Nokia Conversations hints at LTE, faster processors, brighter Flash…
Nokia Conversations is hinting at future Nokia devices and have stated some vague yet still revealing info. Some possibly just to throw out there as general talk on future devices (though obviously no point Nokia focusing on future technologies in 2012 that THEY CAN’T BRING otherwise that would be stupid, no?).
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/01/02/what-will-2012-bring-to-mobile/
- “The processor in your phone at the end of 2012 will be faster than the one in the phone you’re holding today” (well, I bloody hope so. I hear snarky comments, “because it’s going to be an iPhone/Android” :p) Seriously though, whilst Nokia hasn’t strictly needed dual core for their Symbian, MeeGo, and Windows Phones to run “well”, they could be so much better if had more power. There is as discussed below the balance between processing power and battery life. As long as you can push it over a day then to heck with it. It might just be for bragging rights but Nokia, you need it. It might not affect the over all performance or improvement is negligible. But in 2011 you missed out on dualcore. Are you going to play the failed catch up game again in 2012? (BTW, look how smooth Belle is on beefier processors and GPU compared with N8. Look how much faster Lumia is over previous generation Winpho. And first gen winpho are already incredibly smooth and fast. )Dual core is on the table for Symbian. Who knows if Nokia will surprise an bring dual core for S40
(like why does it even has 1ghz right now? :p). For Windows Phone, well that has to wait for when WP will support that apparently. As you’ve seen though, comparable to dual core devices how optimised WP is, how smooth it is. Imagine a similar spec’d Android choking. - “It will also receive and transmit data a lot faster.” LTE. More below.
- “If Nokia could make software more efficient, then they would slow down the clock and claw back lost battery life” (e.g. the sub 1GHz Nokias.) Though more efficient processors could also be better on the battery, no? Ideally I’d like 2 days, but not at the expense of having a deadbeat processor.
- “A brighter flash for our photographs might be a better cause” (yes, well bring back XENON flash dammit! LED lit photos are terrible. And don’t give us one or the other. LED is useful as torches. I use mine all the time. And no, I don’t want a brighter LED unless you make its photos light things as brightly as the N82. )
- “Or higher frame rates in video recording” (yes, would eat up battery and make size of clips bigger but it does help reduce motion blur. Try sweeping a camera set to 24FPS and doing the same on one set at 60fps. Notice a smoother motion on the latter).
- “Or perhaps a personal projector?” (Would be nice. I highly doubt Nokia could bring this).
- “… better data rates through the realisation of technologies like LTE are the most exciting.” (Nokia bigs up technologies that THEY will be bringing)
- Cloud Computing, cloud apps – less drain on battery eating processors.
- More location stuff.
The real winners of the mobile technology future are probably already with us, it’s just that they lack the final piece of polish or aren’t yet being used in the really clever way that will seem totally obvious once someone has actually thought of it.
True. As Nokia said with N8, it’s not technology, it’s what you do with it! All these years having the best features of any smartphones – yet, it’s not technology, it’s what Nokia should have and could have done with it but didn’t. *Facepalm*
Cheers : Kaizer Allen for the tip!
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very true at the end there jay! but as people said in the comments by the time nokia comes out with dual core everyone else will have quad core! when nokia come with quad core everone else wil have multi core! its a shame nokia couldnt bring out at least one dual core phone just for the sake of it! and its a shame they didnt bring out better 1ghz cpu’s (arm11?in 2011? they must be joking!) i know everyone says symbian,meego,wp7 dont need dual or quad core but that infact future proof your phones for say infact future technology,apps or even future updates! just imagine nokia used arm cortex A8 1ghz cpu’s on the n8 etc but with say atleast a 1500mAh battery!!!! maybe more ram etc! that maybe would have made my n8 now compatible not only with belle but could have been compatible with carla or whatever comes next
So i hope nokia atleast try to future proof their phones with dual/quad cores or it would be cool if you can have quad core cpu’s on your phone but have the ability to disable them to save battery power! i mean if someone comes up with 1st with that it must be microsoft! i mean their giants in the pc software world!!!!
More than one core = multicore. Just saying.
Nokia is always the last because the Operating Systems they’re using do not recommend more or higher number of cores in order to function well, even iOS is silky smooth in single core, but Android is not. Manufacturers dealing with dual to quadro core processors is like cooking spaghetti in Ice Age…..I mean not on time…Over Acting.
I disagree. For Nokia it comes in handy that Windows doesn’t support dualcore cause they simply can’t price it at Samsung’s or HTCs rate and thus cannot compete. Since so far the iPhone is the only phone people are willing to spend some stupidly high extra premium on they’re left somewhere in between and therefore need to cut costs in order to stay competitive (single core, no front camera, shitty 8MP camera, no NFC).
absolutely! why does Nokia skimp on commodity hardware when the prices for their handsets are on par with the industry’s average ? funny thing is that despite this, they are not very profitable like apple. who says symbian does not need good cpu/ better battery backup and more ram ? if they want to live in the same month as the release of any particular phone, then fine. but surely not in 2012 when people are talking about quad core, 1gb ram, and galaxy note like 2500mah battery!!(okay, note’s humongous screen needs a battery – they better give a bit more – it’s embarassing to hold a book against your face! ridiculous)
If you have a great product with superb OS and design you don’t need dual or quad core cpus. Just have a look at the N9. I didn’t read one review, where they were complaining about not having a multi core cpu.
True. Though N9 could obviously benefit from beefier processing power, no? It’s always a comment we receive whenever N9 is compared to 4S or Lumia (“But it’s only single core, but it’s only 1GHz”. As long as battery can make over a day…up to 2 days ideal, then push the boat out on the processor
For people like myself who mainly use their phone to bluetooth stream music, take pictures and navigate design, quality and reliability are more important than CPU power but if you mainly use the phone to surf the web or gaming than I’d strongly recommend a Galaxy since you can definitely see a huge speed difference when it comes to page rendering. I think the latter group is the majority and for them Nokia has absolutely nothing to offer.
Those words from the N8 ads are spot on. For God’s sake, Nokia, your rep really needs to be repelnished with state-of-the-art hardware. Practically you don’t need it, but throughout Twitter and the so-called ”tech journalists” on blogs are downtrodding you to pieces just because you didn’t have the apparent hardware to back it up. Mend your reputation as the King.
dual core and symbian in one sentence…hmm..that sounds delicious!
True true, nokia donna will bring that right? Looking forward to the presentation for nokia carla, hopefully we get devices this year….. N8 successor!
Actually, there were already builds of Symbian that support multi-threading and splitting for multicore use, I wouldn’t be surprised for that support to be added to Carla as well.
There are some Symbian protos/test units out in the field tests with some form of new hardware platform – not sure if its multi-core or not though.
From what I’ve heard, they are based on OMAP4430 which is most definitely a dual core (Cortex-A9 @ 1.2GHz). I know an engineer that used to work for Nokia on Symbian implementations ’til Dec 2010 and he claimed that even in 2010 there was work in progress of adding multi-core support to Symbian.
I wanna quote incognito’s comment from http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/01/02/what-will-2012-bring-to-mobile/#comment-399324776 since I couldn’t express this better than him:
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Interesting point regarding the software optimization and making it run more efficiently on current hardware than stacking up cores and buffing up batteries… If that was Nokia’s goal, why in the world did you go for WP which runs most of its software (and all of the 3rd party software) in a .NET interpreter? It’s the same approach Android uses, just a bit more streamlined.
You already had a RTOS (Symbian) and near-RTOS (Maemo/Meego, Linux kernel is moving slowly to full real-time approach) which both execute native software (even the Qt layer brings it as close as possible to the native execution while keeping the cross-platform compatibility), and that’s leaps and bounds more efficient than the interpreted environment, especially for battery-operated devices. What more proof do you need than Belle running on ~6yrs old ARM11 @ 680MHz as smooth as the latest Androids on dual-core monsters or WPs running on the last gen Snapdraggons?
That being said, there is a limit of how efficient your software can be – for example, if you want to have a fully-compliant HTML5 browser you cannot really have it on those ancient CPUs. A modern browser, even if written directly in ASM, optimized to perfection and with GPU acceleration still requires far more juice than a measly ARM11 can provide, and hardware updates will certainly make it far more comfortable. The trick is to find the right hardware to run what is required from modern (smart)phones at the lowest possible cost to the battery. Interpreted software environment certainly won’t help with that.
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The voice of reason! +1
lol at the face palm line! One thing i observed from the article is that there is a slight emphasis on surprises for this year. What they enumerated are the ones that we already expect to come for 2012, those surprises that he mentioned are the ones that i’m looking forward to.
this is simple joke any one who wishes quadcore phone is a fool and uses a crap OS. we are talkin mobile not desktop pc… very bad i am sad.
Nokia give me LTE, even better camera may be 20 MP or some successor of N8, great industrial design, next gen CBD AMOLED display, give me BT 4.0 give me HDMI give me NFC things that make sense but thank u i dont need dual core or quad core its a joke shame ….
You want all that and you don’t wanr a dual core, you make so much sense!! Have a 444 MHz processor and have fun trying to load anything. :L
Lol uhmmm didnt the n8 have all the newest features and more when it was released? best camera ever!, one of the 1st phones with hdmi out! 1st phone with usb on the go! BT 3.0! amazing unibody design! 1st phone with dolby digital plus! but what did that stuff bring it? absolutely nothing! all everyone said was how a slow, weak processor it had and how low its ram was and how laggy symbian^3 was. But i do agree thats the features i want in my next nokia phone just to bad wp7 doesnt have most of that features.
Bring back a Beefed up N8 with 4″ CBD screen.. please..
+1
They need to put on schedule with symbian upgrade Carla and Donna for this year Q2 and Q4. They need to upgrade their hardwer as well to ARM A9 for Carla devices and for Donna ARM A15, Nokia signed cooperation agreement which includes supply of ST-Ericsson SoC for new deiveces in 2012.
request gameloft to make new hd games for symbian^3
plz go to http://forum.gameloft.com/index.php?topic=22036.0 then register and vote YES..