Update: OpenMobile “dilligently working” to bring ACL to N9
So one of the first posts I put out after being an author on MNB, was that the N9 would have access to Android apps, through Myriad’s Alien Dalvik. Well, that went belly up, rumoured to be due to Nokia refusing to financially support their effort. And let’s face it, why would Nokia pay for someone to bring an ecosystem to their device, that they won’t profit from. (Except of course that maybe the device will have sold more).
Then, we heard that OpenMobile was bringing their own version known as ACL (App Compatibility Layer). News on that front went silent, except that it was being pushed for Tizen. At the beginning of the month, I tweeted to them about what was going on. They replied with a blog post. All the blog post simply said was that they were working on ACL for MeeGo and posted up the video below. Of course, MeeGo and MeeGo-Harmattan are two different platforms. Raising the question, will it work on the N9?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zTgo2GuNsY8
Moments ago, I was having a look again, and noticed they have replied to user comments regarding the N9, earlier in the week.
Thank you all for your comments and kind words! Our engineering team at OpenMobile is diligently working on multiple platforms, including ACL for the Nokia N9 MeeGo Smartphone. Thank you for your interest in ACL™. Keep checking back to the blog for further updates and information as we are able to release it!
Best,
The OpenMobile Team
From this at least we have some new hope that ACL will be making it to the N9 some time soon.
Source: OpenMobile
Category: Applications, MeeGo
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yahoooo!
Wow, that sounds great!!
Wow! This amazing I hope this will come soon to the N9, this would be fantastic, no one would be able to say to you:“nice device but, no apps,no games….”, everyone will just say:“perfect” because now I think that the N9 is perfect,
by the way, I hope that no one, but no one, will buy Elop’s windows shit devices, go to hell Elop…
Millions already did. Sorry mate.
I did. I love my 900 better.
It’s very hard to understand why people like you hate Nokia so much. Why do these Nokia haters wish the company all the bad luck it can possibly have? I wish all the best for Nokia with it’s efforts to make the Windows Phone to succeed.
Using the Dalvik VM with the N9 does bring the device a wide range of software. However all of those applications just can’t run properly because the N9 is lacking some serious processing power.
What it comes to the Dalvik VM applications the N9 is on par with the cheapest Android handsets. Devices far cheaper compared to the N9.
With the Dalvik VM support people would say it has software support but the device lags seriously. Now would you really want that to happen?
I don’t hate Nokia man, I always like to see Nokia in lead, again and again, therefore I want nokia to support MeeGo and the N9,guys, all Nokia fans around the world, it is clear like sun rays, N9 is much better than the WP devices, you don’t have to be smart to realize it,everyone knows that, Elop himself knows that, Nokia sales reports shows that N9 is just betterApart from that , people want something special, something unique like the N9,unlike the WP, WP is the Secondary OS in Samsung and HTC, so give me one reason why it should be the main OS for nokia?It does not make sense? Don’t you see that guys? I want good explanations
There are plenty of good reasons.
If Nokia did Android and WP, that’s 6 OSes they’d have to make, support, market and court developers for: S40, Symbian, Meltemi, MeeGo, WP, Android.
Their innovation in cool new sw and features (improvements to Nokia Maps, Drive etc) would be slowed down by needing to duplicate whatever they do 6 times.
Also, for Android, do they go with Google Maps, or try to fork it and insert Nokia Maps (in which case they lose “google approved” and will definitely have to do their own developer outreach a la Amazon Kindle Fire)
Microsoft gives them piles of money. Granted, given how fast Symbian sales evaporated thanks to the idiotic burning platform memo, MS should probably give them bigger piles of money.
In exchange for the dedication to WP, Nokia not only gets money, but more say over how the OS works and is involved in making it. Hopefully we will see more of that with Apollo, since their ability to customize Mango is limited In Android, most of the stuff Nokia would want to do to customize it would run afoul of Google (as Moto did with SkyHook).
It is a gamble (one that has yet to pay off), but in Android, Nokia wouldn’t be special (or even necessarily successful, as only Samsung is making money). Nokia wants to be special. MeeGo and Meltemi would be special but unsuccessful (see: ecosystem), as there aren’t enough open fans to matter (Android is bought by most people for apps, not for openness).
The real blame for Nokia’s dilemma goes to Old Nokia which failed to recognize the iPhone as a threat. If they had gone all-in with Maemo, Nokia would have it all. They’d have been successful AND special. That’s not Elop’s doing. He is trying (unsuccessfully) to clean up the mess they made of Nokia’s future.
If Nokia does want to become just
Please do your homework, this is fundamentally different to how Alien Dalvik works.
It’s more akin to WINE in Linux distro’s, there is NO extra overhead…
It will be equivalent performance-wise to any other similarly specc’d Android handset.
And there’s no shortage of similarly specc’d one’s now running very smoothly, thanks to AOSP 4.
It’s not going to happen anyway, so you can relax self-proclaimed true Nokia lover.
Yeah, I know how it works. That’s precisely why it would lag.
The N9 has a very underpowered hardware if you compare it to the Android devices. That’s mostly because the processor is so slow.
That is, because the processor is so slow the Dalvik VM will run very slowly. The processor is the most important component what the Dalvik VM requires from the hardware. By modern standards the N9 has a very slow processor.
ok, then explain how the N9 is able to run games with no lack what so ever if you install Android 4 on it?
Yeah, lots of games will run on low end hardware. Ever tried one of those modern low end Android devices?
You surely sound like a true Nokia lover. /s
You just do not get the point do you…
On the other hand: the N9 has a very efficient os, so does not need a super fast quad core processor.
Makes Elop’s decision to drop MeeGo even sillier
ill believe it when I have it
I hope that you’ll have it soon as possible:)
why Nokia wouldnt have profited from Android apps? I dont see a reason why they would not have approved also android compatible apps to Nokia store. Maybe have 1% lower price than in android app store to make sure users download them from Nokia.
What the users would have enjoyed, would have been that Nokia woukd have only approved ‘quality’ apps. Finding only good stuff woukd have helped the end user a lot.
I wonder is it too late to buy an N9 now, it’s currently priced at RM1450 in Malaysia for 64gb set
Depends on what you expect from the device you buy. If you expect some further amazing updates, growing app library or that sort of things – yes, it is too late to buy it as Nokia has now completely abandoned pretty much everything that begins with the letter `M`, sans the only thing that is causing them all this problems – Microsoft.
If you are happy with what the device can do out of the box and the currently available software library, if you like to thinker and have high hopes that the community will at least solve some of the problems it has and so on – then it’s never too late to buy it, as long as there are some of those in stock. Judging by the N900 market availability, you probably will have a couple of months more to obtain it, after that it will first rise in price, and then completely disappear from the market.
MS is causing ALL of Nokia’s problems? Come on man.
The current ones – pretty much so. Well, not Microsoft directly, but the active engagement in fulfillment of Microsoft’s best interests disregarding Nokia’s ones. Not saying they wouldn’t have some other problems if they haven’t made that pact with the Devil – far from it, they most certainly would as their two biggest problems are execution and communication to the public, and they haven’t fixed a thing on that front, only made it worse – and on top of that, they added a frankly moronic strategy as if the first two weren’t enough to set their sail for an epic fail.
I’m quite sure the dire straits they’re in at the moment wouldn’t be even closely as severe even if they didn’t do absolutely nothing. Even if they sat on their asses and waited for the second coming of whatever – they’d be in better position now. Instead, they actively worked towards their failure, and now they reap what they saw on that fateful Feb’11. And despite what some of you might think, I’m not happy one bit for being proven right time and time again in this matter as I still carry some irrational and unexplainable sentiment towards Nokia.
I don’t think that MS had all that much to do with pushing Android down on lower price point devices.
Zipa is right. The problem with Meltemi is it would have been too late against cheap Chinese Androids that do more and cost less. The price came down faster, and Meltemi was taking too long.
much like MeeGo, if it came out 2 years before its actual release date, it would be a different story. But that’s not Elop’s fault, that’s Nokia’s.
Reading you two it’s obvious that some people just much rather live in self sustained fictitious bubble of big denial than step out to harsh reality and admit being wrong.
P.S. Don’t put too much hope into ACL, chances are you’ll never see it available for the N9 despite what they are saying.
Why?
Because so far it’s been nothing but a vaporware. They haven’t even presented a demo, even a glimpse of it on the N9. And, also, they aim to sell directly to manufacturers, not to end users. Nokia would never buy it even if they make it.
“And, also, they aim to sell directly to manufacturers, not to end users”
No they’re even claiming they’re going to offer it to end-users now, or at least subtly hinting at it numerous ways.
why the hell won’t nokia just make more meego devices, even if they won’t support it. I mean just install meego on the lumia 900 body and leave the rest to developers like Acl and alien dalvik to do. It will give them an extra market share and sales.
+1
Nokia is no longer interested in market share unless it can be obtained with WP or s40 devices. If WP 8 is another closed in bullshit “ecosystem” I will not buy a Nokia phone in the foreseeable future.
The new spelling of “ecosystem” should in my opinion be company monopoly.
i guess that makes us two, the n9 will be the last nokia phone i wil buy (currently using n8) if win phone is closed-in, maybe to sony.
Later dude. Not enough people care about open/closed to matter to Nokia.
No love for 808?
Same here
That is rather ignorant. Ecosystem means the number of apps, media and services that work on the device, which provides value to the consumer. The vast majority of consumers (say, the 99.99% who DON’T follow and post on MNB) get their value from the ecosystem, not from whether it’s “open” or not (case-in-point: the popularity of closed systems like Windows, Mac OS X, iOS.
Sorry, but there just aren’t enough of you open-lovers to win out the app-lovers. It’s not even close.
Ecosystems schmecosyshtems. Just another bullshit buzz word invented by marketing agencies.
I couldn’t care less about them. They don’t provide me any worth while value. I’m infinitely more interested in phone’s camera for example than ecosystem. And most people are like me. Most people care little about apps and shit. To most people a phone is just a phone. They make calls, text, surf the net, listen music and take a few pictures. That’s about it. Most people don’t need a smartphone at all.
That 99.99% is pure and utter bullshit. Otherwise all people would have iPhones.
Yeah, if most people are like you, why was Nokia losing market share all the time in the recent years?
Too many consumers consider Symbian as a piece of crap. That’s a problem for Nokia and that’s why they had to kill Symbian.
The decline in average selling price stopped only after the Symbian was killed. Before the 211 Nokia’s ASP was dropping like a rock. After the 211 they stabilized the ASP.
100%, let’s say, kind of lumia 900 with MeeGo harmattan, just like the N9, with a higher resolution(720p screen), stronger CPU(multi-core CPU), better battery, of curse the same design, that would be the ultimate device, the one that will return Nokia back to the lead, I will call it the Nokia N10.
No, it won’t. It would return them to the lead of the tiny minority of users who post on here. Sorry to blast you in the face with truth
Any special reason why you’re behaving like a child throughout this entire thread?
How about actually posting on topic or not posting at all…
That also applies to other posters posting about nothing to do with the article at hand.
This is FUD, these guys are massive trolls & have been promising this forever.
Always hinting that it’s going be available for end-users not just OEM’s (of which Nokia wouldn’t be part of anyway).
But then presenting no evidence that it’s progressing nicely on a N9/950.
They’re no better than that AlienDalvik mob…
Well, since Duke Nukem Forever and Diablo III lost their ultimate vaporware statuses, somebody has to take the helm – it might just as well be AlienDalvik and ACL.
Fair point, but we’re yet to ACTUALLY see it running on a N9/950 despite constant requests.
If one of their goals really is to offer it to end-users, then why do they still have nothing to demo?
Even Dukem had demo’s….. ;-P
Duke Nukem…mmmm…too bad Forever was such crap. If they’d just released the original 3D with modern engine and graphics, it would’ve been awesome.
“It’s time to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I’m all outta gum.”
I know a lot of you may have already read this one but I just wanna share it ’cause this made me appreciate the n9 a little bit more.
//felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego
sorry mate, but, I didn’t see it, and maybe the URL you wrote up is wrong, so what is this ?
felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/
thanks man,I have read it,and, what can I say, Stephen Elop, your are one stupid man,until now I thought that he does have a good reason for his bloody choice,it looks like he fall on his head or something like that…
It’s very old, but well-known in the Nokia/Maemo/MeeGo/Qt community.
Totally off-topic, but a seminal moment in the whole saga.
That’s the problem with this meego meltimi shit. They take for ever to develop. Kill it please
yes master Balmer. WP best thing since sliced bread, we love it, yes master, you think we obey…
Classic MS tactic..
EMBRACE.EXTEND.EXTINGUISH
Hahah…
We had this discussion…
You’re being no better than the other posters.
Worse actually in this instance.
Why not just grow-up?
james… do you want to invest in what cost you money to develop and still take ages to get set for the market? no!!! if you love nokia you will be singing kill meego, meltimi… how many years it took to develop meego? and when it came out its already outdated. nokia needs speed and that what Microsoft and android can do for them… even Symbian but meego bullshit its taking too long. besides no eco system… even Symbian eco system is kinda week compared to others then you want to start new os.
oooooo my N9 is happy now
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“And let’s face it, why would Nokia pay for someone to bring an ecosystem to their device, that they won’t profit from. (Except of course that maybe the device will have sold more).”
Well they don’t profit from WP Marketplace either. The money goes to Micro$oft. So from Nokia’s point of view there shouldn’t be any difference. Unless Nokia is in fact Micro$oft’s subsidiary.
Will this come to symbian? Pleassssseee?