Nokia 800/SeaRay to ‘only’ cost €499?
With Nokia World 2011 just a little over a week away, one can expect more and more details about Nokia’s WP line up to emerge. Unfortunatly though we can’t bring you any juicy news about a new device, press renders or even a leaked hands on video with any of the upcoming Nokia Windows Phones.
What news we do have for you today is some more insight in that list of phones from Italian carrier Tim. A release in November was already rumoured because of that list, but now the people from plaffo.com noticed a little more in the list. All phones are listed according to price rather than name or brand.
The highest prices are reserved for the upcoming iPhones and on the bottom end we see the Nokia 700 and a HTC Wildfire S. Prices for that mystery Nokia Windows Phone 7.5 device are blocked by a nice black bar, but if we were to look at the price above and below it is fairly easy to assume that this Nokia phone will retail for around 499 euros.
Is this cheap? We don’t know, after all the specs are unknown. Noteworthy is the presence of the Samsung Omnia W in that list for only 349! euros. I don’t want to sound like Elop, but Samsung could have a winner on its hands if the Omnia W were to cost that.
Whatever the future Nokia Windows Phones might cost, price will be a key factor for the succes of Nokia’s offering. Smaller margins now could give Nokia a solid base with their Windows Phones. Priced too high and people might tend to get something more proven like an Android device.
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- Nokia 800C : Review and Price Update | April 11, 2012
Nice price tag on the N9, thanks Nokia!
No shit, but don’t worry they’re willing to sell you a WP7 phone at cost. Another win for Microsoft I guess. Nokia you suck.
That Omnia W looks to kill Nokia 800 right away It looks to be almost identical to SeaRay and still cost much over 100 euros less.
Yeah, Nokia can’t afford to have their launch phone blown away by Samsung’s mid range offering, let alone the HTC Titan.
Comparing titan to this? Look at it’s price + I think you know the deal when you put omnia w and the sea ray next to each other
Omnia W will look like something your ugly cousin with no taste would buy. WP7 needs a really good looking phone. Samsung isn’t bringing that.
Actually, the Omnia W is a lot more visually appealing than the Sea Ray (from what’s been leaked). Symmetry is a big deal, and the Omnia W has it, and even has the hard lines that go with the Metro look. The Sea Ray has a look that fits better with squircles than Metro, and the screen will be off centre in landscape mode, which is a bit of a pain for playing games. The rounded sides also make for a poor camera button (which is why the N9 is screen only). If you’re going to use a camera button, it should be able to be used as well as on a dedicated camera. The Sea Ray simply has too thin of an edge to do it properly.
As a device it will be full of compromise. Really it would have been better to leave the N9 alone, and just take the camera over to Windows Phone, while designing the rest of the phones from the ground up to work with Windows Phone’s requirements and features. Get a more angular look (like the 603), have the screen symmetrical for both portrait and landscape. Properly separate the hard keys from the screen so you don’t accidentally brush against them.
The Omnia W has that all right. The Sea Ray doesn’t. Some of the other leaked phones on the other hand do. I’m hoping Nokia has had some sense and just keeps the Sea Ray as a prototype phone that didn’t make it. It would show more respect to the N9 that way.
@migo…I agree? I hate that Samsung recycled the look from the Omnia 7, but it’ll do. I think it is somewhat reminiscent of the DVP with regards to the angles, and I really liked the design of the DVP.
I hope Nokia really does give WP exclusive designs; I like the design of the N9/SeaRay shell, but it’s disappointing that WP has to share many of their phone shells with their conterparts be it Android, Bada, etc. With that said, I understand it from an economic pov regarding production costs.
Still, hoping that WP get high end, exclusive phone designs from Nokia.
Like I said, some people do have taste and some not
If you prefer the asymmetric layout that the Sea Ray has, you’re the one who’s lacking in taste.
Taste is difficult. But if the Sea Ray is ANYTHING even close to N9. The Omnia W is one ugly comparison to dig up. NOT CLOSE.
One should notice that the 349 EUR shown for Omnia W seems to be a special discounted price. At least that is how I would interpret the comment “PROMO SELL IN!!” that is included for the Samsung models “Omnia W” and “Wave 3″, and for those only, in the price list.
What remains to be seen is whether this indicates a broader price war by Samsung or if it is just an isolated incident.
That’s a good point. Hard to know exactly what’s going on here without more details.
Purposely the trojan prices a permium for N9. The similar looking SeaRay costs much less…. Hes gonna pay for this some day… Elop will definately pay a price for killing innovation!
N9 is priced higher to pay for the support it will get until 2015. Nokia will probaby still lose money on the N9 over the course of the coming years.
Trojan prices? N9 64GB is cheap as dirt for what you get. Of course they have to slash the prices of WP phones no one would get them otherwise.
-”Of course they have to slash the prices of WP phones no one would get them otherwise”
Yeah because everyone out there hates live-tiles. What are you smoking dude?
At least the same thing you do….
Cause we all know wp7.5 phones are selling like there is no tomorrow, a few more days and the iPhone4s outsells all of the wp7+7.5 phones ever sold, heck I think that in this quarter Nokia N9 can outsell all of the wp7 sells in the same quarter.
“I think that in this quarter Nokia N9 can outsell all of the wp7 sells in the same quarter”
I would be very pleasantly surprised, but that seems highly unlikely.
Same here. A couple million sales would be pretty sweet, but that’s assuming they even made that many.
Huh? ‘much less’
The N9′s official price is €480 for the 16GB and €560 for 64GB +tax.
From that scan it appears the ‘Nokia Windows Phone’ is €499+tax. ie. it’s MORE EXPENSIVE.
> Priced too high and people might tend to get something more proven like an Android device.
Correction:
Priced too high and people might tend to get something more proven, with many more and better features and more apps like a Symbian Belle device.
Symbian Belle isn’t proven at all, and certainly won’t have more apps. The original statement was correct, particularly when you’re talking about MIUI.
…which most people can’t get their hands on… I don’t even know where to get a new Belle phone from once they come out in the US. My guess is that it’s impossible.
I was waiting for a high end symbian belle phone that’s rumored to be coming down the pipes, but so far we’ve heard nothing — the worst part being that I wouldn’t even know where to throw my money once it’s released if it even exists..
my point: there is only one possible outcome if they’re priced too high.
@reptile…Where have you been – The U.S. telecoms ARE NOT interested in anything Symbian. T-Mobile took pity, and offered the Astound; but that’s it, and will be it for Symbian devices on a carrier in the U.S. You can get the Astound, and install Belle once it is released, if you want Belle.
It’s possible that Amazon might carry a newer Symbian device, but they still have the N8 and E7. Amazon just upped the price of the N8 by $10 to $389.00 but they have not replenished their stock; and they sold out of the few orange N8′s that they had. So for now, these are you only choices.
There’s always Expansys, I guess
That’s my point… there’s no way to get a Symbian phone. Ergo, Ninja’s point doesn’t make sense for a lot of customers.
“Is this cheap? We don’t know, after all the specs are unknown. Noteworthy is the presence of the Samsung Omnia W in that list for only 349! euros. I don’t want to sound like Elop, but Samsung could have a winner on its hands if the Omnia W were to cost that.”
Elop will be pleased, after all, he wants Samsung to do well with Windows Phones, he said so himself.
Just the reason I put it in there.
my favorite troll is back
“my favorite Elop detractor is back
”
There, fixed that for you.
You’re definitely a troll if you always detract from Elop, there’s more to Nokia than one man.
“You’re definitely a troll if you always detract from Elop”
How so? Since when dissent automatically brands you as a troll?
For the sake of discussion, let’s assume I’m one, since some of you can’t help yourselves with arguing ad hominem.
Does my trollish nature change the fact that Elop said that he would like to see Samsung do well with WP7.
“there’s more to Nokia than one man”
Sure. And?
Going after Elop for every little thing is definitely trolling. It’s senseless. Or just plain stupid. You might not agree with what he did, but if you have half a working brain you know he didn’t really have much choice.
“Going after Elop for every little thing is definitely trolling. It’s senseless. Or just plain stupid.”
You and those like minded don’t have to like, or even *read* my trolling, senseless or just plain stupid posts where I point out Elop’s actions.
“You might not agree with what he did, but if you have half a working brain you know he didn’t really have much choice.”
Of course he did. I guess it means that I don’t have half a working brain.
Maybe that’s what prevents me from understanding the brilliance of chucking one of the biggest installed base OS and bet the farm on a platform that went from “very small to very small”, or to understand the smartness of killing your current product with no replacement in hand.
I suppose that my lack of half a functioning brain prevents me to debate with arguing ad hominem.
You are so dumb and so stupid yourself.
We do not know anything about it but the number 800 indicates a rather high-end device. The Omnia W on the other hand is a mid-range one. I think it is better to compare the 800 to the Samsung Focus S (we haven’t seen that either but we expect it to cost much more than 500 euros)
You’re right, but also not right. There isn’t much differentiation of the specs, and since the N9 camera is good, but not awesome, if the Nokia 800 is the Sea Ray, it’ll be going against other phones with good, but not awesome cameras, and given the likely 3.7″ screen size, it’ll be squarely against the Omnia W for features.
Only thing it has is 5 band HSPA, while the Omnia W only has 2 band, so it’s only going to be competing against the Omnia W in two markets.
OMG!!! €500! Youth is not gonna pay for this highly priced tag just like n9, someone said “Nokia wp will develop to reach €100 for a device” lololz,
i’m sure there will be cheaper wp phones too, relax
If illiterate ELOP continues like this with high price tag, Nokia will fall! I as a symbian user will gradually fall in love to Andriod and end up with her!
all smartphones are expensive when they first launch. A few months later it will be cheaper
Launching cheap would certainly shake things up though. Take the first run at a bit of a loss, or close to cost, and keep the prices the same as production ramps up to bring manufacturing costs down.
More interesting thing would be, that is it worth even that. Presently, based on rumors and general WP7 specs, I find iPhone 4S better deal and I’m also keeping my eye on this nights Android unveilings(Motorola was one of the dullest shows I have ever seen though).
I wouldn’t pay 500 Euro for anything. $300 for the DVP was good after 1 year, so $450 at launch would be OK. Hell, $499 would be acceptable, but going to Euros is close to half again as expensive. Too much by any standard, unless like the Fujitsu IST-12 it’s also waterproof.
Cheap?
The N8 was €390 at launch. How could this be anywhere close to cheap?
The quotes around only show that the author didn’t think it was cheap.
I don’t recall correctly, but wasn’t that the price before taxes and the lot? The alleged price here is what a carrier would charge probably even including taxes considering the nice rounded prices.
I bought mine for $540 (retail price) in the first week of launch. Unlocked
Seems like a decent price tag for Europe. The 800 is competing on the high-end, not the middle, and while it would be priced high as a mid-market phone it’s dirt cheap as a WP7 flagship compared to SGS2, iPhone, etc.
Doesn’t mean people will buy it though – WP7 sucks and software, not hardware, is the driving force behind sales.
WP7 is great, just based on everything leaked on the Sea Ray it’ll be underwhelming. Nokia needs to launch with the best camera possible, and forget everything else.
Would really like Dual Core in WP7..
I wouldn’t. It’s just a waste of battery juice given how efficient Windows Phone is. Besides, it’s also best if Windows Phone only does a major upgrade like that every 2 years.
When I bought my 2nd Gen iPod touch I expected that the 4th gen iDevices would have similar CPU and RAM specs to the 3rd Gen one, so I’d get 3-4 years out of it before it became obsolete. From that point though they did a major jump (armv6 to armv7, 600MHz to 1GHz, 1 core to 2 cores) each generation, resulting in much quicker obsolesence.
If the new crop of Windows Phones launch with ~512MB RAM and 1GHz-1.5GHz single core processors, that means the original crop will be able to run Windows Phone 8 well enough (even if WP8 devices launch with dual core SOCs), and that means that any Windows Phone you buy will remain useful for a minimum of 2 years, and 4-5 years on the extreme for people who aren’t power users.
That strongly contributes to the value proposition of Windows Phone as a platform, and looking at my N95 8GB that I gave to my brother, the good sound quality, radio and camera mean it has quite a bit of longevity. It’s even nicer if everything gets optimised so it’s still useful as a smartphone as well.
I want 1080p recording.
Won’t happen with this generation, and isn’t really that crucial, more screens these days only properly support 720p anyway.
Well iOS and Android are doing fine with it.
Screen has nothing to do with it, or else WP7 wouldn’t record above 480p.
It’s about other screens. Most laptops sit at 1280×800 or 1366×768. A good chunk of HDTVs are also still only 720P, unless you start going above $1000. 1080p recording isn’t really worth much when most people still don’t have 1080p screens to view it on. 720p is fine, and will be for quite some time.
I just want a good camera.. Fixed focal lengths and crappy sensors are keeping phones from being good camera replacements, not video resolutions.
Quite true, 640×480 on the N95 was plenty good, and while higher resolutions are nice, they’re not that necessary.
The price of n9 in ma country (niigeria) is too high and I can’t see myself buying it despite how much I love the phone that said am considering android no windows phone for me
then go to an android blog instead. I’m sure they’ll welcome you with open arms. We’ll be just fine without you and …ya country
No need to be a dick.
feel free to follow him too. i’ll be here defending WP from trolls whether they come from nigeria, antarctica or mars
He’s on your side for crying out loud!
Just a little ‘mod’ break so to speak. There is obviously a little battle between Symbian fans and WP fans and that’s allright. It makes for some nice conversations at times.
But please do try to refrain yourself from any personal attacks, no matter what platform you support. Thanks!
@Harangue Personally I never participate in the comments of symbian/meego articles because i respect their preferences. I really do. Some of them however (yasu, ninja, ..) enter WP territory causing these flame wars.
Unacceptable.
Mutual respect people
I don’t think he was trolling, he was genuinely disappointed that it was too expensive for him. I am too, otherwise I’d be importing an N9 in addition to picking up a WP model. As is, I’ve only got money for one.
in that picture has no information about is it 800 or not?
True, it could be the 703 as well. There was the rumored ACE phone, but the specs were dubious, so I’d say for the moment we’re only looking at 703/800 Sabre/Sea Ray, and at 500 euros it had better have the 8MP camera.
No way will a 7xx be priced that high. Should be around the same as 700 and 701. 8xx-series should be about 100€ more (+some depending on the model).
That’s a reasonable explanation.
I really wish they wouldn’t give this phone a number name.
I know sea ray is internal name for it, but i happened to think it would be the best named phone nokia ever had.
I also wish it had a 3.9 display, yes it’s only .2 from the n9, but it’s also only .2 above a 3.5. 3.9=worthy upgrade, 3.7=not so much.
Its gotta be cheaper than that AND have better camera than N8. Otherwise Nokia WILL get bad press and catastrophic sales, which leads to even worse press and plummeting sales.
Now its the era of dual core processors. Dual core is a minimum requirement in top phones. No matter how well WP7 runs, its software is rudimentary and games look simple plain. Games are also too rare, which s not helped by general WP7 sales.
Nokia is in deep shit. MS has nothing to worry, it has other sources of income and WP8 is just around the corner. Nokia needs something now.
Cheaper than the N8 at launch, yes, cheaper than the N8 now, no. Better camera would be nice, but even the same camera would be good enough.
N8 would have good enough camera to destroy its competitors cameras, but not good enough for destroying the Nokia Stigma and getting people to buy its phones again.
Better than N8 camera is must, as is either dual core procesossor with decent GPU(the current Qualcomm GPU is not decent), or very attractive price. “Only 500€” is not nearly attractive enough for letting that Elop-tastic benefit of destroying the much wanted Meego show.
Nokia is in between rock and a hard place, an obsolete WP7 and too distant WP8.
There would be other, even more startling features than a processor, but they are even less probable.
Going dual core or having a better GPU than the Adreno 205 wouldn’t make a difference. Having a better camera would, but it’s also worth noting that people can’t figure the N8 camera out, and are rating it worse than the 4S and N9, so perhaps Nokia has the right idea by going for something that’s easier to use and provides more consistent results for people who aren’t sure what they’re doing than targeting power users who likely have their own dedicated cameras anyway.
wow, that means we can now just nokia fate when nokia world announces windows phones!!!!
i dont expect nokia wp7 to sell well!
iphone 4s- 4 millions unit sold in just one week!!!!
Expensive! Flop!
I really wish Nokia / Microsoft, will make some impressive demo-apps that really showcase the capapilities of the phone(heavy 3D rendering for example), otherwise people will just think: “I can get a dualcore for the same price”.
Actually, they should do quite the opposite. The best thing they can do is distance themselves from specs and go all about the OS features. That’s what Apple’s been doing and it has worked quite well, although their planned obsolescence game is annoying. Having Windows Phone go for the same approach, and make differentiation based on features other than internals will be a strength to the platform.
This will have AT LEAST the specs of the N9 (could be better) and it costs 100€ less.. Right.
Give me any logical explanation other than the N9 was made more expensive on purpose. I bloody hate what Elop did to the N9..You know what is the biggest reason I keep hearing people saying for not buying the N9? The price. If I go to a store where the N9 is sold, chances are that I will hear this; “It is a great phone, but too expensive.”
Thanks, Elop. (or who ever caused this)
I must admit that I’ve had thoughts of infidelity towards Nokia lately, I’m so attracted with HTC Titan that Nokia’s better to show something awesome next week, otherwise my money goes to Taiwan.
Oh Nokia fanboys nothing pleases you right ?!?!?!?
Price it too high they will say Elop is trying to kill Nokia, price it too low they will say Nokia is trying to kill Nokia.
I am getting bored with Nokia fanboys such a childish bunch off people in fact I am getting bored off fanboys of any brand, seriously the amount of time you guys spend defending and slating an OS could have been spent actually doing something worthwhile, at the end of the day these devices are supposed to help us with everyday tasks and there is no denying whatever OS you choose they do that.
The tiny differences you guys are trying proclaim as “advantages” or “disadvantages” are so minimal and frankly hilarious.
Everyone has different tastes and uses there is no point of trying to “convince” something is worse because you haven’t got it.
Seriously people stop being childish you guys are better than this
right rant over
Okay I’m a nokia user have been for years I think the wp7 phones will fail .hen had a winner with the n9 but Elop killeed that HTC and smasung both have twin operating systems but not Nokia.Havetried friends Iphones and I’m not impressed tried a galaxy s2 last night wow what a phone soo much better than a iphone so easy to use Nokia you are dead and buried you have lost me wp7 is crap .
Android is so unoptimized, it’s not even funny. Android becomes quite laggy over time.