Ewan Spence’ real world experience with the Lumia 800
Here’s an interesting watch for the Sunday afternoon. Ewan Spence from All About Windows Phone has been putting a Lumia 800 trough it’s paces in a real world scenario and has been commenting on it in a nice video blog.
The video is pretty much pro WP since the drawbacks are to be discussed in a video yet to come, but there is a key take-away from the video. The ease of use that Windows Phone apparantly brings; first time users can understand how to interact with the device. Why not look at the video below and see for yourself what Ewan has to say about the Lumia 800 and Windows Phone.
A little sidenote, the resemblance between the Lumia 800 and the N9 doesn’t seem to be known amongst the people at the Expo. Could be due to the N9 not being on sale in the US of course, but still.
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Your target audience here only wants to hear about the negatives of Wp. You should delete this post.
create your own blog and write all the negatives you want
Don’t really get sarcasm do you?
Sincere apologies, i took you for another symbian/meego troll
None taken dude.
One has to love the pro WP argumentation rhetoric, “shut up and go some were else”, aka “I really don’t have any other argumentations other than, we need to trust the man because,…. well because we need to even if everything is going wrong.”
Just as we love your ‘constantly post about MeeGo in every WP topic’.
Give it a rest. You’ve made your choice. Allow others to make theirs.
If you’re not going to post relevant stuff, then yeah, shut up. Doesn’t matter what the topic is, the Symbidiots decide to post something about hating Elop.
Lol. Yeah, heavily doubting about posting anything WP related lately. The fun is completely gone from blogging thanks to the shitstorm that ensues on anything WP related.
I think that when I were to post just an image of a blank square or an open window the rage would still ensue.
Very true
Passion and Idiocy, which route will be taken!?
Don’t stop. I’d still read it. I think WP7 is refreshing and I’m actually considering picking one up! I was actually checking out the Windows marketplace and found all the apps or equivalent that I have on my android phone. I really don’t think I’ll be missing out on anything if I switch….as far as my needs go. I can’t speak for anyobe else.
Well it’s pretty simple, people coming from a feature based choice won’t run the WP route just now – maybe later.
For the rest, I guess usability cuts it pretty fair with WP. But there are so many other points of criticism I have with it. Providing such information is crucial, but meh. I’m too lazy right now. Also the discussion is in a rage mode as of now. So I won’t contribute for a while…
There’s no need for discussion. I stated in my post “for my needs” and that I “can’t speak for anyone else.” I fully acknowledge WP’s shortcomings and can understand why people would never go that route. For me, and speaking for myself only, I can live with WP’s shortcomings.
Have you ever thought about WHY the so-called shitstorm issued? Have you given thought to it that it might be somehow justified?
I’m sorry, but making Elop and MS into a victim does not add to your credibility, even if you think it does.
real world experience…?
it’s more like a really long advertisement.
Infortunetely, we Are not stupid
Your post disagrees with that statement.
+1
Personal attacks are the last resort of someone who cannot reply intelligently and civilly.
Oh I can reply intelligently and civilly but, really, why would one choose to waste even the slightest modicum of intellect and kindness on those who don’t appear to understand what those concepts mean?
Pearls before swine and all that.
It wasn’t a personal attack, he was talking about the post, not the person.
what a funny video! Fat,blind and stupid people are main targeted audience of nokia lunatic series phones
I knew i had to put a line in the article about Ewan Spence his history with Symbian as well. The man has been using Symbian for a long time as well and has been reporting on All About Symbian for a very long time as well.
Insulting the man is unnecessary, just because you dislike WP doesn’t mean that Ewan deserves the label you are giving him.
Hey I did not write his name nor i targeted him….but if author of this post thinks that I targeted any particular person in my post then he can delete my post and also if author thinks he is savior of Nokia’s windows phones line up then he can always put comment moderation function so he can delete all negative comments about wp7 before it appears on his wp7 related posts ok
None of your posts even say anything worth reading. My as well as well delete your drivel.
Sorry about any assumption I might have made, but your post reads a bit odd so concluding you’re talking about Ewan is quickly done.
Still though, no need to say that only a certain group of people would buy WP phones.
Regarding deleting comments, we never do actually unless it is really really bad. You and all the others should be free to say what you want.
Just try to be a little more constructive with comments. It makes for a much nicer discussion rather than people just saying this OS is crap or that OS is crap. Give a ‘why it is crap’ and it’s all good.
Why so much anger, what did Balmer or Elop do to you.
Balmer needs to get windows phone recognized and get some market share and have to put it in the top spot thats business, Elop needs to get Nokia back in track before he really needs to implement far reaching future technologies and get a more advanced and future disruptive devices and OS in the market. Both need each other and its a good thing as they have the drive and need to make it to the top. Microsoft will never buy Nokia unless they are going in to hardware business.
Google buying Motorola is a mistake, will know in few years time.
Every OS has a high point and low point, iPhone is at high and how long will people stick to it,i know people who are really getting bored with the same UI. The first adapters of iPhone are no longer on iPhone they have moved on.
People need different things and things change every second, peoples minds are changing fast and its good to have an open mind and see how things turn out.
Not only me…..most of nokia fans and in particular current nokia symbian users hate nokia’s decisions to go with wp7,kill meego,childish moves like first announce death of symbian then later giving it limited life line etc etc
and now suddenly after announcement of lumia series phones…most of nokia bloggers are behaving as if elop has done something magical for nokia fans…!!! while in reality everyone knows that lumia phones are actually just another phones with wp7 os nothing special
Well done for speaking to most Nokia fans. That must have been an amazing feat to accomplish.
I wonder, perhaps, the other people who like Nokias that don’t really know or care about the OS that runs inside as long as it works? Clearly though, people like that don’t exist. The only people who must like Nokia are Symbian users right?
well I haven’t seen any phone brand which “target other os users” as their main priority so as for Nokia “current millions of symbian users(as par gartner etc)should buy new nokia pw7 phones in future” must be main concern….recently symbian belle announcement in September was all about new level of “customization” for millions of nokia users…..various cool NFC accessories and “all future nokia phones will have nfc”,beautifully simple Nokia N9 etc was the kind of hype nokia created about what nokia fans would anticipate from future nokia phones….and there u go…at nokia world event they introduced lumia series with nothing new….most of features seen in current symbian phones are not there in wp7 phones like customization options,wifi tethering,nmass storage mode(not having means 100% dependable on zune) nfc etc etc and current wp7 apps market place dont have neither quantity of apps like android nor quality of apps like apple app store
Cmon jay you admited yourself the Lumia 800 is not the mox exyting phone in the world. Its a 7.8 it’s an ok phone many people might like it but it certenly is not a flagship phone, heven the wp fans admit to that.
And you will have to also admit that most of that is not NOKIA’s foult but rather the underlying OS problems.
C’mon please admit, the path might be right but the way its being taken cant be more wrong… If WP phones are not ready for real competition before the end of next year maybe just maybe, nokia should at least keep on going with what was working and selling in parallel not simply kill it.. That would have been just a litle bit smarter from a nokia POV….
Unless nokia went all in WP to help Microsoft struggling platform gain possible momentum even knowing that it was not ready for at least the next 2 years. Which leads us to conclude that some one had MIcrosoft’s interests come before NOKIAS self interest.
Another example…
The biggest drawback in any N9 review is the lack of future, the guy does not refrain from saying that, would it not be smart to announce the meltemy project as a continuation of maemo6/harmatan, that would partly remove many of the complains and bost sales even more.
N9 sales is are doing great, apparently, even with the limited availability, and some people having a really hard time getting theirs, would it not be a good idea to sell it in all the contries that have a demand for it specialy the large ones, and collect the awesome profits it provides to Nokia. Its a seriously expensive phone in a comparable cheep hardware platform that nokia makes. So huge profits.
>>>>>>”Cmon jay you admited yourself the Lumia 800 is not the mox exyting phone in the world. Its a 7.8 it’s an ok phone many people might like it but it certenly is not a flagship phone, heven the wp fans admit to that.”
Look at the featured post. I have clearly stated it is not the phone for everyone. It is not for folks who want all those features. I know it’s not the true flagship. But it covers the bases it needs to right now which is to deliver a full pleasant user experience for the majority. Please read that post. It also links to an article from the Independent.
Here: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/11/04/the-nokia-lumia-800-rant-it-isnt-for-everyone-but-it-is-an-attractive-option-for-the-majority-and-an-amazing-job-from-nokia/
“C’mon please admit, the path might be right but the way its being taken cant be more wrong… If WP phones are not ready for real competition before the end of next year maybe just maybe, nokia should at least keep on going with what was working and selling in parallel not simply kill it.. That would have been just a litle bit smarter from a nokia POV….”
Erm…as far as I’m aware, they have produced new Symbian Belle phones that have been on Sale or will soon be on sale? 603, 700, 701? There is also some more neat Symbian phones coming next year? If they had simply killed it, they wouldn’t bring it to market at all.
“The biggest drawback in any N9 review is the lack of future, the guy does not refrain from saying that, would it not be smart to announce the meltemy project as a continuation of maemo6/harmatan, that would partly remove many of the complains and bost sales even more.”
With or without the move to WP, how quickly could Nokia have attained the developers to put MeeGo environment where it needed to be? How much different would the app story have been?
Where would the app interest have come from? It was promising at the time but no one was able to produce a MeeGo phone (n9 is MeeGo harmattan).
Swipe UI btw isn’t going to disappear. There’s still life in Qt.
The move with WP buys Nokia time to concentrate on hardware and their own future disruptions and services.
“The move with WP buys Nokia time to concentrate on hardware and their own future disruptions and services.”
You’ll have to explain this one to me.
Disrupt themselves, antagonize a part of shareholders, workforce, user base, developers, their smartphone shipments (, -30% in Q2, -37% in Q3 [still +10% in Q1]), hamper the sales prospects of a well received phone (the N9), to sell phones based on an OS whose owners can still bring themselves to disclose sales.
All that to buy some time to get back to the original plan, since I believe they are Qt related?
As John McEnroe said: “You cannot be serious?”
Are you willfully ignorant? Symbian is dead as a modern mobile OS.
I mean have you actually seen the Comscore marksetshare reports in Europe?
Get real.
“Are you willfully ignorant? Symbian is dead as a modern mobile OS.”
Well, with a little help from Elop (who still back pedaled when losses exploded in it’s face”
“I mean have you actually seen the Comscore marksetshare reports in Europe?”
No. They aren’t probably not good. That’s probably what happens when the CEO EOLs a line.
As I said disrupt their smartphone shipments (, -30% in Q2, -37% in Q3 [still +10% in Q1]).
Even RIM who is having a dreadful time, only declined -10%.
But I’m willing to bet you dollars against donuts that BadaOS will outsell WP in Q3. We should know for sure in a week.
And Europe != the World.
“Get real.”
Nah, it’s cool to be imaginary.
“”"”
“Get real.”
Nah, it’s cool to be imaginary.
“”"”
Made my day, the rest too
+1
Yeah, that’s why Symbian’s share has been in decline for the last three years. You know, before Elop took over?
Hi. This is reality calling. Get used to it.
As for this:
“But I’m willing to bet you dollars against donuts that BadaOS will outsell WP in Q3.”
So am I. What has that got to do with the Lumia though?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
Mark wrote:
“Yeah, that’s why Symbian’s share has been in decline for the last three years. You know, before Elop took over?”
Share down, volume up, till Q1 2011.
“Hi. This is reality calling. Get used to it.”
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1689814
Share down, volume up, till Q1 2011.
“As for this:
“But I’m willing to bet you dollars against donuts that BadaOS will outsell WP in Q3.”
“So am I.”
Good.
“What has that got to do with the Lumia though?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?”
You wrote here (http://mynokiablog.com/2011/11/06/ewan-spence-real-world-experience-with-the-lumia-800/comment-page-1/#comment-261563) and I quote:
“Are you willfully ignorant? Symbian is dead as a modern mobile OS.
I mean have you actually seen the Comscore marksetshare reports in Europe?
Get real.”
What does it got to do with Lumia indeed?
Pointless to argue with MS shills. There are at least 5 of them here, all singing in unison. Just ignore them.
@yasu
Yes share down. Volume up but share down.
Share down. That’s share, not volume.
Got it or do you want to pull out other irrelevant comparisons?
Why you then link to my comment about Symbian being a dead OS in justification of my challenge to your comment about Bada and WP in Q3 and what that had to do with the Lumia is beyond me. It’s irrelevant. If you’re going to argue a point you could at least do me the courtesy of staying on track.
@drzorg
MS Shills? Would you care to look at the title of this article and tell me what phone it’s about and what mobile OS it runs?
Now what would you call someone who came into a topic about a particular product and started whining on about how another product is so much better? You know, like you and three or four others do?
Glass houses, stones and all that.
@Mark
“Share down. That’s share, not volume.
Got it or do you want to pull out other irrelevant comparisons?”
It’s very relevant: to calculate share, you’ll have to take into account the volume. Basic algebra at work here.
You said that by pointing to the declining share.
Of course the share will decline since there is competent competition in addition to a greatly increased numbers of competitors.
I agreed that share was down, but I posit that it cannot be dead if the volume is still growing.
You see, volume, as in sales? If the sales are still increasing.
Just to have another vision of the market situation at the time: http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Screen-shot-2011-02-20-at-2-20-11.48.41-PM.png
The platform is burning alright.
“Why you then link to my comment about Symbian being a dead OS in justification of my challenge to your comment about Bada and WP in Q3 and what that had to do with the Lumia is beyond me. It’s irrelevant. If you’re going to argue a point you could at least do me the courtesy of staying on track.”
I’m on track, I answered to you, and your original post to me had no mention of Lumia. If it had, please point it to me.
The ball is in your court.
The fight is not only OS or phone but also include Eco system. WP7 ecosystem is the fastest growing than nay other OS out there at the moment and it is fair on Elop to support WP to grow quicker and faster than starting a brand new ecosysem.
Yes QT is also very important which all of nokia phones will depend in future. Nokia is trying very hard to bring in more developers to QT but it takes time.
Nokia future disruption will be with QT ecosystem and it will be big in few years time.
Nokia N9 is a very good piece of kit with the best OS out there as you right said but it has no ecosystem or not many apps. Do you think if Nokia needs to go only with Meego and symbian then nokia will be dead by next quarter. Nokia is and will try harder to improve the QT ecosystem system for the future.
Symbian will still play a very important role in future and it is still the best feature rich OS out there.
Nokia needs a temporary base to pull it out of the shit it is in and WP is a good bet out there.
Be patience the fruits will show soon. I am a Nokia fan and never liked WP but i do understand the need for nokia and i will definitely give a fair chance for WP.
“(…)Nokia needs a temporary base to pull it out of the shit it is in and WP is a good bet out there.”
But some of the shit they are in is because of the attempted transition to WP.
So they will again do another transition? Look at how it’s working from Win6.x to WP. Windows Mobile/Phones is still shrinking as we speak.
“Be patience the fruits will show soon. I am a Nokia fan and never liked WP but i do understand the need for nokia and i will definitely give a fair chance for WP.”
I understand the need for Microsoft they are running the risk of going from dominant on the desktop to also ran in Mobile.
For Nokia to go through all this, not so much.
Anyway, it makes for good drama.
Every transition takes time and yes it will be in a shit.
Nokia will not make another transition, they will bring the transition.
Nokia and Windows partnership is not long term its time limited. Not sure how many years but when partnership ends its time nokia would have brought a new system in place. People transit depend on the environment and you will too.
Yes every business that connects people closely has a big drama to play and we all are part of it.
“Nokia is trying very hard to bring in more developers to QT but it takes time”
as part of the people that work with Qt I can tell you that NOKIA as in Elops Nokia has not been helping one bit.
Any way all that you say is nice but i would much rather her that withs a specific visible plan from Elops mouth,
And I’m not sure how is nokia Building an ecosystem destroying everything they had.
Ovy store was not great, but it far outsells wp market.
Nokia music is not great, but how great is ZUNE???
the list goes on and on…
Zune was actually pretty awesome up until October. Now it really has nothing on Slacker.
“With or without the move to WP, how quickly could Nokia have attained the developers to put MeeGo environment where it needed to be? How much different would the app story have been?”
Honestly what are you talking about? The OS UX/UI, hardware support, out of the box features? if its that, it is in far better shape than the WP mango…
If its only about apps, then let me remind you that wen nokia made the wonderful announce, WP only add 6500 apps, if nokia wanted apps on the harmattan platform all it had to do was not killing it, heck its has more than I can install right now and all of the things I could desire. (I’m still waiting for some one to point me to one single amazing (you cant live without app) app I’m missing on my N9 that is on WP… in fact I can name a couple of such apps I have in my N9 that are missing on WP, like the FM radio player).
On the same point, what does the N9 have that will sway anyone coming over from Android?
You seem to have made your choice…the N9. But that doesn’t seem enough for you. You are in every WP thread trying to get everyone else to choose the N9. Give it a rest already. Anyone coming to MNB is fully aware of WP shortcommings (and there ARE plenty). You don’t have to post in EVERY WP article trying to prove it’s (the N9′s) superiority. Let people formulate their own opinions about what mobile OS best serves them. This article is informative for those interested in WP (myself included).
By the way, as far as radio goes, WP has Tune In Radio and also a shoutcast app called Streamything. They are both data dependant, though which may be a prob for those without/with limited data plans.
“On the same point, what does the N9 have that will sway anyone coming over from Android? ”
This is the most damning point for everyone who’s criticising the move to Windows Phone. The N9 was going in exactly the same direction, it was just not going there fast enough.
There is a fm radio player in lumia 800
If it’s anything like the one on the N95, it’s a last ditch effort for listening to music, nothing you’d actually want to use most of the time.
kindle app. Office app. Xbox live app. People hub.
Windows still all about th spreadsheet editing
people hub what is that some sort of kinda microsofts facebook thing?
Xnox live app, ok 1 ( dont have a xbox)
kindle app, 2 (well the n9 as plenty of ebook readers)
not much to gain considering what we lose.
Actually, OneNote and Excel on the go are a big, big, deal. If you know how to use Excel well, you can practically write a computer program in it. And note-taking on a phone makes perfect sense.
Office Hub is a huuuuge selling point (with poor Outlook support being a huge WTF?)
People Hub is a much better handling of contacts, it’s not MS’ Facebook, it’s MS’ Synergy (from webOS, if you haven’t been following that).
Xbox Live on the go, pretty awesome too. Girls enjoy playing with the avatar. Even if you don’t have an Xbox, there’s still a lot of good community features with Xbox Live, and games are a big selling point for smartphones. With Xbox Microsoft is the only company that can pull in something to seriously compete with iOS on gaming. Nokia has a few good titles from the N-Gage days, but it’s not enough.
@ Jay
“The move with WP buys Nokia time to concentrate on hardware and their own future disruptions and services.”
Then why does Nokia even bother with trying to make their WPs support other SOC platforms, or as others say, try to influence the next Apollo release, etc etc. if the main reason for going WP was so that Nokia wouldn’t need to worry so much in supporting their own OS. Isn’t that why all those devs were either fired or moved to Accenture in the first place?? How’s that even different from what they were doing with their previous OSs… Sounds like Elop just restructured Nokia so that they could help WP and its ecosystem, not the other way around…
Instead of coming here and insulting ppl who’s opinion on wp7 why don’t you find somebody of similar mind and bash wp7 together?
For instance, going to http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/ will allow you to participate in a world where wp7 is infact the worst piece of shit that ever existed.
Also the guy is kinda retarded, but hey, birds of a feather flock together don’t they?
So I seriously encourage you to head on to that blog, and never never come back.
yours truly ,arts.
I just took a look at that. Man, what a twisted man Tomi has become.
It is absolutely fair to criticise Nokia and WP. But he is omitting detail and twisting perception to satisfy his goal of getting Elop fired.
He rants on about the importance of features, lack of 12mp camera, ff camera, but it’s totally fine of N9 to lack HDMI, USB OTG, MicroSD card (which Lumia also lacks). You can’t go about on some magnificent witch-hunt of feature boasting and whinging because Lumia is missing things Nokia has had before and excuse the N9 because that’s got a Nokia OS inside.
Crying about lack of front facing cameras and Quadband over pentaband? What is the significant impact of the loss here? He says it’s Elop trying to destroy 3G video calling. What?
“After 12 books and with more than 100 other authors quoting me already, I ‘HAVE’ to give ‘MY’ honest view, not cater to what is the public opinion. I would be a fraud otherwise.”
What a load of upselfy bullshit.
Fortunately it seems his commenters see through this duplicity.
Not all of them. But the bitterness and hate that seeps from his most recent Nokia/WP/Elop related posts is just beyond me.
And then when you say such a thing the ’12 times author etc’ thing comes out like that is the be all and end all.
I only read a few. Most likely those comments will be deleted. I’m more inclined to trust Eldar than Tomi.
Haha. I think they both have agendas of their own, out of hate or samsung’s wallet.
Btw, did you guys know that for the iPad when I view your site there is a huge banner that takes up one 5 of the page?
If it was static I’m cool with it but it follows me everywhere and every page refresh brings it back (if I closed it) it seems stretched out of porprotions so I tot maybe it’s some website code issue. Maybe it ain’t supposed to be that big?
Hope you guys found a way to keep the site alive.
Sorry – please contact me at jay@mynokiablog.com – What is this banner? Could you take a screenshot? Does it say who the advert is delivered by?
I have disabled ads that do this, but some may have sneaked through. I am thoroughly annoyed that the ad networks we’ve picked are doing something skanky like that.
wow. Don’t go there on Eldar over Tomi.
Tomi is certainly an angry man, which allows people to more easily discredit everything he writes. While I believe he writes his views way too definitively, he does know the industry.
On the other hand we have the AAS guys (Rafe/Ewan) who are now basically a paid advertisement for WP. They pretend as if the N9 doesn’t exist to the point of losing any integrity they once had.
Basically this blog is the best and fairest for Nokia fans.
Hmmm. I tend to agree with your assessment on aas crew. They have been rather quick to defend any of nokias decisions.
+1 tomi as bitter feeling towards Nokia (he worked there wen Nokia was KING and help bring some of nokia hugest successes), and yes he really knows the industry better than any of us, and yes he is really bitter about wp…dough he as been out of Nokia for a long time..
yes he some times comes out a bit to bitter, unfortunately his predictions tend to be correct, sometimes even to nice for nokia.
Even Engadget loves the N9..
Deathcoder…I am a N8 user, and I do not hate Nokia’s decision to use WP as an operating system.
Yours(and others) hatred towards the decision, Nokia, and Stephen Elop WON’T change the decision. It is set. You’re blood pressure will rise, you internal health will deteriorate, and other degradations will happen within you as long as you continue to harbor hatred (of any kind). So, for you sake, let it go; unless it’s worth it to you to hang onto it. Selah.
Thanks for trolling.
Are insults necessary? Are you so limited that you cannot express your concerns fully in writing and must resort to grunts and insults?
Yes, he is that limited.
+1
Jay btw can you expose the same concerns here about every one that take that path?
Sorry, I’m being dense, what are you asking?
Well if you check above comments, you can see many personal attacks by WP suppporters against other commenters. Would be nice to follow up on your policy there, as well.. I hope you don’t condone a policy of double standards?
Funny, you’ve clearly got a double standard to not recognise your own personal attacks on others.
Windows Phone seems to be good OS
It’s the best. Already light years ahead of iOS and especially LAGdroid.
Best depending on your needs. For some WP would suit them best. For others, it might be the other OSes.
For the market Nokia’s targeting, it presents itself as an excellent choice. That’s not to put Symbian or MeeGo down, just looking at it for it’s own merit. Does it do what it advertises? Yes. Does it do it really well? Yes. Is it reliable, fast, fluid? Yes. Does it do core smartphone things brilliantly? Yes. Is it as feature packed and detailed as Symbian? No. Does that matter? Well if the end user has specific needs they’re aware of, yes, otherwise, for the majority of non-techy buyers, no it doesn’t.
The audience for Nokia’s WP is not the tech enthusiast. It’s for those that wants a beautiful smartphone that works, and which isn’t iPhone (or Android).
Unfortunately, it does not have practical stuff like :
1) SD Card slot, for easy file copying between phones. Bluetooth takes ages.
2) Regular sim card size, to change between difference phones/modems. Sometimes the plastic sim card holder thingy dont work out well.
3) USB mass storage & USB on the go, too much dependence on SkyDrive ala Iphone style. It will cost a bomb in data rates.
Those who want these features are also non technie buyers, but I think no 3 is only understood by those in developing countries where internet speed is slower & data rates are expensive
Well, friends instead of just bashing Elop and his desicion to go with WP7, we shud atleast give him little chance, mayb WP7 is missing lots of features which are there in symbian OS for ages, bt WP7 is vry new ecosystem, it needs time to prove it self, even droid took some time to make it’s mark in the Market, and uptill version 2.1 Android was lacking many essential features, but from there on they just took off, and nw they r Market leader, may by the end of nxt yr. WP7 with the introduction of next updates and more beautiful nd capable devices from Nokia will be choice of every other Joe………… And Btw sum features doesn’t just make or break an OS or ecosystem, the icrap still misses lots of essential features like Bluetooth file transfer, card slots, mass storage mode or USB on the go feature, but still it’s liked by most of the Fanboys out there nd they cudnt stop talking abt. it as being the most greatest invention which changed the humanity……….. And with Nokia being the partner, I think Microsoft will soon bring lots of missing features in their nxt updates and every one will see that nxt yr. will be re-emergence of Nokia as Best smartphone developer……… Well, I want Nokia Microsoft partnership to succeed but at same time I’m also sad that they abandoned Meego, becoz Meego is really very good OS and Nokia with little bit of patience cud hav converted Meego into a good ecosystem, even WP7 is just one yr. old nd if in one yr. they can be contender for third ecosystem, than why cudnt a OS supported by Nokia wud hav the ability to do the same; even Bada from samsung is having some Market share………any ways I’m optimistic for Microkia partnership, nd think nxt yr. we will surely see some breath taking devices from Nokia………..
“Unfortunately, it does not have practical stuff like :
1) SD Card slot, for easy file copying between phones. Bluetooth takes ages.
2) Regular sim card size, to change between difference phones/modems. Sometimes the plastic sim card holder thingy dont work out well”
N9 says it works completely well without this.
I don’t think I’ve ever taken an SD card out of one phone and put it in another so I’d agree with you about that Jay. Although, I’d say the lack of USB mass storage on Windows Phone is more of a concern, especially if you’re not a Windows desktop user.
The microSIM format is a pain in the arse. I’ve got a microSIM cutter tool for my N9 and now I’ll have to pack that on foreign trips. It’s like a stapler so kind of an odd thing for hand luggage. I’ve also managed to slightly damage a pin in another phone’s SIM tray using one of the microSIM adaptors. I don’t see why we need microSIMs. The holder in the N9 is almost as big as a regular SIM anyway.
Let me rephrase that for you…
“Does it do what it advertises? Yes. Does it do it really well? Yes. Is it reliable, fast, fluid? Yes. Does it do core smartphone things brilliantly? Yes. Is it as feature packed and detailed as Symbian? No. Does that matter? Well if the end user has specific needs they’re aware of, yes, otherwise, for the majority of non-techy buyers, no it doesn’t.
The audience for Nokia’s “N9″ is not the tech enthusiast. It’s for those that wants a beautiful smartphone that works, and which isn’t iPhone (or Android).”
Will it work on t-mobile ?
Yes, I think there have been adverts for Nokia Lumia 800 in T-Mobile of a few countries. Not sure about availability in all of them.
T-Mobile USA uses a different 3G frequency to the rest of the world. That’s why Nokia’s Symbian 3G phones are pentaband 3G. The Lumia is a step back as it’s only quadband 3G.
N9 is pentaband btw.
Depends, do you mean T-Mobile USA?
As far as I know it won’t. Don’t know all the technology behind it but it seems to have something to do with T-Mobile being on AWS bands (1700/2100Mhz)
It’ll work on T-Mobile US, but EDGE only.
Duh these Symbian lovers just meh. Just get with it that ur fuckin’ OS is die. Pray that Nokia will success with WP7 and who knows if they got a lot of cashes they will bring back ur dino OS. I love Nokia, but I do NOT love Symbian. Well maybe in the past when Nokia is impossible to be touched.
You’ve got to give Nokia credit for inspiring such loyal Symbian fans.
Looking at things from their side of the coin, they’ve possibly invested a lot in Symbian (various handsets over time, learning it, the apps) and it’s a shame to hear it has been given an expiry date. More over, as admitted by a few readers, the bitterness towards WP is because it entered as an invader of Nokia.
Its merits aside, that is tough to accept that something you’ve become passionate about for so many years is being swept aside for WP. More ideal for some who agreed was to have WP as an addition, not a replacement. The feasibility of that is another issue altogether though and something that was covered for several months already in tens of thousands of comments.
“You’ve got to give Nokia credit for inspiring such loyal Symbian fans.”
Or Nokia fans that support Nokia’s solutions.
“More over, as admitted by a few readers, the bitterness towards WP is because it entered as an invader of Nokia.”
Guilty as charged. It’s “a war of ecosystems” said Elop, and I’m on those guys side: http://www.nokia.fi/
While there is an difference in opinion, pointless name calling, like those demonstrated here, not you, won’t help anybody much.
It’s sad To see that Nokia has antagonized many of its hardcore power user fans, but I believe that wp7 is one of the better options for Nokia in the long run.
That said, while amazingly cohesive and beautiful, the geek in me can’t live with the lack of customization in wp7. Im a Nokia fan but I’m buying an android phone. The stuff that you see the devs make there is awesome. Maybe when apollo or meltimi is ready I’ll switch back, but I’m a Nokia fan thru and thru.
“While there is an difference in opinion, pointless name calling, like those demonstrated here, not you, won’t help anybody much.”
Agreed, but what can we do?
“It’s sad To see that Nokia has antagonized many of its hardcore power user fans, but I believe that wp7 is one of the better options for Nokia in the long run.”
I disagree. Europe and the USA are starting to show signs of smartphone buying fatigue. The growth is shifting to the so called Emerging World, and that’s where Nokia with Symbian is the strongest. They should push their advantage.
And, moreover, it’s better to be master of ones destiny, and that’s achieved by owning ones platform.
“Agreed, but what can we do?”
Respect the opinion of others, possibly not insulting someone else for their opinon. Not directed at you, just what I’m seeing in the comments. What might not suit one person, might be just right for someone else.
“I disagree. Europe and the USA are starting to show signs of smartphone buying fatigue. The growth is shifting to the so called Emerging World, and that’s where Nokia with Symbian is the strongest. They should push their advantage.
And, moreover, it’s better to be master of ones destiny, and that’s achieved by owning ones platform.”
Hmmm….master of one’s destiny. But also good to know when you can’t do things on your own and get to where you want/need to be with help.
As for smartphone buying fatigue? Link? I was aware of eventual saturation, but didn’t realise it was happening right now. 2012-2015 was supposed to see doubling of market according to some analysts. But you’re also right about emerging markets. Perhaps something covered by next billion/meltemi/Qt project?
“Hmmm….master of one’s destiny. But also good to know when you can’t do things on your own and get to where you want/need to be with help.”
Sure. Does the Nokia situation looks like getting help?
I recall Elop saying that it’s “Android against Windows”. Doesn’t look like help but take over talk to me.
Does the wonderful Ecosystem allowed WP to easily thrash BadaOS?
Help to me would have been to make deals with content providers and software developers.
“As for smartphone buying fatigue? Link?”
http://tekedia.com/27280/analysts-slower-mobile-phone-market-growth-smartphone-purchases-soften-3q2011/
“I was aware of eventual saturation, but didn’t realise it was happening right now. 2012-2015 was supposed to see doubling of market according to some analysts. But you’re also right about emerging markets. Perhaps something covered by next billion/meltemi/Qt project?”
Wouldn’t it make more sense to have Maemo/Meego-Harmattan + Symbian + Meltemi which share the same Qt platform instead of doing self disrupting transitions?
Jay agree on the name tossing game is very bad, but I do hope you do hope you do not pick sides on this matter some WP fans here have been uneducated some reached borderline mean and antisocial, so please step in in those cases 2.
I am trying to be fair to both sides. I am not condoning those that say WP is the best – it will suit certain people of certain needs, but not all. Like with all other OSes. I bet you haven’t read those comments though, as you’ve probably just filtered the ones where I’m defending WP.
Clearly though, look which audience is the most hostile. Look at all the comments – who always comes to disrupt a topic and brings in their OS? Who always has to badmouth the CEO for the decision to go with a particular OS regardless of what the blogpost is about?
Whilst it’s not clear on both sides, the hatred poured by a select few Symbian/MeeGo fans is astonishingly disturbing and incredibly immature.
I have no hatred, i find no one deserves such level of atention. I do care however for the future of the last real Tech European company.
People and WP fans still have failed to explain us how come this is the bast path for Nokia. We all said we would be perfectly happy with a NOKIA shipping a some wp phones along with symbian and meego..
But the mesage from above as been there is no more future in smart phones for any of the Nokia technologies.
And a side note, in my personal case, I don’t lose anything from all the changes apart from possibly a company I loved. But many lost their jobs. And don’t blaim the for asking if this is a good idea and if it makes sense… So far all we can see is bad news one after the other… wen is it to be ok? Is there a plan cause we don’t see any other than going all in on a unloved platform.
Nokia, Elop please tell us is there a plan?
N9 said:
“People and WP fans still have failed to explain us how come this is the bast path for Nokia.”
No one owes you or anyone who doesn’t approve of Nokia’s decision, an explanation. That is all.
The decision has been made and Nokia has moved on, and will continue to. It is beyond time for you to move on as well there is simply more to life, N9.
We have explained, you’ve just refused to listen.
Exactly, Nokia has inspired me with great confidence in their hardware, and I support the new direction they want to take with software.
Haha.
How about you learn typing first, and only then start analyzing the mobile market. Windows Phone is one massive flop even in the “Kin scale” of failing.
Give or take two years, and it’s gone, only to be remembered by the most hardcore of Microsoft fans. Like you.
Cool story bro.
If Nokia wouldn’t kill MeeGo and Symbian Belle(+) I’d be exited for this. =/
I want to comment on the way the video is made. The article titled as “real world experience” but i dont see how i will used it in real world. I only here people hub blah blah blah but i dont see how i will use those in real world.
If you watch the video, pretty much the entire thing is him talking about using it to do all of his posts/photos during the event. He was talking about using the People Hub especially the Me part for doing this. He was also talking about the resonponses he was getting out in the real world when people saw the device.
hmmm, i wont buy this phone for my self, as i’d be sacrificing alot of features, i’d stick with my N8. which i love to bits.
but, i would never recommend the N8 to anyone who isnt a pro user..
sadly.. the normal user only notices the fluid UI and cool colors and thats most of wat effects his/her judgment about the phone, and their purchase..
i would totaly recommend nokia 800 to someone like my dad for example, excellent hardware looks, great UI, different, nice camera, top class email client, all needed apps are there. and fluid experience all in all….
would i recommend the N9? thats a tough question,…
in short, i fucking hate elope for announcing symbian’s death… worse immature move i’ve seen in decades(business wise)… but, i cant deny that the Nokia 800 is maybe the only “appealing” nokia phone in years….for the major populations(neglecting the N9 and N900 since they had no app base sadly, and uhm linux=pro users
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The N9 is a great phone for most users. Even though it does not have a lot of apps it covers the basics really well. I you want a large choice apps and do not mind being in a closed garden ecosystem you should buy an iphone. I have not seen anything about WP that is a must have to such extent that it is worth sacrificing the openness of Symbian or MeeGo for it.
Agree with you about Elop’s business move..
Anyone who was deeply familiar with Nokia’s previous Qt based transition strategy knows that Meego/Harmattan was supposed to take Symbian’s place in the smartphone category. Since they both share the same Qt ecosystem, the transition, if executed perfectly, would take place naturally, moving the userbase from Symbia to Meego without any catastrophic disruptions…
But Elop just had to open his mouth and present his horrendous plan http://techandcomputers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/5feef6fa37110526.jpg-400×227.jpg .. Symbian doesn’t even share the same ecosystem with WP (and now they’re trying to fix it by adding those features that previous Nokia users enjoyed like Maps and such, when in fact Meego-Harmattan, being Qt based like the current Symbian, already does support these features)… And now Elop envisions a transition from Symbian to WP, that’s why he presented his graph.. But this plan, instead of making Nokia “not” worry so much with supporting their own OS, since MS is in charge of it, now presents a different challenge. By making previous Nokia users at home with WP, by adding those features that were loved by Nokia users of the past, Nokia now has to work hard so that those features won’t be lost in their transition.. Now, how’s that different with the Qt transition strategy then?? Wasn’t this the same things they were doing with their previous plan??
All you guys around here “pretend” to forget the ugly politics inside Nokia. Qt, Symbian and Meego are being goats at the alter of the Ms gods.
My wife and daughter both use the N8. They are in now way “Pro” users, just regular people. Neither am I, even though I’m a mobile enthusiast. In fact Android was a mixed bag for me, as it required too much attention to detail. Symbian didn’t, and still doesn’t.
Yes, Symbian does have a bit of a learning curve. But so does all useful technology. Once a person is past the curve, they will be perfectly at home with Symbian.
I’m digging the nokia windows phone more and more (still want an n9 though).
I’m just hoping nokia pulls out all the stops for the next windows phone.
I’d love to see a phone where nokia omits nothing.
Seems like they short change every model in some way shape or form.
Nothing nokia puts out now in the smartphone class should have anything less than the n8′s camera. Should also have nfc and front facing camera (so every STFU about it).
Well said.
Does anyone know of a reliable place to get an unlocked Lumia 800 to be sent to the US?
I haven’t checked if they got one listed yet , but amazon is a good place to start looking.
If not, make sure it supports your gsm bandwidth, 800 is not penta band like other Nokia phones
“A little sidenote, the resemblance between the Lumia 800 and the N9 doesn’t seem to be known amongst the people at the Expo. Could be due to the N9 not being on sale in the US of course, but still”.
this is such a childish statement from you Jay, and I believe you know better given the fact that the N9 is a targeted market offering while the Lunia 800 is more of Mass market offering.
I guess you are too much into WP now but please for the sake of sanity and objectivity lets keep it real with the facts and let our emotions out of the discourse.
Some comprehension suggests that I am not the author of this post.
Regardless of the matter, the resemblance of the 800 and N9 does make it more difficult that normal to tell one Nokia from another. That is FACT. To the general public, they are nigh on identical (if they would be aware of the existence of both). I think that is just the point Harangue was trying to make.
What on earth are you getting so angry about? So please, in your own fine words, “for the sake of sanity and objectivity, keep it real with the facts and let our emotions out of the discourse.”
Take a chill pill. You are getting mad over nothing.
I’ve been asked 3 times now if my N9 is ‘the new Windows phone’ so I’m not surprised. I always answer ‘No, this is better’
Jay didn’t write it, I did.
Like I wrote, a little sidenote that popped up while writing it. Ewan said in the beginning of the vid that the blog people there never heard of the N9. I don’t know what kind of people walk around at that Expo so it might still be down to niche marketed vs. mass marketed.
However, both the Lumia and N9 haven’t been marketed in the US as far as I know. So still pretty even-stevens I’d say.
I guess the tone I was trying to get across in that sentence you mention was that of pay attention to that, but then again it is also pretty pointless.
Man, its storming in here and its aggressive. Well reality check for the business, Symbian for whatever reason was not giving Nokia the business it used to be for obvious reasons. Nokia didn’t open their eyes wide at reality sooner or they would work on to its UI earlier. Buyers, and I mean consumers who doesn’t give a thing about these blogs or technical things and follow the advertisement and trends were moving to other places.
Sony Ericsson had to kill the Symbian long before this, although I still believe it is the worst mistake of their history they made and they bet on to WindowsMobile, which would work only if Sony Ericsson went with the better specs, both their perfect and most beautiful form X1 and X2 damned only due to the specs. Another attempt with Nokia’s Symbian didn’t work either for them and they had to bet on Googles, which paid them some ground.
By the time Nokia realize their position, there were already every other company using Android while WindowsPhone was the only thing good enough to beat THE Enemy the iOS. Nokia should grab webOS and set it up but it wasn’t a full package either, it didn’t have the strong support so WindowsPhone had strong backbone, WP had the future, WP has the elements to surprise and wow for consumers by its slick moves and well it has a bright name Microsoft behind it.
It was indeed a desperate but carefully thought-out move by Nokia and while it is causing them the hardcore fans, it looks good for the business.
At this point, what really secure the future of Symbian in Nokia is the developers still on-board and working for it. Nokia and we Symbian supporters should give proper feedback to those developers so they will bring more mature products, good UI, not childish stuff. This is the better way to make a point instead of fighting and crying and trolling over this issue.
There aren’t enough of them. Seriously, when’s the last time something really stunning has come out for Symbian? Not just Symbian finally getting something decent that iOS and Android have had for years, but something actually leading.
There’s nothing, Symbian only gets development because it still has some marketshare, but it’s not inspiring developers. iOS does it, Android does it, Windows Phone does it, webOS did it. That’s it. No other OS inspires devs to make truly fresh software that would make someone want the device for the software that’s available on it.
Umm.. Symbian^3 a year ago? Revolutionized the UI.
Belle this year? Changed the UI and streamlined it.
The insides of Symbian really don’t need any changes, it’s already miles better than WP, iOS and Android.
Instead of spouting drivel, try to be specific. What is it that you are missing, exactly?
That didn’t revolutionise the UI, it just made it not suck quite as much.
Besides, I’m not talking about Symbian the OS, I’m talking about developer support (which should be obvious if you follow what I was responding to, or alternatively understand the difference between ‘for’ and ‘on’).
“Well reality check for the business, Symbian for whatever reason was not giving Nokia the business it used to be for obvious reasons.”
Which were?
“Nokia didn’t open their eyes wide at reality sooner or they would work on to its UI earlier. Buyers, and I mean consumers who doesn’t give a thing about these blogs or technical things and follow the advertisement and trends were moving to other places.”
Incorrect. The Symbian sales were still growing YoY till Q1 2011. Buyers moved to other places after the line was EOLed:
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1689814
Now, in Q2 sales collapsed -30%, -37% in Q3. That’s about 16 million Nokia buyers that went away in the span of two quarters compared to last year. And where did you think they went? Probably not towards WP7. More likely to Android (nice move Elop) and in a lesser measure iOS.
“By the time Nokia realize their position, there were already every other company using Android while WindowsPhone was the only thing good enough to beat THE Enemy the iOS.”
Elop said that the enemy is Google. You know, the whole it’s “Android against Windows”. Note that it’s not about Nokia, it’s about “Android against Windows”.
“Nokia should grab webOS and set it up but it wasn’t a full package either, it didn’t have the strong support so WindowsPhone had strong backbone, WP had the future, WP has the elements to surprise and wow for consumers by its slick moves and well it has a bright name Microsoft behind it.”
I would take WP7 more seriously as a contender, but after a year it has apparently failed to overhaul BadaOS, let alone RIM which is also having bad times. We will know for sure in a week, when Gartner smartphone OS figures come out.
For the sake of the argument, if WP gets to 20% of the market, what share of those 20% would Nokia get?
Samsung CEO wanted to beat Nokia by 2013, well they are already beating them in smartphones, and are closing in global phone sales.
I’m sure he didn’t expect it to be that easy: their smartphone shipments in Q3 this year are *still* lower than what Nokia managed last year (selling S60 phones in an Froyo and iOS4 world).
I’m sure that it has been party all night long at Samsung headquarters on February the 11th.
+1 sir.
+100
“Which were?”
Worldwide critical acclaim, mass consumer adoption, developer support, large profit margins… need I go on?
“Incorrect. The Symbian sales were still growing YoY till Q1 2011. Buyers moved to other places after the line was EOLed:”
Symbian sales were growing at a much slower rate than Android and iOS, and Android was outselling Symbian in short order. Symbian sales started dropping once Android phones undercut them across the line. In 2010 the Nokia 5230 was still the best deal for me as there wasn’t a halfway decent Android at that price. Now you can get an LG Optimus One (which pretty much everyone who tries it likes) for $100 off contract. Symbian’s got nothing that can compete with that. Ever since the N95, people haven’t been buying Nokias (with a few exceptions) because of their features, they’ve been buying them because they were cheap. Once they stopped being cheap, sales dropped, and Nokia responded by a line wide MSRP cut to make them competitive again.
“Elop said that the enemy is Google. You know, the whole it’s “Android against Windows”. Note that it’s not about Nokia, it’s about “Android against Windows”.”
‘Cause Windows actually has a chance against Android. Symbian doesn’t, and MeeGo only got minor interest.
“I would take WP7 more seriously as a contender, but after a year it has apparently failed to overhaul BadaOS, let alone RIM which is also having bad times. We will know for sure in a week, when Gartner smartphone OS figures come out.”
You mean overtake? Where are sales figures on Bada? RIM is already massively entrenched, particularly in the corporate sector where things are slower to move. Windows Phone is doing amazingly well given how young it is – far better developer support than Android had in the first year, and when you account for the inflation that Lite apps create for iOS App numbers, it’s still better than support for iOS too. As far as developer adoption goes, Windows Phone is the most successful platform yet, and anyone who knows anything knows that platform success is all about developers and apps.
“I’m sure that it has been party all night long at Samsung headquarters on February the 11th.”
That party would have been insignificant compared to the outrage and shouting when Google announced they’d buy Motorola. Samsung is scrambling to find an alternative to Android incase that doesn’t work out, and their best option is Windows Phone. Had Nokia gone with Android, Google buying Motorola would have totally fucked them over.
“Worldwide critical acclaim, mass consumer adoption, developer support, large profit margins… need I go on?”
Please do.
Nokia was still the biggest smartphone vendor, sales were growing, ASP and stock price were recovering, Nokia (nee Ovi) Store downloads were starting to pick despite its shortcomings. Symbian is still the largest worldwide installed base, and is still strong where the battle is headed, read the so called emerging world.
“Symbian sales were growing at a much slower rate than Android and iOS, and Android was outselling Symbian in short order.”
Of course, Android outsold Symbian in short order. It outsold everyone else in even shorter order. Competent system churned out by dozen of handsets manufacturers.
Doesn’t change the fact that until Q1 2011, Nokia sales were still growing, and started the free fall after The Announcement. Why did you think that Elop had to come up and backpedal.
“In 2010 the Nokia 5230 was still the best deal for me as there wasn’t a halfway decent Android at that price. Now you can get an LG Optimus One (which pretty much everyone who tries it likes) for $100 off contract. Symbian’s got nothing that can compete with that.”
And Windows Phone does?
“Ever since the N95, people haven’t been buying Nokias (with a few exceptions) because of their features, they’ve been buying them because they were cheap. Once they stopped being cheap, sales dropped, and Nokia responded by a line wide MSRP cut to make them competitive again.”
Incorrect. Sales dropped when Elop EOLed the line. The ASP increased in Q4 2010, and the sales increased till Q1 2011. After the annoucement, they collapsed, -30% in Q2 and -37% in Q3.
“Cause Windows actually has a chance against Android. Symbian doesn’t, and MeeGo only got minor interest.”
Maybe Windows could show it. So far, it has its hands full with Bada, and I believe that Bada is pulling away. We’ll know once Gartner releases the figures, should be any day now.
“You mean overtake? Where are sales figures on Bada?”
read them and weep:
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1764714
http://ronnie05.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/gartner-q2-2011-mobile-phone-and-smartphone-market-shares/
Look at the spectacular -44% growth of Microsoft. Bada just blew pas them. Go Bada!
“RIM is already massively entrenched, particularly in the corporate sector where things are slower to move. Windows Phone is doing amazingly well given how young it is – far better developer support than Android had in the first year, and when you account for the inflation that Lite apps create for iOS App numbers, it’s still better than support for iOS too. As far as developer adoption goes, Windows Phone is the most successful platform yet, and anyone who knows anything knows that platform success is all about developers and apps.”
And despite all those advantages, it was going no where fast. Ballmer still to this day can’t bring himself to disclose the sales.
““I’m sure that it has been party all night long at Samsung headquarters on February the 11th.”
That party would have been insignificant compared to the outrage and shouting when Google announced they’d buy Motorola. Samsung is scrambling to find an alternative to Android incase that doesn’t work out, and their best option is Windows Phone.”
Samsung are smarter than Nokia: if you are an OEM (what Nokia has become), you don’t put all your eggs in one basket, especially a fragile looking one. And moreover, Samsung is working on their own platform, you know, master of one’s destiny stuff. And so far Samsung has all the reasons to rejoice, Nokia gave up the fight by disrupting themselves.
And you don’t see Samsung waxing lyrical about Android or Windows. The only thing that matter to Samsung are Samsung sales and handsets, or any other handset maker but the Elop run Nokia.
“Had Nokia gone with Android, Google buying Motorola would have totally fucked them over.”
Elop wouldn’t allow that, you know, the whole it’s “Android vs Windows” thing. Android is poised to reach 50% market share this quarter. Will WP reach 2%? That suspense is killing me. Gartner figures can’t come soon enough…
“Nokia was still the biggest smartphone vendor, sales were growing, ASP and stock price were recovering, Nokia (nee Ovi) Store downloads were starting to pick despite its shortcomings. Symbian is still the largest worldwide installed base, and is still strong where the battle is headed, read the so called emerging world.”
Ovi Store downloads were heavily dependent on the S40 install base. There were a ton of apps on the Ovi Store that were just J2ME apps, not Symbian native. While Nokia has a good install base and has provided a good distribution channel for devs, it wasn’t thanks to Symbian. Symbian was difficult to develop for, Symbian Signed made that even more challenging. There was very little point for any dev to make a Symbian native app when they could make a J2ME one that would run just as well.
S40 is where it was (and is) at for Nokia’s platform. Symbian was the crotchety old geezer, and even going back to the N95, S40 phones were getting features that S60 ones weren’t.
“Look at the spectacular -44% growth of Microsoft. Bada just blew pas them. Go Bada!”
Heh, you’re another one of those people who can’t tell the difference between “Mobile” and “Phone”. Microsoft isn’t an operating system, it’s a company. Those numbers are saying something quite different from what you think they’re saying. While Bada has certainly been doing well in straight sales, it has seen next to no developer support, and that’s what really counts. Show me some hot app that Bada has exclusively that other Mobile OSes don’t.
“And despite all those advantages, it was going no where fast. Ballmer still to this day can’t bring himself to disclose the sales.”
They haven’t made a big marketing push until now. Apple and Google (& partners) didn’t for the first year either.
“Samsung are smarter than Nokia: if you are an OEM (what Nokia has become), you don’t put all your eggs in one basket, especially a fragile looking one. And moreover, Samsung is working on their own platform, you know, master of one’s destiny stuff. And so far Samsung has all the reasons to rejoice, Nokia gave up the fight by disrupting themselves. ”
So is Nokia, what do you think all this S40 and Qt for the next billion stuff is about?
“Elop wouldn’t allow that, you know, the whole it’s “Android vs Windows” thing. Android is poised to reach 50% market share this quarter. Will WP reach 2%? That suspense is killing me. Gartner figures can’t come soon enough…”
The Android vs Windows Phone comment was to placate other Windows Phone manufacturers who were concerned about Nokia getting special deals that they couldn’t. Had Nokia gone with Android Elop would have said the opposite. The reason they went with Windows Phone is because they got a better deal where their properties get strengthened, rather than having all their Map work replaced by Google services.
“And you don’t see Samsung waxing lyrical about Android or Windows. The only thing that matter to Samsung are Samsung sales and handsets, or any other handset maker but the Elop run Nokia. ”
But you do see HTC praising Windows Phone, and they just went to the #1 spot in the US. Go figure.