Elop On an Android Nokia Phone: “Anything Is Possible” [Updated]

| January 7, 2013 | 227 Replies

Look ma! No HandsIn an interview with Gizmodo Stephen Elop let some surprising words out, when asked about the possibility of a Nokia Android phone in the future he said “Anything is possible”; just that there probably won’t be one right now

 Do you discard launching an Android phone next year?

Elop: In the current ecosystem wars we are using Windows Phone as our weapon. But we are always thinking about what’s coming next, what will be the role of HTML 5, Android… HTML5 could make the platform itself—being Android, Windows Phone or any other—irrelevant in the future, but it’s still too soon [to tell]. Today we are committed and satisfied with Microsoft, but anything is possible.

This is in complete contrast to Elop’s usual statements that they are completely dedicated to Windows Phone platform and have no intention of branching out; instead now Elop is basically saying that Nokia will be willing to jump ship should the need arise, or once they gain enough market-share you might see an Android Windows phone. Also asked about their current goals he replied:

I can’t give figures, but the first objective, without giving any dates, is getting a double-digit marketshare. Then, keep pushing and establish an equilibrium with the other two big ecosystems, Apple and Android.

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Note that he didn’t say get Windowsphone to a double digit marketshare, but he’s talking about Nokia alone…..

I personally wouldn’t actually hate an Android Nokia, especially with the latest changes that have come with jelly bean (google now is kickass!); also Android would leave Nokia with more room to customize and skin it to their own liking (hell you can throw a swipe skin on it maybe!)

But for now I’m content with my 920 running Windows Phone

UPDATE: Apparently Nokia got in touch with WPCentral to issue a correction. Here is the actual transcript, as provided by Nokia.

Do you rule out 100% launching a smartphone based on Android in 2013?

Elop: So, the way I think about it is, in the current war on ecosystems, we are fighting with Windows Phone. That’s what we’re doing. Now, what we’re always doing is asking, how does that evolve? What’s next? What role does HTML5 play? What role does Android or other things play in the future? We’re looking further into the future, but it terms of what we’re bringing to market, and what we’re immediately focused on, we’re focused on Windows Phone.”

As you can see, it appears some parts were “lost” in translation. Sorry to disappoint everyone who wants to see a Nokia Nexus.

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  • Janne

    I think HTML5 has come out of Elop’s mouth many times enough (this is not the first time) that their future disruptions work probably has revolved somewhat around the concept that HTML5 may make platforms irrelevant. Seems like a long way off to me, though. HTML5 is nowhere near that yet.

    As for the Android concession, I wonder how much it had to do with the interviewer (Gizmodo) or genuine concern at Nokia that they may have to look at other options. Could be either way, I guess. If they have to look at other options, I doubt Elop will be looking at them, though. :)

    • http://aligonemobile.blogspot.com/ Aliqudsi

      Good point, if they were changing platforms (which they’re obviously not) Elop wouldn’t be calling the shots; what I’m thinking is an Android device once they’re back on their feet? perhaps once they reach their double digit goal.

      • Janne

        It has been my opinion for quite some time now that if Nokia can make Lumia somewhat sustainable, but not big enough, adding Android on the side would sound like something the board might consider. I think I called it the “Venla” line (just a name out of my head) last year, next to Asha and Lumia. I do think that move would likely include a change of CEO though, yes. And relly, as it should.

        (Unless the board and Elop are acting very much in unison on this and the assumption that Elop is just a transitional CEO – leaving in any case at some point – is wrong.)

        • swain

          The fact is that Nokia can never cross the 20% share(smartphones) barrier in foreseeable future if they stick with WP. WP was a big FAIL and almost DEAD before Nokia adopted it and gave it a life. Still I find it hard to agree that WP can ever attract a bigger share of customer. I must agree that the OS is silky smooth and fluid. But the UI has been rejected by even loyal Nokia users let alone iOS/Android users. Rather I(and hopefully many loyal customers) would prefer a squircle icon based UI(of meego) with fluidity(of WP) and rich functionality(of symbian).

          • http://europe.nokia.com/pureview steelicon

            “Rather I(and hopefully many loyal customers) would prefer a squircle icon based UI(of meego) with fluidity(of WP) and rich functionality(of symbian).”

            Nailed it to a T!!!

          • Bloob

            Ubuntu? :D

            • pathetic

              wrong, sailfish with swipe UI

      • nn

        Please, could someone enlighten what would be the logic behind it?

        I mean, Elop (and presumably board) are totally into WP and war of ecosystems, apparently so much they are willing to destroy whole company just to continue on the quest. And after they establish the said ecosystem, they just leave it for another ecosystem, which they just minute before was their arch enemy?

        What is then the point of the whole WP endeavour other than to help MS?

        • Janne

          nn:

          What is then the point of the whole WP endeavour other than to help MS?

          Ask Elop, not me. If I try to explain you’ll just think it is my opinion when it isn’t.

          I can understand why they did what they did, but I didn’t agree with it.

          Personally I have offered two alternative ideas during the past two years, for Feb11: Just replace MeeGo with Windows Phone and leave Symbian intact to protect existing business (and then dump Symbian more softly, because really, it had to go). Replacing MeeGo with WP in the dialog would have been far softer blow than replacing both Symbian and MeeGo in one go. I think I suggested this some year+ ago.

          Second was, dump Symbian and leave MeeGo running alongside as a low-cost hobby. That would have had good PR implications, although as a strategy it probably would have made less sense, but the Linux community would have embraced it and probably done much of the work for free.

          • nn

            This isn’t about WP itself, but about the “only WP” part. If anything is possible, why they don’t use alternative OS now (or rather year ago), when they clearly need it? Instead they are betting everything on WP, and after they finally have stable ecosystem they can grow, thus presumably don’t need other OS and can focus on WP, they will suddenly start using other OSes?

            Why they can’t use alternatives now, but four years later it’s possible? It just makes absolutely no sense.

            • Bloob

              I whole-heartedly agree that it seems odd, and especially keeping a small MeeGo-team (1-2 devices / year) would have been great.

              • mike

                ask your self sell 6 milion wp devices or 12 million android + ;)

        • Viipottaja

          They would not be leaving WP. They would add Android. But like Elop himself said, its just a possibility, not a plan.

          • swain

            How about a OS with squircle icon based UI(of meego) with fluidity(of WP) and rich functionality(of symbian). Why don’t Nokia develop such a OS. I am sure iOS/Android will look cheap in front of my dream OS. :)

            • Viipottaja

              Squircles are ugly, that’s why. :P [I actually do think Nokia’s squircle icons are looking a bit outdated now – but that’s just my opinion and could be helped with new icon designs within the shapes).

              On a more serious note, I guess that’s what the HTML5 dream/utopia could lead to? Also, combining the three (UI, UX/fluidity and functionality) is a lot harder than it sounds. Third, even those 3 combined do not _necessarily_ a successful/viable OS platform make. :)

              • swain

                Yeah…sometimes these squircles look less attractive. But that’s because of the 4×3 arrangement and low resolution screen. Think about a HD+ AMOLED and 6×4 arrangement of colorful squircles. The icons will simply pop out of the screen. It will be like icing on cake if they can make 3D Squircle icons.

                There will be nothing to hate if such a UI, UX and Functionality are combined.

                I am amazed just by thinking about such a OS.

                Yeah it’s a hard task. But I guess there are a lot of talented software engineers, designers and architects available who can make it possible in months. Again we have Agile-Scrum methodology to make it even faster.

              • MOOking

                Meego looks beautiful with 4×6

                5×6 would nicer and i guess on a little higher res

                • pathetic

                  yeeees ! and if you go to settings – device – screen -color- intense , even in the current screen of the N9 icons look beautiful

      • Sefriol

        I doubt that Nokia will go for Android. When HTML5 is ready it’s more likely that they go for a platform which is all around it like Mozilla OS or Tizen. With the latest support towards Mozilla, I think Nokia might have some plans for it.

    • Mariano

      I think is a good move for NOkia to add android as another model of smartphone, but Microsoft won’t let Nokia do that

    • xwy-15-j-697

      who the hell is this elop head of
      – nokia
      – … or micorsoft ecosystem

      whom should he care about nokia or microsoft shareholders

      … is is just a coincident that he is one of the biggest microsoft shareholder ?

  • readingintonothing

    he obviously meant getting Windows Phone in to Double figures as he mentioned the 2 rival OS’s as the competing ecosystems, this article something is out of nothing for hits

    • http://nokiahighdemand.blogspot.com/ Joseph

      yea thats right just look quote
      Today we are committed and satisfied with Microsoft, but anything is possible.

      • readingintonothing

        I was talking about the 2nd quote below which they interpreted to mean something it was not saying

        “I can’t give figures, but the first objective, without giving any dates, is getting a double-digit marketshare. Then, keep pushing and establish an equilibrium with the other two big ecosystems, Apple and Android.”

  • Zizou

    Well.. I’m fine with nokia going with android..but wat worries me most is the fact that if nokia does go with it then other android oems would vanish in no time..;) they’re just lucky!!!

    • Ruben

      yap, if nokia had android it would make samsung absolete.

      • Ruben

        Obsolete, lol

    • keist

      I doubt that unless Nokia can compete with Samsung on specifications race, i.e. more processor cores, which I doubt they can. Even back in Symbian days, Samsung Symbian phones were always ahead of Nokia when it comes to specifications. Nobody can compete with Samsung in Android.

      • keist

        Samsung makes the best Android phones.

        • twig

          64 cores like you can with Windows? Sammie is a piece of cheap plastic. When will Sammie have that 41mp camera again? Kind of old news for Nokia now.

    • http://Bob Bob

      Look at HTC. (Nokia could become just another Android pusher). Samsung already has the Android market.

  • Roger

    Riiiight, the guy has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he only has eye for MS/WP, we won’t ever be seeing something like that from Nokia, so long as he’s CEO.

    • Roger

      If ever he’s for “other” platforms, it’ll be something html5-based, but even that’s a crap shoot.

    • incognito

      … so long as he is the CEO… That ain’t gonna last that long as some people think, his incompetence (or malice, if you’re into `trojan` theory) is almost legendary by now.

      • Ere oli aliarvostettu

        It’s like one of these choices.

        Nokia was doing fine, hired Elop and then the sales collapsed because of the strategy change.

        Nokia was not doing fine, hired Elop and then they made the strategy change when the sales started to collapse.

        For some reason Nokia fans think it must the the first one. They don’t even consider the second option. Probably because Nokia is today a religious movement.

        The hard proof however suggest the second one.

        • incognito

          What hard proof? I haven’t seen any hard proof for any of those.

          Nokia was most certainly not fine before Elop arrived, OPK was rightly sacked for that (a year or two too late, if you ask me, but that’s a whole other story) – however, it wasn’t in as nearly dreadful situation as some want to picture it (they were profitable and miles away from the red zone, if nothing else). Elop was brought in to fix that (hence the significant stock price growth after his arrival, prior to revealing of his plan of shear lunacy) and instead he steered Nokia from a nasty case of flu into a deep coma.

          Elop didn’t stop the ‘illness’ within Nokia, he accelerated it so much that we now have to discuss whether Nokia could ever pull out or has the time come to pull the proverbial cord.

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            Really?

            Where is the hard proof that Elop accelerated Nokia’s downfall?

            Where is the proof that Nokia’s declining market share and declining profits were not going to decline more?

            Nokia made only a fraction of profits it used to make, in Q4 2010.

            Nokia lost the number one position in smartphone revenues already in 2009. They were losing positions really fast. Now where is the hard proof that this development was not going to continue?

            It’s just common sense that all this was going to continue if there was nothing to stop it.

            Elop is not the criminal. If someone is criminal, it’s those people claiming Elop about a collapse they can’t prove he was responsible for.

            OPK destroyed almost $20 from the stock price. How much did Elop destroy?

            • n9

              you just spill FUD.

              “OPK destroyed almost $20 from the stock price. How much did Elop destroy?” over how many years and representing what percentage?
              Elop did the same in just a few quarters…and then he did far worse.

              • Ere oli aliarvostettu

                Elop was trying to save Nokia after OPK started the fire.

                Maybe the task was too hard and Nokia was beyond repair? We don’t know yet.

                OPK destroyed more market value. Are you trying to deny that?

            • incognito

              Declining market share, sure, when you’re on the top the only way is towards the bottom. Their marketshare wasn’t declining even remotely as fast as what happened after Elop came out with the strategy that will ‘save’ Nokia, tho.

              As for profits, need I remind you that their smartphone department (or as they called them ‘converged devices’ back then) was always profitable under OPK. Always. Not a single quarter of loses from that department prior to the fateful strategy shift which, ironically, mostly affected the said, profitable department. Not a single quarter of profits from that department since then despite thousands people laid off and R&D expenses severely obliterated. Their sales and net sales, with the exception of 2010 Q1, were always on the rise, profits as well tho with far less growth (indicating problems with execution and organization). Here are some stats for Q1 2009 – Q1 2012 (source: Nokia).

              YY-QQ: | ASP (CHG %) | Sales ( CHG %) | Net S. (CHG%)

              09-Q1: €190 (-17.7%) | 13.7M (-09.2%) | 2.6B (-25.0%)
              09-Q2: €€181 (-04.7%) | 16.9M (+23.3%) | 3.1B (+19.2%)
              09-Q3: €190 (+05.0%) | 16.4M (-02.9%) | 3.1B ( ~ )
              09-Q4: €186 (-02.1%) | 20.8M (+26.8%) | 3.9B (+25.8%)
              10-Q1: €155 (-16.6%) | 21.5M (+03.4%) | 3.3B (-15.3%)
              10-Q2: €€143 (-07.7%) | 24.0M (+11.6%) | 3.4B (+03.0%)
              10-Q3: €133 (-07.0%) | 26.5M (+10.4%) | 3.5B (+02.9%)
              10-Q4: €156 (+17.3%) | 28.3M (+06.8%) | 4.4B (+25.7%)
              11-Q1: €147 (-05.8%) | 24.2M (-14.5%) | 3.5B (-20.5%)
              11-Q2: €142 (-03.4%) | 16.7M (-31.0%) | 2.4B (-31.4%)
              11-Q3: €131 (-07.7%) | 16.8M (+00.6%) | 2.2B (-08.3%)
              11-Q4: €140 (+06.9%) | 19.6M (+16.7%) | 2.7B (+22.7%)
              12-Q1: €142 (+01.4%) | 11.9M (-39.2%) | 1.7B (-37.0%)

              No, Nokia was not well in 2010, there were some serious problems that were lingering for far too long, but what came afterwards under the Elop’s stewardship is nothing short of disaster.

              • Ere oli aliarvostettu

                Just compare how much Nokia made profits in Q4 2007 and then how that collapsed in Q4 2010.

                OPK was destroying Nokia.

                • incognito

                  OPK was bleeding Nokia, Elop is the one who destroyed it (or for optimists on Nokia survival – who is destroying it). As for profits between 2007 and 2010 – if you look at the smartphone (converged devices) department stats – the drop in profitability was miniscule. Heck, Apple has bigger drop in profitability on the iPhone department than Nokia had in them years, luckily they’ve released the iPad line which gave them some new blood.

                  Nokia bleed with the acquisition of Navteq (severely overpriced, couple of billions lost there within a short few years), further investments in NSN (again a few billions over that time) and quite a large chunk of non-immediately returnable money went to R&D (need I remind you that Nokia had the biggest R&D department out of all tech companies in that time, they even dethroned Toyota in 2009 IIRC) leaving crumbles as profits – no wonder the stock price was dropping. Sure, their ASP in the smartphone department dropped as well, again – indicating that OPK is not doing his job well and, as I’ve said many times before, even before Elop arrived – they should’ve sacked his sorry ass in 2008, 2009 tops, alongside with a few of the top managerial staff as well. But Nokia was nowhere near in the dire situation some try to paint it to, usually US-centric media and bloggers who have no idea how big and powerful Nokia was.

                  OPK was a terrible CEO, what with pushing bean counters and internal competitions n’ all that idiocy – but even as such, his performance was tenfolds better than Elop’s. Now, if you can find just one stat by which a CEO performance can be measured in which Elop kicks OPK’s ass, I’d be eager to hear it. And please don’t make me defend OPK any further, in them days I shouted against his moronic decisions and shear incompetency much more than I ever did against Elop. I was actually cheering for the new guy… until he revealed his cards of shear lunacy.

                  • Ere oli aliarvostettu

                    Huge R&D means nothing if you don’t get anything out of it.

                    Luckily Nokia did but not that much.

                    Symbian was no longer a competitive product. That happened because of OPK.

                    Symbian was so bad that it actually lost market share even when Symbian^3 and N8 were released. It lost massive amounts of market share and you are blaming Elop for this?

                    Apple was more profitable in 2010 than it was in 2007. That’s what matters. Nokia was less profitable.

                    And no, Nokia was not that big. Apple was bigger in smartphones already in 2009. It made more revenues and more profits.

                    Nokia was starting to collapse already in 2009.

              • swain

                Agree.
                Until 2010-Q4, they were doing good if not great. But what came after that is ridiculous. It can be considered that Elop is responsible for this disaster as there is no evidence of such dramatic drop of sales in history of Nokia.

                • Ere oli aliarvostettu

                  Nokia’s revenues have been crashing before 2010.

                  Just look at what happened in Q4 2008.

                  Q4 2007 – 11141

                  Q4 2008 – 8141 (-27%)

                  This development continued for several quarters so it’s not just a problem from single quarter.

                  OPK started all this.

        • http://europe.nokia.com/pureview steelicon

          “It’s like one of these choices.

          Nokia was doing fine, hired Elop and then the sales collapsed because of the strategy change.

          Nokia was not doing fine, hired Elop and then they made the strategy change when the sales started to collapse.

          For some reason Nokia fans think it must the the first one. They don’t even consider the second option. Probably because Nokia is today a religious movement.

          The hard proof however suggest the second one.”

          There is a third scenario :

          Nokia was doing fine, hired Elop who issued the Burning Platform Memo implicitly stating that all current Nokia products are good for nothing (Ratner Effect) announcing a “better” replacement (Osborne Effect) that was out of sight for months (February to November 2011 when the first Microsoft device came out, then January 2012 shipping in volume) and then the sales collapsed because of the Burning Platform Memo (no one wanted to buy the inferior pre Microsoft products which were not available for almost a year from the Burning Platform Memo) and the strategy change.

          And even a fourth scenario :

          Nokia was not doing fine, hired Elop who issued the Burning Platform Memo implicitly stating that all current Nokia products are good for nothing (Ratner Effect) announcing a “better” replacement (Osborne Effect) that was out of sight for months (February to November 2011 when the first Microsoft device came out, then January 2012 shipping in volume) and then the sales collapsed because of the Burning Platform Memo (no one wanted to buy the inferior pre Microsoft products which were not available for almost a year from the Burning Platform Memo) and the strategy change.

          Elop made Nokia’s situation from BAD TO WORSE.

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            Not really.

            Elop was able to cut costs.

            Nokia was developing Symbian and that cost incredible amounts of money.

            Symbian was destined to fail because it was no longer competitive. It lagged and it was unreliable. Android was killing it in low end and Apple had the biggest revenues in smartphones already in 2009.

            Symbian was a dead end and Qt was never a real solution for applications for both Symbian and MeeGo.

            • correct

              Nice to see more Finns here with some sens, not like some of the cranky Meego and Symbian Finnish devs here that troll the comments simply because Symbian and Meego are gone.

              I totally agree, Nokia couldn`t survive with Symbian and Meego. Sprint just recently announced they are bringing WP devices in several months. This now means that EVERY major US carrier will support and sell Windows Phone devices. That would have been impossible with Meego and Symbian.

              Broad carrier support is required for any OS to become popular. Symbian carrier support was dying off, and there just wasn`t enough carrier support of Meego.

              Android got popular because Google flooded the market, and also because carriers loved and supported this move.

              Even iPhone initially had carrier support of AT&T at the beginning, and AT&T supported iPhone very well.

              • correct

                The irony now is that, carriers don`t like to be told what to do by Apple, and also carriers don`t like the huge influence Google has on the market now with Android.

                So many carriers want to support a third option, to bring more balance to the market. That`s why many carriers are now supporting Windows Phone. In these current times, Windows Phone was the wisest choice Nokia could have made.

                Many carriers are also planning to support Blackberry 10, but Blackberry may not survive, as their financial situation is a lot worse than Nokia`s.

  • meh

    Link to source?

    • http://aligonemobile.blogspot.com/ Aliqudsi

      Sorry forgot to add it, up now.

  • correct

    No no no! I think this “interview” is seriously misinterpreted. There is NO way Nokia would be seriously considering an Android phone. If Nokia, god forbid, ever released an Android phone then I would stop being a Nokia fan … FOREVER.

    Android phones are not products … YOU become the product with Android. That is not the philosophy and company mentality of Nokia. They do not consider their customers as the product. That is simply not the way Nokia does business.

    I cannot imagine in any way that Nokia would join Google’s evil empire.

    • MOOking

      i think they will move to android soon since they killed Nokia Maps.Nokia store is basically just ‘there’and WP isn’t making money FOR THEM….nokia has nothing except the name now Elop killed everything….they have no self titled services to get recognition from

    • keist

      99 percent of Android consumers don’t care about Google. The only thing they care about is how good, fast and fun to use Android is. We don’t care about the politics going on behind.

    • v.s.i

      You don’t have to be a part of Google to run Android or access the Play Store, unlike it has been mentioned earlier.

      > http://flyme.meizu.com/flysys/en/system.jsp
      > http://android-sale.com/oppo-find-5.html
      > http://www.nubia.cn/product/s327.html
      > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-hd-barnes-noble/1110060426
      > http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Fire-HD/dp/B0083PWAPW

      I’m not even counting the numberless Chinese knockoffs, just giving examples of devices with fairly positive consumer feedback that don’t ship with all Google services (e.g. Play Store), but which can be installed through an apk. Note that there also are Chinese manufacturers officially supporting the Play Store , which thus I have not listed (e.g. Xiaomi Mi2).

      There’s no need to use Google services as long as there’s the AOSP and they can be substituted for Nokia’s own.

      On the other hand HTML5 is IMHO, for now at least, an inferior experience compared to native, offline apps. Let us compare in the future the basic specs for a mobile OS to perform smoothly: Symbian, webOS, WP, Android, Harmattan, Sailfish, BB10, Firefox OS, Ubuntu, Tizen. Only then can clear conclusions be drawn.

      • Ere oli aliarvostettu

        Speculation.

        It’s possible that Nokia is working on Android spinoff not utilizing services from Google. That is, Nokia’s UI on top of Android core and every Google service replaced. Implementing something like this takes time so it’s possible that they had to take something else before this was completed.

        It would make sense because it’s cheaper than using MeeGo, it’s faster to implement and you get the software support.

        Actually using MeeGo would have been stupid. No applications, no Android compatibility and everything made by Nokia alone.

        • Dr.Smart

          Are you aware of the regions of Qt developers waiting for Meego to deliver? Elop waved them away.

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            Qt was not even a finished product on Symbian.

    • incognito

      Google, Microsoft, same steaming pile, different package.

    • n9

      so google is an evil empire? what does that make of Microsoft? Galactic Confederacy of Xenu?

  • Ali Abdulla

    well, if they shifted their focus to yet a new OS, that would be another stab to their consumers..

    maemo consumers felt betrayed.. symbian^3 consumers felt also betrayed.. meego(were warned, but u know).. and now windows phone?

    im not talking about support from nokia to those platforms.. but what it means to devs, when nokia is not focusing on that specific OS..

    i dont wanna enter a “yet another” dying OS :S.. he should make it clear…

    i had my share… webos included.. i dont wanna switch to andriod/iphone but this is getting sad.. if its remotely close to the truth :)

    i want that ecosystem he was boasting about for a year now… give me that ecosystem :@

    • MOOking

      wait for jolla or get a dual ore quad core android and install ubuntu Mobile on it ….it’s SUPER ATTRACTIVE and very different in UI nothing like the normal and boring shit for the past 5 years

      • pathetic

        swipe ui is better

    • Ere oli aliarvostettu

      Do you even understand what an ecosystem is?

      No, it’s not just apps or applications.

      • Ali Abdulla

        uhm yes i do, if u wanna talk bio/technical.. 3erd party apps play a significant role within the ecosystem… and any disturbance within the ecosystem, effects it, im not saying it will collapse , lol.. but u know

        anyhow, its obvious what i meant, u dont have to be literal.. :S..

        • Ere oli aliarvostettu

          Let’s be more specific.

          Do you even understand what is an ecosystem when we talk about mobile phones?

          Based on your answer I assume you don’t know.

          Interesting!

      • jiipee

        Have you read this? Eventhough it is hard to accept everything Risku writes, I like how he has very analytical view on different areas:

        http://abstractionshift.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/mobile-internet-ecosystems-apple-google-microsoft/

        • Ere oli aliarvostettu

          I’ve seen that, but I think he misses some very obvious points about ecosystems while he gets some of it.

          The most obvious problem with that analysis is the lack of basic concepts. He makes everything to seem too complicated and too, well, fragile?

          Overall he got the problem, but what disturbs me a bit is the complexity. An ecosystem is actually something very simple.

          if I have this, and get that, those two (whatever) work together. If I get this, I may get something nice if I see that when I go somewhere. Someone may make money because I buy something nice for my product and I can use that something with some another product.

          That’s how consumer feels the ecosystem. That something may be a cover, app, mouse, music or even an experience. Apps are just a small part of all that.

          It’s nice to have a product and talk with a stranger about how you use that product. The social aspect may be something very rewarding.

          Yes, this is very interesting subject. I really think Nokia is getting some of this with Asha. I don’t think they ever had anything else they were really pushing forward so well.

          • jiipee

            Asha is still too limited from ecosystem point of view. There are close to none accessories available for them, integration to internet services is less than midway. There is only a narrow selection of hw available for them (what Risku more or less calls as screen sizes). Do not get me wrong, I give Asha range high credit. Btw since you know the Iphone range better, which level do you think Asha has already reached functionality wise – maybe Iphone 2? According to friends of mine, the Iphone style multitasking should be rather easy to implement in S40.

            Agree you on making everything too complicated. Already his text is sometimes hard to understand, though hilarious at times.

            His TAIC model gets more and more valid each day when Google, Apple and MS and the rest (Facebook, Twitter etc) fight and limit availability to each others services and third parties.

            • Ere oli aliarvostettu

              Asha seems to have some social aspects of an ecosystem and there seems to be some software available for it. Not enough but some giving it real traction. It’s a good start, so we have to wait and see what is going to happen.

              I would say Asha is iPhone 1 on some level and iPhone 3GS for the best parts. It may be possible to implement iPhoneish multitasking or ‘multitasking’ for the device but making it really as good as the iPhone has, I don’t know if that’s possible. It could be possible if it would be limited to specific tasks. Or it could be something not so hard depending on how S40 implements everything.

              The iPhone was derived from an Unix core with full multitasking and the mobile multitasking was created with allowing coders to use few selected API calls when the app is not on foreground. Every app must implement some iPhone specific methods if the app is going to get to App Store. This is actually one the most important part of the iPhone experience. One of those methods is everything that happens when the user presses home button or something else (low battery, phone call, etc) happens. There is for example very limited time to execute the termination sequence and any application must be able to do that almost at any time. This is not something that’s not really and truly forced by the SDK but the app can’t pass Apple’s QA without that.

              There are reasons why all this must be done and the manufacturer just has to control everything to make the user experience possible. Actually this could be something Nokia just might use in S40 if they had a good plan for doing this.

  • Doug

    I want Nokia with Android, PureView and removable battery!

    • Ruben

      and i want an Alfa Romeo with a Mercedes Engine and Hummer wheels…

    • Gunnar

      i would buy two!
      Nokia with Android, PureView and removable battery!

  • ms.nokia

    nokia should make android/jolla devices once its agreement with ms is over.

    after the new windows ui hype dies down and nokia has regained market-share, it can relax its focus and start making devices for other platforms, more sales for nokia because of its hardware advantages and services,

    • jiipee

      Agree 100%. Hopefully they do it alongside and not make same communication mistake again ;)

      I believe, this is just contract negotiation tactics from Nokia. If the MS-Nokia base contract was for 2 years and options for longer, they might want to renegotiate some of the contract terms. The minimum license fee seems to be too high to the current level of sales (as they say platform support payment (1B) ~ minimum license fee, the per device rate is not very high).

      Too bad WP does not bring any synergies regarding code. I guess they would need to start everything from scratch regarding their apps.

      Android itself or tech where they could reuse Android hardware adaptation is a must, if they seriously want to grow with location platform. MS seems to have cooperation with Ford, but not much with others. And selling only mapping data is not enough for Nokia, they need to have deeper involvement.

      If they want to sit on the driver’s seat or at least on the front seat, they need to get new partners. Yahoo could be tricky since MS would hate the idea, Amazon could work, Nintendo are completely alone at the moment and will be in trouble, the net tv manufacturer alliance have no overlap with Nokia and they figth against Sony and Samsung, non-US internet companies etc.

      • nn

        The base deal is for 5 years.

        • jiipee

          Since they are talking solely on WP 7 there, it could be limited to WP7 life-span ;)

          The 15$ per device sounds legit, cannot comment the length.

    • Anders81

      To: ms.nokia

      Hold on your stocks and socks :)

    • Dr.Smart

      I think it’s time for you to ditch your stocks of Nokia.
      Elop is frigging talking about going for another OS, not because, as you hope, WP has captured enough market share but because it failed and there seems to be no prospect.

      • ms.nokia

        my stocks are in profit now, but i still wont sell them for a few years yet.
        anyways, i can’t find any other “tech” stock with the upside potential that nokia has.

        • Dr.Smart

          While it’s your finances, quite frankly, Nokia is being marginalized in the market. Smartphone market is heading to maturity where only 3 or 4 big players will dominate like most other markets plus bunch of regional players. And the bad news for you is that Nokia is not among the top 5, and probably not in top 10 at the end of this year in terms of smartphones alone. So maybe a better idea might be to short Nokia stocks.

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            Nokia was marginalized already in 2010 when the market share started to collapse.

            Nokia lost huge amount of market share in Q4 2010. Long before the strategy change.

            They had a bad product. Symbian was destined to fail.

            Nokia was losing market share.

  • http://europe.nokia.com/pureview steelicon

    OH LOL!!!

    Reading between the lines :

    It could also mean that Elop won’t have to be the one to implement Nokia’s alternative strategy, meaning to say he’d probably be fired, given the option to resign or given the option of early retirement.

    • swain

      You didn’t read “anything is possible”. lol :)

    • incognito

      His golden parachute is already packed, it’s only a matter of time when he’ll be nudged out of the Nokia airplane. Probably to the delight of both parties… The question remains if Nokia can be pulled out of the dead-spin Elop threw it into with a new pilot on the seat or if recovery is not possible anymore.

  • swain

    “Today we are committed and satisfied with Microsoft, but anything is possible.”

    Good Job sir. Finally something acceptable to wider user-base. Or, may be the sales figure of last 4 quarters made him to accept the reality.

    “I personally wouldn’t actually hate an Android Nokia, especially with the latest changes that have come with jelly bean”

    Ahh…something that’s not come from Ali very often. LoL :)

    • http://aligonemobile.blogspot.com/ Aliqudsi

      Hhaa honestly I don’t have much against Android, but I can’t stand Samsung (which basically represents 95% of android)

      • swain

        I too don’t like their cheap plastic. But the internals are always good. Hey why don’t you try Butterfly/DNA(may be as a secondary to 920). :)

        • http://aligonemobile.blogspot.com/ Aliqudsi

          I have considered it, the first android device to ever appeal to me was actually the OneX; the design was pretty hot; and the screen was one of the best at the time. But I’m also waiting to see what BB10 will bring (on the 30th)

          • swain

            Yeah…BB10 is a thing to watch. May be it’s good or bad but certainly it will decide the existence of RIM. Again no high hopes as they always disappoint with tiny battery, low specs and high price.

      • MOOking

        and i can’t stand nokia which is 90% of WP…your point ali ?

      • Ere oli aliarvostettu

        What’s wrong with Android?

        They have been copying Apple’s best ideas and delivering good products.

        • KeiZka

          Google is what’s wrong with Android…

        • correct

          What’s wrong with Android? Everything.

  • Peter L

    I thought Elop was supposed to be a MS trojan? :D

    • Peter L

      Now on a more serious tone,

      that was pretty standard CEO answer if you ask me.

      “We’re committed to our current strategy but anything is possible.”

      • http://twitter.com/haranguemnb Harangue

        Niether confirm nor deny, just let the stock markets speculate on what way it is supposed to go.

      • Dr.Smart

        Well, I think a CEO should be careful about what he says. If Elop has learned anything from the burning platform memo, he wouldn’t be making a remark that could be interpreted thousand ways and do his company harm. Quite the opposite, the nuance would be more deliberate to achieve some intentional effect (like warning MS or such).

        On the other hand, with Elop .. anything is possible I guess.

        • Mark

          Well I think you should read the actual translation and not a Google English-to-Spanish one.

          But that won’t stop you jumping to conclusions, will it?

          LOL!

    • Mariano

      me too

  • nn

    I think Elop is playing with fire here. The WP strategy from the start rests on only one thing – that WP is the only option, Nokia is unconditionally committed to WP no matter what happens, change is not possible under any circumstances. The second they will try to distance from that, their WP sales are going to drop to zero, because everyone will take it as admission of failure and will naturally expect Nokia will outright kill the WP train wreck soon after that.

    • Janne

      I agree that the comment seems a little miscalculated. Even if they were to do Android, you don’t hint it beforehand, you launch.

      That said, I doubt we’ll see an Android Nokia anytime soon. Not that I’d have anything against that. I just don’t think Elop meant it like that. Still, a careless comment to make.

      Adding further uncertainty to Nokia’s situation I don’t think is a good idea in any direction.

      • Bloob

        Totally agreed.

      • incognito

        Elop made another communication blunder? You don’t say? :D

        • Janne

          He made a major one on Feb11.

          But now it seems Gizmodo Espanjol and the Gizmodo mistranslated him twice… He didn’t even say the thing quoted?

          Pathetic if true. But that’s media for you.

          The statement here:

          http://www.wpcentral.com/stephen-elop-possibly-considering-android-were-skeptical

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            Are you sure Feb 11. was not something that was required so that Nokia could survive?

            Remember that Symbian was a religion and the Nokia sheep believed it was competitive against much stronger operating systems like iOS and Android.

            It is a shame that Symbian became a religion.

    • chfyfx

      agreed

    • swain

      I don’t think they will repeat the mistake of Feb-11. I am sure they won’t declare WP dead(as they did with Symbian) even though they adopt another OS.
      Making Android is less likely here. May be they will go for Mozilla OS as it has better html5 support.

      • Viipottaja

        They never declared Symbian dead – might be useful to go back to the Feb 11 transcript and Q&A session answers, as well as the Barcelona event transcript. :) Whether their actions were akin to declaring it dead is another matter and open to debate. :)

        Anyway, WP is where its at now.

        • jiipee

          They did say it was dead, if it was perceived as such. Just look at the news after the event and sales reps in stores. Too bad we dont have the sales order data from the weeks after the event and see what happened regarding order cancellations, returns, stock value rebates etc.

          One picture was enough:
          http://www.phonearena.com/image.php?m=Articles.Images&f=name&id=37473&name=rip-symbian-1.JPG&caption=&title=Image+from+%22Symbian+is+dead.+Long+live+Nokia+Windows+Phone%22&kw=&popup=1

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            The biggest issue resulting the death of Symbian was the truth.

            Nokia was finally very honest about Symbian. Elop just told us what the situation was and how well Symbian was performing. In Finland people like to say what they think and what’s really going on. Elop picked up this and told everyone the truth.

            This made people to understand that Symbian was destined to fail. No wonder people thought Nokia said it was dead. It was, but Symbian died already in 2009 or 2010.

            Symbian became terminally ill in January 9. 2007.

        • swain

          I agree. They never declared it as dead in front of media. But after the burning platform memo, it was widely believed in tech sites, blogs and customers that sooner or later it’s going to be dead. That’s the reason the symbian sales dropped dramatically.
          They would have adopted WP and continued symbian development at the same time. If necessary they had option to phase out symbian gradually over a period of 2-3 years without making such a buzz. That would have helped them in retaining a lot of loyal customers.

          • nn

            It was absolutely critical to kill Symbian (and MeeGo) and thus make clear that Nokia isn’t just another WP “partner” like Samsung or LG. Otherwise nobody would believe Nokia will keep pouring billions into the WP blackhole when they have alternative with far more success. It was either or situation, and once the public perception ball started rolling, there was no way back.

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu

            The burning platform Memo was hardly the reason for the collapse of sales.

            Remember that Symbian was already losing market share and this development just continued in Q2 2011.

  • MOOking

    WOOOOT JOLLA PHONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES……it has a hint of android in it ;)

  • correct

    If Elop (or any other Nokia CEO) makes the Android move, I will officially join the Elop haters group and also if another CEO does it, the hater group of that CEO.

    There is no way the board would take a move to Android seriously. Surely the board cannot be that naive?

  • Mac

    I’m thinking Ubuntu may be a better choice than android. The focus is there on HTML5 too and what they trying to achieve with that platform may be just what Nokia may be looking for. A big player like nokia can really disrupt with this and its probably more secure than android too.

    • Ere oli aliarvostettu

      I don’t understand this.

      Nokia fans are crying how Android’s Dalvik is not performing well enough.

      At the same time Nokia fans are yelling that they want to get HTML5 applications.

      Now what’s the deal with that? Dalvik performs better than HTML5 and it’s already portable just like HTML5 should be.

      • Bloob

        I agree, I don’t understand the HTML5 -love either. Ubuntu should be more about Qt though.

        • Ere oli aliarvostettu

          One reason I can think of is the hate towards Apple, Microsoft or some other company. HTML5 would make Apple’s apps obsolete if HTML5 worked just as well as apps. Well, not really but it would hurt them.

          This is something many people wish for. It was just yesterday when I was talking with one lead designer who was planning to evaluate HTML5 and that designer was really planning to replace all hardware dependent code with HTML5 if possible.

          I know that designer really hates Apple and doesn’t like Microsoft at all. This is something not so uncommon.

          I don’t really understand the benefits of Qt because it allows coders to use direct API calls bypassing the real Qt. This makes code to perform better but it also kills some of the portability. Java or Dalvik doesn’t have this problem or at least it’s not so big of a problem there.

          I have coded, few lines, and I think programmers must be forced to make good code. That’s one reason why we have some nasty stuff like encapsulation, preventing coders from doing whatever they want to do. Yes, you still can, I know.

          And yes. Most people probably disagree with me about all this.

          • incognito

            What does ‘bypassing the real Qt’ means? Qt is just a toolkit, it’s not a virtualized layer (tho it gives you some internal managing abilities) or anything of the sort that would need to be bypassed or whatever – you choose what will you use from the toolkit. You can do direct API calls from Java (Dalvik and JDK, both) if you want to as well, that’s what JNI is all about, but then the only advantage of Java goes down the sink. Neither in Java nor in Qt you have to call native APIs, tho.

            The difference? Qt compiles to native for any targeted supported platform, Java compiles to bytecode to be executed by a virtual machine. Qt does add a few layers for each supported platform to translate native API calls, but the rest of the code executes as close to the hardware as possible; Java, on the other hand, executes completely virtualized and everything has to be translated to ‘native’ on the runtime which is a huge performance hit.

            For the same generic task, Qt compiled app will execute quite faster and with fewer needed resources than Java app, and as a bonus Qt will give you far more options for optimization (where you can ‘bypass’ certain layers at the expense of portability, if needed). That’s the benefit.

            • Dr.Smart

              Why do you bother? Ere is not a developer and has rather a faint understanding of .. actually, almost everything ..

              • GordonH

                He’s high on mushrooms … it’s just his brains are too slow.

            • Ere oli aliarvostettu

              You said it.

              Qt application doesn’t have to be really compatible between platforms.

              That’s a huge flaw compared to Dalvik.

              That’s also one reason why Qt applications for Symbian were usually very hard to deploy to MeeGo.

              • incognito

                Haven’t you read anything I wrote?! Dalvik application doesn’t have to be really compatible between platforms as well. There is JNI, there is NDK, you can bypass the virtualization on Dalvik as well, and many of performance-crucial apps do, which makes them unavailable on different architectures until developers build explicitly for them. Dalvik holds no upper hand in this situation, in fact quite the opposite.

                And that’s not a reason why Qt applications for Symbian were usually very hard to deploy to MeeGo (not true, by the way – it’s the opposite situation that made huge problems). Qt for Symbian was not done well because Symbian guys insisted to keep, and rather force, some of the AVKON craziness alongside with insisting not to change the underlying APIs to make the platform interoperability easier – all resulting in having to call specific Symbian APIs directly for many things on Symbian instead of relying on the Qt toolkit; and as a result deploying an app built for Maemo/MeeGo to Symbian, which needs some specific hardware or internal API access, was a major PITA. Not to mention that there were problems on the other side as well, what with adaptation layers first for Hildon, then overlays for MeeGo, then… None of which are a problem with the Qt itself, but rather with Nokia and how they chose to execute on it. Once again, execution was, and is still the biggest problem with Nokia. They have no direction, no real vision, and the communication between departments is lackluster at best – making the whole of Nokia poorly organized and with a little to show at the end of the day.

                Please, don’t try to discuss the things you have only heard over the interwebs spewed by equally uninformed people. Makes your ‘arguments’ look silly.

                • Ere oli aliarvostettu

                  Maybe you just don’t want to understand.

                  Of course any application on any platform can be implemented in a way that makes it incompatible on some level. Please don’t try to think everything as black or white.

                  This is not so easy/usual/common/whatever when the code runs on Dalvik.

                  With Qt it’s very tempting to use some native API. It’s actually quite easy.

                  Bytecode is not processor dependent. Native code is.

                  Just try to learn the basics before complaining. That makes your arguments very unbalanced if you don’t.

                  • incognito

                    Me to learn the basics? I’ve been in this industry (mobile development) for some 15+ years. You, on the other hand, obviously wouldn’t recognize what development is even if it bites you in the arse.

                    I apologize to other participants in this discussion for wasting their time to read my attempts to enlighten Ere oli aliarvostettu. I’m not really in the habit of lengthy discussions with people who have no clue what they are talking about, especially not the ones who heard a word here and there and suddenly believe they know something about the subject in question and are qualified to discuss the finer points of the said thing. I won’t repeat that mistake again.

                    You, sir, have a nice day. You won’t be seeing me reply to your ignorant ramblings for as long as they stay as such.

                    • Ere oli aliarvostettu

                      Yes, you may be just arrogant.

                      I’ve been working with many arrogant developers who thought they had all the answers.

                      I know how even Nokia had very good developers working for them in the MeeGo team. Unfortunately some of those developers were extremely arrogant people. Unable to see anything but the solution(s) they considered as the best approaches.

                      It is a huge mistake to hire people like those and it may be one of the reasons why Nokia failed to deliver on time.

                      Yes, time will tell if you can keep your word and stop replying to me.

                • correct

                  You want to know what the real problem was you Qt troll? All these cranky Symbian, Meego, and Qt devs, mostly Finnish devs, that couldn’t agree on anything!

                  So what Elop did was a wise move, getting rid of all this cranky nonsense, cutting away this nonsense. Now Nokia is leaner, and able to fast-track decisions, and have more agreement. Now they don’t have this silly problem because devs support either S40 on the low end, and Windows Phone on the high end. Simple.

      • incognito

        HTML5 is just a buzzword to lull the laypeople into believing there is something magical which will solve all the technology problems out there. I thought the fad around it passed in 2010, but now with Tizen behind the corner and efforts from Mozilla and the likes, people are bringing it back as the unexpected force which shows up and solves all the life problems…

        As long as we rely on the current battery tech, and that will last for quite some time, adding even more software layers between applications and the actual hardware is a stupid move destined for failure. Maybe we’ll be able to virtualize/interpret anything one day, but that day is not even on the horizon. Even Android is trying to bring in more native approach, yet there are people who think that HTML5 will be the next best thing…

        And let’s not even get into Javascript inefficiencies and deep structural problems which makes it a major PITA for anything more complex than a simple data presentation. It is, unfortunately, too big to fail now, but if HTML5 / Javascript was to appear today as a new technology, no sane person would spend a second look on it… As much as I hate to say it, I’d take Dalvik/Java any day over HTML5/Javascript for anything even remotely complex.

        • n9

          you guys should read incognito’s posts and learn something.

        • GordonH

          Well said incognito. Now if only the crowd around here should read your comment ;-)

        • correct

          Screw HTML5 and screw Android especially!

  • Hodna

    Good. Samsung is quite successful using both OSes and altho Nokia has set itself as the leader in Win8, it is clear MS is keeping their options open by making their own devices now. Adding Android can only help their #s as long as they make some decent phones.

    Now bring back Symbian for low end phones, please. Cover all your bases.

  • Chockolde

    Dear Mr Elop! After killed Symbian, after killed MeeGo, after killed Meltemi, after denyed Android and after {everything} about Windows – you just dare to say something “anything is possible”? This shows how deply customers begging for MeeGo/Symbian/Meltemi were not treated seriously IMHO, just like that. Sems there windows are burning perhaps………

  • Lago

    Who knows, maybe Nokia are using Jolla and Sailfish as a front to keep developing MeeGo while they’re supposed to be working only on Windows Phone, and when they’re back on their feet, they’ll just buy Jolla and make it a part of Nokia. Jolla is composed of Nokia ex-employees, after all. Not that I wouldn’t like it, but this story seems more believeable than Nokia going for Android after this whole affair with Microsoft without burning some bridges.

    • incognito

      Since I know a couple of guys in Jolla, trust me – they’d rather stick a fork in their eyes than have Nokia as their employer ever again.

      • Pramtaramtika

        I don’t know what, but something makes me to belevie you – this can be a kind of shadow of Mr Elop, just a kind of fear… ugly evil…

        • James

          Errr….

          “What you say, make your time, somebody set us up the bomb, all your base are belong to us!”

      • correct

        Those cranky ex-Symbian and ex-Meego devs can stay at Jolla. Unfortunately, many of them caused nothing but headaches and disagreement at Nokia. Too many egos, instead of actually being in agreement and allowing Nokia to be more competitive.

        • Wilton

          Utterly clueless, it’s “very well” doco’d how bloated middle management was far more of the problem than devs.

  • Sam

    I think Google should show the finger to Nokia this time if they come to them again.
    This will be all over it again, they first went to Google, wanted to use their services(then Ovi maps) but Google refused to make those changes for them(Google maps).
    Plus, if they make android they have to pay to Msft.

  • Tetlee

    Is Elop finally starting to realise there are people out there that have been long time Nokia fans, but don’t actually like or wish to use WP?

    • dss

      Just like some of won’t touch android… so I guess offering both platforms will work for him ..

      • Gunnar

        i agree, if you are not producing your own OS, than why limit yourself to only one OS and a crappy one at that.

  • nn

    There are other interesting bits in the original El País story (google translate, feel free to correct):

    But we are calm because we have launched the only Windows Phone differentiated. Others have supply and standard hardware, but our skills in photography and software show that we have a privileged relationship with Microsoft.

    So what you see now is result of the special differentiation partnership, don’t expect much more?

    If the store devoted one minute to explain the differences to the client, the story changes. Photos in low light, motion video, only available on Nokia applications, like Vista Urbana, ability to use the screen with gloves, she read in full sunlight … are advantages matter much to consumers.

    Blame retail staff? I can’t see how WP can succeed if Elop still needs 20 minute session to explain the phone to customers.

    In previous releases we chose a wide and rapid distribution. That forces you to allocate your marketing budget too by country. This time rather focus on specific countries to gain initial traction and then expand to the rest.

    So yes, we no longer have the money to do wide launches.

    P. The terminal will cost 669 euros in Spain, like the iPhone 5, but the brand Nokia still has the same pull. The HTC Galaxy S3 8X or are cheaper. Are they out of money?

    A. The market will decide, but in Spain, the price is due to the decision not to subsidize operators phones. In the U.S. the consumer pays $ 99 for the Lumia 920 and AT & T signed a contract for two years with 4G connection. If not here decide subsidize operators, we have to do things differently.

    Q. Google is subsidizing and selling outright mobile Nexus 4 for only 299 euros.

    A. Because we believe we have the best options otherwise to highlight the value of the terminal. When we look at the figures and accounts, is the best option for us.

    If I understand it correctly, at least in Spain carriers refused to sell and subsidize Lumias.

    • Bloob

      They don’t seem to be subsidizing any phone in Spain, according to that.

    • twig

      In order to do wide launches, you need the production ability for a huge hit the 920 seems to be. Apple had,has the same problem as does Sammie,etc. You don’t know how fast it will sell until it does. You can’t keep doing launches when your backorders are holding back new launch product. Google is losing money on Android phones but make it on the advertising dollar which is now being attacked by Facebook, Amazon,etc. New article on zerohedge say Apple stock price may be $50 by 16 as Apple continues to fail to innovate. Some German carriers didn’t want to sell the 920 as did Sprint in the U.S. but because of customer demand, will now.

  • http://fakeprofiles.tumblr.com/ Fake

    I hate ANDROID

    • twig

      So do I.

  • http://www.jolla.com xerxes2

    They better hurry because here in Sweden the national television network (SVT) doesn’t support WP8 which means that it’s virtually impossible to sell WP based phones in big numbers here. And Google not supporting WP is not helping either. WP is a dead end for Nokia, literally, and Nokia will not live through five years of WP only strategy.

    • twig

      I want whatever makes Nokia money. Show me the money Nokia.

      Does Sweden’s national television network work on a Win8 computer? Or Xbox? I see Microsoft just announced they are getting into t.v. programming. They bought their own studio for t.v. shows. I didn’t see that coming.

      • http://www.jolla.com xerxes2

        It still supports flash but on mobile it’s html5 only with som features that WP8 doesn’t support.

  • jammy

    Accordig to my opinion, Nokia will never go for Android on it’s handset, if they want alternative platform alongwith WP, then they will look for three options Mozilla’s OS, Ubuntu mobile OS, And WebOS…… All three being opensource and based on Linux, will give nokia room for customisation upto their satisfation…… And above all, these three platforms still need year or two to mature into good product, and by time Nokia’s exclusive deal with Microsoft will also be coming to end, so they can straight away jump for any of the three platform, without any fear of litigations from Microsoft………. Tizen is never possibility for Nokia, as it’s developed by rival Samsung, but Meego based Jolla sailfish is disctinct possibility, and I have a feeling that sailfish is being developed under the supervision and backing of Nokia, to act as a backup product………….. But let’s see what future brings for us, as these are just my personal assumption, and Nokia might be having some other plans already in place……..