multiple platforms. How do you think Qt is able to solve those problems while it’s not going to be possible, according to you, to do the same for HTML5?

                Yes, it’s true that we have been hearing forever how HTML5 is going to progress. And the same for mobile Qt. Now, where is the actual difference?

                • Oreg

                  Please do not speak about something you don’t know. Most of your comments are factitious but this is totally out of scope.
                  Qt is everything that HTML5 wont to be.
                  First please learn how a Qt application feels on different platforms.
                  Secondly it is good to know what the difference between managed and native code.
                  And last Qt on mobile was Nokia’s and only Nokia’s project. The reason it’s abadoning was only political, managing decision and not technical. And it seems it’s career is not over, becouse Digia, RIM and Jolla starting it from scratchs.

                  • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                    Please don’t assume you have a better knowledge about something if you don’t understand different point of views.

                    Mobile Qt has been a promise. It’s very hard to argue that. I was not claiming it’s not possible to make mobile Qt applications. What you didn’t apparently understand was that I was asking about the differences. It was a question. Not a claim. You may understand the difference between questions and claims?

                    However it seems that your competence on this matter is easily questioned if you are claiming that Digia, RIM and Jolla are really starting mobile Qt from scratch. Do you insist that is the case?

                    So, maybe you could explain how Qt is able to accomplish something that will not be possible to implement with HTML5? No, I don’t mean it’s not implemented now. I’m really curious to know why “managed code” permanently prevents native look like implementations on selected platforms?

                    • Noki

                      Simple because with Qt is relatively easy to do platform integration. You still have the raw c++ to do what ever you want.and probably to write the internal app logic in a completely portable efficient way.

                      In html5 I have yet to still to see that.. Tizen will have to do that and I’m sure its possible to do that targeting a specific platform, by creating specific platform lets call it “objects” that you can call in css, but then it wont be true open standards html5 will it? And it wont be portable any more… and that was not the idea around html5 apps, the idea was that one app could run on all platforms, and pragmatically there is no problem in doing that, but users want more, they want integrated apps were certain behaviour patterns used in a certain platform is used in all apps in that platform, the moment html5 starts to do that it no longer is true html5 but something else, probably it would end up being much closer to the QML_PlatformComponents paradigm were the UI part is detached from the core programmatic logic that you can reuse for each platform, and you basically adapt the UI in QML for each platform using the created components for that platform.

                      Any way you probably don’t code and apparently don’t have much experience in the area, so it becomes a rather pointless discussion, but hope the simplified explanation above helps you understand the issues.

                    • Oreg

                      I do not meant any personal attack, if it seems to, I’m sorry. You wrote:

                      “I know what you are talking about but I’m really not sure if you have considered what that opinion of yours means.”

                      You already had the answers for your questions, aren’t you? (it just was a questin:))

                      But if it realy was a question, than the native vs managed code debut is not about UI or what you can or cannot inplement with them. I’m sure everything you can do with Qt you can do with HTML5, too (if the platform is prepared aproprietly, of course), but it has a price in performance. With javascript and HTML5 it is a very high price. Some part of QML is managed code too, thats why you should write only the UI in QML.

                      Anyways, I’m not a fan of this new Jolla UI. There are to more inconsistencies and questions about it. It’s shame they cannot use Harmattan’s UI, Nokia not using it after all. With a little tweak it should be a killer UI. Maybe Jolla has Nokia’s sources but they cannot use it, so yes they have to do it from beginning. BBX10 has nothing to with Meego, Maemo or linux kernel (as I know), so it seems RIM cannot use Nokias sources (and they should not have it anyway :)). Digia bought the rights, I’m not sure about the sources, but they now imlpementing Qt for iOS and Android. So yes, again from beginning.

                    • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                      Yes, HTML5 is something I don’t have really high hopes for. Never had. While I don’t hold my breath hoping it to succeed, I don’t try to claim there is no potential.

                      It was actually very hard to say what was and was not claimed because these are not simple matters. About having answers for my question, it’s not that simple. Yes, I may have some answers, but that doesn’t mean I have all of them. Actually it would be hard to trust anyone claiming to have all the answers for a matter like that. I’m interested in about opinions and arguments.

                      Noki is apparently trying to be some kind of authority what it comes to coding. What he is missing is the simple question about the actual need for native applications. Why would the developrs want to make native applications if they already have the Android version running on Jolla phone?

                      So, Noki, why would most developers bother to do a native version if there was already Android version? It’s very hard to believe that would happen only because of “Was talking about platform integration the way a notification looks. The way you interact with an app the way a list behaves etc etc etc… How is the application closed. How does the app get internal cominication to the system….etc etc.”

                      HTML5 has hardly anything to do with this. I was just curious about how people are thinking about it. I know that some people really believe it’s the Next Java without the problems java has.

                      Too many coders are very arrogant what it comes to talking about applications.

                    • Noki

                      “So, Noki, why would most developers bother to do a native version if there was already Android version?”

                      I believe i answered that question 3 times already, are you trying to pursue a self fulled narrative narrative? That only serves to propagate FUD???

                      Or did you truly missed the argument 3 times?

                      Any way for the fourth time….
                      Because that is what consumer will demand, as soon as a platform becomes popular enough and people are ofered options in a platform they will tend to use the options that are better integrated in the platform.
                      This forces the app creator to use the platform tools and API’s.

                      The android compatibility is just a steeping stone to have more apps on launch, this will in return will get you more users and the in the end creates the need for proper ported apps.

                    • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                      I know you keep telling us about better integration and all that.

                      Games are one of the most popular applications there is. You never explained what all that integration really means. You just keep telling us that there have to be all that magical integration that will force the developers to make native applications.

                      So, talking about games, what is that amazing magic integration that forces the developers to make native applications instead of running the Android code?

                      Or are you going to explain how games are not important and the real applications are those you can use for productive work?

                    • Noki

                      @Spede oli aliarvostettu Ok if you don’t know anything about how this work IMO you should abstain from talking about it…

                      95% of games are done in a completely different way and have nothing very litle to do with dalvick or Qt or objective C, games use OpenGL directly or in most cases via some sort of game engine that does that for them. Any platform integration is limited to how do you close the game at most..

                      if the game is something more imaginative that requires some platform integration that is not available by the engine used, that it will have to be linked via some c++ method available in the platform.

                      Porting games across most mobile platforms is relatively easy as the platform standard is OpenGL, the only case were its not so trivial is WP that as no OpenGL dough DirectX does pretty much the same stuff and many engines support it booth (not sure how many have been ported to WP).
                      I’m not a game developer I don’t keep track of those things.

                      But really if you want to peruse an argumentative agenda in this area you really should know a bit more about it

                    • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                      So, you are actually saying that the largest application segment there is, games, just don’t need any of that magical and amazing platform integration.

                      Games used OpenGL ES, but that’s not all. While many games do use engines, even those engines need platform interaction. Network communications, databases, XML, UI elements etc. You are actually boldly saying that you don’t know how games really work while you claim that they don’t really interact with the platform.

                      OpenGL ES is not the only thing to be ported. Just a hint.

                      So, if the biggest segment in applications doesn’t need native applications over Android ones, just please explain some general concepts about those amazing magical platform integrations that will force developers to use native code?

                      GPS? Maybe not. Databases? No.

                      Some very special UI elements? That’s probably what you are proposing. Now that kind of elements would force the developers to make the native applications? Yes, really force then to do those. Examples please?

  • holy cow

  • Doug

    Sailfish OS is significantly better than Windows Phone!

  • Spede oli aliarvostettu

    I’m not impressed by the Jolla UI.

    It seems that they added almost every possible gesture they had time to add and now it’s just a mess.

    Can someone remember one Linux based mobile OS that didn’t make a fuss just because people think a Linux based OS just might be able to challenge iOS and Android?

    • GordonH

      “I’m not impressed by the Jolla UI.”
      Obviously duh. Anything not from MS is big no no from you.

      • Janne

        Spede oli aliarvostettu doesn’t like WP himself, he is an iPhone user as far as I can tell.

        • Noki

          Seams to me he just like to shoot down in every direction without any logic or target. Just for the sake of shooting.

          • Spede oli aliarvostettu

            I understand why you may feel like that.

            I’m not a fanboy and that may be a small problem for some people. That’s the reason it may look like I’m shoothing every direction. In reality, I’m not. If there is something good in some phone, I say it. If there is something bad, I write about that. It’s that simple.

            It’s obvious that WP8 is a phone many people seem to like. Many people just love to forget the shortcomings their favorite phone has.

            Currently I’m using iPhone 4S because it offers me the features I like. In the future I may get something else.

    • migo

      Obviously Linux appeals to people who like supporting the underdog, so it’s always going to create that reaction.

      • jiipee

        Here I disagree. Tizen hasnt really created similar reaction. Firefox to some extent.

        Why Jolla got so much traction was primarily due to Nokia’s drastic strategy change and N9.

        • Spede oli aliarvostettu

          You forget that the “blog rated top Power Influencer in Mobile by Forbes” assumes that Tizen will be the third ecosystem in just a few years.

          And why wouldn’t people wait for Tizen to succeed? It has Linux core, some MeeGo legacy and it’s not Google or Apple.

          Yes, it would be so sweet to see Tizen to succeed so the Nokia lambs (!) could prove Elop as a failure. Really sweet.

          • Janne


            Tomi Ahonen says Tizen will be the SECOND ecosystem by 2015.

            Tweet is here:


            • Noki

              Tizen as an incredible back bone on the EFL libs, those things are known to be incredibly efficient, but the way the thing is structured on top is not that exiting IMO.
              Others probably will have more input on it…
              It all depends how the relation with Google goes on for Samsung and Co, think they are using Tizen as a poking stick to Google so they have a threatening back up plan wen they negotiate with Google.

              Could Tizen reach number 2??? Sure it can if the manufactures get behind it. will they do that??? depends on how google negotiations with them go on and how threatened they fell with an Google monopoly.

              • migo

                The problem with EFL is it’s been in alpha for years, I think it’s only finally gone beta some time this year.

                • Noki

                  AFAIK because the main developer is kinda nuts.

              • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                MeeGo has some incredible backing. It was supposed to be the OS for everyring. Phones, cars, washing machines, almost anything. In the end Nokia perhaps never shipped one phone with MeeGo.

                It was just said that N9 didn’t have MeeGo. MeeGo proper that is. That’s how huge MeeGo turned out to be while it had all that support.

                And yes, Tomi Ahonen suggests that Tizen will be number 2 in 2015. That would be amazing. It’s so amazing that I didn’t even remenber it was really 2nd and not 3rd.

    • tom

      Android is Linux, take a look. Also it does kills WP is every aspect.

      As far as Linux, 70% of web runs on Linux, may be more. Top 10 web sites, definitely. It commands 60% + share in server space and absolutely killing windows there. Only place Windows rules is desktop.

      • GordonH

        “Only place Windows rules is desktop”
        Nope Windows rules in spede’s head too. He has too many mushrooms.

      • Spede oli aliarvostettu

        Linux is everywhere, but so what?

        Some people seem to think that Linux core guarantees the success for a new OS. This is what happened with Jolla.

        The sheep were just praising it before they had any real information about it.

        • Noki

          I think you fluently prove your ignorance about the technical subjects so stop speeding FUD.

          Linux Kernel guaranties that will run on any hardware, without any need to do major work in that area… The GNU part of Linux will give you for free (open) most of the development tools and backbone infrastructure for everything to work…

          • Spede oli aliarvostettu

            So, that will make any OS based on Linux core a success?

            I see what you are trying to say.

            • ftw

              You are a sad little troll aren’t you? you rebate an argument only you are making. Sad!

              • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                Did I say something Nokia sheep would like not to see?

                Actually, what was there in Jolla to be praised when they announced it?

                And praised it was.

          • migo

            No, he’s right. Linux spin offs have had far more failures than successes. When they succeeded against entrenched competition, it was because of powerful corporate backing (Canonical and Google).

            • Noki

              “Linux spin offs” I guess you mean startup’s. Most of the time its the manufactures that use it, in embedded its mostly that and they end up most of the time using some distro with little on no corporate support, mostly organic.

              ON the server side there are plenty of contenders, the biggest one being Red Hat.

              Desktop end user there is Canonical and with chrome Google booth pretty small, and tons and tons of small distros mostly community driven.

              People end up confusing things up but Linux is a kernel associated with the kernel abut in most cases not exclusive to it you get lost of other softwares that alows you to do do what ever on top of hardware Xserver, databases, webservers. gcc, etc etc etc its incredible the amount of software you need to make a working UI.. And that what Linux gives you for free, its a great way to create an OS since most of the work was done for you…. Now marketing, hardware and commercialization is still up to you, and usually that area is very complex, and not trivial to face competition, biggest reason Linux on the desktop never picked up, Were competition is more open and the price tag of the OS is more important Linux tends to be king… Ujualy extremely cheep hardware were every nickle counts (embedded), or high end server area were scalability is crucial.

              And then we have Android that picked up Linux warped it you with some in house java foo, and did all the marketing selling part right to create a winner in the medium range price tag, that used to be very difficult for linux to make a dent on….

              All of this resulted that the Kernel that used to be laugh material for Microsoft is now the most used kernel in the planet.

              As Gandhi said… β€œFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

              • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                I think you have missed the point. I don’t think anyone is claiming that Linux is not good. It’s good. It’s great. But so what?

                Many people seem to think that if it’s Linux core, it’s destined to be a success. The problem is, that this is not the case. It may succeed but a failure is also an option.

                Apple is not using Linux core, so it seems that Linux core is not the only way to success.

                • Noki

                  I should avoid answering you because you seams like you want to talk only to yourself.

                  But that “Many people seem to think that if it’s Linux core, it’s destined to be a success.” is something only you say so you are debating with yourself and arriving to a conclusion that what only you said was wrong and that every one that says it are wrong. Its not an uncommon debate technique.

                  What Linux as proved so far is the it can be hugely successful. Something many said it could not.

                  I’m sure you will want to have the last word so please had something to the debate that disregards everything just said, and gives you some sort of nebulous win here.

                  • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                    Look, it’s not about Linux. It’s about Jolla and why would Jolla succeed. Linux is nice but so what?

                    The reason why I get the last word with you is actually pretty simple.

                    You make claims, I ask you why and you keep posting anything but real explanation. Then you simply stop because you don’t have anything to continue with.

                    You were talking about N9 sales in the quarter it was released. You posted some link with huge amount of comments. And you never explained why. All you had was the claim that there was some math but you were unable to show the math. What?

                    When asked about native applications you gave some vague comments how there will be some native features forcing developers to replace Android code with native code. This time you never explained what are those features. Just claimed that there are some. What?

                    It seems that you don’t want to talk. Maybe you just want to preach?

              • migo

                Yes, Red Hat was successful, very much so, but they weren’t going in against an entrenched market. They were going in against a bunch of different Unixes and Microsoft. That’s a quite different situation.

                The closest is Tablets – they’re still in their infancy, and Canonical realises that, which is why Unity is being re-done to work with a tablet interface (incidentally, a few people have pointed out that it has some similarities to Maemo 5). But even there, they’ve still got some strong commercial backing, and it’s unlikely they’ll ever be anything more than a small player.

      • ZiPA

        “As far as Linux, 70% of web runs on Linux, may be more. Top 10 web sites, definitely.”

        Maybe, maybe not. The statistics, especially for big websites are skewed since it is in practice not possible to access the actual servers from the public internet, instead you are hitting Akamai proxies, load balancers and anything but the actual servers. Of course, since Akamai AFAIK runs Linux, you could say that in practice the top sites run on Linux no matter what the company’s actual web platform is.

        “It commands 60% + share in server space and absolutely killing windows there.”

        Not according to the latest figures that I could find, IDC 2Q12 that have Linux servers at 22% revenue share and Windows servers at 48% revenue share.

    • Rezza

      I had the same feeling from BB10 – they are using all possible gestures combined but after a few days – I have to admit, I like it. I miss swipe down to close but it’s non sense on Sailfish/BB10 as you should not close apps by default.

  • Zipa

    Lol, a friend of mine has his mugshot visible in the contacts app home screen… πŸ™‚

    • Noki

      heheheh πŸ˜‰ small world πŸ™‚

      wishing the guys the best of luck.

  • I really loved Swipe UI, and as Jay commented, it was incredibly natural and simple, where sailfish doesn’t seem to have captured that. May not be important to anyone else, but it was for me.
    Also I wonder how Jolla will handle the issue of a web browser. Meego nailed it but Symbian couldn’t.
    Having just started using WP again, seeing this leaves me feeling a little unimpressed.
    That said, one thing i really hope comes to WP is swipe to the left for notifications. I find i miss so many tweets and Facebook posts since I’ve not had that to glance at.

    • Noki

      it’s Ok I guess, needs a ton of work.

    • viipottaja

      Btw, the 3rd party Notifications app is now available for 7.x devices.

    • Carbontubby

      Swipe was simple, this isn’t. It looks like the user will need to really concentrate to use the phone… or maybe it’s a ploy to stop people from using their phones while driving πŸ™‚

    • migo

      I imagine that won’t happen. While they somewhat copied the webOS cards look for multitasking, they didn’t actually copy the UI like the PlayBook did.

      What they could even do is if you hold back, the tiles would be on the right, as that’s how notifications are handled on WP. At that point though, they could just get rid of press and hold back, and just have it be press the windows button, and always have multitasking accessible with a swipe to the right, and the app list accessible with a swipe to the left.

      Essentially that would be the N9 3 home screens UI paradigm, but WP style.

  • pig_benis

    it was demoed on n950,, do you think guys that it will also work on n9?

    • Noki

      yes, it will πŸ™‚

      • Dave

        Although I’d prefer the N950, even if only for the much better camera (N8 unit iirc)

        • Actually if I recall the n950s camer was absolute garbage, as it was limited to 8mp by the OS, it was supposed to be 12mp though (not sure if it was the same one as the n8s)

        • f.pokrandt

          The N950 does NOT have the N8’s camera module. I own both devices and I can tell you that the N950’s camera, while having 4016*3012 pixels, produces ‘okayish’ photos and videos in good light, but at dusk or dawn or indoors at night, it gets quickly quite noisy.

          • Noki

            I believe there was an slightly different version of the n950 than the one we got that did had the n8 camera module… Yes the one we have is not very good.

  • Hosh333

    It does look quite good, can’t wait to see more and the rest of the OS

  • JG Smartypants

    I want this as my second phone. (what, you don’t have 2 SIMs?) πŸ˜‰

    • Noki

      me 2 im going to replace my N9 with a Z10 and probably my n950 with one from them just because I want to support their work, and probably port my apps over there as well πŸ™‚

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  • viipottaja

    The biggest problem from just watching the video seems to me be that some of the gestures require a lot of attention/focused action from the user (e.g. the pulley menu, manipulating the open app icon interactions, glancing battery/signal in the home screen).

    Transparencies and the overall looks are easier for them to polish (e.g. Why song duration times in such big font?)

    • Carbontubby

      I prefer the simple swiping in WebOS and BB10/QNX rather than this swiping frenzy – up, down, left, right, pulleys, my goodness πŸ™‚

      Menus are easier to use than pulleys especially if they’re done in large fonts in the middle of the screen. The back button in the upper left corner of the screen also is hard to reach with one hand.

      I wonder if they actually tested the usability of this interface rather than just thinking “Hey, let’s add it because it looks cool!” I’m using custom swipe actions on my Macbook’s huge touchpad, including 5-finger directional swipes, but gaining the muscle memory to make it seamless took a long time. A phone screen is much smaller, is used while on the move and shows content at the same time… different requirements.

      • Noki

        I agree the pull down menu is not that of a great idea, I guess its for quick access to secondary main options of an app or what ever. it might work but needs alot of work in the interaction details so its only triggered wen the user really wants it and its really easy to use it. The indirect manipulation I’m not that concerned about, its in way more direct than the typical tap to get list-scroll-tap logic as long as the list op option is relatively small.
        As usual in this thing’s the devil is in the details.

    • Exactly, I feel that they went a little too far with the gestures. They made some of them too precise to use which basically negates the entire idea of gestures. A gesture needs to be specific enough to remember but also needs to react to sloppy input. Sailfish has some that require specific and exact input from the user which could have been better via simple tapping instead of swiping all over the place.

      On the other hand, as with all software. They can still tweak some things and it might feel better handling it for real than looking at it through a video.

  • Mike

    Two things WP Platform needs

    Swipe to left for notifications system,weather etc

    Interactive live tiles like Sailfish os

    • migo

      Somehow I doubt that will happen. My thought with the interactive windows was it was exactly like the Windows 7 preview thumbnails. MS already has everything to make it work, but they’re evidently not having anyone working together on it.

      WP needs a lot of things, that are clearly not going to happen. It’s still baffling that Bing Maps for WP is the worst implementation of Bing Maps there is.

    • The swipe left won’t happen. It might in the homescreen but it won’t be accesible throughout the OS and therefor would make it somewhat useless.

      The interactive live tiles I would like and they would certainly be able to implement that. It would work great for things like switches for WiFi or something.

  • StefanP

    Looks very nice and performing good on this “outdated” HW! I have also the feeling the UI is a bit overloaded. It certainly needs a bit of learning, but after getting used to it, I think, all the basic things can be done quicker and more convenient than on other devices.
    No dedicated buttons. They seem to follow the button-less design of MeeGo/Harmattan. Have to say I rarely use the WP search button, so this one is really obsolete, even disturbing, as I hit it sometimes accidentally. What’s definitely needed is a simple way to get one step back (missing on N9) and “home”. They seemed to have implemented this with gestures. Fine. Hopefully this works across all apps.
    Still, I like to see some more real HW buttons. A dedicated camera button is a good thing, hopefully the first Jolla phone will have one. I also like iPhone’s mute switch (patented?).
    As a whole, I really like what I have seen so far. Actually I would swap my L920 against a N950 with slide-out keyboard and Sailfish OS straight away! (would be sorry for the loss of the great camera, but that’s all I’d miss)
    Looking forward to see (and get) the first Jolla phone hopefully in Q1 2013!

    • StefanP

      P.S.: Is there any reason why Nokia should not partner with Jolla? After all they are selling HW with licensed OS and a few own additions now. Adding Sailfish devices to their portfolio can not hurt. It’s sales, no matter if WP or SF. R&D effort should not be so high.

      • JGrove303

        I had assumed Nokia would partner with Jolla for possible IPs or for mapping/Nav.

        I can totally see an Sailfish running 820 and 620, removable batteries and support for 64GB microSDs. Or ya, an 820 with a slide out keyboard.

      • Noki

        they can’t they really can’t Nokia can only ship WP phones and symbian with a price tag of over 100$/€ never knew wich one was it (not even 100% sure its 100 but it was around that number).

        Nokia corned itself into a position were only a WP sales miracle can save the day… (that or asha line keep stellar sales numbers)

        • Viipottaja

          Who and where is it said Nokia can only ship WP phones?

          • Noki

            This is common knowledge and was part of the 1B deal AFIK.

            • viipottaja

              I don’t have that common knowledge. I would like a real source instead.

              in fact, having negotiated many commercial contracts myself, I can’t recall a contract that would have limited my organization or the counterpart from using other sources, products, providers or customers. What contracts I have seen DO do of course is commit the other party to using your product, service etc for e.g. a specified amount of time, volume or value. Or to deliver/provide to you and ensure they have enough delivery to me first and/or pari passu with others.

              • Noki

                Well people in Nokia told me so… I knew about it wen people referencing the target device for meltemi referencing a 100$/€ as the maximum it could be, for reasons such as the one I described above.

                • Viipottaja

                  Sorry, don’t find that to be compelling evidence of anything other than perhaps normal product lineup and market targeting/segmentation management. πŸ™‚ Nothing in that seems to me of evidence that Nokia is bound to use ONLY WP. But of course that’s just my opinion.

                  • jiipee

                    Agree, I dont think that there are contractual obligations to that direction. From operational point of view there is no option to anything else than WP.

                    • Viipottaja


                  • Noki

                    I’m just repeating what I was told informally.

                    But I was not the only one talking about it, soo…. where there’s smoke…..

    • migo

      I end up using the search button occasionally, but not nearly as much as if it were a universal search (not unlike beginning to type in the Windows 8 start screen). It definitely feels tacked on as an effort to force people to use Bing.

      • Jiipee

        Isnt it universal search? I always thought so. If its only Bing search, it would make more sense to use it as browser opener.

        • StefanP

          It’s Bing only, as far as I can tell. At least names from the contacts are not found, photos probably neither (but unlike on the N9, you can’t tag photos anyway…). So it’s basically a “Microsoft button”, I don’t need this. The root of my right thumb hits it sometimes. Would like to deactivate it.

          • migo

            yeah, Microsoft button is right. if it were universal search it would be very useful.

            • Noki

              An this is the sort of thing I hate about Microsoft products, this perpetual self sustained type of feature were one toll points to another Microsoft tool that will in return prove it has users so on and so forward. The users are treated as mindless cattle that uses their software no mater what, it worked for many years but things are changing.

              • Viipottaja

                I would not be terribly surprised though if they would turn it into a universal search function a la Windows 8 at some point.

                • migo

                  Me neither, but I would also be unsurprised if they didn’t.

              • migo

                Except, they’re not really doing that. If they did, it would actually be a lot better, but their integration is inconsistent and all over the place.

                You’d expect Windows Phone to work perfectly with Outlook (the software, not .com) and have problems with Gmail, but strangely enough it syncs perfectly with Gmail and doesn’t sync at all with Outlook.

                One of the most frustrating things for me with Windows Phone is the lack of integration with Microsoft products, because logically it should all be seamless. It speaks to their fragmented corporate culture, you’ve got a weird situation where iOS, Android and PlayBook OS have a better Bing Maps implementation than Windows Phone (and the search button doesn’t even search Bing Maps as well, even though it does do local searches, and in some cases I can’t find a location on Bing Maps but Local will find it, and vice versa).

            • StefanP

              I am really looking forward to buy a phone which is not primarily meant to be a gateway to paid services (besides the mobile data/voice), advertising, data harvesting and the like! No search machine behind, mail service, social networks, location data collection, dictation of codecs and VoIP service to be used or locking my data into proprietary systems! This could be Jolla. I really hope Jolla will be this!

    • atom

      Parents got two 920s for Christmas. My first thought was how dumb is this search button. How useless. My old Dad hit it constantly on accident. The first thing my mom said was “this is heavy”. Curious what their final verdict is in a few weeks.

      • StefanP

        It’s absolutely not needed for general navigation between the apps. There could be a tile for searching.

      • Hitting the search button by accident is something you need to get used to, to avoid it. The buttons are pretty close to the screen in the 920 (and 800) so hitting it by accident is easily done. I have it ever so often on my 800 as well.

  • GordonH

    Great move from Jolla. The UI is impressive, and seems well thought out on the pull down function.
    Improvements needed, it’s a Linux kernel which means it will be super fast to make those improvements and changes.

  • Aleve Sicofante

    So let me get this straight: you have a “card” in the main screen representing the media player. There’s a “play” icon in there and a “next” icon right there too. Now how many people will just frantically push those icons -which is the intuitive and logical thing to do- and see the phone not responding at all?

    How do the Jolla developers expect that a _forwards_ gesture means “pause” (then “play”) and a _backwards_ (right to left) gesture means “next” (this is especially dumb)????? Are they going to ask their users to RTFM????

    This isn’t just “taking the gestures approach too far”. This is plain stupid. I hope they reconsider what can be done at such level in the interface (the app “cards” in the main screen) and understand gestures are a coarse action, not a precise one. Pushable icons are the right tool to use for _precise_ actions. Icons are great at that. JUST USE THEM!!!! Especially when you have already drawn them there in the first place. Duh!

    I can imagine a gesture nazi directing UI operations at Jolla. Bad future for that phone/company if that’s the case. I’m hoping I’ll be able someday to install Sailfish on my N9, but if they keep making things so complex because “everything has to be a gesture or won’t be allowed here” I don’t think I’ll buy the idea at all.

    Ambience: good idea.
    Options residing in swipe up/down menus: good idea. We’ll get used to search for them there.
    Swipe left to right to go back: shouldn’t be the reverse exactly? Think of drawing an arrow and you’ll get the point.
    Smoothness: another proof that clever engineering doesn’t need four cores to even start to perform properly.
    Gesturitis: I hope they eat some humble pie and become reasonable about its obvious abuse. Swiping is not a magical recipe to solve all usability issues.
    Apps: hopefully the ones shown here are really really in an alpha state. They look completely unfinished and ugly at this point (why are they showing them? I believe it hurts more than it promotes the OS)

    I still keep high hopes though. After all these guys were behind the N9. I’m an underdog buyer (I’m not buying Android, Iphones or Windows phones), but it will take A LOT of work and maybe a mindset change at the Jolla design team before they can even think of competing in quality design with their previous baby, the fabulous N9.

    • StefanP

      I think its a quick learning. Presumably tapping that “tile” somewhere will bring the app to the foreground. Then the “normal” UI applies. Swiping inside the tile is just another short cut. Probably at the most 4 functions (up, down, left, right), and the position of the icons inside the tile would tell which direction to swipe.

    • I agree with you about those Player buttons. I think what they should do is keep the button Pressable, but add swipe functions as addon to control more, such as skipping to next or back tracks. Or swipe down to close the whole app.

    • burningIdea

      Icons in the cards: Agree that the icons would create some confusion for the users as they would press on it by instinct. But it won’t take long before users get used to the left-right gestures. Another thing is that swiping would actually reduce the chances of accidental presses.

      Options from pulldown menus: Smart idea, very easy for 1 handed usage too, unlike those popup menus in huge screens that require you to stretch your thumb till it aches. I wonder if anyone even realised this.

      Swiping left to right to back: Imagine you have a stack of papers on your table. To remove the top layer, most ppl would push it away from left to right since they’re right handed. It’s a normal reaction. And if you notice, the cards actually shifted towards the right, which is following the motion that your finger gestured: from left to right.

    • Noki

      ON the icons in the cards thing… all of this depend alot on the presentation and how you “hint” to the user how to interact with the UI.

      I agree there is room for improvement in many areas but to be honest I was expecting something far worse than this, was secretly afraid it would look like the open meego ui (the non swipe one).

      about the smoothness? does any one knows if they are using Qt5 or Qt 4.8? because I’m suspecting they are using 5 to achieve that level of smoothness.

      • Jiipee

        I think it was Carsten Munk on TMO, who confirmed that it is 4.8. Mer is already supporting 5, but it has been too late for Jolla to adopt it.

        A friend of mine working for Digia/Qt said that 4.8 Qt version brought extra smoothness to Qt. Cannot remember the name of the feature though. That was also one of the main software advances Nokia thought they could build on Meltemi to fight on cheap Androids.

        • Noki

          Qmlscengraph? that’s a qt5 thing, dramatically improves performance on low end OpenGL capable hardware, its actually not even funny comparing it to older versions

          • jiipee

            yes, that is the one. It has been around since 2010:

            And that was one of the cornerstones to push the hw requirements (Bom) of Meltemi down to 50$, which was the original target. (In some blog a former anonymous team member claimed that mgmt pushed it lower)

            • Noki

              Someone (RIM/Jolla) will take advantage of it.
              But its not available as in the standard module in qt 4.8 can be ported but that is kinda hackish…Qt5 in now in beta stage sooo wont be long till all of this get moved to scenegraph.

              • James

                qt5’s no longer beta… it was released a fw days ago.

    • Regarding the back gesture; it is logical the way it is now. THink about reading a book, you pick up the page from the left and pull it to the right to flip it over.

      It will be confusing for those that use Arabic languages where it is the other way around ofcourse.

    • lovenokia

      windows phone is still an underdog, but I still love my nokia lumia 920

  • Well well, this is impressive work no doubt. Yes a little bit more to get used to it unlike the original MeeGo UI, that was more natural to adopt without thinking, this one I hope get better with time.

    One thing personally I like to see ALWAYS ON TOP is Time and Battery status. I think Jolla should do some setting to keep those things up, I know it is formula but it is something important. I don’t mind if it stays in the bottom or on top but it should be there.

    • Bob

      I would also like a status bar to be always visible, although I’ve seen in other videos that it was a design decision to leave that out.

      I understand that they wanted to allow the app to take up all of the screen real-estate. That is, they removed the status bar and the otherwise obligatory button bar on the bottom. After seeing the engadget video, I can now see that they have gotten rid of the button bar and replaced it with the push down menu, which I sort of like (without seeing what it is like to use – it may be annoying for pages where you need to scroll a lot).

      I info in the status bar is obtained with the ‘push’ gesture. I know that it’s easy to reach but I would much rather not have to interact with the phone to reach that info. Status bar please Jolla.

      • Yes, I understand we will get big screen state if leaving the status bar, and they really ‘think’ an easy way to keep it on easy access but always visible is good. I agree with you, and with them too.

        It will be interesting to see reaction from other users.

      • StefanP

        I support the idea of a permanent status bar with the most important info (configurable). I miss it on my L920. Would like to be sure if I consume volume from my mobile data quota or are on WiFi. Even the swipe down to show the status bar does not work from many apps on WP. Probably an WP7/WP8 incompatibility.

  • Weirdfisher

    As a N9 user, this looks too complicated
    I don’t know why they just don’t add an edit, delete button instead of putting pull down menu everywhere

    • migo

      While the pull down menu does make sense in some ways, it’s going to be a bit inconsistent. In one screen swiping down just moves you down, in another it brings a pull down menu. What about if you’re in a web page and scrolling down?

  • dss

    messy indeed.. Harmattan seems like the way to go in terms of ux.

    I would take wp over this..

    • True multitasking is only benefit playing their way at the moment. Good thing is that Jolla is not final with this preview so there could, and should be many improvment done after geting feesbacks of these sort of previews.

      They need to work on the homescreen too. I can live with the drag down to get the menus. that is a neat way, although risky but interesting.

    • migo

      The issue with Harmattan, which you can see if you look at ideas project, is really the same issue iOS had. While it covers all the basics of what people need, there’s always stuff people want added.

      iOS started quite simple, but then in iOS 3 it added the search screen, and on ideas project one of the most common and highly voted suggestions was a swipe up to bring the keyboard up and start typing.

      There’s always an increasing list of features to add, but there’s a limited number of swipe gestures that can be used before things get overwhelming.

      Sailfish appearing cluttered I think is the natural evolution of Harmattan, and it’s not pretty.

      • Spede oli aliarvostettu

        Actually iOS had about the same features in 2007 it has today.

        • migo

          No, it definitely has more than it had in 2007. It generally looks the same, but it has become cluttered.

          iOS2 was really clean, and even though it lacked a bunch of features it worked really well for what it was.

          • Spede oli aliarvostettu

            Sorry, I may have mistaken.

            Somehow I thought about those stories how there was never anything new in iOS when it was updated.

            I was really amazed how well the first iPhone worked back in 2007 when I was playing with it for the first time. It’s also easy to remember those customer comments in that Apple Store.



    the best thing about this video was the nokia n9.
    i laughed at the “tile” reference, now u can have tiles that work with swipe gestures, why it’s live tiles lolz

    but seriously, this is complicated, steep learning curve, but “nerds/geek” types will love it.

    • I hope we will get 950 as used mobile in our markets somehow, I will get one. Just to keep it.

      • StefanP

        I doubt that anyone would sell his/her N950! Could not find any on ebay. I will never sell my N9, might even buy another one. Sailfish is lean enough to run smoothly on those devices. WP8 could never do this. It’s still Microsoft and each new OS needs more resources without any significant improvement. Microsoft is still thinking desktop and common core. The mobile environment is a bit different and needs a special approach.

  • Mazze

    So counter-intuitive.

    • Hosh333

      It’s in development. I found android quite confusing as well but with bit of time it was all clear. I mean it could be cleaner but we need to give this time to mature. Nothing is final at this point

      • viipottaja

        Absolutely true. Still, one hopes they don’t e.g. stick to the “grab and swipe” to move back (instead of a quick, IMO much more intuitive and fluid swipe). πŸ™‚

  • Vill

    I whould say, theres a bit of blackberry 7 and playbook in there! Hope theres no prlblems later, having a n9 on service again. Now shiped to finland for somthing that couldnt be fixed in sweden! Looking for ard for sailfish, hope you can by the os, like windows computers ex

    Keep going strong!

    • StefanP

      They always emphasized that they could not support other vendor’s HW. But of course nobody expects this! If I buy Windows 8, Microsoft really does not care if I have a HW problem. So, Jolla, just sell SW licences, maybe with appropriate disclaimers. Maybe for a limited time until new and optimized HW is available. My N9 is waiting!

      • Jiipee

        The problem with N9 is according to a Jolla employee in Facebook that there are several closed bits in N9 hardware. Having Sailfish fully compatible would require someone to write open drivers and that might not happen.

        • Spede oli aliarvostettu


          I remember a time when Nokia and Nokia fans were claiming that N9’s MeeGo was open source. They were saying that Apple was evil because they had all that closed source they were using.

          Now people are telling us that there are all that closed source in N9’s MeeGo and it’s actually not open source as they were telling us.

          Even Apple has some open source components they are using. N9 may have more of those but in the end it’s still closed source just like Apple is.

          So, it was just lies and more lies from Nokia?

          • jiipee

            What is your point? Or do you understand anything?

            HW related rights are owned by the hardware vendors and Nokia can purchase the rights, but not distribute them freely. ok?

            UI/UX was to be done by the vendor/OEM and it was going to be closed as such. That is something Jolla UI will probably be, when Mer core and Nemo bits are already open source. Depending on who does the hw adaptation for Sailfish to which components, that part can be open or closed.

            Please, go and grap something to eat and the effect of mushrooms will dilute a bit.

            And btw. N9 was Meego-Harmattan, not Meego proper.

            • Spede oli aliarvostettu

              Are you trying to tell me that there is Open Source and “Open Source” that’s not open but we should call it Open Source because there are some reasons why some some portions are closed source? Nice.

              You may remember the famous statement from Jo Harlow about Nokia telling the world what is open source and what is not. It’s nice to see how someone is so arrogant?


              “We will define what ‘open’ means”

              Yes, it’s not the first time Nokia is trying to define ‘open’.

              It’s also nice to see how you are using so great arguments like that one. Really professional from you.

              • ftw

                In my life in very few occasions have I had the opportunity to find characters with such low quality as yourself, no argument is to low, twisted, or absurd.

                Congratulations to you and my condolences to your parents.

                It must be sad to be yourself.

                • Spede oli aliarvostettu

                  So, you were they guy claiming that Tomi Ahonen is a great forecaster.

                  And when I pointed out how he has failed, you proposed that we should look only some of his forecasts. Now what does that tell about you?

                  You are probably just annoyed because someone was telling about the lies Nokia was spreading around. Yes, it was a lie. Nokia N9 never had a real open source OS while Nokia was promising to deliver an open source OS based on Linux core.

                  Or perhaps it was not a lie? Perhaps MeeGo just never shipped. Perhaps Nokia never bothered to tell people that MeeGo never shipped?

  • Carbontubby

    I think the big problem with all this swiping is that it doesn’t work on a mobile phone’s small screen. Jolla is trying to present a bunch of different things – home screen widgets, apps, notifications, running programs – using the same gestures. Pulling down in the home screen does one thing, pulling down in an app shows the pulley menu. As Apple have shown, you can get away with doing something badly, as long as you do it consistently πŸ˜‰

    On Symbian: pull down from the top, you get the settings/notifications page. Nice and consistent

    On Playbook’s QNX: pull down from the bezel, you get the settings page in the homescreen and the menu in other apps. Not so consistent. At least the up swipe brings up the launcher in all apps

    Humans have a hard time imagining a bigger visual, virtual space within the mobile phone. It’s like running OS X or Linux with 10 virtual desktops… pretty soon you forget which windows are on which desktop.

    • Carbontubby

      Oh yeah, on QNX: swipe left or right switches to the app to the left/right, like WebOS cards. Nice and simple idea of multitasking as long as some idiot doesn’t use left/right swiping within the app itself πŸ™‚

      • migo

        Even in the app it’s fine – ebooks for instance. Just it helps that the PlayBook has a large bezel that is actually gesture sensitive – something hard to do with a smartphone, which is possibly why BB10 has switched that up a bit.

  • Janne

    All around a smooth experience, it seems. Great job, Jolla guys!

    Not sure about all the transparency though, looks a bit messy, but the swipe-down menu looks interesting. Context-menus without lifting the finger multiple times, nice idea.

    Overall it was a bit hard to follow with all the gestures and all that transparency, but would have to play live to really know. And this is just the first preview.

    They do face a monumental task in getting things to fly, of course (as does Nokia), but I am ever the optimist as you know. πŸ™‚

    • jiipee

      If they are lucky to get the correct partners, this could fly. Alone, no way.

      One company, who I havent earlier though of, but could be interested is Sony. They have a bit overlap with Google eg. in Music store. They cover all screen sizes and devices (phones, tablets, tvs, playstation etc) and at the same time own a big entertainment business. Then ofcourse there are plenty of internet companies in China, who could be interested having a own branded device.

      If Jolla has really been able to avoid using patented tech, Sailfish could be even more affordable option to Android. And they have positioned themselves as Android competitor.

      If they do well, that would be also positive for Nokia, since they share a lot of subcontractors.

  • kmonga

    Not really a fan of the square-circle – seems generic to me. I liked the original ^3 icons better which had more variety & more dynamic looking. Plus I liked how they took up less screen space & showed more of your wallpaper thru the design as a opposed to the whole button being colored in.