Nokia Lumia 800 sold out in Finland?
Apparently there’s reports that the Nokia Lumia 800 is fairing well in NokiaLand, with Elisa (Finland) declaring the handset has sold out at its stores.
Just the day before that news, YLE posted that reactions to Nokia’s Lumia was positive and better than EXPECTED. Note, no one really knows what Nokia’s expectations for its first Windows Phone handset was. It has over a million now with slow release to a few countries; it must be reiterated again that in the 6 weeks and initial 6 countries, shipping in volume was not due until this year.
Apparently Elisa said high expecations of the Lumia 800 and they say sales had gone as expected too. That suggests some good numbers there (though none are disclosed, the fact Elisa had high expectations and they were met is a good thing).
According to Jonne Eilimö who works at Gigantti, it’s selling a lot too.
Sources: kauppalehti.fi, YLE, via esphoneblog
Cheers Jonne and Viipottaja for the tip
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Angry people a shouting at Elop and defending N9 for a reason in 3… 2… 1…
But seriously, great for Nokia! Hope this kind of sale continues in other countries!
For the first time today someone came up to me, saw me holding my phone and asked, “is that a Windows Phone?”
It was my cyan N9. Just saying. (I’m in USA)
Haha… Good. At least people know Windows Phone. I didn’t even know it until August last year…
Yeah, I think it’s got a real shot in america, especially if microsoft gets windows 8 right
The new kinect stuff sounds intriguing
what kind of sales? no numbers!
from the n9 we know that it got to the bestseller lists.
So? The 800 is on the best seller lists in a number of countries.
Clue in the title…
Yes… so j’s point is…?
Help me out here.
Wtf? Just because it sold out doesn’t mean its a best seller. Nokia barely made any units anyway.
How many 800′s sold? 1.2Million.. How many N9s? 2Million.. Nokia pushed 800 as hard as they could and gave the N9 no hope yet it still sold more..
WP sucks compared to Meego, just a fact really..
How long has the N9 been on sale? How many countries was it on sale in? Has it sold as well in countries where both are available?
Hmm?
I can’t comment as to whether WP sucks compared to MeeGo on the basis I don’t have an N9. The prospect of shelling out on a pretty but unsupported and underpowered white elephant didn’t appeal to me. WP, however, is very nice.
haha you know, here in austria the n9 was to get with operator support till, yes till the lumia arrived. So don’t ask how the n9 does when it’s on sale together with lumia. In germany btw. The n9 was never released. To dangerous for lumia? Btw. Nokia should finally tell the n9 numbers!
According to the recent canalys report , only 0.6 million n9 were shipped . so, you trolls can stop posting random numbers out of your ass
And were does canalys gets is numbers from?? You know just the simple fact that they say nokia sold over 1.2 milion WP phones in Q4 makes you wonder because we know it did not. It shipped “well over 1 million up until today” and today was a week ago not December the 31..
So to answer my question, I guess canalys pulls them out of their respective ass as well.
Is your reading comprehension skills so low ?
nokia said that it had sold 1 million lumia phone ( not shipped ) . why do you even reply and make yourself look like a dummy ?
AFIK nokia assigned the shied LUMIAS to retailers as Sold.
But I did not comment that shiped=!sold that is all you, what I did say was that 1.2 could be based on the number Nokia gave, that was until end of January. “Well Over 1 Million”. Obviously Canalys got that wrong and understood Q4. Witch leads-me to the conclusion that they pull their numbers out well….their ass.(or at lest were pretty incompetent about it)
Now the fact that you have to turn something as simple as that into a personal insult, Says a lot about your character.
Whoa! Hang on…
Canalys are on of the big four research companies and their estimates are going to be a hell of a lot better than the random calculations of a bunch of guys on a message board.
Now I thought the N9 sold more but apparently it didn’t. The Lumia range seems to have eclipsed it quite comfortably even given the smaller number of markets.
Perhaps it’s time to stop playing the ‘should of gone with MeeGo card’ because it’s starting to look like that would have been a really bad idea?
Well at least in WP topics anyway.
If you want to play that game, and still one as to explain to me the “until end of January. Well Over 1 Million”, if it was in Q4 how come the need to refer the “up untill now”
But ok if you like Canalys research how do you feal about the wp market share????
Something that small should be growing not shrinking???
For nokia sake I do hope its selling really well, as its NOKIA only platform…
I never said it was a bad idea to try wp, what I say is.. bad idea to kill nokia sales numbers to promote wp possible sales.
Well, at least in principle its possible that that 1.2 million Lumias were SHIPPED in Q4 but only 1+ were SOLD by 26 Jan. Similarly, it is possible that a big number of N9s were SHIPPED already at end of Q3 and mosly SOLD in Q4, and that another 0.6 million of them SHIPPED in Q4.
So, it is quite possible that N9 had by end of Q4 SOLD considerably more than the Lumias.
@noki ….. either you dont even understand the difference between shipped and sold , or you are one those pathetic trolls . “1.2 million lumia handsets where shipped in Q4 ” and ” well over 1 million lumia were sold till date ( may be until 26th JAN) ” .
Божхе мой… Haven’t sold out AFAIK. Black with Elisa yes, but others? No idea. Need to ask retailers come middday or something. Doubt greatly it being sold out, though people have shown very strong interest.
This is what always pissed me off about Nokia.
Show us the numbers.
It always makes it seem like they never have anything concrete or anything to brag about.
How about unique devices downloading stuff from the Store?
There’s a problem with showing numbers. Sometimes most people would instantly compare the Lumia sales to the most popular and highest-end Android phone or the iPhone 4S, disregarding the fact that the Lumia is just a few months old, Nokia is in a transition and WP7 is just starting out (in terms of popularity).
If there’s one thing I dislike, it’s people that’s trying to be too objective, basing too much on numbers, never basing on the whole bigger picture.
Don’t try to back it up with some b.s. speech.. Numbers are what matter in the end..
You’re right, Rock. And the phrase ‘in the end’ is what matters.
You might understand that one day. Then again, maybe not.
Show you, personally, the numbers? Who’s better than you?
Yeah, I’m sure they’ll get right on that in the coming weeks
And price! There are vital parts missing
Just curious, how does Nokia bragging help you, or anyone for that matter ? Whether a company boast or not is a non issue, once their products are getting into the channels and seeing light of day distributing. If the Finns think it’s worth their money ,then so, if I feel the same way, likewise. If they only sold one, it wouldn’t matter to me, once the device satisfies my mobile/productivity needs.
Gee, I dunno, let’s review the mobile space in the past 5 frakkin’ years and figure out why marketing matters.
Big numbers matter (figuratively and literally). Creating buzz, desire, and all that shit matters. Having charismatic, passionate leaders matter. Having the appearance of a stable, has their shit together, speaking with voice company matters. IMAGE MATTERS.
Obviously Nokia should just keep on doing what they’ve been doing for the past 5 years. That’s the formula for success.
These devices have only been on sale in Finland for 3-4 days. At this point, it’s dumb to start releasing numbers. It hasn’t even been on sale through a weekend, where many people have more time to purchase such things. What? Do you expect for numbers to be released EVERY time some person on a comment section asks for one?
ha, ha you’re swedish, then so – då så
Show you numbers?
What will you do with them? If they sold 1 million will you buy or not?
You should ask samsung to show their numbers for each phone, never happened.
Nokia did tell numbers a week or two ago, if you are interested then you can google it, or are you just trolling?
Meanwhile, Comscore just reported that WP7 market share was down in the USA for Q4.
when are you going to stop trolling man, this isn’t healthy
Excellent… and this has what to do with Nokia given that the 710 didn’t go on sale there until Q1 2011?
2012, you meant.
Indeed! Still have wrong date fever!
You don’t think that after 16 months, having less market share than the previous version is relevant or that in the first quarter of WP7.5 devices, market share dropped in it’s home market?
No. It means that I don’t expect miracles overnight and think that determining the progress of an OS is a bit stupid without considering the impact of a dedicated focus by a major hardware manufacturer and a substantial marketing campaign.
Which we’re not going to know until Q3 2012. Could be bad, could be good. Simply won’t know until then.
Simples, innit?
You sound like a Windows Phone paid poster…
You sound like a butthurt douche looking for any excuse not to actually respond to people’s comments. But we’re not here to talk about each other’s character’s now are we, you douchebag?
you are!
And you sound like a sad little man with no views of his own.
Grow up. Not everyone has the same opinion.
Mark you like to attack meego and what not, but do you notice that the arguments you use for WP can be just as well used for meego?
I don’t like to attack MeeGo. That’s why I don’t go into topics about the N9 and MeeGo to do so.
I wish MeeGo fans would afford us the same courtesy.
Now be honest to yourself. Which of the carriers in US was pushing WP7 before T-Mo got 710 and began pushing it?
@inept Those are COMBINED Windows Mobile + Windows Phone sales. But you already knew that right? You just like to troll
You’re right, that’s my mistake. Nevertheless, it bodes extremely poorly for Microsoft that its market share is dropping in its home market more than a year after launch during the year’s biggest spending season. What we can infer is that WP7 is not picking up the slack generated by declines in WM and that’s very bad news indeed.
[sarcasm]
oh noes!! the further Americanizing of the Finns. Would someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!!!??!?
[/sarcasm]
Actually, Finland has been recognized as the most “American” country in Europe for some time. Compared to say, France. Sorry, I don’t have a link to prove it. All of us American (me) and Finnish citizens really like each other! When will they start exporting Lapin Kulta to America?
you can tell nokia singapore is dying base on the number of new posts for nokia forum@harwarezone.com.sg singapore popular hardware forum.
Yes, that’s a clear indicator. Why use silly things like ‘sales’ when we can use board hits!
actually he has a point, in Malaysia lowyat forum is very popular and nokia threads even before elop is so bloody sad. They have like 5-10 active posters at any one time while android numbers is the hundreds all the time. And by that i mean 2-3 hundreds.
Lumia so far has no noticeable effect, but its only launching on Feb 10.
Black vesion only sold out from Elisa Stores
Lumias also flying off the shelves in verkkokauppa.com
Looks promising I would say. Neven thought that this wp -thing would take off, but it seems to do so.
It good to notice that this time Nokia has reserved enough phones to meet the demand. Of course some stores may be sold out, but still.
Pökö, you’re our dear commenter and we appreciate you very much. But you’re living in a world of make-believe. With flowers and bells and leprechauns, and magic frogs with funny little hats…
*hides*
Well, Finland is what it is, can’t really change that.
We also believe in Santa Claus. So, yeah..
Lumia is not sold out. Only the black colour version of Lumia sold out ib some Elisa shops..
“Musta Lumia 800 myytiin loppuun Elisan myymälöistä”
“Musta” =black
“myytiin”= sold
“loppuun” to the end. (out)
“Elisan”=Elisa’s
“myymälöistä” stores.
“ja vain tietyistä myymälöistä”
“ja” = and
“vain” only
“tietyissä” some, spesific ones
“myymälöissä” = stores.
Nokia stock down another -2,96% in helsinki, the same day as this news.
Shh. It’s more fun to gloss over these unimportant details.
The main thing is it “sold” and “out”.
That’s all we need to know!
don’t pour water on their parade
Not sold out where I live.
lumia sold out? again?
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/11/23/nokia-lumia-800-sold-out-in-some-orange-stores/
so and we know how the story ended in the poor sales of lumia at launch.
J lets give it the benefit of doubt…It’s Finland if there is one country were NOKIA can sell its Finland.
Being honest the WP is not a terrible OS, and as many here say once people play with it for a bit longer than 5 minutes a good part of the people like it.
I still think Its criminal to force feed this into nokia and its consumers, and that NOKIA will lose even more market share out of this, but for NOKIA sake lets hope it sells way more than what we expect it, at least 3 million on this Quarter… Or probably NOKIA as we knew it, wont exist by the end of Q3-Q4.
You’re absolutely right, j, we’ve seen numerous posts on this blog about ‘sold out’, ‘bestseller’ or ‘top of the list’.
First in France, then The Netherlands, it’s was out of stock all over England and now it’s Finland’s turn.
All we know is that the Lumia have sold a mere 1 million, an absolute embarressment.
So the conclusion can only be that those reports were made by people who are either blind or act like they were payed to bring possitive news.
Or both of course.
really wishing its selling spectacularly well, Nokia needs to sell at the absolute minimum 3 mullion lumias this quarter.
These are the latest sales of black Lumia 800 in Verkkokauppa.com:
▼Viimeksi myyty
Pe 3.2.2012 13:40 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 13:36 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 13:30 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 13:23 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 12:45 1 kpl
With kpl meaning quantity.
This is for cyan in the same store:
▼Viimeksi myyty
Pe 3.2.2012 14:19 2 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 14:16 3 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 14:14 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 14:11 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 14:09 1 kpl
And the last one is for magenta (doesn’t seem that popular in Finland):
▼Viimeksi myyty
Pe 3.2.2012 13:47 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 13:45 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 11:17 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 10:08 1 kpl
Pe 3.2.2012 09:13 1 kpl
All in all, Verkkokauppa has sold out Cyan in all other stores except Pirkkala (where they have 7 left at the moment I write this). They have them in central warehouse though, undisclosed amount. They black in stores though, with following quantities:
Jätkäsaari, Helsinki 8 kpl
Pirkkala 12 kpl
Oulu 11 kpl
Kioski 24h 0 kpl
Aand with Magenta the situation is following:
Jätkäsaari, Helsinki 15 kpl
Pirkkala 10 kpl
Oulu 0 kpl
Kioski 24 h 0 kpl
Verkkokauppa is quite a big retailer when it comes to electronic devices, but it’s still just one chain with just four stores in Finland. So, it isn’t that telling in the end. Hope it helps though.
Also, note, the chain HAS those devices in the warehouse. My guess is they got several hundred Lumias of each color, but I can’t get any definitive numbers, so… Take it how you will.
oh, and sorry, when I refer to store with those times, I mean the whole chain. That’s how it works AFAIK.
@Keizka…Not sure if those sales volumes are considered good by typical standards, but it looks great to me. I remember when the Galaxy Nexus launched on Verizon – the sales staff at one store that I visited were ectastic that they sold out of that device and considered it a success as a result – they received 8 devices! So, if selling out of 8 devices is a ‘success’, then the sales of these Lumia devices is super successful!
I would think that the Black Lumia would sell more, but it appears that Nokia has a winner with the Cyan color. If this is any indication, AT&T better stock plenty of the Cyan Lumia 900′s
Give it a little time. It just came out a couple days ago. Once the initial demand is sated, expect the enthusiasm to fall quite a bit.
By the way, the N8 Green version also sells several items per day, at least on some days.
Ke 28.12.2011 14:55 1 kpl
Ti 27.12.2011 17:40 1 kpl
Ti 27.12.2011 16:28 1 kpl
Ti 27.12.2011 15:11 1 kpl
Ti 27.12.2011 14:48 1 kpl
So it really is nothing all that special, unless it keeps going for weeks on end.
That’s over a month ago when it sold last time. And the situation with other colours is quite similar, if you did look.
That was my point, end of december was holiday sales, so it sold more per day. Here the phone just came out, so it sells more than usual. After that I expect it to even out to N9 levels.
The problem with WP is not the UI (or, more precisely, not mainly the UI) but the desire of Microsoft to have the most closed platform ever. This worked for Apple for one reason: they had the hugely successful iPod line, which was backed by the game-changing success of iTunes. The first iPhone was marked as better iPod with phone call capability and was no smartphone at all. Microsoft has no huge media store, no “coolness” and no clue what they are doing.
Here are some important areas and how the major smartphone platforms are comparing with each other:
1. User Interface. Apple is conservative (icon grid) but pretty and predictable. Android is all experiments, very flexible but fragmented and sometimes illogical. WP is convenient and very good for the basic tasks but is most rigid and counter-intuitive of them all. Symbian before Belle: powerful but ugly and inconsistent; after Belle – much more consistent, prettier and more flexible than Apple and WP (but Android is far ahead in flexibility).
2. Platform design (OS kernel). Apple is using iOS, which is scaled down version of desktop operating system. WP is using the old windows mobile kernel, which is total mess but it does not matter as they are very closed and the developers have no access to the system anyway; also WP kernel is fast. Android has the sound linux kernel. Symbian is worst of all, is it is using the ancient epoc kernel, which can not be easily upgraded to support multiple cores, or any other new hardware.
3. Platform design (middleware). Apple uses scaled down version of their desktop middleware layer with some extensions. It is consistent and fast (Objective C is almost as fast as C++ with most tasks). Android is not good here as its reliance to Java-like JIT code is making them very slow on comparable hardware with the other systems. The only advantage of Java is that it can easily be ported to other CPU architectures, which may prove beneficial once Intel starts pushing ARM but right now this is a liability and a huge one. Symbian uses C++ but it is total mess and the main reason why the platform has so little apps with so big installed base. Qt fixed all this but it was too late and allowed Elop to take over the company and kill anything but WP. WP… now this is pure “genius”. They are using only C# and .NET (no C++, no OpenGL). I know that C++ is coming but it may be too little, too late. C# is good for writhing a lot of simple apps but it is useless when trying to do something really useful.
4. Availability of store and developer opportunities in different countries. Symbian is first here with huge lead – they are literally everywhere and you can write for them for 1 EUR wherever you live. Second is… Apple! They are almost everywhere and in most countries in the world, you can write for them for 100 USD per year. Google is third with big distance after Apple and them comes WP, which is dead last.
Don’t get me wrong. Microsoft has a fighting chance but it has to do the following things very fast:
1. Allow C++ and OpenGL development.
2. Open the platform at least as Symbian. The developers will fill the feature gaps faster than Microsoft or any other company can do it.
3. Position themselves as the opposite of Apple, not the opposite of Google. Right now they are Apple wanna-be and this will never work for them.
4. Get rid of the rigid UI. The home screen is OK but the rest must be much more flexible. If the user wants grid of icons instead of list, he must be able to do it. Also the whole text UI only is stupid. Provide more traditional looking themes and let the user choose.
5. Emphasis hugely on Windows integration. But NOT by making Windows look more like WP !!!
Sorry about my grammar errors – English is not my native language.
Allowing C++ and OpenGL doesn’t make it more open…
That’s how it works for actual developers. Different platforms use different languages. If you are behind in the race and you have to support one language to get developers on board, it would definitely be .NET (remember that is also ASP.NET, VB.NET, and more).
You could say every other platform is closed for not allowing .NET and vice versa.
I think WP8 will rememdy a lot of these issues, but it’s hard to get mad at WP for not having everything you want for such a new OS.
Also I’m an experienced C++ and DirectX programmer, and I’m not sure I follow when you say only useful apps can be written in C++…If you mean only games then sure, some complex graphical games will definitely want C++, but OpenGL ES and DirectX 9.0c(XNA) which are supported on mobiles don’t really offer close to the complex things OpenGL and DirectX 11 can do for bleeding edge. In fact a lot of complex software I come across is mostly .NET and Java.
You make some good points I will agree, but you also can’t fault an OS for not catering to certain people’s specific preferences.
Very good analysis IMO
Windows Phone Tiles UI sucks!
Not as good as your mother though
C’mon did you design the Metro UI????? How come you have to take everything so personal… giii.
“WP is convenient and very good for the basic tasks but is most rigid and counter-intuitive of them all.”
Having access to all my contacts and social media in one place is counter-intuitive?
Not seeing that one.
1. C++ and OpenGL would be nice, not necessary though
2. just please, don’t
3. Do your own thing
4. customization options are always good, but there are more important things
5. Emphasis hugely on Windows integration. Keep going on the current path of using a simple tablet-like GUI for those who want one with the option of turning it off (yes, you can turn it off, and not just by messing with the registers). I’d really want to have metro on one display, and the Win7 -style on another.
WP Kernel is fast, Symbian is slow… how did you measure it? What benchmarks have you taken? how did you relate execution speed to cpu clock, processor type, used ram… Don’t you have feeling that Symbian phones are pretty down scaled comparing to 1.4GHz WP phones?
You mentioned “epoc kernel, which can not be easily upgraded to support multiple cores” – how do you know that? Symbian LTD announced SMP (symetrical multi processing) in 2008, tests for Symbian^3^4 were running up to 2010 (then Elop came, SF was dismissed). I am nearly sure that Symbian with multicore support exists and information about “Donna” just supports that.
Good points about UI, agree… Still, I don’t want it in my pocket.
I call shenanigans.
Finns en masse are extremely angry at what Elop did with Nokia and every single one I know that was thinking of getting a new Nokia phone are going to boycott the WP line. The majority aren’t even necessarily getting a Nokia, but looking at iPhone and Android as alternatives.
Of course, if you put your expectactions at the extreme low end, then they can claim they’ve been surpassed.
Like they claimed Lumia was sold out and had stellar sales in Europe and in the end only sold 1 mil.
But disinformation from Elop and Co. is nothing new.
Yah I read that Microsoft flew in foreigners to cue up in lines and brave the cold to get the phone.
I also read that all stores only had 2 Lumias in stock so they could say they sold out.
I also read that Nokia was about to cure world hunger and then they partnered with Microsoft and Elop was like fuck world hunger.
I also read that Symbian is the most desired smartphone but Microsoft paid people to keep that info quiet.
I also read that Nokia’s market share was super high and it didn’t go down until Elop came.
I also read that people actually give a shit about the Nikia/MS venture in Finland as much as the commenters on mynokiablog.com
I also read that…
I also read that you are a paid MS troll, just read it from an e-mail I got directly from Ballmer.
Haha that would pretty much follow with the rest of my statements now wouldn’t it.
That’s was sort of the whole point. We “read” here that something is “selling well” and is “sold out”.
It’s not necessarily to be believed verbatim.
No, you just got pwned, zorg. Take it like a man.
As for speaking for all Finns. What arrogance!
Stop crying and move on.
You are an idiot that in addition can’t read.
I was speaking of the people I personally know.
Stuff it. And fix your attitude.
At the same time, fix your own attitude.
Does your clipboard come with ‘MS Troll’ ‘paid by ballmer’ and similar ready for pasting?
How did you guess?
my mS employee guidebook said to watch out for you guys. =D
“Finns en masse are extremely angry at what Elop did”
Your words. Not mine.
I appreciate English, or even French in this instance, may not be your first language, but do you actually know what ‘en masse’ means?
I suggest you find out before you start accusing others of idiocy.
Your posting history and behaviour shows your intelligence in an unfavourable light. The fact that you cannot see it, reflect on the same.
I perfectly know what “en masse” means.
Losses of thousands of jobs and Nokia’s position as market leader, loss of IP property and assets anger my countrymen. En masse.
Get the hell out of here.
The expectations were in the thousands and that’s what the Lumia is selling. Majority of people, or even smartphone users, couldn’t care less about “what Elop did with Nokia”, they just want a good phone, and are biased to buy the same brand they last used.
Nokia never claimed any numbers, the report only said “well over a million”, which can be anywhere between 1 and 1.5 million, which isn’t really great, but not that terrible either.
“Majority of people, or even smartphone users, couldn’t care less about “what Elop did with Nokia”, they just want a good phone, and are biased to buy the same brand they last used.”
Not true in Finland.
If this was any place but here, I’d agree with you. But I live here and see things how they are.
“Not true in Finland.”
Ok. Sales figures for Finland please.
Put up or shut up.
Just read some background info about Nokia and Finland. This is a fact you can find info about from everywhere..
I can see that you, sitting halfway across the world, seem to know more about Finland and the Finns than I, an ethnic Finn living in Finland.
Whatever gets you to sleep at night..
I don’t profess to know anything about Finns or Finland. You on the other hand are proposing that, since Finns are upset about Nokia’s decision, Lumia sales in Finalnd will be poor.
So I’m asking you for sales numbers to validate that point. Although correlation does not imply causation one would expect low Lumia sales numbers to provide a strong case for your argument. All you have to do is provide them.
In your own time. No rush.
Incidentally I wouldn’t class Scotland as half way round the world from Finland but then I don’t presume to know where other people are from.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam? Prove to me that they DO sell. Show me the numbers of that.
We have a similar hype for Q4 and only a million sales to show for it.
In your own time. No rush.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam? Prove to me that they DO sell. Show me the numbers of that.
We have a similar hype for Q4 and only a million sales to show for it.
In your own time. No rush.
Scotland, eh? You must be working for that PR firm that runs Conversations then, I guess. The style of ignorance and denial is very similar. Note, that I do not think you are actually as ignorant as you come across. But your job here demands you do in order to avoid facing the facts and replying to them. It’s quite transparent, really.
And you still cannot speak for all of us. Ethnic Finn too.
Seriously, get off that high horse of yours. Like it or not, the device is selling surprisingly well. Reviews by Mikrobitti, Tekniikan Maailma and the likes have been generally favourable, which might help. While you personally might be enraged by MS/Nokia collaboration, seems like the average Finn isn’t giving a poop either way.
N9 sold likewise well here, and you know it.
Well, seeing how I live here too, I too have a pretty good idea. =)
I won’t deny that there’re some teenagers (and paid people) flaming Nokia (on some sites), but they already did that well before the WP-change.
Most of the people over 20 that I know, are pretty open minded about it all.
Perhaps it is more the circles that one moves in. I generally talk about Nokia with people who share my interests and are aware of what is going on in tech world, or are somehow connected with it. The rest aren’t interested, so I don’t bring it up.
My impression is that more are interested and aware than otherwise.
But we’ll see in sales figures whether Finnish sales made any difference. I can already savour the apologists’ comments when sales actually tank here as well.
Just to be clear, what would you consider good sales?
IMO 250k would be wonderful(propably around 10% of the smarphone market), 70k good, 25k acceptable. It’s a small country after all.
Well, this info is from retailers and carriers, not Nokia/Elop.
Sure, they probably had fairly small stock, and the initial lines were in big part created by the free Xboxes given to the first 10 or whatever it was.
I can tell you that when N8 started selling, they didn’t sell this much of it. I was tracking that thing at http://www.verkkokauppa.com back then. There was probably one sold every 1 to 2 hours. So this is more popular, clearly.
Been thinking the same.
I recall having to look around for weeks to get the N8 in the colours I wanted (October-December 2010). And I recall verkkokauppa being sold out on green, for example.
I don’t see how Lumia is more popular here than N8, seriously. All colours are freely available – and that’s taking into account that the phone isn’t even produced here, but has to be shipped in from China.
The browser market share for WP has increased by around 50 % this week . so, its safe to assume that lumia handsets are selling excellently .
http://wmpoweruser.com/i-think-finland-likes-the-nokia-lumia-800/
Yeap +++