1 Million Lumia sold for Q4? (Since when is 6 weeks Q4? 1m/6weeks, same as SGS)
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I don’t have the actual translation so just going on google translate which might skew some details.
Apparently:
“RBS estimates that Lumioita sold during the fourth quarter, a total of 850 000 to million pieces.”RBS arvioi, että Lumioita myytäisiin vuoden viimeisellä neljänneksellä yhteensä 850 000:sta miljoonaan kappaletta.
Update: Thanks for the translation guys, it does indeed say estimates of 850k-1m that Nokia ‘would’ sell.
Apparently that means luke warm sales.
Is that the expected sales for Q4 2011 or what has sold already? I think that’s an expectation for Q4.
4th Quarter? You mean the fourth quarter that began selling the Lumia in 6 European countries from November 16th? So that’s what, about 6 weeks of sales?
Since when has 1 quarter equalled 1.5 months? If it was on sale for the full Q4, that could then mean 2M right? In a phone sold in 6 countries? Where iPhone and Android is the default thing and there is no attraction or demand right now for WP? iPhone and things like SGS (X) already have a firm branding now. They’re recognized options. Lumia is nothing right now. A new unknown entity.
Wasn’t that 2M the rumoured expected shipments from Nokia anyway? (Not confirmed by Nokia) But Nokia has mentioned they will first get the Nokia WP OUT in 2011 and then in 2012 ship that thing in volumes next year (hence why a lot of Nokia’s markets aren’t getting the Lumia till 2012). Why is this all a surprise to everyone?
release aWindows Phone by the end of the year, though we likely won’t be seeing it ship in large volumes until early next year
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/nokia-first-windows-phones-still-shipping-by-end-of-year/
It’s a great start for Nokia on what is not their high end star. It wasn’t exactly certain whether Nokia would even get a WP phone out this year based on their performance of getting a phone out from design labs to the consumer. As far as we heard, the orders from Compal suggested Nokia never expected to sell this phone in droves this ‘quarter’.
How fast did Samsung get the original SGS (At time when Android was already very popular)? 6 weeks. Hey, isn’t that almost the same as the Lumia 800? But since it’s Nokia or WP that must mean it’s bad?
- http://www.kitguru.net/mobile/android/jules/samsung-galaxy-s-phone-sells-1-million-units-in-6-weeks/
- http://www.dailytech.com/UPDATE+Samsung+Galaxy+S+Sells+1M+Units+Lands+on+Verizon+Sept+9/article19483.htm
It’s clearly not the numbers achieved by Nokia Symbian smartphones – of course not the iPhone either or the equally popular SGSII. Those have a reputation of being great devices already (plus the iPhone is led by the best marketing team in the world hands down – like a news article in the Metro paper said a guy got fired for complaining about the alarm on his iPhone. Image was too important and dissing the company on facebook is a no no). Lumia is not even 1 month old. Nokia’s reputation is still pretty much those cheap disposable phones or the unfortunately ‘difficult to use’ Symbian. It’s going to take a while to recover their image. That will be done with Belle, Carla, Meltemi and Lumia WP.
As for the numbers, since Nokia hasn’t released any data, we don’t really know for sure other than estimates.
Cheers BellGo for the tip!
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that would be cool
didnt the N8 do the same?
I think Nokia can push a lot of units simply based on it being a NOKIA plus they’ve got some much advertising involved
Real concern for them I imagine is what will sales be for the USA
The N8 has sold more this time last year. It is very disappointing sales for the 800.
Which we expected .
N8 sold to how many countries?
Wasn’t it also on sale 1 month before?
What other competition did Nokia have?
The longer things go where Nokia lets iPhone and Android gets stronger, the harder it will be to reproduce similar sales successes.
Disappointing? Depends on your expectations. If you expected X and it achieved X-1 then that’s disappointing. Nokia has specifically said they aren’t shipping this thing in volume until next year. It’s also trapped on contract.
It would be an estimate for the full quarter and not to date.
Also with no release as yet in China or the US and likely an upgraded version out soon all you can say is that Nokia pushed hard to get a device out before christmas.
First adopters will soon find that in q1 2012 there will be a new Lumia with LTE and FFC- this I beleive what Nokia always intended to deliver but was never able to in Q4 2011.
Lumia has become a subrand for Nokia – 7xx series 8xx series and possibly 9xx series. I think they are falling into the same trap as before of too many devices and model numbers. One of the greatest strengths of Apple annual release cycle was that peripherals and accessory makers really invested in making a wide range of items that added to the overall Iphone experience. There is no benefit to a peripheral and accessory maker to invest in making something really good for a Nokia device that within a few months get superseeded. So all you get is the same run of the mill poor quality accessories.
wouldn’t that piss anyone who got it early??? hahaha
800 has now been on sale 2 weeks!!! A quarter is 12 weeks !
800s first quarter ends Feb 16th 2012.
This is silly estimating a quarter from 2 weeks.
quarters are either calendar, or fiscal. regardless, they are what they are. they don’t start at the time a specific product is launched. Nokias Q4 is Nokias Q4. If they started selling Lumia devices the last day of a quarter, and sold 10 in total, well then their quarterly figure would be 10. Plain and simple.
Elop’s propaganda.
Ultimately Lumia 800 is the only good thing for the time bieng in the whole Elop’s ecosystem that’s why consumers are giving a chance otherwise who cares if it is Elop or Steve Job’s propoganda?
its bad news regarding nokia, how can this be elop’s propaganda?
The translation is roughly that RBS estimates Lumia _will_ sell between 800k and a million during Q4.
Sorry, 850k to 1 million.
But they only started selling Nov 16, and Dec 9 in some regions. That is an eighth not a quarter !
For a full quarter that would project 2 – 2.5m
Would wait to a ‘real’ quarter has run.
It’s just an estimate that Nokia will sell 850 000 – 1M Lumia devices on 4th quarter. Not an estimate about already sold devices. Mistranslation, that’s all.
Good points, Jay. Given that the Lumia 800 devices are primarily available on contract, many wanting this device will wait until they are able to renew. In addition, there may be some holding out for the Cyan or Magenta. Also, for some, the price point (unlocked or otherwise) may be cost prohibitive, as opposed to some of the less expensive Symbian or Android devices.
And given that this device wasn’t even released until November 16th, with a tiered rollout across markets, I think that even if only 500K devices are sold by the end of Q4, that is still a good accomplishment.
We should definitely see the volume of devices, and sales volumes for Nokia WP device skyrocket in 2012.
Bring it to the U.S.A., NOW!!!!! I’m ready to dump my Samsung Galaxy S 2! Come on, Nokia & MS, bring it!
Why would you want to do that, considering that you already have a very high end phone?
P.S. I’m not dissing nokia or WP, I like them both. Just asking.
bec not everybody has the capability to use a smartphone hahaha
I prefer to wait until Q4 is actually over, and after holiday sales have started and ended before I really care about any numbers…. but for me it seems the Lumia 800 is selling really good.
how many iPhone1 did Apple sell their first month? Before the hype started …
it is kind of ridiculous to compare the 800 to iPhone 4S like some american “tech” bloggers to.. iPhone 4S is a new version of an established device . Lumia 800 is something totally new
Lumia is just another WP7 phone and WP7 has been around over a year now (and during that time WP7 sales numbers have gone from bad to worse). It’s nothing new really. It’s just a first Nokia made WP7 but not a totally new device like the first iPhone was or the first Android.
Not that i think these numbers by RBS r valid by any means, but i find Jay posts quite defensive as of late. U continually defend Nokia and WP.
I won’t go as far s saying ur a fanboy but i’ve never seen u defend symbian or meego like this. U shouldn’t take phone sale estimates personally and u shouldn’t blindly defend anything.
I understand we all have our opinions but I can see the WP love seep through your writing.
Your counter arguments are somewhat weak. Im relatively certain WP will succeed so relax and stop taking analysts comments as truth.
Someone mentioned in a comment that a blog is a chronicle of the writer’s opinion. While this may be true, objectivity is essential.
I tried my best to saying it nicely
They may be defensive because there is a point to be defended. You have never seen me defend Symbian? You have never seen me defend Nokia N9?
OR You just dislike WP so much that you refuse to remember when I have and just because I am also defending Nokia Lumia 800 I am not ONLY defending Nokia Lumia 800?
Please, are you completely sure I have never defended Symbian or N9?
Perhaps now the switch has come to defend the new Lumia because this is now what is under flack and as a NOKIA fan I try to point things out from a NOKIA perspective? No that can’t be. It’s because I’m a paid MS shill or whatever the hell it is you guys keep calling me.
I guess ive never seen u defend something so vociferously. U defend symbian just as much as u berate it.
Maybe that clears it up.
Im not calling u a shill. Unless there is proof of that i would be stupid to claim such things.
I like symbian and meego and i rarely defend them. I have no problem with u stating that WP is ‘buttery smooth’ bcuz thats more or less a fact.
But u cant argue against the numbers and it seems like ur trying to convince yourself than even if the Lumia 800 sells only 1m its a success.
This war ur waging reminds me of the iphone vs android war. When apple had a larger market share ifans said android is irrelevant bcuz we have more market share and more apps. Then they said mkt share doesnt matter bcuz we have more apps. Then apple has better apps. Then apple is just a single manufacturer, what do u expect if all companies r shipping android. Do u understand my point?
Fanboys keep moving the the goal post. This is someting i saw at allaboutsymbian as nokia continually lost mkt share. Fanboys r irrational people. Dont be like them. Be objective.
Dont move the goal post. Use the same criteria across the board
Here’s some examples of me never having defended Symbian phones – N8 for this instance.
Admittedly in the first one that was in September. I had used a N8 but not for extended period. I was not actually aware of the slow downs that would still occur after extended use (to which I had to hard reset). But still, I passionately defended Nokia, being that Nokia fan. But of course, since I am now defending the newest of the Nokias, and that happens to be WP, this post never occurred, right?
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/09/26/rant-5-reasons-msnbc-tech-writer-is-clueless-about-nokia-refutation-to-5-reasons-nokias-n8-wont-beat-the-iphone-4/
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/10/03/the-truth-about-engadgets-nokia-n8-versus-iphone-4/
As for defending N9, there wasn’t much to defend. It wasn’t attacked. It was praised a lot. And we posted all those reviews, right? We shared the awesome news when N9 kept getting praised for the screen and design right? We posted a lot of n9 content. Some readers even complained of too much N9 stuff and not enough Symbian. Although, now because I seem to be defending the Nokia Lumia 800 (to which I’m just trying to put a Nokia side of the ‘argument’) I have now of course, not defended N9 at all right?
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/19/rant-bitter-view-of-the-n9-baseless-criticisms-from-nokias-favourite-journalist-wp/
As for defending and berating Symbian, I did the same to my much loved Maemo. I posted things I love and things I didn’t like. I plan to do the same now that I have a WP that is Nokia hardware.
On the moving goal posts thing, I mention it is not like the N8 sales or the iPhone sales or even SGS sales. But then tried to add that Nokia have said they were not shipping this phone in volume until 2012, unlike N8 which was intended from the very beginning to sell in several millions. I was just trying to provide context on what nokia expected it to do – so if it matches that, it’s successful, if it doesn’t it’s not.
I also tried to make comparisons with the SGS that sold 1M in 6 weeks (OR 45 DAYS) same with lumia. The former was said to be successful reaching 1m in 6 weeks. 2M would be great, but that doesn’t make 1m any worse? Something bad would be 10,000 in 6 weeks.
There are many different factors why any high end of Nokias would not sell well right now. (Even greater competition, weaker Nokia brand). It just happens to be a WP that’s on show. What ever Nokia produces, it’s against an uphill battle. If it were N9, sold in just 6 countries, with limited original stock order and no plans to ship volumes until 2012, I’d say exactly the same things just to give context on perhaps why the sales expectations from Nokia aren’t that high.
At least if it was a high end Symbian, there is still a much larger group of fans/userbase aware of it to be willing to upgrade (though how Feb11 affected the Symbian name might be an issue with some retailers). WP has no recognition. No one wants something they know nothing about.
It’s not whether 1m is deemed as a success or failure the real issue is how is the WP+Nokia partnership going to forge ahead.
I have pointed out in various posts my concerns and I am not going to repeat them again.
Good, prefer if you don’t.
Yeah, mistranlation. The Finnish word “myytäisiin” is conditional future meaning “they would sell”, so the estimation is they would sell 850k to 1M Lumias during Q4, not that they have sold.
Lets just wait for the actual numbers
Here is another estimate stating 2 million by the end of the year
http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/12/new_nokia_smartphones_make_headway_in_europe_3076889.html?origin=rss
Different figures from different analysts…only time will tell
Basically they are estimating the number of units sold that will show up in Nokias Q4 financials.
The word “myytäisiin” means Nokia is expected to sell this many, not that they already have. It’s just an expectation, an estimate, nothing more.
I honestly think 850.000 would be a very good number.
Agreed, only been on sale 2 weeks, and hasn’t even started in some of the launch regions (e.g HK next week).
1 million, 100 thousand, 1… It doesn’t matter, this is just the beginning. Numbers are just a distraction, Microsoft and Nokia know they need to make the best product and if they do they will sell. This is a starting point to build off of. There are many thing about the Lumia 800 that are attractive but there are also many issues that need to be fixed.
“…but there are also many issues that need to be fixed.”
Yeah and the worst one of those issues is the OS. Change it to MeeGo-Harmattan or even Symbian.
WP7 doesn’t sell. People just don’t want a phone with it. The sales figures have been telling that all year. WP7′s market share has gone from very bad to even worse. One percent is really pathetic. Even more so when you think how much WP7 has been marketed and hyped in the media.
Let´s do a little counting. 850k in 1/2 or 2/3 (pre-orders included)quarter in 6 countries that represents 25% of global smartphone sales. Like Elop has said from the beginning, volume sales start in 2012. 850k sold would mean 850 * 1,5 (adjusted to full quarter) * 4 (adjusted to alla markets) = 5,1M units sold in full quarter. And this is just Lumia 800 ALONE. Galaxy SII was hailed for selling 5 million units in Q2 2011 (not 2007). So if these estimates are correct, it´s totally reasonable say that Lumia launch has been a success and it´s very promising for next year sales.
It’s not that people don’t want a phone with WP.
People didn’t want WP that Samsung, HTC, LG was offering. They seem to like Nokia’s one. I know that sucks for you because you hate WP and WP shouldn’t be on a Nokia, only Symbian or MeeGo, but unfortunately that’s the way Nokia has gone and are doing quite well with it.
It has been a year since WP was available and during that time it came as the unknown to the well established Android and iOS. Even Symbian already had more fans with its huge userbase.
You’re so happy to reiterate poor WP sales. Let’s come back again in a couple of quarters when Nokia is pushing them in volumes.
I agree!
Estimates don’t mean anything. We just have to wait and see. The real question is, how much nokia thinks it’ll sell? If they meet or surpass that, then it’s successful. If not, well, then it means they’re screwed.
It’s starting to look that Nokia is fucked with their idiotic WP7 strategy if those numbers hold. 850 000 during Q4 that includes Christmas sales (!) are pathetic numbers.
Those numbers would have been ok in 2007. But it’s 2011 and the market has grown massively since 2007. It has grown a lot even from last year.
and what happens next?
I have to admit retailers in the UK are pushing WP7 more.
In a store last week when a family came in.
The little boy was excited to get to the Nokia stand.
‘Mum this is the phone I talked about . . but let’s not get it here there is no free X-box on offer. . ‘.
I wonder how much this promotion is costing?
I hope demand keeps up after the X-Boxes run out.
aamiin..
Glad to see that you used my tip, but I am sorry that the information was slightly warped. =/