Poll: Where do you see Nokia moving in the next couple months
Having read the memo supposedly written by Nokia CEO Stephen Elop and the strong language used to describe Nokia’s current efforts (Symbian & Ovi) as well as their foreseeable releases (MeeGo) in addition to numerous hints of adopting other “Ecosystems”, we felt it important to gauge the responses and preferences of our readers who almost unanimously Nokia fans and users of their devices and current “ecosystems”.
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Their credibility had gone zero to me, the promise aren’t really promise.
They are like,
‘We will use Maemo for the future high end device.’
‘hmm.. we will use Symbian for the year to come instead.’
‘we will upgrade symbian to symbian^3 and symbian^4 and go on.’
‘err.. no. Let’s make it just Symbian.’
‘they doesn’t seems to like our Symbian. Let’s make Meego and ditch Maemo.’
‘Well, it seems that we are slow. Let’s get our ass on WP7 or Android?’
Are they kids playing around with promise-less promise?
But Maemo is still there and it will be inside Meego…
Nokia will make them compatible, meaning that you can upgrade from Maemo to Meego and applications will stay as well…
It is still different.
I remember when Nokia launches N900 they promise that portrait UI will be launch as firmware soon but as it turns out it will never arrive. And again they made a blank promise. Official Meego support on N900 is still a question rather than statement.
Their consumer are always the victim in strategic change.
Seriously. if Nokia develop and adopt Maeno as their manstream OS since the launch of N900, the history of mobile phone could have been rewritten. They were too late and Android had grown too much.
I truly hope Meego is powerful enough to turn the table in this multi million dollar game.
Hmmm, I can tell the things promised for N900 will come true. If you don’t believe me, just wait and see …
Very interesting.. in particular, as I don’t they’ve promised much at all for the N900. :p
I would be super happy if an official modification of Meego was provided for the N900, but I am 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that will not happen. As a community project, perhaps.
Doesn’t need modification for Meego. Don’t want to explain it now, otherwise, too much leak…
Btw, I have been following this blog for only like half a year.. Who is Alex68 actually? Are you a Nokia employee?
@alex68, without revealing anything specific or giving any details, when would be your guess that something happens that most will consider good or great news?
After Friday?
After MWC?
After Q1?
Later?
Developing for Maemo is a bit hard, just like developing for desktop Linux. You have to learn a lot of libraries and code in C, which is not well suited for high level programming.
In comparison, Apple and Google have a unified development platform which makes it easy to develop “apps” and deploy them to devices.
Nokia had to fix this issue and they did that with Qt. Maemo + Qt = MeeGo.
I don’t understand all these “it’s too late” statements. Apple came very late to the smartphone market, when there were millions of applications written for Pocket PC and Symbian. Yet they managed to get a respectable share of the market. Same thing for Google. I don’t see people in the USA dropping Android in mass to switch to MeeGo. I do see a very attractive platform for geeks (which often counsel other people when it’s time to buy a new phone) and many people outside the USA buying MeeGo phones because of the trust they have in the Nokia brand and discovering MeeGo after that.
Well, the Qt thing has been here for quite awhile but it’s mostly blank talk and not much of application is written in Qt.
On the upside, those which are written in Qt are actually pretty good looking (Such as the utterly useful Dukto), neat and useful. Not to say the latest app that enable Android apps to run on non-Android application which can actually expand the apps count of Nokia phone by a margin. (What if Nokia buy them and put them as in-house development? Woohoo!) I hope that it will work on my Symbian^1 running C6-00 though.
Back to the topic, we will see how the ‘big thing’ turned out on 11 February.
Actually it’s surprisingly easy to develop for the N900 nowadays, using (only) the Nokia Qt SDK.
No “obscure C” libraries, but the same good old Qt. Deploy and debug over wlan, all integrated from the UI. I was very impressed.
It’s actually all coming together really nicely, it would be foolish to ditch it all now. Qt is a great platform.
(Hmm, Qt is a platform.. hmm.. hmm.. hmm.. … think about that
I really want to stay loyal to nokia but if they join android they might not have enough to differentiate themselves…My first choice would still be nokia if Elop is the mad man he appears to be and ditches symbian or puts meego on life support…I am both scared and angry at the prospect…How i wish this wasn’t happening.
I totally agree. Nokia has differentiated themselves from all the rest. From what i see, they wont ditch their 2 bloodlines but may just adopt another just to take the fight to the others homeground. Once their playing on their turf they would then slowly rope in their homebrewed os’s with all the bells and wistles coupled with a superb interface based on Qt. That would make sense coupling that to the fact that they would have a base there to deal easily with devs from that market and for easier liasing with them. The relationships would then strengthen and people would buy in to the products much easier due to nokias presence in the country. People like an american company, well nokia having a camp based in America only adds to their economic growth and infrastructure. Now couple that with Americans being employed there would only begin to change the perception of people on nokia and they’d buy into the nokia products. So its not all doom and gloom but i get your point. It really hurts to see what others complacency and lack of vision has done to such a strong company such as nokia. It has to happen but what, we’d have to wait and see in the next few days. I hope Elop gets it right but i hope he does it quickly.
before nokia dies
please reduce the price of flagship phones by 80 percent
You make no sense at all. Go check eBay on 2013, I think you’ll find the current flagship phones with 80% off the original price
Nokia will gain nothing by using WP7, only Microsoft. Nokia will gain nothing by using Android, only Google.
Stick with Qt meego and/or symbian with ovi.
Well, I think it ain’t so black and white, I think Nokia would gain a lot with WP7, if they integrated their own components to the OS. Just imagine, WP7 is in a early stage, all the other manufacturers’ devices are almost identical. Then comes Nokia with it’s own WP7 device, and thanks to close cooperation with Microsoft, there would be Qt, Ovi Maps and other on board. Those features combined with the super sexy UI of WP7 would be awesome! Of course the hardware should be up to date, high-res display, HDMI, next-generation CPU and GPU…
I simply can’t wait what Nokia has to offer on the weekend. I’m hoping for MeeGo devices (like all of us), but I would also embrace Nokia WP7 devices
Qt can’t mix with WP7. Qt is a full C++, native framework, while WP7 is a .NET, virtual machine framework.
A composition of the two, while technically possible, would be a true monster and serve no useful purpose as Qt and .NET offer pretty much the same services to the programmer.
Yay, thanks for the info, I’m not so familiar with different frameworks and how they work together
Would have been cool nevertheless, if Qt apps would run on Symbian, MeeGo and WP7. A win-win situation to both Nokia and Microsoft, I’d say.
AFAIK, Windows Phone 7 still has good old Windows Mobile under the hood. And .NET is not native platform but runs on top of WinMo (more specifically, Silverlight and XNA runtime .NET assemblies). Qt has already been ported to WinMo.
Mixing managed/unmanaged code is completely possible and actually frequent in the desktop world as one tends to mix native DLL’s with C#. Just take a look at GPU stuff and you know what I mean.
the poll is a bit iffy.
Drop nokia because they abandon Symbian/MeeGo? Who else has Symbian/Meego? I haven’t seen a MeeGo device in action either. I think the Nokia hardware makes me bye Nokia phones.
why cant nokia be a bit more patient until new symbian ui is out and meego phone hit the shelf
Because Elop only reads Engadget and not Mynokiablog
where is the like button when we need it the most
Google’s Android is not a valid choice, IMO. They can’t use IOS which is seriously looking outdated as well now.
They have a huge base with OVI, they are just too slow, far far too slow and integrating it and creating a tight nit ecosystem.
Get frigging MeeGo out NOW like by April, keep the devices churning out, get Ovi to a decent level, if they have to scrap Symbian^3 and plonk it on all the feature phones.
YES, indeed they are just 2 slow.
followed their NITs, n770,n800,n810,n900
again and again they missed the promised dates.
missed the most important xmas sales in the states.
(by postponing their promised dates)
they just have to make a great phone (seen the aava things were impressing, where nok is not),
introduce and almost immediate deliver (learn from apple)
Really? You’ve seen every prototype from Nokia thus far? How do we know there aren’t any “surprise surprise” phones? I mean, we know maybe *some* specs of an upcoming MeeGo phone, but no sightings -at all-.
Need I remind you that a French industry security company ranked Nokia to be a top notch when it comes to security in R&D?
there is no such thing as nokia fans if nokia ditch symbian and meego
palm fans and ios fans
I can’t understand why people use Android or iOS if their wishes is have some features that symbian always have and i’m not only talk about copy & paste!
who is going to make symbian phone if not nokia?
or meego phone?
well, I heard japan has S^2 phones
and a dual sim s60vf qwerty is gonna be launched in India.
yeah dual-sim would be great. they are severely lacking that market. being in belgium and often abroad, it would stop me from flipping sim cards and/or carrying more phones
forgot to add that the s60 3rd dual sim qwerty in India isn’t made by nokia.
Honestly I am not worried about them jumping to another OS. I see them sticking to their guns Symbian and Meego for as long as they can.
That should hopefully bring success but you never know maybe it will not work out , but at least i would respect them for trying to do their own thing in the smartphone world and giving it a go.
I have seen other companies i really liked have to leave the marketplace or scale back even after really good products (Amiga/commodore , sega)
I just hope Nokia really try to do their own thing , as they can bring alot more to the market then , just making phones for other OS like HTC and Samsung.
But i guess only time will tell what the future holds !
when u are the CEO of multinational company its not easy to move the company from down to up side.
Its the CEO ability which can take the company to new success level or can doom the company.
A good CEO is one who has patience,maintain his intellectual,insightful,acumen behaviour during the bad phase of company.
in case of elop,he is bit shake by the hype created around nokia by techies and now little bit in fear.
ELOP MUST STICK TO HIS MAIN DECISION OF CONTINUING THE DEVELOPMENT OF SYMBIAN AND MEEGO.
As NOKIA HAS SPENT HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THESE PLATFORM and differentiate from others is the quality of Nokia.
JOINING ANDROID/WP7 AND MANUFACTURING THESE DEVICE WILL NOT BE A GOOD IDEA IN LONG RUN except in north america.
~at lower end they should release symbian handset s60v3.2 in$100 and upto $200 to boost up sales
~s60v5 handset from $150 to $250
~release s40 handset starting from $20 to $60.
~release s40 touch device from $90 to $150
~release s^3 handset from $300 to $500
~meego from $500 to $700.
SYMBIAN IS NOT A PROBLEM BUT THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT OF SYMBIAN TOOK PLACE AFTER 2008 IS A LIKE A TORTOISE GAIT.
There is an internal problem in planning,executing,and marketing the symbian OS as it was foundation before NOV 2010.
Elop must warn or fire the executives who are just walking as a tortoise.
S^3 could have been released in JAN 2010 and S^4 at the end of NOV 2010.
S^3 was to be dominant platform in 2010 in nokia plans and s^4 in mid end and MEEGO at other end in 2011
But they r too late in execution.
THIS LAZINESS HAS COST NOKIA A HEFTY PRICE BY LOOSING THE MARKET SHARE MARGINALLY.
how nokia can choose WP7 phone over symbian^3 when we KNOW THAT NOKIA SELLS 5 MILLION S^3 DEVICE IN CONTRAST TO 1.5 MILLION WP7 DEVICES.
WP7 WEAKNESS OVER S^3
~NO copy paste
~no gpu
~not ui os
~below par web
~poor hardware
~no hdmi,no usb otg,no dolby etc
~poor app. Store
HOW CAN ELOP CHOOSE WP7 OVER S^3.
ITS A BULLCRAP.
…
- NO security
- mail service download gigabytes of data without the user knowing
But hey, if the Americans like it, let Nokia sell WP7 devices, as long as they keep developing MeeGo devices for the rest of us
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Personally, I think they should radically streamline their portfolio.
4 or 5 Feature phones (MAX).
3 or 4 Smart Phones
1 or 2 Super Phones.
Super phones = Meego, one touch, one with keyboard.
Smart Phones = the old E series and C series merged into one line, couple of candybar style with keyboards and a couple of touch ones.
Feature Phones, concentrate on markets such as India, mass appeal etc… there’s still a market for these. Put Symbian^3 on everything bar MeeGo devices, therefore every product in the range is ‘Smart’.
Ovi services are kind of where they should have been 2 years ago. It’s heading in the right direction, keep the app’s coming and make it more tightly integrated. Make the music store better!
Ovi Maps — keep them as they are!
social networking — this hasn’t been done good on symbian^3, make it killer.
Accessories…… this is where Apple is king, get a ecosystem of accessories from other manufacturers, team up with crappy electronics companies like Denon to deliver video streaming, audio streaming etc. etc. Get into the car market, they showed off Terminal Mode… MAKE IT HAPPEN FFS! Partner with the big euro names like BMW, VAG, FIAT.
Don’t give people a choice, lure them in from other channels, what’s what Apple has been doing.
They cut their new phone announcement from about 45 in 2009 to 21 in 2010. They may cut it a bit more, but perhap not quite as drastically as you suggest, in particular if one counts regional and carrier variants.
No, no, no. Just keep churning out massive amounts of models. That’s what they are good at. Don’t forget Nokia operates globally. Every market has different demands. Making just 20 to 30 phones a year is far too little.
The former number of 45 makes far more sense for a company like Nokia. Look at Samsung, they made like 15 different models based on the Galaxy S platform alone. It doesn’t have to be such a big cost to make that ammount of devices. Just differentiate with some factors and you have a very decent portfolio.
But never ever should they minimize their portfolio, unless they want to be dead before the world ends like the Mayans said.
If you ask me, they can make all the WP7, Android, whatever else devices they want, as long as they keep the one MeeGo.
Then, everyone who prefers a shitty OS or can’t live without 50,000 apps can still get good Nokia hardware, Nokia makes profits and I have my MeeGo device.
+1 same here
my strategy for Nokia in 2011.
~release “5 dual sim s40″ handset for africa and poor countries for $20 to $40 to remain in market
~release “6 s40v6″ featurephone handset for india,china,gulf countries,african countries etc for $90 to $100 featuring 3mp,usb charging,2.4 inch screen etc to break the spine of chinese and samsung phones.
~release “6 s40v6″ touch handset for same countries for $90 to $130 with 3mp cam,usb charging otg ,16 gbetc
~release “6 including mass market target qwerty s60v3.2″ device namely C/X series smartphones for $150 to $200.
~release “3 qwerty based handset of ESERIES” for $250 to $300 with wifi N and HSPA AND HSPDA,5mp camera etc.
~release “5 s60v5″ touch handset for $160 to $200 with 5MP AND TV OUT feature.
~release “8 highend smartphones s^3″ touchscreen C/X/E handset for $300 to $500 with 8mp AF camera,usb otg and charging,32 gb,gpu,hdmi,400mb ram,800mhz cpu etc.
~release “3phone in each quarter on MEEGO N-SERIES” handset for $600 with 8/12mp camera,4 inch screen,100mp/s GPU,48GB MEMORY,DUAL CPU,1GB RAM.etc for developed countries and then for developing nations.
~continue ovi maps even in s40v6 handset also.
~release app and games with QT only.
~continue ovi store and attract more games,app and set target to achieve 8million download/day.
~SET TARGET OF SELLING “600MILLION”(18% HIGHER THAN 2010 OF 453 MILLION) HANDSET OUT OF WHICH “50MILLION” SHOULD BE SMARTPHONES.
SO TOTAL OF “43 HANDSET” IN ONE YEAR TO BREAK SAMSUNG AND CHINESE PHONES.
If you read the memo u can see that Elop sees whats happening at the moment. There development is to slow next to the competitors. And thats the main problem. Because S^3 is fine, works great but its like 6 months behind 2.3 or iOS4.
I think its a smart move to adopt an ecosystem for a this time.
Example, Nokia adopts Android and they make a few phones with Android. And it sells like hell, whats wrong with that?
Nokia can put all there services in Android, like the Ovi Store, Ovi Maps, Ovi Messaging just like what HTC does, they have HTC Sence…
And next to that keep developing Meego, when that is finnished bring that out. Then u will have Meego & Android.
Next question will be, what to do with Symbian?
Keep developing Symbian, and move that to the E & C series.
The main picture will be then:
C series: Symbian
E series: Symbian
N series: Android
X series: Sybian
S series: Meego
And after a few time u can see what the best ecosymtem is. If its Meego & Symbian, drop Android of if its Symbian & Android drop Meego.
Nokia have to adopt a ecosymtem for now (maybe just temporary) the can them out of the fire…
Of this were to happen than it would have had to have started at least 9 months ago if they were ever thinking of bringing Nokia Android to market in 2011.
Don’t forget how much effort it takes to make their services work with Android, let alone get the permission from El Goog.
I’m not saying it’s a bad choice, but the logistics behind such a move would take drastic changes, major investments and a fair bit of time.
So unless this has already been started in early 2010 it won’t happen this year.
if meego and symbian is ditched, and move to android and wp7
how easy it is to be nokia new ceo!
I get your point then maybe we don’t need the CEO.
I think the WP7 rumor if true is going to be only for the mid-range american market, but everyone is hearing it as either/or due to some moron’s who call themselves analysts but actually have no idea.
why join WP7 WHEN IT JUST SELLS ONLY 1.5 MILLION IN CONTRAST TO 5 MILLION S^3 HANDSETS.
Its still in a nascent stage.
NOKIA CHAIRMAN,MD, AND OTHER TOP EXECUTIVE WILL NOT PASS THE DECISION OF JOINING WP7 EXCEPT FOR USA .
SYMBIAN AND MEEGO SHOULD NOT BE DITCH FROM ECOSYSTEM OTHERWISE THE COMPANY WILL BE ON SALE.
ELOP IS NOT A INSIGHTFUL CEO.
ITS A STRANGE THAT why nokia didnt choose TOMI HONEN AS ITS CEO IN 2010??
He is acumen,insightful person.
Nokia should call back TOMI TO PUT NOKIA ON RIGHT PATH.
Tomi Ahonen does have good insight to Nokia, but even he is painfully old-fashioned in some ways.
Here is my 5 cents
The agreement is for Meego’s sake,
Nokia propobly wants to make sure everything is there from the get go.
And the only Compony with a complete ecosystem is Microsoft; therefore the agreement will revolve over some Microsoft services:
Zune – Nokia failed with Xpress music, no time to build another one.
Xbox live – Nokia failed with Ngage, no time to build another one.
Office – Agreement is already there for Symbian.
Email – Agreement is already there Symbian.
Social – Agreement is already there Symbian.
Bing – This is the most important part for Microsoft and a very big hit for Google.
Hardware – an agreement to build a phone for Microsoft at the time of Mango’s release (Microsoft and Nokia go)
European Mobile Carriers Pray That Nokia Will Not Pick Android As Its Operating System.
READ THIS ARTICLE-
http://symbian-freak.com/news/011/02/european_mobile_carriers_hope_nokia_will_avoids_android.htm
key notes-
~According to a report by the Financial Times, Vodafone, Telefonica, and France Telecom are afraid of the growing iPhone and Android duopoly, the site reports. These operators feel that were Nokia to adopt Android, it would further polarize the Apple-Google duopoly that is forming. They are concerned that Apple and Google will consume and own the market.
~Europe has generally been far more sensitive than America about concentrated market power, especially when it comes to American technology companies. Last year, Microsoft was forced to implement a browser choice screen for European users after the Norwegian browser maker Opera complained that Internet Explorer was anti-competitive.
~It’ s not a huge surprise then to learn that European carriers are worried about the iPhone and Android ruling the market. If Nokia went with Windows Phone 7 instead, the Euro smartphone market will be more balanced in terms of platforms.
“especially when it comes to American technology companies”
what’s with the persecution complex, poor american tech companies.
Anyway, any takers Nokia nudged this sudden press release a bit?
What I’ve noticed is that good phones launched not that long ago, but now forgotten and supeceded, never fulfilled their potential. Even when the OS was S60 3rd edition. Some nice apps work beautifully, The Trainline is a good example. We’ve got lost somewhere trying to be the latest and greatest.
the touchscreen era (2007-present) got em lost.
I think you can use simple ideas to great success, using what you’ve already got. Such as combining a number pad with a touch screen is a niche that no one else is doing. It would enhance existing Symbian phones in an instant.
Nokia just need 2 stick with their Symbian & Meego,with Qt they have all the power.
They need 2 release their phones faster,close 2 announcement,
Forget about WP7 or Adroid,they’re just too weak.