Video: PR 2.0 Web browser demoed on Nokia C7
A new video has surfaced on youtube of the PR 2.0 update with the browser being showed off on a Nokia C7. The video shows a much improved browser, I still feel some more improvements can be made. The qwerty keyboard also seems to be much better from earlier video’s we have seen
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Good find thanks!
It looks fairly laggy and slow..
If you’ve seen the previous demos, this looks quite a lot better than that. I really hope Nokia will bring it up to the competitors’ browser level
I don’t know if you noticed multi-touch @7:15 when he scrolls webpage with his left thumb then presses menu options with right thumb, does this mean we’ll have multi-touch qwerty??
multitouch on a keyboard is stupid cause everyone types simultaneously
Once I got into the rhythm I can (usually will) miss a few letters because I’m typing fast. So IMO multitouch on a keyboard is a godsend.
no one in the world types with 2 fingers hitting the keys at the same time unless is caps or shift or fn other then that nope it’s unneeded
What the hell!? What if some do!?
In Landscape Qwerty I still type with two fingers and I also have the problem, that the keyboard is reacting incredibly slow, so that sometimes it even screws up the order of my typed letters…
Oh look, another Nokia fanboy who doesn’t want to admit that a feature not found on Nokia’s is a good thing to have. Let me guess, this all stems from you not wanting Nokia to become like the others?
Seriously I don’t get you… Where did I say that!?
Sorry screwed up while reading
Yeah, looks terrible in this vid, but I am sure it will be better in the final version. With sure I mean sure as in I know.
Possible that this is a mere graphics peel without the new webkit engine in place?
This is definitely old javascript performance
This is definitely the old S60WebKit Engine, the only one so far with access to Flash Lite.
The new QT WebKit Browser wasn’t announced to be published along PR2.0.
If you want a glance at the QT Browsing experience, go ahead, download Pixelpipes Google Apps, create a gmail acc or use yours and send yourself a link to some sites inside an email. From there you will see how fast the new Browsing experience is
Ugh, so Qt webkit still isn’t in PR2.0? Major fail IMHO.
Even when QT browsing is available through 3rd party apps.
What!? Of course QTWebKit 4.7.2 will be on final PR 2.0 just like QT 4.7.2 and QTMobility 1.1.1 will be. Just not any browser actually employing it. Be happy or do you want the browsing experience from the video to be the one later enabled by QT?
it looks alot better than the current browser, cant w8 for the new split screen keyboard.
I wont see that much difference compared to the old one. Is that really all they can do to it in 4-5 months?
See JFH comment above.
Interface is much usable. However performance is still the same as the current browser.. Though since this browser is seperate from the firmware itself i guess its safe to assume nokia has set aside a small team dedicated on improving the browser?
Also i noticed the flash version is 4.0. Considering youtube videos still lags badly on flash lite 4.0, does it means that N8′s hardware is incapable of running flash 10.x? Else we can hopefully get a browser update in the future that has flash player 10.x..
Flash 10.x need +1GHz processor
Where did you pick that up?!
not 1 GHZ.. Just an ARM cortex A8 just like N900′s.
It’s better but still suffers from static loading.
Considering that the sites loaded are quite content heavy i think it’s performing pretty well. The lag is what you will experience if the page isn’t completely loaded.
Which persist still from the current Web browser.
after watching quite a few PR 2 videos of Symbian 3 i can safely say elop has done the right thing to go with WP7. software isnt their thing. its time they gave up and decided to stick to what they do best. and dont get me wrong im a big symbian fan. im yet to use a non-symbian smartphone as my primary phone but its a fact that they cant beat apple and google alone. maybe with microsoft they can. power to MS-NOK
That’s exactly what I thought as well. And I’m a Symbian user too, love the N8 for what it offers, but also hate it for what it offers from time to time.
A full on (modern, not S40 style) OS is not Nokia’s forte. Super nifty apps however they are very good at, just look at BetaLabs. And that’s their added value compared to Samsung etc.
But leaving the core OS for someone else to develop is a very good strategy.
On the contrary Rant, the core OS is packed with functionality and light on the hardware, unlike your more modern OS of choice which is light on functionality and runs on more expensive hardware.
The microB browser of the N900 is quite good from what I hear, so Nokia can do a decent browser. Of course, Nokia being Nokia, they port that over to Symbian.
I meant to say “Of course, Nokia being Nokia, they *didn’t* port that over to Symbian”
Hmm, I don’t know, but I didn’t say anything about the core of Symbian and what is has. What I do mean is that SW design is not Nokia’s forte.
Designing an OS has 2 parts, the technology side and the user side. The user wants easy acces and wants it to function properly. The technology side is the business end, the side that houses all the functions. Nokia or Symbian is pretty well equiped in that department with some nifty things.
However as a long time Symbian user even I find myself wandering through several menus before setting up some basic things like how the navigation is allowed to achieve a location. Another example; if someone with a different Symbian device asks me how to set some things up I sometimes can’t even help because the entire menu is different from what I have had over the years.
It’s all nice to have the features an N8 for example has. But if a user won’t use them because of horrid decision made in how to acces them that is a fail IMHO.
It’s not like Nokia didn’t have the time to change that. 3 years to adress that. And don’t come with the: Qt based UI changes everything, S3 is already better, because it doesn’t matter.
If you have had 3 years or actually even 4 (iPhone launch 2007) to come up with great UI decisions (that you could just copy anyway Android) you aren’t good at making an OS.
Rant says:
March 17, 2011 at 7:23 pm
“But leaving the core OS for someone else to develop is a very good strategy.”
Rant says:
March 17, 2011 at 9:35 pm
“Hmm, I don’t know, but I didn’t say anything about the core of Symbian and what is has.”
I think you did.
Now, I agree that Nokia is slow, but I don’t blame the developers, I squarely blame management. And as I said, in it’s current state, for *me* Symbian >> WP7. There are things that WP7 does better, there a great many that it doesn’t do. At all.
And when it its its many restrictions/limitations, voluntary or otherwise, that’s where fluid transitions, ease of use, modern OS, yadda yadda yadda can’t prevent it to fall fkat on its face.
“If you have had 3 years or actually even 4 (iPhone launch 2007) to come up with great UI decisions (that you could just copy anyway Android) you aren’t good at making an OS.”
There is something that I should add. I bashed Nokia management a lot but, I know the rationale behind the slow evolution of the Symbian interface. It’s to facilitate the migration path S30 -> S40 -> S60 -> S^1 -> S^3.
The WP7 inteface could be a completemy alien and unfamiliar interface after years of a certain design language.
Or they could copy Maemo (another Nokia OS from which Android borrowed).
I wonder what if the migration path is necessary. I understand that for some it could be usefull. But I have 2 S40 phones here 1 a little bit older than the other (one could be S30 don’t know)
Anyway, one looks like my 3310 from 1999 but with a color display in terms of OS and the other does look a lot like S60v3. Migrating from that S40 to S60v3 I understand. But movind from that to v5 or S3 is different IMHO.
The whole touch paradigm is so different for people that are used to buttons so there already is a break. Even I had to get used to the touch UI and I’m young and never even used S40.
I understand that Nokia feared losing loyal customers with a change of UI with touch coming in.But that fear kind of backfired with v5 and S3 in terms of UI.
And I agree that WP7 hasn’t got the functionality that Symbian has. HDMI out and USB OTG are some neat features. However that shouldn’t be hard to implement in WP7.
A bigger omission is the multitasking use it a lot and would be missed in WP.
Appearance, functionality and features look great. Performance leaves a lot to be desired.
Performance in this video is a lot better than the earlier one..
lol at how hopelessly bad that is, just atrocious.
And they were working on it like half a year.
I’m understanding Elop’s decision more and more with each PR2.0 video.
Just go WP7, Nokia’s software development department is hopeless, they can’t make good software.
@Cod3rror
I think we all get your point. No matter which forum I read, I always find your negative posts about Nokia and how they failed, failed to deliver updates etc. For God’s sake, give them a chance to release it, then judge it.
But we get it, you HATE Nokia
Heh, I used to be a HUGE Nokia fan, I have all their best phones N82, N95, N86 but after that they went down and down, disappointment and disappointment, I’ve lost all hope in Nokia.
They are done, simple as that.
+1 to michael.
you like going around say how sucky nokia is. geee.
Nokia has had numerous chances to deliver.
2007: iPhone came along, Nokia didn’t do much.
2008: iPhone 3G, Nokia brings the ever flawed N96 as an answer and as a succesor to the legendary N95 but in terms of HW it is a major downgrade.
Same time frame Android comes to market.
2009: Android gaines a little traction, iOS is soaring with the launch of the 3GS. Nokia launches the N97 with a lot of noise only to see that it’s a major lemon.
2010: S3 is announced, launches only in september after delays. N8 finally materializes in october. Apple launches iPad and iPhone 4 in the same year, Android is launched on a gazillion phones in that year. Yet Symbian is changed for the better and significantly yet UI remains the same even some core apps remain unchanged.
In the most favourable situation for Nokia they had 2 years to come up with something refreshing and new. Be it Symbian or whatever OS and they had nothing.
But they actually had even longer, 3/4 years to see what was happening and to change their course.
But I guess it’s all due to how Nokia works. No more risktaking, not going with the trends (strong point btw I like it but not if you ignore it for 2.5 years)
In a nutshell; it’s not like Nokia didn’t have the chance to prove itself. PR2.0 is what S3 should have launched with and it could have been possible. Than we would have PR3.0 in this summer the latest and Symbian might have had a longer life even.
“Be it Symbian or whatever OS and they had nothing.”
Maemo.
It’s better than anything any other mobile phone company have come up with. So your argument doesn’t hold water. Nokia can make something refreshing and new.
The problem is, Nokia management was/is full of idiots. And then they try to fix things by bringing in an even bigger idiot, Elop. The dark Friday February 11, the Microsoft deal and everything around it is a perfect example of him being a total moron.
before Elop.. nokia was already in deep sh*t. so dont blam symbian foundation. its just the management and tech team taking the company down.
“before Elop.. nokia was already in deep sh*t. so dont blam symbian foundation. its just the management and tech team taking the company down.”
Seriously, I think that this notion that Nokia was in deep s*it is overblown. Yes, profits has fallen because of an increased competition (in quality and numbers).
That said, Nokia Handset and Services division brought back in 2009 and 2010 more than $4 billion yearly in profits.
Do you know what Apple, Nokia and RIM have in common? They are the 3 biggest money makers in smartphones, and uncannily, they also control their own platform, they are in charge of their own destiny.
Well, Nokia was.;)
blame the friggin symbian foundation for not doing anything for 3 years remember nokia really had nothing to do with the symbian foundation cause they didn’t really own it and wasn’t controlling the speed and development of symbian……why do you think they took it back cause the fuckers where doing nothing with it
you guys are all talking crap. Symbian sales have been growing MASSIVELY every year. Meanwhile iphone market share has been falling for some time. Android’s growth rate has been mainly because it had such small sales.
Symbian is technically the best OS and UI good as the rest. WinPho has good UI but very little else going for it.
The entire market grew massivly as well, quite obvious Symbian grew with the market. But if I recall correctly it didn’t grow as fast as the market.
How is growth explained by small sales of android? If i have a vegetable shop and sell 1 carrot and the next day I will sell a hundred because of the one I sold the day before?
Correct. Igonre Smith. As usual he hasn’t a clue.
Symbian’s absolute market share is falling, Android’s rising and the iPhone’s is static.
Reality. It’s a bitch.
@Rant
No, what I think he meant is going from 1 to 2 (product A) is easier than going from 10 to 20 (product B), and yet both represent 100% increase of sales.
If product grows by less than 10 and by more than 1, it’s losing market share even if in absolute numbers, the gap has increased.
So market share can mask certain realities.
Exactly. Which is what plenty of other experts have said too. As usual I’m proven correct. Again
Except you actually aren’t. We’re talking about absolute market share, not rate of growth.
If you don’t know the difference betwen the two then don’t comment.
Symbian market share is still decreasing Q-on-Q and with the analysis of Tomi Ahonen about OPK buying marketshare with bargain prices for operators it doesn’t really say that Symbian is strong in the market right?
@Smith/Roger/Tinkle/Decent/Ninja: Arrogance is not a virtue.
“I’m understanding Elop’s decision more and more with each PR2.0 video.
Just go WP7, Nokia’s software development department is hopeless, they can’t make good software.”
Meh. WP7 would be a massive downgrade for me. I think that Symbian >> WP7.
Of course, for you to understand that you have to understand that not everybody has the same requirements/wants in mobile OS than you or Mr Elop.
It does not resize the page to fit on the mobile like all nokia,s
one word. Just horrible.
wait that makes 2 words
Can anyone tell when is pr2.o is coming?
Well, you can’t polish a turd
so wrong!!!
Mythbusters can!!!
Nice one
when will this be available in the philippines?
Can anyone tell me why is C7′s screen more touch sensitive than N8′s? Just got N8, been playing with C7 for last 3 months. There is big difference.
Do you think PR2 will make it better (N8′s sensitivity)?
The problem with the video is that the guy doesn’t know what he’s doing. He tries to navigate through the site when the site still hasn’t finished loading. Of course then the browsing experience is a mess. Using wifi might have helped…
Also he loads for example the heavy desktop site of Engadget wich is full of Flash, big photos etc. That’s why iPhone, WP7 or Android got special Engadget mobile sites because the desktop site just sucks on any mobile browser.
Well, this doesn’t seem to bad but it’s still inferior to other platforms.
Luckily at least a beta of Opera 11 will be released at CTIA. They just need to add pinch to zoom and I won’t be changing browsers in quite while.
I don’t really care about Flash.
Any rumor on PR 2.0 availability… It sounds good, it should be soon…
this browser’s completely fucked up. I don’t see any cause to stick to n8 now. It’s pathetic. I can’t see any improvement at all in the quality of browsing. And we can only create 3 tabs!!! This ain’t good.
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