Rumours: N8 successor with nHD screen? Low end with ‘Swipe UI’ + tablet friendly Nokia UI.
Resident Nokia Insider, dsmobile has been chatting again and has some interesting hints.
First it seems that the N8 successor might still as some noted be nHD. 640X360 in 2012? WVGA was pushing it, and I already found it odd coming from WVGA on the N900 back to nHD. Especially since the new standard for 2012 appears to be 720p (to which Nokia will not reach at all until Apollo lifts the resolution limitation).
No-fragmentation means that No 720p displays to Windows phones. They are stuck in 800×480 as Nokia is stuck with Symbian to nHD.
Apps just don’t scale nicely to high-resolution and this is main reason why new camera phone might actually still be nHD and not same resolution as Nokia N9
He mentions seeing ‘swipe UI’ type thing on low end, though not technically swipe UI just the three homescreens.
To make classic type of phones like Nokia touch and type or E6 type of phones. Resolution is not the biggest issue you need to design the layout as well.
WP UI is too complicated to work in different size of screens and to be usable for user.
best thing in Swipe UI is that it gives total freedom to app maker what kinda button layout they make and it also free the space from top and bottom 100% to application.
I really looking forward to see Nokia E6 type of phone with Swipe UI.
I have seen some “swipe ui” low end phones but they aren’t really swipe ui as only swipe feature is copy of “3 home screens”. UI has back/home button.
Some interesting concepts seen inside Nokia (lol, I wonder who he is? What if dsmobile is actually Marko Ahtisaari).
Apparently there’s a Nokia UI layout that would work across both tablets and small screen phones. Interesting.
Well I Have seen some design concepts inside Nokia that has UI layout that will work in all form-factors from tablets to smallest screen phones.
Only thing that changes is what you can see on the screen with out scrolling. Tablet you can see a lot at ones and small phone it will limit that and you need to scroll up/down to see everything what you see in tablet with out scrolling.
But that only fixes the OS UI. Solution for apps I haven’t seen in that design but it’s possible to make a guideline for apps that will carry the same idea about the UI design.
I need to say that concept really did look really really nice. It was some type of Cloud base OS concept but I was only interested about the UI as it is best I have seen so far with tablets/phones.
N8 successor , is nHD screen ok with you?
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Well, I don’t care too much about screen resolution. I have used e6,4s and 500 with different pixel density. It doesn’t make a big difference.
For apps, no, not really. For websites, most mobile websites these days are geared for 800×480.
What do you think will be the name of this device? Happy birthday to me. LOL!
Its my birthday too.
Happy birthday to the both of us!
Ah what a crap! Just copy apple and put the quadruple of resolution(1280×720) and scale twice legacy aplications… disappointing Nokia
dsmobile you think the N8 looks better from the back and the side ? Interesting.. its all personal preference, but still. Is it a completely new design, nothing left from the N8 at all ? I was really hoping they will try to evolve that design further.. So its going to be all plastic, with a removable battery cover ? boo!
The screen, if its nHD, will save battery for sure.. Just look at the Nokia Lumia 710 battery test from GSMarena.. pathetic.. i think they forgot that this isn’t symbian, and put that 1300 mah battery in there thinking it will be okay.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-lumia-710-competes-in-our-battery-test-here-are-the-results-test/
I don’t know why they don’t test one Symbian device.. it will be easy to compare Nokia Symbian vs. Nokia WP7
guess its just a camera update only!
Scrap the old crap and start a new platform. There isn’t too much to look back on the Symbian. Put decent screen into it, sidestep the vain resolution race and gain processing power and battery life lead instead. Concentrate on the camera.
The new N8X will have a crappy processor, small screen and little memory. Elops final nail in the coffin for Symbian based phones. Then again WP sells so little that MS fo not bother to mention its sales in the quarterly report. Bleak times ahead for Nokia indeed.
You do realize that Symbian also had “crappy processor, small screen and little memory” before Elop, right?
Past mistakes should not be repeated. It is a sign of intelligence to learn from ones mistakes.
“It is a sign of intelligence to learn from ones mistakes.”
And therefore that’s why Symbian is going.
Symbian was murdered, slowly but surely.(the same was with every Linux based OS attempt)
Long term successful European OS was not an option. Realize that!
Something successful, based on European values was(an still is)unacceptable for “others”…
And Maemo 6/Harmattan went too. They were sacrificed for a very unpopular OS with a tiny and shrinking market share that’s now close to 1%. For an OS that was totally unfinished, missing even basic functionality. One that will still be missing a lot of things for many months. An OS that has no and will not have Chinese language version (China being the most important market in the world and especially to Nokia) because it’s functionality is incompatible with Chinese writing. An OS that can handle only one manufacturer’s SoC. That manufacturer being the one that Nokia’s manufacturing plants were (are still?) incompatible with. So Nokia had to have the phones made in a third party plant while Nokia’s own plants were idling. Supports only one screen resolution. Has no multi-core support when dual-core is already the standard. And even cannot give proper support for making a good, let alone great cameras. Nokia of course being especially known for their awesome cameras.
And then there’s the February 11 and Burning Platform memo and other fuck ups that Elop has managed to do on a record breaking pace and efficiency.
That’s not a sign of intelligence. Not even near. It’s more like a sign of insanity.
I need to say something about the Burning Platform memo.
I’m not going to defend it’s contents. I’m keeping an open mind about the new strategy. I do find WP pretty nice. It is missing things. I’m skeptical as to whether or not it will “save” Nokia.
That memo was an INTERNAL memo. It was never meant to reach the public. We always blame Elop for everything (which is not without merit), but we should also blame the ASSHOLE that LEAKED the memo!
Look at it from this perspective. How do you go back from what was said in that memo? You can’t exactly retract it, or else as a new CEO you come off as someone w/out a solid plan. I often wonder how different things would have been announced on Feb. 11 if the memo hadn’t been leaked. If Nokia does indeed plan to support Symbian until 2016, was there any need to announce its EOL in 2011? With the leaked document, there was NO CHOICE but to address future plans for Symbian…IMMEDIATELY. MeeGo is another thing entirely, and I can understand bitterness towards it’s exclusion in future plans. But same holds true: the leaked memo showed a dramatic change in strategy. If it never was made public, Feb. 11 might have been announced differently.
The alternative, of course, would be to “hide” what future plans you have regarding certain things. I know people may think that is “sleazy” or “dishonest”, but that’s what ALL companies do. You never divulge your internal troubles/concerns to the public.
Just something to think about.
Well this is not the first ‘internal’ memo that has leaked out from a company. Controversial ‘internal’ memos always come out in public view.
If Elop did not expect the memo to leak out, then he’s a crappier CEO that anyone expected.
But the more annoying part was the amount of facts he had wrong in the memo. It actually showed that he didn’t know much about the company he was working for or that he wanted to spread wrong information.
I’m not saying Nokia as a company was doing good. Like others have pointed out before the company was already sinking in a sense before. The management was screwing up time and again. The n97 was an unforgivable mistake that actually started the free fall.
Imagine Elop had responsibly not made a memo like that. January when he saw that Meego was faltering and symbian was really struggling to keep up he did the same set of steps he did now (release a meego device, outsource symbian, and announce a partnership with microsoft for WP7). Then slowly started slow a phase out of symbian and keep meego as a development platform. Get your user base ready to transit to Windows Phone. Now that would have made him look responsible.
But what did he do, release a crappy memo which leaked (whether it was on purpose is debatable). When the N9 gains lot of positive media attention work all around to sabotage it (leak the lumia 800, not release it in important markets, say repeatedly that its success makes no difference to anything). Now thats an example of a crappy CEO.
+1
look at it differently. Elop is doing all this rubbish for the success of Wp7. The main concern was never about Nokia.
well the memo was so internal as the presentation of the “sea ray” prototype two day after n9 announcement..
Elop itself said that the memo was legit, /after/ it leaked. Do you think that any proper CEO would have done that? He could just say “We do not comment rumours” when asked about the memo. He didn’t.
it received critical aclaim from everybody that reviews it.
Chinese support was enabled in wp 7.5 with chinese apps available
http://www.penn-olson.com/2011/06/21/5-chinese-wp7-apps/
the marketshare increased recently.
Elop contacted nokia factory during nokia world to show the packaging of nokia lumia 800
another soc manufacture announced wp7 support.
More screen resolution coming in updates.
Camera api can be modified as htc titan mark two shown.
Dual core support is a needed by android and android only.
Elop was brought in as an agent of change. And he did exactly what he was ask to do.
well to show the “packaging”. you got it. lumias are made by compal.
to the camera issue. it’s not about the support of megapixels but of the image processing.
have you seen the battery life review of the lumia 710 on gsmarena? desaster. nokia was also known for good battery life. well when you buy a symbian device you actually have it.
are the factories for compal and nokia closeby? I i recall the nokia factory mentioned is romania. If not, it won’t make sense to merely make at compal then pack at romania. A the very least, assembly will be at nokia factories. And about them lying idle, the factories will keep churning out what they always did, arm 11 devices.
About imaging, i don’t see how arguing about this helps at all, both n9 and lumia is practically indistinguishable and both lose to iphone 4s. Rmbr infighting caused nokia’s fall.
Yer battery unfortunately i agree. Unless the same issues plague the nokia 800 plagues the 710.
Nokia’s trucks are a but slow, if the phones arrived in stores weeks, if not months after they were shipped during Nokia world
WTF?!! Nokia had the guts to choose Elop and pretty much throw everything out of the window and now they’re second-guessing with a better screen for the N8X for it to be compatible with older apps??? What about the future versions of Symbian???? Would they still be sticking with the nHD bec. of how apps look in a BETTER screen????
ooops sorry about the last part what I mean was that they’ll be sticking to it and deny us a better screen so 2010 apps would be compatible with 2013 phones.
Do not expect much.
Anything over 4″ is really stretching that resolution. It’s a shame really. I’m really hoping to see an N8 camera on a big display media spec’d Windows Phone released with AT&T bands on it. I’d buy it in a second. I hate carrying my N8 and Droid 3 around all the time.
wasn’t it stated that the purpose of thus memo was to shock nokia’s management and staff to realise and accept the reality of the matter?
All the infighting, ego, denial. E.gthe famous list of why iphone won’t make it. Maemo side lining, software division looked down upon…
Lastly, how sure are you that the memo came out in its original form? The official statement is that its sounded similar. It could have been a wp7 sympathizer who toned down the memo, or a symbian developer that exaggerated the contents.
And the n9, the strategy… Whats wrong? According to you, Elop actions without the memo is justified. His crime, is the memo. What if he did release it in us and it became an amazing hit, (unlikely since us is so app centric) is he going to flip flop around and tell the devs, well fuck you for being loyal to us, we are going to change strategy again, even when we just changed our strategy in feb!
As mentioned before, Elop himself said pretty soon that the memo was legit.
Vanjoki had clearly understood the mess Nokia was in as he apologised for N97 and called for new operating model for software development. He was also one of the people who launched the development of N9 and Swipe and new method for product development and design as part of it. Elop just ditched it.
The memo was out before the announcement. You’ve got your facts mixed. And what he did was fuck the developers and suppliers, who just had hired and trained people for Meego and Qt and then Elop told the world that the future platform where “Nokia does their best work” is WP. Which is incompatible with Nokia’s prvious assets.
what i meant is why n9 was not released in the important markets.
He also flooded the market with cheap phones to boost marketshare.
And did elop do the wrong thing? The ex ceo might have planned for a awesome device, but the ecosystem? The apps? Why cant nokia do what ms can do in one year? Pay their way to an ecosystem? He certainly had money. But he did not put it to good use.
Kinda ironic really. Nokia finally bring out their best N phone since N95, and they just give up & bet their future on Microsoft instead. I just wish Nokia would sell the N9 in markets like the UK, then maybe they’d see what a great phone they have created. If Elop’s Wp7 gamble doesnt pay off, then Nokia will be a great company gone down the drain. But if the worst happens , then the N9 will be the phone that people look at & wonder what could have been…
That is exactly why they don’t sell the N9 everywhere, people will start to ask logical questions, and that would be bad for the WP strategy… All of it is just so silly. Symbian is perfectly fine for the mid-low end, and MeeGo would have been enough for the high end, with QT bringing everything together. And all of it: European “ecosystem”.. now, Nokia, along with the Asian cartel, are all MS-Google’s bitches. It will all come around, and it will be nice and clear for everyone to see and realize what really happened, but it will be too late.
apologies for the language there at the end, but all of this gets me for some reason.
Same sentiments, i have a feeling that the N8 successor will have the same fate as the n9. Release the device in select areas and make a wp7 version once the os is capable of the imaging requirements.
With HUGE camera, one will need HUGE battery for it to operate in parties that last whole night. nHD will do the job to save the battery.
Also, obviously huge storage to store space hungry videos from 18 mega pixel camera will be required.
I hope Nokia take care of the issues.
We don’t need 18 mega pixel camera, we need better sensor and same amount of mega pixels, 16 GB internal memory is ok, if you need more buy a micro sd card and, the main thing we need is armv7 CPU (it would be perfect if it was Arm Cortex A9 Multi core CPU because this year we shell see Arm Cortex A15 Multi core on 32/28nm) and 1800-2000 mAh.
It is not like I am demanding 18 mega pixel camera but obviously, successor of a legend camera phone must be a standout camera giant.
Sensor? yes it should be good.
CPU? As a simple consumer i will want it to have everything great but as per marketing perspective it is not possible to pack single phone with so many goodies. So not possible at all specially in phone known only for its camera.
16GB storage? internal storage may vary but i am looking for it to be able to support 64GB sd card (as N9.
Interesting…
Almost smells like Meltemi.
But of course it’s not.