Nokia RM-839/840/841 leaked at navifirm
New on Navifirm are devices whose codes are RM-839/840/841.
These might be symbian devices. The core platform is BB5 for the RM-840/841 and it’s saying unknown for RM-839.
We may get to see these devices announced at the summer Nokia event, Nokia Connection.
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BB5 could very well be some last RAPUYAMA variants, so nothing new here HW platform wise?
But we’ll see…
meltemi devices? :O nokia air? I think meltemi and software update for MeeGo
Meltemi is dead
and nokia air, in the last year 2011
how can you say no official confirmation has been made but the probability is that meltemi is dead, recently when Elop was interviewed and asked about meltemi then he said there is no need of new ecosystem, so maybe meltemi is not an OS completely may be it’s something that will skin linux and symbian or linux and WP, etc.
symbian??? hope its for low price device
no need of a low price symbian, it should be an high end device.
dreaming meltemi not canned and these devices r running it. not high hopes for symbian
Well after the miserable failure of Lumias within few months. Here come Symbian return as Nokia life saver. So which one is the real burning platform? The one that wasted a lot of time and resources or the one that have been with Nokia at all this time…
These are special for you. They took WP phones and wrote symbian on them with black marker. Next we will hear from you they are the greatest phones ever.
Learn taking facts instead of taking Elop words. All current Lumias are put to waste after every effort and resources put on them since feb 2011. Only now the partnership with Microsoft should begin and not February 2011.
you can’t say lumia have failed, yeah they haven’t got the limelight that it should have got.
It’s a total failure cause it can’t even recover back the money, time and resources that were onslaught just to make Lumias. After WP8 announcement, of course they have to sell them with low price and that’s mean very low profit. That’s a brilliant way to make money and run a company. Invest on something that will be outdated in few months which was the most crucial strategy and nothing else matter.
what is d exact date of the event “Nokia Connection 2012″?
Nokia normally dont release any timetable for their products. When announcing something, it could hit the market in the next 3-18 months. Same is now maybe for events. You have to make a good guess.
He’s asking about the event, not the product
there is no new symbian/meamo/meego/meltemi phones. only S40 or WP.
Is S40 BB5 based?
Platform/Series is independent from any baseband generation. There are Series 40 handsets on BB5 as well as DCT-4. Actually most based on BB5 today.
Special greetings, dear
NokiaPort.de
Hi thank you
I should have taken a look into your book again
Don’t think so. Some one may know 100% for sure though.
and you know this…how ??
May be you are right about other platforms but are they in a position to live without making symbian…!!!
If no one is buying them, it doesn’t make much sense to manufacture them. There’s not really anything new to offer on the Symbian front that would significantly improve the current line-up.
I don’t claim to have any knowledge on upcoming products, but common sense dictates that 808 will in fact be the last Symbian device from Nokia. It just isn’t worth spending any more R&D costs there.
You somehow forget that Symbian still outsells WP. In fact at the moment there is no sense to make mango devices since they are dead end. The only way they could differentiate a Mango device woul be Qwerty. After testing L800 for two weeks, current Metro UI does not fit either small or horizontal screen.
Anyhow, I dont think they are Symbian based. The development efforts must have been frozen except 808.
“You somehow forget that Symbian still outsells WP.”
No, I did not. Like said:
“There’s not really anything new to offer on the Symbian front that would significantly improve the current line-up.”
“In fact at the moment there is no sense to make mango devices since they are dead end.”
Yes, just like there is no sense in making Android 2.x devices since they are dead end…
My answer seem to have been lost somewhere.
Can you get your estimate on roughly how many Mango devices will be revealed until mid-september by Nokia, HTC, Sammy, ZTE and others altogether? I’ll mark a date to my calendar in Sept to check the result and I come back.
I dont really follow Android that closely. To validate your reasoning, could you answer the following:
1) How are the APIs between Android 2.x and newer ones?
2) are at least half of the apps backwards compatible?
3) In which price points those Androids are present, are there other OSs on the same league? What about WP?
4) How much is there choise of hardware (SOC) options for Android 2.x? Mango is veeeery limited regaring it and there is not much room for cost savings nor differentiation.
“Can you get your estimate on roughly how many Mango devices will be revealed until mid-september by Nokia, HTC, Sammy, ZTE and others altogether?”
I have no such estimate, I haven’t really bothered with speculating on that. I don’t really think that there will be much from any other manufacturer, but if I’d have to wager a guess, I’d say that Nokia might add a device or two to its lineup on the low end.
“1) How are the APIs between Android 2.x and newer ones?”
Exactly like between, say, WP7.5 and WP8. The newer ones obviously have support for the old APIs.
“2) are at least half of the apps backwards compatible?”
Not quite sure what you mean by this? The vast majority of Android apps are still written for the 2.x APIs because the low amount of 4.x handsets on the market. What that means, is that there are very little apps that would actually utilize the benefits of the newer Android versions.
“3) In which price points those Androids are present, are there other OSs on the same league? What about WP?”
I don’t have any specific details, but as of May 1st 2012, about 4,9 % of Android phones in use had Android 4.0 on them. So, 19/20 phones/tablets were still stuck on 2.x or lower.
“4) How much is there choise of hardware (SOC) options for Android 2.x? Mango is veeeery limited regaring it and there is not much room for cost savings nor differentiation.”
No idea. Surely there are more options for Android than for WP.
Much more options. As a Linux-based OS Android can be easily ported for almost any SoC. They range from ARM11 based to modern quad cores.
By the way, almost no Android tablets that run 2.x… The initial Android tablet version was the 3.0 Honeycomb.
“By the way, almost no Android tablets that run 2.x”
If I’m not mistaken, the original Galaxy Tab-series is the best selling Android tablet so far, and it is definitely running 2.x. Well, I might be wrong, Android tablets are about as interesting to me as a genital wart on my nose…
actually you got the point in your statements but not every one would have got this in their minds.
“It just isn’t worth spending any more R&D costs there.”
I agree. But since when Nokia is quick enough to do the R&D and deliver a product immediately. If they announce a product now, the R&D would have been started 1,2 or 5 years ago…may be more than that…
After using a 808 for 2 weeks, I don’t think symbian can’t make a comeback. Only thing it need is some good apps.
“If no one is buying them, it doesn’t make much sense to manufacture them.”
People are still buying symbian. Last quarter sales figure proved that. It makes very much sense to make symbian. Simply they can’t run such a big company by selling 1-2 million lumias and few feature phones. They have to manufacture symbian devices until they have a healthy lumia sells figure which is very hard to achieve…
I meant that there is not much point in bringing new Symbian devices to the market, since there isn’t really anything new to be offered over the current handsets on the market. Well, maybe a cheaper “PureView Lite” could generate some additional interest, but I wouldn’t bet on seeing one…
Are you kidding? Symbian is dead. No comeback possible, because Symbian is a sideloading enabled OS from a different business model.
That means negligible recurring revenue for Nokia. Just think how much money you spent on Symbian apps. ~30% of that goes to Nokia. Meaning 30% of almost nothing. Unlike Android or iOS, where the apps make money for the mothership.
That is why Nokia is still flirting with Nokia Reading books app, Music, etc. for in app purchase under Windows Phone 7. When Windows Phone 8 kicks in, Nokia will make more from Navteq maps with every WP8 device.
In Symbian we are used to not paying, or paying very little. I’m sure future Symbian newcomers will take a look at the poor app selection, and put away their wallet, too.
That’s not strictly true, since the 605 was leaked months ago and almost certainly runs Symbian. A different matter is whether it will be launched or not; probably not, but still, it did exist and was even assigned a model number.
I have a feeling that the leaked 605 is actually the meltemi device. Apparently, there’s no news with the 605. So it’s cancelled?
It’s an N9 successor with Samsung’s 5450 processor and PureView.
I wish…….
Ohhh if it is i’m pissed…. just got the 808. Loving the 808 but would have loved a meego with pureveiw
BB5 is Symbian and has been. And updated firmware or color variants don’t get new internal names. So, the 2 are Symbian devices, that have not been released.
No one official at Nokia has out and said they will never produce another symbian device. Just dsmobile, which by all of his post since the announcement of the cuts, is broken and no longer a reliable source of information.
“BB5 is Symbian and has been.”
That’s wrong!
“And updated firmware or color variants don’t get new internal names.”
That’s correct.
“So, the 2 are Symbian devices, that have not been released.”
What makes you sure about? You might be totally wrong!
NokiaPort.de
my nokia c3 and my 6300 are bb5!!
and BB5 is?
Base Band 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Band_5). A quick Google shows that these could well be S40 unfortunately.
Sorry for the messed-up copy-paste…
Baseband-5 Phones: 2700 Classic , 2730 Classic , 3109c , 3110c , 3120c , 3250 , 3500c , 3600s , 3610 Fold , 3710 Fold , 3720 Classic , 5130 XpressM , 5200 / 5200b , 5220 XpressM , 5230 XpressM , 5300 / 5300b , 5310 / 5310b , 5320 , 5500 , 5530 XpressM , 5610 , 5630 XpressM , 5700 , 5730 XpressM , 5800 , 6085 / 6086 , 6110n , 6120c , 6121c , 6124c , 6125 , 6126 / 6133b , 6131 / 6133 , 6131 (NFC) , 6136 , 6151 , 6208 Classic , 6210n , 6212c , 6220c , 6233 , 6234 , 6260 Slide , 6263 , 6267 , 6270 , 6280 / 6288 , 6282 , 6290 , 6300 , 6300i , 6301 , 6303 Classic , 6500 Classic , 6500 Slide , 6555 , 6600 Fold , 6600 Slide , 6630 , 6650 Fold , 6680 , 6681 , 6682 , 6700 Classic , 6710 Navigator , 6720 Classic , 6730 Classic , 6760 Slide , 6790 Surge , 7210c , 7310c , 7370 , 7373 , 7390 , 7500 , 7510c , 7610c , 7900 , 8600 , 8800 arte , E50 , E51 , E52 , E55 , E60 , E61 , E61i , E62 , E63 , E65 , E66 , E70 , E71 , E72 , E75 , E90 , N70 , N71 , N72 , N73 , N75 , N76 , N77 , N78 , N79 , N80 , N81 , N82 , N85 , N86 , N90 , N91 , N92 , N93 , N93i , N95 , N95 8GB , N96 , N97 , N97 Mini , X3 , X6
The list is not comprehensive, but clearly there are some S40 phones there as well.
See: http://www.nokiaport.de/index.php?pid=dct
NokiaPort.de
And it is not in english
If you see a header that says “Nokia BB5″ followed by a long list of Nokia device names, you can’t read that because the page is not in english?
I can put another model to the list of upcoming phones:
Model: Nokia 309, Type: RM-843
Btw. Similar types is no indicator for similar models!
NokiaPort.de
Nokia 308 also exists since it appears in the list of supported devices for the Nokia Browser. It will probably be similar to 309, though.
Remember Prasenjit mentioned that we’ll have to wait a few months to see what Nokia has been doing with the smarterphone os?
i had forgotten about smarterphone.
And ya, I could be very wrong about them being new Symbians. I didn’t look that far into base band 5, just a page that associated EPOC and NOS with BB5
Is Nokia Connection same as Nokia World?
It is separate: for example last year N9 was presented in Nokia Connection and Nokia World was much later.
Nokia connection has been organized in Asia – the last years as part of Asian fair. That event already took place.
there is a good chance for the devices to get cancelled before it sees daylight.
Even though symbian outsells lumia the kind of symbian devices still sells are the E series ones and c5 series.symbian belle devices dont have much sales thanks to nokia for giving 0% promo for i
Nokia Connection didn’t happen this year. It usually takes place the second last/last week of June in Singapore, corresponding with the Asian Fair. But, iirc, the event has already past, and there was no Nokia Connection event on
Probably canceled as a part of the cost savings, just like Nokia World was scaled back to series of smaller events arranged in Helsinki.
At first sight I thought they were 311, 305 and 306 but the new Asha devices have been there…so yeah, maybe some new S40 devices unannounced. But why? Nokia has just announced 3 new Asha S40 devices. Is there any meaning for them to release 3 more phones just weeks later? So let’s hope they are Symbian phones, but don’t be so surprise if they turn out to be WP phones
There are some C2 series devices due for replacement soon, such as the C2-02/06 Touch and Type and the C2-01. There will also be new Asha 300 series phones launched soon; the 308 and 309 have already been leaked, although the specs are completely unknown at this point.
There is still the qwerty keyboard ranges, much like E series, either the slider like E7, N900 or BB type. Although full touch screen smartphones are the most popular, phones with physical keypad still have a demand and has less competition
One thing i want to say is that something will be tried with this phone like unified design same design s40,symbian and WP meltemi.
You mean like the ui?
How do you unify wp and s40 design?
the exact design can’t be same of the wp, s40, and symbian phones as they have different requirements for the physical keys(i am talking about the phone’s design).
They’re not S40 devices OK. As strange as it sounds, there’s a good chance these mystery devices could run Meego Harmattan.
No meego devices are there control your emotions every one.