Staska – Symbian not smartphone, but smarter phone?

| April 18, 2012 | 103 Replies

Here is a long but an interesting read from Staska of UnwiredView.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/04/18/nokia-didnt-have-any-smartphones-until-late-2011-only-smarter-phones-and-whats-a-smartphone-anyway/

He discusses whether Symbian phones were ever ‘smartphones’ or ‘smarter phones’, and how Nokia was disrupted. Staska says Nokia knew far in advanced what mobile phones were transitioning into (mobile computers) but allowed their own cash cow (Symbian) to strangle Nokia’s answer to iOS (Maemo – which was too good for the definition of simply smartphone, it was a genius pocket computer.).

I guess it depends on the definition of smartphones. Technically, yes it is. Even the likes of the 5530 are technically smartphones. Smartphone may mean different things to different people. With time, expectations change and the new categories of devices need to step up to meet those expectations. For a long, long while when Symbian was king, it was setting the trends. But suddenly, expectations of what smartphones were supposed to do changed – and it changed in areas where Symbian, despite all of it’s features, could not catch up quickly enough. Nokia recognized this hence why for years they had a migration path to Maemo which they threw away in the bin.

What has also most definitely changed is the consumer – smartphones were no longer just for ‘smart people’ aka the geeks, but for your everyday non-techie person too. People may not have appreciated purely features but first, being able to use the phone easily, even if it meant a trade off on features.

Controversially, you may remember Staska previously wrote that  he believes the reason Symbian crashed was Android eating Symbian’s sales.

Android’s smartphones – were they more attractive purchases than Nokia’s smarter phones?  Do you agree that only now is Nokia making the transition from mobile phones to smartphones with WP?

What is a smartphone? Does the definition matter anywhere apart from marketshare stats? Are consumers wanting a smartphone or a smarter phone or a phone that is just intuitive, does what they want to very well and by virtue also happens to be a smartphone (e.g. Nokia N9, intuitive, beautiful, simple, does core smartphone things well)?

Source: .unwiredview.com via @Bharadc23

 

 

 

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  • deep space bar

    another soar hit to symbian….what the hell is this seriously

    • DM

      Well I’ll tell you what it is, it’s a clear disregard of the definition of a “smartphone”.

      Here is the wikipedia entry on smartphone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone#Symbian (I’ve pointed you to the Symbian section).

      Smart phones were classed as a phone the could run API’s (Applications) but when Apple launched the iPhone in 2007 it didn’t even have the ability to run applications because it didn’t have a app store, this wasn’t launched until a few months after the initial launch of the phone.

      So that’s basically what’s happened, the iPhone changed the definition of smart phones and ever since 2007 the definition of smart phones has been changed. (Yes and according to what I have said before, S40 is a smart phone, it’s just Nokia hasn’t called it a smart phone, I guess that’s what has to happen now; the company that makes the phone has to call it a smart phone otherwise it isn’t one.

      That’s my take on it anyway.

      • xinjii

        Apple didn’t change the definition of smartphone, they changed the consumer. I had an s40 phone before my N95 and was never sure what smartphone meant. I could run applications, after all. But the difference was CLEAR after my N95. Other smartphone users were rare in thet US. Even in 2006 we would compare notes if I saw another symbian/winmo user.

        Apple made it such that even teenage girls now talk about smartphones. Not just the few elite geeks

      • dr_zorg

        A smartphone is one with true multitasking.

        Being able to do several things at once and not interfering with each other.

        Sort of like a smart individual will be able to focus on several areas of a problem, while a “dumb” one will get stuck on a single aspect and be blind to everything else.

  • eli

    Nokia didnt get enough traction because they were still using low res resistive screens and the user experience just didnt compare. Android modeled the experience after the iphone and won.

    It is all because of the resistive screens folks!

  • jmlion

    WP smart? lol. It is nice in many things, but still cant do half the things Symbian or Android can. From basic BT file transfer, to usb mass storage, to a proper file manager, etc…

    • Jay Montano

      Again, depends on the definition. There are things my N73 can do but my N9 can’t. What is smart? Bright? Quick learning? Intuitive? Clean? Full of features?

      What is the official definition of smartphone? Wasn’t the very first iPhone considered as a non-smartphone?

      • yasu

        A smartphone OS is a phone OS with a bespoke API. Check that definition against the phones OSes in the various smartphones quarterly reports and see if it fits.

      • http://www.chenzhechina.com/ Chen Zhe

        I agree that it is a problem of definition. According to my definition, even the latest generation of iOS is not a smartphone OS, since it does not support real multitasking or enough many APIs.

        • jmlion

          I agree. For me a smartphone is mainly about freedom. If you cant even send a file via BT and you have to send it via e-mail (which requires DATA, not everyone wants to spend money for a data plan), then that’s pretty… well, dumb.

          If you need an additional SOFTWARE (Zune, iTunes) to transfer a file on/from your pc instead of simply using BT or a USB cable… how can you say that is smart?

          Sure, WP has nice social integration. Let me say, in a SMART way. WP has other smart things. But then, even the dumbest phone is a smartphone.

          • jmlion

            Oh, to add: I think that symbian has problems, I’m not saying is perfect.

            It’s more fragmented than Android, for example. That is a DUMB thing, because it’s harder for developers to make an app.

            Also, we all know the main problems which Symbian had in comparison to Android/iPhone, especially 2 years ago.

            But still…

            • Valentin

              The problem was not at symbian …was at nokia …they put on their (advertised) top end smartphone n97 only 434 mhz cpu, no grafics chip(even nokia n95 have one), 128 mb of ram , very small memory(disk space) reserved for user and not very friendly UI of symbian .
              They could use the another friendly UI, because they had series 80 UI from nokia7700 and 7710 (the real first smartphones).

              PS: Symbian/meego = mobile computer OS
              iOS= Smart OS for touchscreen Phone
              Android = iOS more hungry for resouces copy
              WP = Dumb phone os with ugliest UI ever seen.
              Ps2..please , someone, tell me what wp 7.x brings new(beside retarded tiles UI)????

              • jiipee

                From marketing point of view the “Internet tablet” label for Maemo was exceptionally lame

        • olga

          yo picture izz scary shit

  • arts

    Interesting comment comment by this thisguy.

    As usual you get the overall arch so right, it pains to see how Nokia didn’t. My friends and I at Nokia were trying to hammer some of the early versions of these points in as early as 2006, even before iPhone officially shipped.

    Did it help?

    Nope.

    Were we the smartest pencils on the desk? Hell no.

    It just goes to show that people who have built the past, will fail the future.

    And this is Nokia’s failing, still, to this day.

    There is still too much dead weight, still too many old hats who can’t think differently, even at Elop’s Nokia.

    And Nokia is so slow, it hurts my brain. They seriously need to redesign their whole product process cycle. It’s way too slow. Amongst the slowest in the industry.

    That works well, if you are an innovator and 3-5 cycles ahead of the competition.

    However, if you are the copy-cat, trying to catch up in a reactionary mode, then it’s just plain suicide.

    This is something that I have not yet seen Nokia react to seriously.

    And if they don’t, those and the bill-of-material-bean-counters will be the death of Nokia through committee meetings, endless powerpoint presentations and corporate bureaucracy, while the innovative people move elsewhere (mostly have already, years ago).

    Nokia doesn’t just need a killer OS, a killer phone and a killer ecosystem. It needs a killer new Nokia. From inside out. That’s what is missing.

    • arts

      vasras.

      Do anybody know him/her?

    • Jay Montano

      Nokia being Nokia will do what ever it takes to make life more difficult than it ever needs to be. Opportunities will be whittled away. If there is a good sign and promise of something awesome, it shall be killed. Phones will be announced months and months from delay. As policy, Nokia REFUSE to build the one ultimate smartphone. Everything we ever have, we will dilute it. Dilute it so no one cares. Good concepts? We shall bring this to the attention of our competitors so that they can deliver it and be praised for their innovations. We will have teams that don’t talk to each other, that will fight with each other and if problems are spotted by a basic employee or if they have a good idea, we’ll make sure that never reaches the top.Such are the instructions for the internal destruction of Nokia. 2006.

    • deep space bar

      it’s being gutted and killed from the inside out and it’s clearly visible from the sales,the desicions and stocks

      all these are fuckin nokia up really hard right now ……if they continued Meego it would have helped alot since it’s free,just like android

      with WP7 Nokia is paying out their asses with each model being sold

      they can’t depend on one OS if they are going OEM
      and symbian as well they have their contract or what ever with Accucent that is working pretty hard on symbian as we speak

      this “eggs in one basket” stragtegy is friggin stupid and elop is paying for it with all what is happening to nokia and now we have to suffer for his stupidity

      • arts

        I think elop was to ambitious when he wanted to be wp’s main partner. It obviously came at a price, one that seems rather heavy. I think Nokia might fail because of it.

        And to answer some of your questions,

        Nokia wants to be somebodies preferred OEM. That is what I understand anyway.
        Google asked Nokia to fuck off so not much choices left no?
        Even Ms wasn’t too keen in the first round of talks.

        I believe that even to become Ms super OEM, he had to promise Ms Dec su0ort. Just my take.

        • deep space bar

          they didn’t need to be if Meego is their and it’s free instead of using an OS where they have to pay so much each device for it makes no sense for them but it makes more for the company that is offering the OS ……..Microsoft is getting tbe benifits of all this

    • dr_zorg

      Once again as I’ve said above, it’s about money laundering.

      You approve of a certain budget for internals, make a deal with the supplier to charge so and so for older, weaker processors and RAM etc. It’s all fair and square. And you split the profits.

      Nokia BoD and management has been quite corrupt for years, you can see that in many actions that they have taken since 2006 or so. I think part of the reason why OPK was chosen to lead the company was that he was the “yes-man” to preside over this mess.

      A lot of execs here in Finland are village guys, they know nothing of corporate culture such as elsewhere in Europe. They have no reputation to maintain and they don’t feel a need for a reputation. Their families got their money in forestry or mining industry and they supported some political candidate and got rewarded with those posts. It’s all about who you know, not how good you are.

      And once they get the posts, they feel they have no obligations or duties and can do whatever they please. It’s pathetic, but it can be seen all over the country and in the parliament as well. Ever since the late 80′s this trend can be seen getting stronger and stronger.

      So don’t blame the bean-counters, it’s the exects that approve of the specs after all. Bean counters are simply there for statistics.

  • Prashant

    Idiotic and this shud nt been posted.

    • arts

      Why do you think so?

  • Ahsan

    Nokia should concern about Symbian.

  • NNN

    What the hell is that? IOS basically is just expensive version of S40. If Nokia invested same money for ads and development of platform, it could be same.

    Short reflection:
    Symbian is smarter phone and Android is smartphone? If you talk with people which have Android and ask they for question: “Why is Android better than Symbian?”, they say two answers: “Android is future and Symbian is past.” or “Android have more apps.”. People (non mobile fans) with old phones and looking for new one, don´t see differences between Android and Symbian Belle. If you say them this: “This phone is Symbian based.” they will ask you: “And why not Android?” and phone fall down in their eyes. Just for a name…

    Sorry for my bad english.

    • KF

      +100

      and the only thing ‘stupid’ salesmen tell you if you are confused between an android or a symbian is “it’s android, you can do everything you want” blah blah blah….

      • Bloob

        Yeah, Symbian (Belle) could sell ‘ok’ish if salespeople weren’t recommending Android, but they are.

      • SEl

        if you know how to hack symbian,make CFW then you can do everything you want.

        • deep space bar

          same thing with android….i can’t wait to get my 808 and hack it and i think with NFC being on bored and the CPU is jacked with the Camera i think alot of camera hacks FFC and main will be made and more NFC applications with payment methods would come out more

    • j

      symbian offers device and software from one hand.
      better quality.

    • OSagnostic

      As an N8 & Nexus S owner i would say the reason people choose Android over Symbian is because they value a good web browser over the advantages the N8 has (great camera and sat nav…)

      The 808 will have the same problem as it improves on the N8 but will still be lacking in this key area (a good web browser).

      • deep space bar

        i’m using the latest browser the UI still needs alittle more work and same with loading speeds and other than that it’s alot better

  • lordstar

    Up to this day I still wonder why Nokia didn’t prioritize the ui for the Symbian Os. At least now it’s at par with the others, belle fp1 seems to be what should have been at the start.

    Too bad Elop defined it as a burning platform, on the bright side there’s still belle fp2 and Carla to look forward to.

  • qromodynmc

    what a joke,Man how many idiot living on this planet…

    • deep space bar

      they al coming from USA….seriously >.> it’s stiffling and sickening

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Smartphone definition has changed so much over the years, depending on what year, what region and what country you’re in – the definition changes.

    Back in the mid-to-late noughties, a smartphone in the UK was a phone that, very basically, could multi-task. Meanwhile, in the US, a smartphone was defined simply by any mobile phone with a full qwerty keypad.

    Since then, the european way (of multi-tasking first) slowly adopted its way over and then, by rights, the original iPhone couldn’t really be classed as a smartphone!

    Today though? Who actually cares?

  • dss

    phones don’t get any smarter than they do with Symbian.

    Any OS that offers third party native applications, multitasking, internet connectivity, several different kind of e-mail protocols,.. is a smartphone.

    Not to mention the wide range of local connectivity

    http://i.imgur.com/ejsrK.jpg

    7 different development frameworks

    Qt (qml)
    Web Runtime
    Java
    Symbian C++
    Flash
    python
    Open C/C++

    and look at the list of APIs ..

    http://i.imgur.com/YKHHL.jpg

    so what are they are talking about ?

  • RVM

    Actually it’s iOS and WP which are not smartphones. U can make smartphone from your iPhone when u jailbreak it though. I have both Symbian (N8) and WP (Lumia 800) and N8 is head and shoulders above Lumia 800 in terms of functionality. Not that WP doesn’t have its own advantages (elegant and consistent design, fluidity and speed, deep social and search integration…).

    • arts

      I think that is what staska is trying to point out. Is functionality a metric in which we call a smartphone a smartphone?

      Or in today’s world does functionality matter?

      Questions that makes my head spin.

      • RVM

        I have N8 and Lumia 800 and i consider N8 to be much more “smartphone” than Lumia. After all, it perfectly suits author’s own smartphone definition. The whole article appears to me like an answer for “why Nokia is in trouble” question. However, it’s completely wrong. We may blame Symbian for lagging in UI, but that has nothing to do with phone or smartphone definition. For example, im now using both Lumia 800 and N8. And it is Lumia which is used as a phone (and internet) and N8 which is used as a main multimedia device (photo, video, tv output, connecting to PC anywhere i need – i can’t install Zune in my work computer…, much more space for my files – 48 GB).

        I can see both strong and weak points of WP and Symbian. And im not saying that move to WP was bad thing (i was really dissapointed about the way it was done though – burning memo platform – which is the cause of stronger Symbian downfall in last months), but calling Symbian not a smartphone platform is just dumb explanation of Nokia’s troubles.

  • http://www.nomasla.net FireDragon

    An ideal SmartPhone should be able to do anything or be able to provide a way to do anything for any type of users and I mean ANY type of user. Smartphones should do all those things with ease and comfort. And can be enhance with the time. This is how I look a true smartphone.

    Now like I always said from years, Symbian at Nokia’s side is great, but always lack one important thing which is “User’s Comfort”. And even with Belle, things are not there. Nokia has wasted their powerful tool.

    Regular readers must know what I will say next, I have experience the true strength of Symbian through UIQ from Sony Ericsson so I know what it can do and what Nokia’s Symbian is not doing while deep inside it all the power is stored but wasted.

    You can say ease of development crush Symbian, but in fact it is not entirely it. When there was no alternative to Symbian (Android), people were using Symbian. As soon as they started to see an alternative, they pick and moved away from Symbian. As they moved away to other OS, developers move to it as well not only because easy development but also mainly because of Money.

    IF Symbian fill those gaps, users will response to it (WP is an example how people still response to Nokia) and so will developers.

  • incognito

    The smartphone definition, if it ever existed, after the iPhone became a meaningless label. What was ‘smart’ about the first iPhone, it had less features and was less extensible than s40 phones, yet Apple added it a title of ‘smartphone’ and everybody agreed on it. Since then – smartphone usually means – more expensive than a feature phone, and nothing more than that. Not to repeat myself, I’ll just quote what I wrote at TMO on the subject whether the N9 is a smartphone or not, but it’s applicable to the Symbian line as well:

    I think we’re long away from the clear distinction between a smartphone and a feature phone. The problem is that the term ‘smartphone’ never had a clear definition, instead manufacturers used it to justify steep prices and as a differentiators between their other line-ups, which is how we got to a point where everybody has his own idea of a smartphone.

    Some might consider that what differs a smartphone from a feature phone is the original clear distinction – smartphone’s features could be extended by 3rd party apps, wherein featurephones were locked to the features bolted-in and delivered by the manufacturer with the device itself. However, that clear distinction quickly evaporated by introducing J2ME-capable featurephones where you could add third-party apps and extend the range of features delivered with the device itself. One might say that the original distinction implied native, close-to-hardware, `first class citizen` apps, not the ones based on some limited, virtualized extension API – but if that was the case, Android and WP based devices are not smartphones.

    That was even further diluted by the introduction of the original iPhone which was touted to be a `smartphone` (and even a new term was coined – a superphone) yet it couldn’t run 3rd party apps at all. And out of box – it had less features than any $20 Chinese NokLa knock-off. That was in the same year when the N95 was advertised with ‘what computers have become’, had more features than today’s iPhones (or pretty much everything else), bar the touchscreen, had native 3rd party apps execution, had true multitasking, had OS-wide copy/paste, MMS support, had a rudimentary ‘app store’ (the Download app), had a good camera, had FFC (w/ video call), GPS, GPU, accelerometer, microSD slot, USB interface, TV-out… In pretty much every aspect it was a computer in the sea of abacuses… Still, while being one of the greatest successes of Nokia, your average Joe would look at the `shiny one` and say it was a smartphone and N95 was merely a featurephone. Feature-packed to the brim, but a featurephone nonetheless. The smartphone paradigm changed that year. Apple stole it and through the wonders of marketing they redefined the term.

    After the 2007 I don’t think it’s even wise to separate devices in those two categories as the line has become so blurred that you can’t say with any credibility what a smartphone is and what isn’t. Even by the old, Apple-unaltered term. The N9 is as much of a smartphone as the iPhone 4S, SGSII, N8, N900 or the HTC Titan are. Can it do all the things those can? For the most part, yes. Can those devices do what the N9 can? For the most part, yes. So, what’s the difference? Heck, even the latest Asha lineup can fit easily into that list as well. Apart from certain HW aspects (hardware keyboard, big advanced camera module, Xenon flash, display resolution, HDMI out… which none of those covers completely), everything else is implemented in the software. So, technically, there’s no difference.

    Nothing, and absolutely nothing stops you from having, to quote you: “3G video calls, SyncML support, (custom) profiles, USB OTG, flash in the browser, desktops with shortcuts and widgets, bookmark management in the browser, sub-folders for the application icons, voice dialling and voice commands, text2speech for messages/incoming calls, full nokia maps with navigation, upload files from browser, access file system in standard “save file” operation (let alone “open file”), etc.” on the N9 as well (except maybe USB-OTG). Or on any of the aforementioned devices as well. In fact, the N9 is at advantage here given that it’s running a proper GNU/Linux and has either hooks or full OSS stacks you can tap in to add all those features, whereas other platforms are either way too closed or designed in such a way that adding such features would require a complete OS rewrite. Therefore, the N9 is a smartphone – feature lacking, but smartphone nonetheless. Features can be added. On the N9 quite easily as well.

    In an ideal world, you’d be able to install any OS you want on any device you like. I had hoped we’ll reach that state by now, but the device manufacturers don’t want to let their cash cow slip until they milk it completely.

    To me, a smartphone is a hardware device with phone capabilities onto which you can put whatever software you desire, with enough oomph to run software that can fully exploit its hardware. A smartphone OS is the one which lets you use all of the hardware its installed on in any manner you please, which can be extended by 3rd party apps, allows you to multitask and doesn’t impose artificial restrictions. It doesn’t even need to have a file manager, or a browser for that matter as long as I can install one. It doesn’t even need to have ‘contacts app’ and ‘dialer’ built-in as long as you can acquire it from another channel, or write it yourself. Both, the N900 and the N9, are closer to that than pretty much any other device touted as a smartphone.

    P.S. Arguing about whether something is or isn’t a smartphone is quite like arguing if there is or isn’t a god – you first need to define one in order to have any kind of sensible discussion.

    So – I call bullcrap on the ‘smarter phone’ moniker attached to Symbian in the linked article. Symbian is as much of a smartphone as any of the devices I mentioned in the above quote.

    • KF

      nice read, couldn’t agree more :)

    • jiipee

      Excellent text!

    • deep space bar

      so n900,n9 and all the other “new” androids are concidered smartphones? but a smartphone is not only deemed a smartphone from hardware but software as well and symbian has been a smartphone OS since it was created which is why i don’t get why this fool is stating symbian not being an Smartphone OS ??

      • Viipottaja

        Well, frankly, I don’t think he is trying to say Symbian is not a smartphone platform. Or at least not that it never was.

        He is saying it is not (or rather, for a long time wasn’t) what people after 2007 view as a smartphone.

        He is basically just making an arbitrary distinction to drive a point/argument through the story. Just a journalism tactic of provoking and over-emphasizing a point he is trying to make. The point being that Nokia did not fast enough adapt to the new definition people adopted after 2007.

    • Saul

      @incognito

      Don’t let this go to your head but…
      Once again more succinctly put than pretty-much anyone else can.

      ;-)

    • Beelzebozo

      “Since then – smartphone usually means – more expensive than a feature phone, and nothing more than that.”

      This. Sad but so true. Shows perfectly how meaningless the word smartphone is now. Nokia could easily just beef up the hardware of an S40 phone a little, charge 300 euros for it and then call it a smartphone.

      Maybe they should. Their smartphone market share would skyrocket. :)

      When/if Meltemi comes, Nokia must call it a smartphone OS. There’s no point not doing so. No matter what the price of the phone. Just say that you have made smartphones affordable to everyone, because it’s everyone’s right to own a smartphone. Let Apple invent a new word for their overpriced not-particularly-smart phones.

  • salvasprock92

    People wants elop out!

  • Ruben

    i seriously define my 5800 xpm a smartphone. It integrates socail contacts with phone contacts with the right app (socially), can upload videos directly to youtube from galery and photos too, does multitasking, does videocall, 3g network,etc… that’s my definition of smartphone, not pinch and zoom…

    had an E71, that was also a smarthphone.
    but hey, that’s just me. Symbian was and IS a wonderfull platform. Just too expensive to develope to higher flights. that’s why they’re killing it.

  • dadsf

    Yes and Windows is best replacement for Symbian, but only carriers don’t want it and only users don’t want Windows. And millions of people just use Symbian and like it. SO let’s persuade them they don’t know what they like and use Elop Effect for this. I am sick of this nonsenses already.

  • John Borg

    This is total nonsense, the only thing Nokia and many other OEM’s missed was the craze that would consume the general public with touch revolution, none of them saw the potential of touch screen but the public liked it, its marketing and hype and intuition of Steve Jobs who saw what the other companies were missing, and Nokia could not build a good touch phone, but came up with crappy resistive touch phone which people shunned. The comment abt symbian being poor compared to Ios/android is just too silly. Nokia didnt catch up well to incorporate the touch and really didnt make a good enough phone till N8, but by then the whole mobile market got changed with iPhone and the mass market swing towards android

    • SEl

      I think resistive screen is better because it feels more natual,you can always put your finger on screen when doing quick input.except multi-touch

      • poiman

        Seriously man… I’ve been using a Nokia Asha 300 and the resistive screen sucks. It’s not responsive at all, if you use your finger it selects stuff that you don’t want… you have to use your nails, it’s so annoying. I can’t understand how some people can use that.

        • Jay Montano

          Been a long time since I heard complaints about resistive screens. I still remember people defending it, though it was possibly the most counter intuitive thing to finger based touch screen UI that were meant to look fast and slick. The adoption of capacitive on Symbian helped immensely.

          • Harangue

            Ah, the good old days of Nokia sticking with resistive screens. Remember buying an N97 and making the first scratch on the screen in about 5 days. Hell yeah, soft layered resistive screens rule.

            /s

  • deep space bar

    the next question is…..WTF IS A SUPERPHONE ?

    • http://f n8thegreat

      It’s a marketing term that carriers came up with to try and sell more smartphones.

  • SEl

    Staska is idiot!

  • Stuart

    I have been thinking about one question that I haven’t had answered: “How does Nokia make the distinction between mobile devices and smartphones?” That could very well determine what Meltemi devices will be allowed to do. Looking at S40 now it seems that lower cost components seem to be the biggest difference between mobile phones and smartphones.

  • Ruben

    its a question, in my opinion, not too difficult to answer.
    why does a company that has the “Know how”, and everything in its reach to make a suberb phone that simply puts to garbage iphones and androids, doesn’t do it?

    why? because they just don’t want to. I mean, if others can, why can’t the greateast manufacturer of phones do the same?

    I seriously start to believe there’s an agenda behind all of this to put nokia rating to garbage so then microsoft can buy it for cents. and Elop was put in charge of taking care it rolls that way.

    If i see it in this perspective, it all makes sense. The delays, the bad marketing, the non-existing killer phones, etc. I mean, they can’t make one god damn thing right! is it so hard?

    I hate microsoft, already did and the multimilionare mason Bill Gates and its sick coorporation. Remember, that what’s for the masses, its for the sheeps. That goes for iphones and androids as well. They save customer personal data and then say its for marketing purposes. Its the fucking big brother out there.

    Sorry for some language here, but think about it.
    if one knows about what is NWO, its not so hard to put the pieces together, is it?

    • deep space bar

      i respect you for looking at the bigger picture which i’ve been called a troll for exploiting

      there is an agenda and it seems more and more visible every day

      keep up the good work…..question,answers and answer questions
      :)

      • Ruben

        deep space bar, crazy was the fool that said the earth was round.
        but then, it actually was. but only later they prove them right.

        i wish i’m not right about this, i really don’t want to. if i am, i’m afraid we’ll see the end of nokia as we know it (may not be the total extinction, but being reduced to €10 and €20 phones) while microsoft feed their thurst for aquisitions. The hunger for profit.

        it was never a Win-Win deal. That’s about it.

        thanks for the comment ;)

        • deep space bar

          we will find out soon enough after all this crap..who will win Meego/symbian/WP7

    • Harangue

      Nokia didn’t put their best work in phones even before Elop was around. They stuck with resistive screen when everyone was using capacitive.

      They kept using age old ARM11 processors when even Samsung was already using Cortex A8 in Symbian powered devices.

      They were still using underpowered batteries when all the other manufacturers switched to higher capacity batteries.

      They stuck with small screens (3.2″) even when others were already starting to break the 4″ barrier.

      There might be a consipiracy going on for all I know. But Nokia sticking older parts in their phones is nothing new and was being done for years. Mainly because of pencil pushers reigning supreme inside Nokia rather than engineers.

  • http://f n8thegreat

    While this article is very arguable, I get what he is saying. What he’s saying is that the iPhone started the trend of modern smartphones, or what the average person views as a modern smartphone.

    His idea of a smartphone is an easy-to-use media/computer device first, and a phone second. According to his definition, then none of the S^3 phones are smartphones. All the Symbian devices are phones first, and media/computer devices second.

    His definition is based on the fact that Nokia still places great importance on phone features like pentaband, bluetooth, great call quality and clarity.

    The N900 according to him is a true smartphone. What Nokia calls a “mobile computer” he is calling a smartphone. Maemo devices truly were mobile computers, and with the N900, it was a mobile computer with phone functionality added. The N900 is a modern smartphone according to him.

    He also mentions if Nokia fully focused on Maemo back in 2007 or even 2009, instead of still focusing so much on Symbian, then things would have been different now. I think many of us Nokia fans agree, that not focusing on Maemo all those years ago was a huge mistake by Nokia.

    The iPhone essentially is an easy-to-use mobile media and computing device, with phone functionality attached to it. This is what most Androids are as well. The phone functionality on most Androids and the iphone is an afterthought.

    Now with the Lumia WP phones, Nokia has made the first mainstream modern smartphones (the N900 was not that mainstream). They are media/computing devices first, and phones second. The Lumia WP phones are made in the same philosophy as iphones and Androids. Many long-time Nokia fans hate this for a variety of reasons. These reasons though the average consumer doesn’t seem to care about. With the Lumias at least, phone quality is not a complete afterthought. Call quality is still trademark Nokia good, even if the Lumias don’t have full pentaband support or phone features like BT file sharing.

    Again, while his definition of a smartphone is arguable, I can see the point he was trying to make.

  • http://f n8thegreat

    *I meant to say, same philosophy as Iphones and Androids in terms of media content and browsing/computing functions. WP 7.5 is still limited in some media and computing functionality, which WP8 should fix.

    Obviously WP most closely follows the iphone philosophy of tight standardization and sandbox security. The Android philosophy is different in terms of security and privacy.

  • Viipottaja

    The definiti of a smartphone or a smarterphone that matter is not (or shoulf not be) the point of the story – such definitions are rather pointless, inceasingly now of course.

    What SELLS and generates revenue and profit is the point, no matter what they are called. The cheapest Nokia phone today is probably about as smart as the most expensive one in 1998. :)

    And there is probably a point to this para in his story as well, in particular the last sentence:

    “The problem was that, contrary to most known examples in business history – the disruption started at the top this time. Nokia thought they were ahead of it – they were building and dominating smart phones at the time, after all. And nobody told them that they were making the ultimate sustaining technology devices, perfecting the mobile phone features like camera, penta-band antennas, USB-on-the-go and HDMI/TV-out, few users cared about. While paying too litle attention to the disruptive user experiences enabled by better software on faster CPUs and bigger RAM chips.”