Do you see anything positive about #NokMsft in 2011?

| February 12, 2011 | 154 Replies

Hi there, folks. Its me again. Have been very silent due to various things, one of them being all these rumors surrounding the Capital markets day, and we all know how that went for us, Nokia fans. Shocking is an understatement.

" I control you! "

Yes, the above image is the echoing sentiment across many Nokia/Symbian/Meego fans.Honestly,I had been searching for answers yesterday, on how this news can be even remotely positive for Nokia. I had read so much on the interwebz about this, and one, Scobleizer’s post ,( in which he called Nokia fans nuts ) seemed to stand out in seeing some positivity regarding this whole Nokrosoft thing, but the positive was more for microsoft than Nokia. Let me explain a bit about the partnership Nokia and Microsoft are in. It is not exclusive , they are more like ” sex buddies “. I think you can imagine why i would say that. Nokia is allowed to innovate in Windows phone, meaning it has the power to fiddle around with the OS, but note that elop said he wouldn’t want to tinker with the UI. So, will Nokia add lacking features like these ? :

× no system-wide file manager × no Bluetooth file transfers × no USB mass storage mode × no Flash (nor Silverlight) support in the browser × too dependent on Zune software for file management and syncing × no video calls × new ringtones available only through Marketplace × music player lacks equalizer presets × no multitasking × no copy/paste × no DivX/XviD video support (automatic transcoding provided by Zune software) × Bing maps doesn’t have free Navigation ( This is where Nokia ADDS value ) × no internet tethering support × no handwriting recognition support

As you can see, there are a lot of advancements needed for Windows phone 7 .Apart from the snazzy UI, browser and some 8k apps in marketplace , the OS is not featured, and definitely lacks so much. It’s like the first iPhone from 2007 . And even if Nokia adds these features, which are already present in Symbian/Meego, (which they have to, in order to be competitive) It will be available for other OEMs to use too. So, again Microsoft is the winner.

What Microsoft gained : Extreme global reach i.e entry into markets where Microsoft would have never even imagined, Best mapping solution, Hardware expertise, awesome supply chain, services like operator billing .. etc

What Microsoft lost : NOTHING

What Nokia gained : A decent touchscreen OS that is said to be very competitive in user experience, a decent app marketplace that is easy to develop for . A big entry into the U.S market and high visibility in the U.S media.

What Nokia lost : 16% of stock price,Ovi and the whole Symbian community’s mind share,  Intel’s confidence as a partner( Meego is pushed to a corner for experimentation in market disruption ) , Qt’s cross platform technologies ( which still has a role to play as Jay outlines it) etc..

Pretty big things from Nokia have been sacrificed and Microsoft has not only gained so much ,but lost literally nothing. But we should also note that Nokia’s efforts for software are indeed zero hereafter, that’s a positive and a negative to take note of.

Nokia have given the time frame for the first Windows phones to be 2012, in volumes. So, you may start seeing devices in late 2011. They still plan to ship 150 million Symbian devices, and launch 1 meego device as a part of experimentation. Do you see the greatness ? Roadmap says Nokia will develop devices for a dying platform, will develop only one device for an once exciting platform, while patiently waiting for the Windows phone to hopefully mature and then launch in late 2011 or early 2012.

I still don’t get how people are going to buy Nokia’s smart devices in 2011. Sorry, i don’t see anything positive this year. Hopefully it may bear fruit in 2012 with a new or several Windows Phone versions with all the above lacking features included for Nokia hardware, but for now, nothing seems good.I know, people will be skeptic of me calling Symbian, a dying platform, but they are in denial. Meego, it had to come, it will still come , but will it make us buy a platform which is uncertain of it’s future ? 150 million Symbian smartphones in the transition period to WindowsPhone ? How are people going to buy an ecosystem with nil future support ? I say, the number is too much of an exaggeration.Overall, i am very worried for Nokia in 2011.

I will leave you on that thought, there is so much explaining left for Elop. He is having a keynote session at MWC alongside Steve Ballmer and also remember that there is a Nokia event at 5 PM U.K time tomorrow.

P.S : Would like to hear what you guys say about this. Do you see anything positive ?

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  1. Andy says:

    i can’t find anything positive to say about this partnership with Microsoft. last year they announced a partnership with intel to do meego and yet we still don’t have anything on the market so whats to say this is going to be any different and if wp7 doesn’t have the things you said above things like a file manager, Bluetooth transfer, usb otg which i love in my N8 or multi-tasking i think this a step backwards not forwards and i wont be buying another Nokia phone which will be a shame cause I’ve always had Nokia phone’s so in 12 months time when it’s time for me to upgrade I’ll be doing what i said I’d never do and look at buying a apple or android phone

    • rebelng says:

      I’ld sasy this once again. Nokia did not sign up to make wp7 devices. They entered a strategic partnership to create a universal ecosystem. that means, they would be working with microsoft to create the ultimate os. Did you see any mention of wp7 in the address? All that was said was windows phone.

  2. gordonH says:

    got this guy commenting on a blog shows how Mr. elop fucked macromedia
    “Unfortunately, I think the reason Mr. Elop wants to move Meego to R&D is because if he kills it dead then the next logical step is to sell the R&D to another manufacturer, and he doesn’t want that because it would offer too much of a competitor to the proposed Nokia Windows phone. It’s a bit like how he sidelined Director at Macromedia after Adobe purchased it; if he had sold Director it would have been a direct competitor to Flash so it was easier to push this mature product back into R&D where it has quietly died (see for more details)

    I feel truly sorry for you, and I hope the Nokia board have the balls to tell Elop to take his cuckoo egg and go back to Microsoft.

    Al Reynoldsdid”

    • Stoli89 says:

      I’m sure both Ballmer and Elop want Nokia to maintain some control over Meego…it remains a key threat to Microsoft’s long term platform strategy.

  3. Coyote says:

    Okay, I’ll bite.

    First off: Symbian fans would have had reason to hate the future no matter what. Nokia’s plan as of last year was pushing Symbian down to lower-end phones and replacing it with MeeGo. Anyone remember the “Carbon” strategy Apple had a decade ago in getting Mac OS developers to switch to OS X by giving them an API which would let them recompile apps rather than extensively rewrite them? Ring any bells with Qt? Thing is, that was a transition for Apple–don’t imagine Nokia intended Symbian to stick around indefinitely, either. What they announced is what they were *always* planning for Symbian–the big change is what’s happened to MeeGo. Hang onto that thought.

    Second: yes, Nokia is the #1 mobile maker with a bullet and they lead by huge margins in certain markets. But for the last two years, in nearly every market that lead has been eroding. The pace of the erosion has been accelerating. This is not just in smartphones, it’s in mobile phones, period. Nokia’s previous management had been, well, following the advice I see here a lot: ignore Android and iPhone as toys, treat the North American market as irrelevant, and count on that huge lead to last while they got their crap together. Here’s the problem. Yes, every single “bullet point” feature the iPhone had existed on some Nokia gadget that the Finns have been using since, I don’t know, 1963. Whatever. The iPhone still changed the smartphone market completely. Beating the iPhone on bullet points is not the same as beating the iPhone on user experience. Nokia management didn’t get that. Nokia engineers didn’t get that. Stephen Elop? He got that.

    So: MeeGo. There seems to be an implicit assumption with many fans here that the N9 and other MeeGo phones were almost ready for production and would take the world by storm when they came out. Nokia’s back, baby! Leaving everybody in the dust!

    Crazy thought: what if that assumption is wrong? What if, in fact, Elop has spent the time since he’s been at Nokia measuring the progress on MeeGo and determining that it was *not* anywhere near the level it needed to be at to replace Symbian? Not to put too fine a point on it, but… what if Stephen Elop knows more about the state of development at Nokia than you guys do? I’m pretty sure he knows more about it than *I* do. And it seems like it’s quite plausible that he had to make a judgement call: if he honestly, truly, didn’t believe that the future course Nokia had set out for itself before he got there was going to produce good enough fruit in short enough time, what does he do? Nokia had already released more than one “flagship” device, including the N8, that showed a clear gap between what the product could have been and what the product actually was. If that happened to the N9…

    So Elop did the seemingly unthinkable: he chose to go with an external OS. But one that’s been getting mostly positive reviews, is said to have a great user experience, and–importantly–has a “mind share” seemingly greater than its market share, which is the inverse of what Nokia has. WP7 phones are so far not huge hits, but this is a bet that Nokia’s design teams can make ones that are. Given that even people who don’t particularly like the N8′s software have raved about its industrial design, this may not be that far-fetched.

    Sure, Windows Phone 7 seems a weird choice. As recently as two months ago I (somewhat loudly) doubted whether Nokia would ever want to go “outside” for a new OS. And if they did, I figured it would be Android, because Android is closer to MeeGo than WP7 is and would be much easier to bring Qt and the whole Ovi ecosystem to. (Think of a Nokia phone that could use both the Android Marketplace *and* the Ovi Store.) But again, let’s assume that just maybe Elop is not a moron, and that he really does think he can make Nokia phones that stand out from the competition by using WP7 in a way that he couldn’t with Android. The fact that WP7 is currently in that odd state of being a critical success but a commercial question-mark might just be seen as an advantage rather than a liability.

    Lastly: yes, there are a lot of things WP7 can’t do now. But fer goodness’ sake, everybody who wants to bash the iPhone tends to bash it based on a snapshot of the way it is at that moment in time, and this is always stupid. iOS 4.2 is very different from iPhone OS 1.0. Likewise, things WP7 doesn’t have now may well be things that it’s going to get.

    So: yes, I see potential positives here. Nokia has to have a Windows Phone 7 phone ship sooner rather than later, though–2012 isn’t going to cut it–and their first batch of announced WP7 phones needs at least one model that hits it out of the park.

    • Syed says:

      I agree with your points.
      Also those ‘missing’ features will be added to wp7 sooner rather than later. If I’m not wrong MS is to unveil an update to wp7 in MWC which will include copy paste amongst others and nokia can modify wp to add features it desires! So all is not lost, most people just thinking emotionally rather than from business perspective!
      And we’ll see first fruit of this partnership around nokia world in september.
      At mwc they’ll just do more talk and perhaps announce some symbian devices like e6,x7 etc. symbian stand will showcase pr2.0 fw like a quick video just like last year where they showed symbian^3 video.
      Just my opinion based on the info i’ve picked up from tech sites along with some other sources :)

      • SGean says:

        Sure, all is not lost for WP7. But nokia has effectively lost a huge chunk of its supporters by anouncing the death of Symbian.. ..and QT?

        • michele says:

          If the deal with Microsoft don’t go smoothly & build a future 4 Nokia. Mr Elop might be the person who single handedly killed Nokia.Coz they have no viable OS to fall back to, after pulling the lifeline off QT/Meego..

      • Mark says:

        I think you have it right. I also think MeeGo (or hopefully Maemo – they need to take it in house) will form the basis of Nokia’s next in house OS in the same way Bada has for Samsung.

        If Elop is independent then I’m sure he’s looked at Samsung’s model, realised that an external next gen OS is the best option for sales and survival but will keep his ace in the hole so they’re not completely dependent on MS.

    • Nt says:

      I think the problem for a lot of Nokia fans is not the fact that Nokia is going to use WP7. I think some of them even welcome it’s addition deep down.

      But the problem is that Symbian/Meego/Qt thing is being (going to be) killed in the process even though we all know Nokia can sustain multiple OSs much like Samsung(Bada/Android/misc in Corby series featurephones, etc). And most Nokia fans do believe (and there is reason to)that Microsoft(Elop) will dictate everything in Nokia from now on.

      HTC makes WP7 phones but did not give that much to Microsoft if any at all.

      I do think there is really one way to fix this. Continue with WP7 if they want in the USA and Symbian/Meego outside. But the fact that Microsoft will not allow that is already proof that they are the boss. HTC can even make Android and WP7 without any pressure. Microsoft wants that 30%+ share that Symbian has transferred to WP7 and in order to do it, kill Symbian.

      • HVD says:

        Do you honestly believe just because WP7 branded under Nokia name will earn them the 30% market share?? I seriously doubt it..

    • Shmerl says:

      Positive reviews? From whom? WP7 is a crippled and low quality OS.

    • Average Joe says:

      “First off: Symbian fans would have had reason to hate the future no matter what. Nokia’s plan as of last year was pushing Symbian down to lower-end phones and replacing it with MeeGo.”

      The point is that Nokia fans don’t care about the particular OS. Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo, even S40 had in common the spirit of Nokia. I won’t put a list of Nokia’s unique features in this post not to make it too long, you can read them in many other posts: what’s important is that Nokia OSes were different, all of them. WP7 is no different, now Nokia phones are equal to HTC or LG phones. Which were available even before, so Nokia users gain nothing, but lose something.

      “Second: yes, Nokia is the #1 mobile maker with a bullet and they lead by huge margins in certain markets. But for the last two years, in nearly every market that lead has been eroding.”

      That’s inevitable, when there are more choices, the market shares get slimmer. It’s true for iOs too. And it’s a good thing for users, because competition makes products better.
      Nokia had a clear strategy to remain competitive: MeeGo on the high end, Symbian on the low end, Qt on both of them. Which was clearly starting to get momentum. They trashed this strategy overnight and with it any credibility they had with both users and developers.
      And what’s their new strategy? WP7 on the very high end, we-dont-know-what on the low end, vapour and buzzwords (ecosystem, disruption, innovation) everywhere.
      Also, by following your reasoning about market share, they would have just committed suicide, since they chose the OS with the smallest market share and with no signs of growth.

      “What if, in fact, Elop has spent the time since he’s been at Nokia measuring the progress on MeeGo and determining that it was *not* anywhere near the level it needed to be at to replace Symbian?”

      You’ll have to admit that this is fud. Nokia already released tons of devices based on Maemo, which is very close to MeeGo. Their ability to bring Linux into a marketable state is out of question. Even if MeeGo was to be delayed by a couple of months, which is probably true, they still had Symbian to hold in the meanwhile, which with the N8 had just demonstrated of being able to make huge sales. In particular, sales extremely bigger than WP7.
      Moreover, a deal like this one isn’t decided overnight. It must have taken a lot of time for both companies’ internal teams to evaluate such a decision. Elop has been in Nokia for a few months, so you decide how soon he had decided to drop MeeGo/Symbian/Qt/Ovi/current Nokia users/current Nokia developers in the recycle bin.

      “But again, let’s assume that just maybe Elop is not a moron,”

      No, I’m sure he’s very clever instead.

      “and that he really does think he can make Nokia phones that stand out from the competition by using WP7 in a way that he couldn’t with Android.”

      This is still vapour at the present time. They’ve already said that they’re slashing R&D investments. Moreover, manufacturers are free to apply whatever modifications they want to Android, and in fact that’s what they all have been doing (not that users have been particularly fond of such modifications). Microsoft so far doesn’t allow that on WP7, and if Nokia were to be the only one allowed to make such modifications, then they would be in a worse position than they are now: all other manufacturers, feeling the competitive handicap, would drop WP7 (well, the few who haven’t already done it, given its underwhelming sales), and Nokia would be the only ones shipping WP7. That is, the same position as they are now, but with an OS they no longer control. Worse, that is controlled by the most unreliable, monopolist company.

      “Lastly: yes, there are a lot of things WP7 can’t do now. But fer goodness’ sake, everybody who wants to bash the iPhone tends to bash it based on a snapshot of the way it is at that moment in time, and this is always stupid.”

      Why? I buy a phone to use it now, not a promise of future improvements. Android users have become well aware of that.

      “iOS 4.2 is very different from iPhone OS 1.0.”

      It’s still an extremely expensive icons grid that only works when connected to the Internet, with very limited interoperability options, and with its software tightly controlled by a dictatorial entity which even imposes a *moral* control over what you can install on your phone.

      “Likewise, things WP7 doesn’t have now may well be things that it’s going to get.”

      The same is true for Symbian, Meego, even S40. With the difference that they already have more features. So I consider this vapour again.

      • Average Joe says:

        I would like to add that I really hope that Nokia will improve WP7 and make it appeal to more people. Because I reckon that there are a lot of exceptional people working at Nokia and I don’t want them to lose their jobs.

        Moreover, I’m still looking forward to Nokia’s “hobby” MeeGo phone (yes I know, it’s like waiting for Godot, but whatever :D ).

        It’s just that I personally lost my faith in their management, and for sure I’m not interested in WP7 phones, so to me the forced equation Nokia == WP7 means no more Nokias for the time being.

      • alex68 says:

        This is VERY TRUE

        If Nokia were to be the only one allowed to make such modifications, then they would be in a worse position than they are now: all other manufacturers, feeling the competitive handicap, would drop WP7 (well, the few who haven’t already done it, given its underwhelming sales), and Nokia would be the only ones shipping WP7. That is, the same position as they are now, but with an OS they no longer control. Worse, that is controlled by the most unreliable, monopolist company.

        That’s why I don’t see any real good value for Nokia in this MS deal.

        • Guest says:

          Nokia will modificate WP7:

          “Nokia’s partnership with Microsoft, overall, to strengthen Nokia’s finances going forward.

          It said Nokia’s Chief Financial Officer Timo Ihamuotila during the company’s strategic and financial update in London on Friday.

          A strong differentiation of Nokia phones with Windows Phone operating system, compared to other manufacturers, combined with a stronger combined service offering will enhance the company’s revenue, he argued.

          “Nokia phones will offer an exclusive experience of Windows Phone”, promised Timo Ihamuotila.

          Royalty payments to Microsoft will affect Nokia’s gross margin negative, while costs of sales and marketing, and research and development, will be reduced thanks to the cooperation, forecast Nokia’s chief financial officer.”

          What other think:

          “The ambition to build a strong ecosystem of Windows Phone received positive from other phone manufacturers that use the operating system, and several new elements that Nokia is contributing to the Windows Phone, other manufacturers as a whole.

          It said Nokia CEO Stephen Elop during the company’s strategic and financial update in London on Friday.

          “I have spoken with the other manufacturers who use Windows Phone and they’d love to see what they can contribute to building a strong ecosystem around Windows Phone. Some parts of what we contribute, for example in navigation services, will also be able to use themselves of, “he explained.”

          Navigon for all it seems, Nokia has sold its soul for peanuts :(

      • Coyote says:

        @Average Joe: A very well-considered response.

        I know you think it’s FUD to allege that MeeGo wasn’t production ready; I can only say that I think you’re way too quick to let both Intel and pre-Elop management off the hook. *Maemo* was production ready, but Moblin not so much, and big chunks of MeeGo are from Intel’s baby. If they’d stuck with Maemo 6, the N9 would probably be on stage at MWC right now. I am trying to delicately dance around “inside” information; just say the media reports over the last year about MeeGo devices repeatedly missing internal deadlines were not pulled out of thin air. If “Nokia as we know it” has been killed, MeeGo deserves a good portion of the blame.

        “By following your reasoning about market share, they would have just committed suicide, since they chose the OS with the smallest market share and with no signs of growth.”

        Oh yeah? Oh yeah? *cough* Yeah, that scenario has occurred to me, too. I rose to the challenge of the original post’s “say something positive about this,” but I do think this is a decision fraught with peril. If I ran the zoo and came to the same “MeeGo is NoGo” conclusion, I would have likely gone with Android, bringing Qt, the new UI and the existing Ovi ecosystem with it along with opening up the world of the Android Marketplace. I think I understand Elop’s rationale for not doing so (which I could probaly blather on about at length), but I’m not sure I agree with it.

        You point out that Nokia is slashing R&D budgets, but I suspect they aren’t going to slash hardware nearly as much as software. Nokia’s engineering culture has always been more hardware-driven (something I’d argue has in no small part led them to this point). It seems clear that their strategy going forward is to make the WP7 phones that most people want to buy because of their industrial design, and possibly because of software customizations. Will this work? I don’t know. I wouldn’t bet on it — but I wouldn’t bet against it, either. It’s certainly what Android manufacturers are trying — the Motorola Droid X and the Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) are not the same phone with a different nameplate stuck on them. I think Nokia has to be allowed to make a little software customization that remains unique to them, but a WP7 phone with an N8 case would stand out from the crowd pretty markedly. Maybe you personally wouldn’t buy it, and I’m not sure I would, either, but the important question is whether more people would buy it than a Symbian-based N8.

        My point about not bashing phones based on a snapshot of a moment in time isn’t that you should be buying phones with the assumption they’ll improve over time — it’s that WP7 as it exists now may not be WP7 as it exists on a phone released nine months from now. As for iOS being an “expensive icons grid that only works when connected to the internet,” well, we’ll agree to disagree, as I don’t want to get too off-topic. Just say that I use iOS devices off the internet a lot and they seem to work just fine, and “expensive” gets into arguments about whether to count carrier subsidies, the correct answer always being “the one that makes the phone I like look cheaper.” :)

    • napier says:

      WP7 came on on several high-spec devices from a number of manufacturers in accordance with Microsoft’s specifications. It had a massive marketing campaign. And still they managed to sell one-third of what two Symbian^3 devices sold in less time. So WP7 does not have market share, or what ever the hell “mindshare” is. At least not more than Symbian^3. And it sure as hell does not have more apps, or “ecosystem”
      In terms of UI, the two most widely reported complaints against the N8 (primarily in the US tech media) was that the browser was outdated, and there was no portrait qwerty. These are to be fixed shortly.
      So what is Symbian lacking in terms of UI? Its as fast as most other phones out there on a slower processor. WP7 on the other hand lacks serious functionality: Bluetooth, tethering, mass storage capability, file management. These seem much harder to fix than UI issues. In fact it will take years for WP7 to catch up in functionality.
      Now Nokia has ceded its independence, and has to compete against HTC and LG etc., in supplying WP7 phones. When WP7 fails (as is likely, given previous Microsoft forays into the mobile arena) Nokia has nothing to fall back on. NO OS, no services. They will need to start from scratch again. They will be bought out by Microsoft next year.

      • Coyote says:

        “Mindshare” is probably Silicon Valley speak, sorry. :) Basically, it’s what the developers and media are interested in, because they tend to be leading indicators of where the market is going. We can all find exceptions to that, obviously, but as a general rule it tends to hold true — platform that get developers excited are platforms that tend to do well. iOS is a great example of that: there are valid criticisms to be made of both the technical aspects of iOS and Apple’s… let’s say “idiosyncratic” approach to controlling the platform, but the vast majority of developers working with iOS enjoy working with it. Windows Phone 7 has less interest than iOS and Android, but more than Symbian and MeeGo.

        As for what Symbian is lacking in the UI… gosh, that’s really a whole other can of worms. There’s something user experience (UX) designers call “friction,” which is a somewhat subjective measure of how hard it is to do a given task. Symbian^3 can be fairly high friction. The UI is not always responsive, it is not always consistent between applications (Symbian apps, Qt apps, WRT apps, and Qt/WRT apps all look and behave a little differently), and sometimes the applications just aren’t very attractive. It took longer to open and read new mail on my N8 than it did on my iPhone. Just by a second or two, to be sure, but that adds up.

        In UX design you always have to make tradeoffs. Sometimes you can make 80% of what you want to do with a given UI really easy, at the expense of making the other 20% a pain in the butt. Power users tend to really hate those designs, because to them it makes more sense that everything is about equally difficult: they’ll look at a UI that does the 80/20 tradeoff and say, “It only takes me one more click to do that 80% than it does you, and it takes me two or three less clicks to do the powerful stuff.” They’re right, but in practice the UI with the 80/20 tradeoff is nearly always more efficient because users are doing the easy stuff 80% of the time.

        In point of fact, I’d argue that adding Bluetooth, mass storage, and tethering are a lot *easier* than good UX design. Those are all, as they say, solved engineering problems. You’ll notice I left “file management” from your list off, though — file management is a UX problem. You could do file management on a phone the same way you do on a desktop, navigating through folders, but is it actually what you want to do? Apple’s iOS appears to have no file management at all, but within limits it’s actually much easier to find the documents you want using its paradigm than clicking through folders on a phone. But the limits of iOS’s app-centric paradigm really, really suck when you hit them. I don’t think anybody’s got this right yet.

        As for your last paragraph — well, that’s the big pitfall, isn’t it? I don’t expect Nokia to be bought out by Microsoft; that’s a lot easier said than done for a variety of reasons. But Microsoft changing their mind two years from now and throwing in the towel on WP7 is something Nokia really does have to worry about. I think they’re keeping MeeGo alive, even if it’s in “pet R&D project” mode now, specifically because they need a backup plan.

    • Mac says:

      Nice! Very insightfull! I can throw my 2 cents worth for every point but I’m not going to. I’m tired of that. Just to make 1 point is that Meego isnt dead but been relegated to the back burners and classified as the probable ‘next disruption’ to the market. Nokia will still have interest in the os, but when they have the time and people to support it. Maybe he’d allocate the very same 3 engineers that he had working on its ui all these months while we all thought it was a whole lot of guys working on the ui all this while. That should gather some quick momentum like before, shouldnt it!?!

      • Coyote says:

        Heh. I’m still not sure about that “three engineers” comment I’ve seen. I hope they’re three really great user experience designers. :)

        But yes, you’re right. I’m down on MeeGo because of its incessant delays — as I said elsewhere, I think if they’d stuck with Maemo things might have been very different right now — but long-term I think Nokia needs MeeGo to be a viable platform. Even if WP7 works out for them it may not be a good tablet OS, and if WP7 doesn’t work out, Nokia can’t let themselves be left holding an empty bag.

    • VV says:

      I agree 100% with what you said above.I love Nokia and I don’t see this alliance as a tragedy.Personally I would’ve liked it better with the initial strategy of going ahead with Symbian mid to low end and Meego high end.But this Microsoft thing might be ok too.No multitasking is a serious no-no for me though and I hope they get that straightened out.Most of us love Nokia smartphones not just for the great hardware but also for the multitasking abilities.I also think Meego should be way more important for their future plans than it appears to be now.Will certainly keep my eye on Nokia’s Meego device this year even if it’s a one time thing.Hopefully Elop knows what he’s doing and has Nokia’s best interest at heart.In the end it’s just a company people so let’s just chill out a bit. Respect!

  4. Prodigy Viisto says:

    I think Nokia did one freakn’ great move

  5. GS65 says:

    No, nothing positive for me. This is just a Microsoft shareholders thing! Elop is a large shareholder in MS (, and large investors probably think that their investments in MS will reach higher by stepping on Nokias crippled body than their Nokia investments would in a Symbian/MeeGo world. For the Nokia we liked, it’s the end. For open source it’s a major blow. For lovers of Microsoft I think it is fantastic. Microsoft in this blow steals Ovi, Ovi maps, a network of manufacturing and operators, knowledge how to reach lower end customers and developing countries and gets the best engineering for hardware. Microsoft will swallow Nokia, and they will be able to make fantastic phones on their ugly platform. I think that if you listen to Elop when he was talking to the press, he wasn’t really talking to about Nokia, but directly to MS investors. He mentions again and again how much MS will benefit from this.

    Hopefully the bright minds of Nokia will leave and start something new. I want to see a Linux phone and tablet hopefully soon. An even better dream would be that Jorma Ollila somehow masterminds this, haha, and next months or so Elop is gone and we have a deal with Android as well and Qt will work on Android, WP7, MeeGo and Symbian. No, just joking, nothing good in this deal for ANYONE that is not a shareholder or lover of MS (do they exist?) Sadly it is Android for me now, but I will buy a MeeGo phone directly, by any maker, if released.

    • Don says:

      Ollila? You can thank him for destroying Nokia. Both the bureaucratic mess it’s in, and giving it away for free to Microsoft.

  6. Shmerl says:

    Nothing positive IMO. Anything touched by MS simply becomes polluted. And when it’s such a big involvement – it means bye bye Nokia. I hope Intel will continue with Meego even with Nokia’s betrayal.

  7. peter says:

    Now. I’m like a cukecold man. I hope nokia will fall down. Simply. I can’t accept that they accept this deal with the devil. Samsung galaxy s2 seems to be a good smartphone. There is nothing positive about this deal. Nothing fot nokia but for microsoft is great: they bought nokia for nothing!!!

  8. mja says:

    Death of symbian was inevitable (last generation OS that couldn’t really be transformed into a next generation one). What hits me the most is killing MeeGo. Had Nokia partnered with Android (I hate Android but many would have loved the idea) Google probably couldn’t have forced them to drop MeeGo. MeeSad.

  9. visitor says:

    I understand, a lot of you are disappointed and angry to the bone because of the happenings in the last days. I feel like this, too.
    I said it elsewhere: it’s kind of sad, good old days are over – but Elop is right. His job is to keep Nokia alive. Let’s be honest, Symbian incl. S3 cannot compete to other mobile OSes since a long time anymore and developers fade away, anyway. MeeGo, very promising, is lightyears away from now and, that’s important, has ZERO Eco-System. The effort to bring it on a level which is comparable to iOS or Android or even S3 is HUUUGE and the question still remains if it’s worth to invest all resources for a ‘NewBe’. For my person, I own a C6-01 and I’m very happy with it – but I’m really more excited about a Windows Phone from Nokia. If Nokia can deal out some exclusives to individualise the OS, like implementing USB-OTG or other Nokia-Features like a File-Manager a.o., it would be a great thing. And if you keep in mind what Android manages to become in only 2 years, what are Nokia and Microsoft together are capable to do ??? They only need to throw it all together and add some bits and pieces. The prospects are gigantic. I wonder if we will see new Nokia-Hardware tomorrow at MWC which hopefully will prove my dreams.

    • Shmerl says:

      If Android could become what it is in 2 years, why did Nokia procrastinate with Maemo all this time? Meego can become even better and even faster. MS didn’t want that to happen. Linux haunts them like a nightmare. So I guess they are very happy that they ruined Meego’s advance. And Nokia fell to be the tool of the evil empire.

      • visitor says:

        How do you you know ? Did you ever tried Meego on an existing phone ? Why is Meego not available after such a long time from the announcements ? The problem, to build a completly new platform from scratch with an app-store and an overall environment, has not been solved by Nokia and the Meego-Developers. I only saw some nice, but only rendered screenshots of MeeGo. Nothing real. Be asured, if devices with MeeGo would have become reality and would work well, I would be the first in the shop with an open wallet. But something has to be wrong, that Meego does not manage to see the daylight anytime soon. A Nokia WP-Device is much closer. And sure, Microsoft is happy that Nokia will make now Windows-Phones instead of MeeGo-Phones. In my eyes, this alliance has more advantages than disadvantages and both, Nokia and Microsoft will benefit from it. And I, as the user, will benefit from a whole new user-experience. I’ve already tried some SAMSUNGs and HTCs with WP7 yesterday and I’m positively surprised and curios how Nokia will gain it even more. I’m looking forward for the things to come.

        • alex68 says:

          A Nokia WP-Device is much closer.

          How do you know this? The prototype doesn’t exit yet and Nokia engineers even don’t have any ideas how to work on WP yet, but a promise that MS will provide dev tools for Nokia. On the contrary, Maemo 5/N900 has shown a lot of potentials already. Maemo 6 is close already.

          • visitor says:

            Hi Alex, nice from you to join. I see you as a well informed Nokian with founded statements here and in other postings.I know your warm-hearted comments and replies affected to Meego and Symbian and in general I agree to them. But you and me have to accept the path Nokia has taken, and for my person, I have picked out the goodies which will come out of this story. It does not help myself to sign a cross and close the chapter Nokia. Though I’m not a Nokia-Fanboy, I’m a Nokia-Fan but not addicted to Symbian or Meego. But your question was another. It’s hypothetically: I’m sure, Elop has a lot more in the back than we know which makes him able to make the known announcements. What would it help to keep the customers waiting one more time ? First S2-Devices (cancelled), then S3-Devices (delayed), then Meego-Devices (held back). Now, everyone knows, Symbian in upper-range-devices will die. Who will buy now N8/C6/C7/N7 in the knowledge to hold a dead body in his hands ? But Nokia needs to sell something to earn money. And recent devices will not sell well anymore. So, Nokia is under pressure to serve the market soon with the brandnew toy which will hopefully will mark the future. You can say Nokia has always been under pressure to make annoncements available. But this time it’s the last chance for them. And if new devices will not make their way to the customers very soon, we all know what will happen. I have no proof but also no doubt of the existence of new phones, but I’m sure that we all will be surprised in the next time.
            And, this sounds pathetic, though we will never get Nokia back again as we knew it – times are changing, sometimes slowlier, sometimes faster – the show must go on.

          • visitor says:

            Live from ‘An Evening With Nokia’ at MWC 2011 on Engadged has just closed. Hmmm…! I’m not sure if that is what I wanted to know. Nokia WP-Devices are some steps more away than I thought. This leaves a big whole in my mind. I hope Nokia will support and develop S3 further as long as WP-Devices are not available. Maybe a MeeGo-Device will come sooner and will change my mind. Until then I will be satisfied with my C6-01.

  10. kamuscasio says:

    It would be great if all of us can send some letters to the people responsible, in protest of Elop.

  11. bashpio says:

    there are lot of questions striking in my mind like a storm… what about replacing premier symbian s60 v 3??? now no qwerty smartphone from nokians?? what about the cheap 5230/5250 foot soldiers?? nokia strengthh lies on making cheap smart phones. now with increasing level of android penetration there how much time it will take to reestablish their arsenal there?? what about other manufactureres having better screen and wobderful designs+ better spec on wp7 while nokia have only good camera and better durability for lower processor and high price?? what about the european union grant that was provided for symbian?? what about the easy user upgrading from s40??and last but not least what about nokia’s recovery plan if no one comes to rescue from cold water??
    (couldn’t stop my self from asking — what is the punishment of a traitor in finland??)

  12. Theg says:

    Nokia has sold herself below price and I see the step as the most serious error in all time! why they take a manager who was previously at Microsoft? clear that he certainly has not that interest that is good from nokia! a big company like nokia needs to lead by one at the top, one with the right decisions, with visions, and above all to bleeds nokia blue. And sorry to join microsoft, a company wiht no big visions about the last 5 years is no right decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i use nokia about 15years, but i’m sad to say 2011 would be the last year!

  13. Al says:

    This is what you call CHANGE

    Not 15 minutes press conference with Ballmer… lets hopw in today’s presentation in Barcelona

  14. David says:

    The good thing is that I know don’t have to make a decision which Nokia phone will be the successor of my E51 but can now have a look if I’ll buy an iPhone or an Android phone instead.

  15. SGean says:

    Another thing i’ve noticed, we havn’t heard anything about N8′s PR2.0 yet.. =.=

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  17. he says:

    WP7 was the wrong choice. History is repeating itself. But instead of IBM, it is with Nokia now!


    • Al says:

      from IBM history on wiki:

      However, IBM soon lost this early lead in both PC hardware and software, thanks in part to its unprecedented (for IBM) decision to contract PC components to outside companies like Microsoft and Intel. Up to this point in its history, IBM relied on a vertically integrated strategy, building most key components of its systems itself, including processors, operating systems, peripherals, databases and the like. In an attempt to speed time to market for the PC, IBM chose not to build a proprietary operating system and microprocessor. Instead it sourced these vital components from Microsoft and Intel respectively. Ironically, in a decade which marked the end of IBM’s monopoly, it was this fateful decision by IBM that passed the sources of its monopolistic power (operating system and processor architecture) to Microsoft and Intel, paving the way for rise of PC compatibles and the creation of hundreds of billions of dollars of market value outside of IBM.

  18. Palli says:

    I have had Nokia since the name was Mobira bought first one Cityman in 1987.For close to 5.000 EUR / 7.000 US $ ( ) NMT system phone. Have had Nokia since, N95 very good, N97 better, now N8 best. I am not worried, Nokia will still make the best phones. OS is just OS. What Nokia are best doing, great design and very well built phones, that will not change.

  19. Jeffrey04 says:

    Microsoft is winning big this time, as they get to access resources from Nokia (not forgetting the huge GLOBAL market share too).

    It is kinda sad to see one of the first smartphone OS (Symbian) is left dying slowly like this (it really probably just need its UI rewritten, but they are taking too much time for that already). I doubt if Meego will get better treatment considering Microsoft has not been kind to Linux in the past. QT will be very much survive this as it is too big to fail and there are a couple of high-profile software projects are developed using QT iirc (eg. KDE).

    Although I don’t quite like S^3, but if Nokia is abandoning it for WP7 (functionality-wise, kinda inferior compared to S^3 as of now), chances are it will be very much becoming yet another phone manufacturer (altho MS claimed otherwise, but i really doubt that).

  20. Nilux says:

    I heard many times that one reason not to make a flashy UI for symbian was tha strategy to keep symbian or Nokia phones familiar, ie.muscle memory. Now as they ditched that policy, why didn’t they just make a better UI for symbian then rather than starting from zero again? Maybe they just didn’t think of it?

    I heard that the biggest owner of Nokia stocks is the seventh biggest owner of MS. So that makes everything clear for me. No need for conspiracy theories. They efficiently found the best way to make the stock price sink -on purpose. Soon they will buy Nokia for 15bn amd get the whole patent case. Money has power. Maybe the only thing that could stop this is the “competition officials” or whatever…

  21. Guest says:

    You have summarized the websites, forums, discussions perfectly. We do not see any positives. Nokia has put itself in 1-2 year journey with WinPhone Ship but at the same time drilled too many holes (abandoning Symbian, MeeGo, Qt, existing customers/developers)in their own ship. Let us see how they “plan” to reach to their destination after self destruction. There must be some great minds left there!

  22. Nilux says:

    Elop was hired to turn the ship, but he misunderstood -and rolled it LOL

  23. Stoli89 says:

    Elop clearly stated today at MWC that he is not the 7th biggest holder of M$ shares. What he didn’t clarify was if he included INSTITUTIONAL shareholders in his ranking. The simple fact is that the guy is a M$ employee who was hired by an incompetent NOK BoD to do a deal with M$. I’m curious if the BoD at Nokia fully understood how poorly this deal would turn out, but it seems time has become an effective gun for Elop to push this forward. Qt and Meego will be locked in a cellar and starved to a point where they are no longer relevant in the mobile ecosystem race. The faster Nokia and MS can get WP#/Nokia products out to market, the quicker Symbian will die as well. Meego is nothing more than an experiment…PR dressing for a silent takeover. M$ will not alienate its current OEM partners until such time that Nokia differentiation makes the mass divorce from HTC/SAMSUNG/Etc inevitable. In the mean-time, Elop will do the grunt work necessary to make Nokia a cost effective bolt on acquisition…all the politically difficult layoffs in Europe which M$ could not accomplish, given its terrible relationship with the EU.

  24. Nancy Munro says:

    The product differences aside, there are many reasons why the new Nokia Executive at Microsoft may not help them. A columnist from Forbes, Adam Hartung has some interesting insights on this pointing to the fact that this will probably help Apple’s market share that much more

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