Rumour: Nokia 808 PureView – with CRAZY camera resolution *30-40MP*? (X-ray vision optional :p jk)

| February 13, 2012 | 166 Replies

Possibly the hottest news Nokia fans are waiting for is the much awaited N8 successor. I’ve grouped together our related posts on it so far (hopefully picked up most but feel free to link ones I’ve missed)

N8 Successor

Here’s another snippet of juicy gossip from none-other than our resident Nokia insider, dsmobile. Thanks dsmobile! He has been commenting some VERY interesting things that corroborates some info I’ve been sitting on for a while and frankly, I thought was very unlikely myself, so I was really surprised on hearing about it from more sources (there’s about 3 more now with such info) and now from dsmobile.

He says the Camera’s resolution is…crazy.

No info about the screen. But Camera’s resolution is …. crazy. :)

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/02/13/nokias-mwc-lineup-leaked-pocketnow/comment-page-1/#comment-516265

CRAZY.

What’s crazy to you? 16mp? Nope. 24mp? That’s around DSLR territory perhaps (well most are around 18Mmp).

What about 30MP? 40MP? 41MP :P?

If true, then this is PRECISELY some big Nokia guns they needed to show. This is precisely what we need from the N8 successor, especially since we did not see one in 2011.

Other thoughts

  • Thank goodness the public are not really aware of what makes good cameras. They think more MP = Better. But wait, I’m not interested in fooling them because…
  • Thank goodness this camera phone is made by Nokia and obviously headed by Damian Dinning. That guy doesn’t mess around with what Nokia puts in their flagship camera phones. What goes in is only what is done very well (e.g. why Nokia waited to put 8MP in N86, why we waited a while then to see a flagship camera in N8 which of course to this DAY whoops the camera in every other phone and even many point and shoots).
    • However, hopefully these file sizes won’t be too big (Nokia’s pretty excellent on compression
    • Hopefully also they won’t take too long to process. Nokia loves showing the in between shot times of the N9. We’ll be looking for something similar.
  • True Zoom – won’t say too much on this but it might be obvious now. Optical zoom or…
  • Symbian? Whilst Nokia NEEDS this handset to be WP for the sake of their new strategy, this will please many Symbian fans looking for a proper update and they deserve such a handset. Well done Symbian for picking up the slack where WP just can’t get to at the moment. To heck with doing your best work on WP. Do your best work, Nokia on a Nokia. Yes make sure your WP is better than other manufacturers, but don’t artificially weaken one thing for another. This has been the problem necrotic core at Nokia for the past few years. When something is good, deliver it to market in any way possible. With Nokia Belle (or Carla), it brings Symbian up to a very usable stage that I really couldn’t say about S^3 or Anna.

What about video? Damian has said many times before (and apparently has said recently) on the indication that when Nokia does 1080p it will be done PROPERLY, not some craphash that we see from some Droids (some btw are acceptable for me, some look like, WTF was the point in that).

 

Such a high resolution will certainly make attention grabbing headlines (perhaps even to traditional news media) should it come to a reality.

We have heard rumours (and possibly it’s common sense knowing Nokia) to expect the N8 successor to have the largest camera sensor ever on a phone. We were told a long while ago (2010) that upcoming Nokia camera phones would/could replace DSLRs. We saw in some instances the Nokia N8 doing precisely that. Elop has said what we see in N8 is just a small fraction of what Nokia’s capable of in their labs and his job is to get stuff like that to market (and not stuck there doing nothing). Just back last year, we also heard rumours that this will be a SUPER camera phone. Super camera phones and Crazy MP count seem to go hand in hand right?

(Trace it back info we know/suspect:

N8 Successor)

Now again, MP is not what makes the picture. But being the NOKIA camera phone flagship and Damian Dinning on the helm you know we can rely on Nokia to deliver on QUALITY too. The same questions were had about the N8′s 12MP. Why was the resolution so high at the time? But the N8 proved Nokia’s point. It was useful. It did DELIVER in awesome quality photos. It also allowed for other stuff like optical zoom quality like zoom :p

Oh, one last. Being a super camera, xray vision (as films portray it) wouldn’t be too far fetched, no? Haha, dsmobile is joking around.

Oh man, MWC is going to be awesome. Even more of a kicker that I’m choosing not to go due to uni commitments. When it does arrive though we will tell you all about it and eventually, hopefully get a hands on too.

This is certainly one way to go back into MWC in a BIG way :)

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/16/nokia-finally-going-at-mwc-in-a-big-way-next-year/

 

These are all of course, just rumours :).  And there’s so much more to be excited about:p

Category: N8 Successor, Nokia, Rant, Rumours

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  • Twig

    Its a Windows phone or its both. Htc bypassed the limits of current Windows, so can Nokia. The phone in pocketnow leak looks like last march pictures showing it as both windows and Symbian.

    • Pökö

      I think its pretty sure a Symbian phone.

      What comes to megapixels, I would guess that main spec for that comes from the ability to shoot as good 1080p video as N8 does 720p. So there has to be “true zoom” of 3x in it. This would mean horizontal pixels about 6000 (1920×3). And depending if the sensor is 16:9 or 4:3 the vertical amount being 4500-4000. Aproxx of course.

      But anyways this would make either 27Mpx or 24Mpx sensor.

      Of course the physical size of the sensor should follow the increased pixel amount so interesting to see what they come up with.

      And xenon is absolutely needed. Maybe one led in addition to work as flash light :)

      • Norseman

        Your thinking is correct Poko. Final number is, if I remember correctly, 35Mpx though. (Censor is round….)

      • dss

        good call! Maybe they will go for 2x zoom this time …

  • Cod3rror

    Hot damn, that has got me interested. Especially is DS is OK this rumour.

    Nokia wants to take Symbiam out with a bang!

    MWC should be interesting, out of all Nokia’s rumoured line up this is the only phone that interests me, maybe that cheap Lumia too, just interested in price.

    HTC should also have a good offering, a quad core super phone, they finally moved away from Qualcomm and will be using Tegra 3, should be interesting.

    Too bad Samsung won’t be unveiling Galaxy S III.

    • Twig

      I wonder how much longer Samsung will make Androids with the Moto buy. They did say they were working on their own os which means ios copy.

      • dss

        They should just buy Symbian off Nokia .. easy way of getting their own OS

        • zonk0r

          If i remeber rightly, they are considering a merge of Bada (their own OS) and Tizen (branched from MeeGo)

          so really.. they already have Nok’s OS :P

        • reptile

          you mean off Accenture.

    • migo

      Fake cod3rror now?

    • Prasenjit Bist

      gud cod3err seems to have chaged quite, welcome back bro….

      • Cod3rror

        Thanks! What a warm welcome you guys!

      • migo

        He hasn’t changed, this isn’t him.

        • Jay Montano

          Actually, it is. Unless he somehow knew how to take commenting details from the last Cod3rror.

          Yup, I know, Bizzare.

          He said he disappeared when askimet kept filtering him out which is apparently the explanation for his lack of Nokia downward arrow graphic. Not sure why. We’ve been having several reports of certain links not appearing either. Spam filter seems to be having a bad time.

  • http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%C5%B5%BC%C7 aikon171

    so what is the true name of the successor of N8?
    803 or 808?

    where is 802?

  • prashant

    i hope this ds is false.

  • Carbontubby

    As long as it’s not 24mp and 10 megs for each JPEG :) The phone should better come with 64 gigs of storage then.

    For all the successor N8 love, us physical keypad aficionados don’t hold out much hope for a proper E90 successor compared to the badly compromised E7. C’mon Nokia, surprise us, let the last Communicator be the best one.

    • ICEman

      most probably it will have 64Gb and no option for expanding memory

      • dsmobile

        16/32 + mSD.

        • reptile

          Awesome! :D

          Thanks for that very specific information :P

    • reptile

      Well, nothing’s for certain yet. For all we know, the 808 could have every single feature ever devised ;)

    • dsmobile

      Lets just say default automatic modes and the idea around this new camera app is to take pictures with good size to share and not to use max setting it has.

      app it self is CandyLand of camera phones and it takes out N9 camera UI 10-1 :(

      • zymo

        Interesting. Maybe you need the maximum MP for true zoom. Like that 80 GigaPixel picture of London, where you can zoom without quality lose http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html

      • MoritzJT

        So is the UI better than on the N9 or is my english just broken?

      • stylinred

        hopefully the camera mods will be out soon after its release to augment that :D

      • Jackson

        @dsmobile

        But the N9′s app UI is improving much more with 1.2/3
        How do you know for sure that it’s that much better?
        Aside from obvious hw advantages….

        • dsmobile

          wait and see.

          I already have PR1.3 and it’s not much different to PR1.1.

          • Jackson

            Not according to all the 1.2 threads?
            N950 owners have described substantial improvements.

            1.3 wouldn’t add much though I imagine.
            How on earth do you have 1.3 already?

            • myname24

              N950 pr 1.3 is already in bug testing

              • Jackson

                Yeah, internally.
                Not for N950 devs etc.

  • ritesh

    my next phone definitely..

  • spacemodel

    Great camera, no discussion, but there’s one problem: who’s gonna, apart from the loyal Symbian family, buy this phone?
    I mean, everybody knows that Symbian has no future, his own boss has stated that very clearly, it’s on the brink of dying.
    It’s like selling a cripled horse and tell the buyer that it’s still capable of winning the Grand National.
    After the february announcement it’s pretty useless to bring a new phone on the market at MWC with Chopin’s Death March as background music.

    • Guest

      And everybody knows that Motorola will soon be Google’s own mobile phone brand. How can anyone except Motorola sell any Android phones. Samsung that had such up times with Android has even started its own operating system that will compete directly with Google Android.

      After Google bought of Motorola it’s pretty useless to bring a new Android phone to the market for other company than Motorola.

      • migo

        Nah, not true at all. Google needs Android to protect search on mobile. If suddenly only Motorola can make Androids then Windows Phone instantly gets handed first place in the smartphone OS wars.

    • Not so sure..

      Im not so sure about that, some people buy N8 just because of the camera. Some do not care about 100 000+ apps. And the old apps for symbian will probably not just stop working suddenly, eh?

      And just being the phone with the best camera (hopefully) will make crApple Iphone and galaxy lovers uneasy because they pay a huge price for a device that should be outstanding in every possible way but their camera will seem like a toy. Even if it is not the best phone in every way, having the best camera would be good for marketing and to tell people that it is still Nokia who has the best hardware.

    • zymo

      Symbian has no future, that’s in some way true. But does it mean that Nokia won’t support in any longer, for example won’t deliver sw updates and bug fixings. I believe that the majority of developers jumped ship and only a few quality apps will be released to Nokia store. BUT there are still some people (me included) who really doesn’t care much about apps. If the core apps are well build into the system, then i don’t need a huge amount of additional ones. But yes, today apps have become more important for an OS, maybe even more important than monster hardware specs.

      • mark

        To add to this – to be honest, Symbian has always had the problem sadly of fewer developers, despite the massive market, because for some reason they’d rather jump on the bandwagon of the smaller IPhone market. And that didn’t stop tens of millions of people buying Symbian phones in the past – as you say, not everyone cares about 10 million fart apps, or pointless website-wrapper apps when you could just go to the website.

        But because things weren’t that great in the past, it also wouldn’t surprise me if things are better in terms of number of Symbian developers now than any time in the past.

    • migo

      If you care most about the camera, the OS won’t bother you at all.

    • mark

      Everyone? Do you honestly think your average phone buyer cares about “operating system” or knows about “Symbian”? I doubt your average person will know about the end of lie plans for it either.

      Nokia have never made the “Symbian” name something they market – and the fact that future phones will switch operating system is no more relevant to most people than changing the make of camera or type of CPU. To most people, it’s a Nokia smartphone.

      The only people who will know are geeks – and you’ve said yourself, the loyal Symbian geeks won’t be put off by the plans anyway. (Don’t get me wrong, no doubt some people will be put off, and of course some customers will end up being siphoned off by the new Windows phones anyway, but most people don’t care.)

      Was the last Mac that ran classic Mac OS crippled? Or the last PowerPC Mac? If it’s a good phone, then it’s a good phone – it’s not going to explode just because future phones won’t be running Symbian. You seem to be suggesting that Symbian being on the brink of dying means that this phone itself is going to fall apart or something…

  • miki69

    Aside from great (speculated) spec, I really hope final design is NOT like shown with those mock-up images of 803/808. I would prefer something like n8/n9 designwise, but definitely not rounded. Do we know if it will be botton-less (like n9)? With Belle onboard and Carla upgrade, don’t see any point of physical buttons.

    Cheers,
    Miki

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  • wes?

    http://www.symbianlounge.com/at/?p=6008
    says that he got the information that it will be 41 megapixels (info from december 2011)…

    • zymo

      Thanks for the link! Mr. Hackl is often well informed about Nokia stuff. And like i have supposed, you need that crazy amount of 41 MP for true zoom which is “just” digital zoom, but without quality lose.

  • Carbontubby

    You’d better have magically quiet electronics and a damn good DSP to get clean 24mp images from a tiny sensor like the N8′s. It might be huge compared to other phones and compact cameras but it’s still tiny next to full-frame 35mm sensors or even APS-C sensors.

    If sensor size is constant, more megapixels = smaller photosites + more noise. You would get high-res images that are full of noise and artifacts… and a big MP count ;) Purely spec wankery.

    I would rather Nokia go for a 12mp sensor that’s physically larger to get cleaner images. 1080p video can be done by pixel binning or just activating the central portion of the sensor. Couple that with a high bitrate encoder and a fast, sharp lens and you’ve got the best video-shooting phone out there.

    • miki69

      Fully agree. What I want to know is sensor dimensions AND resolution output. I can bet they will introduce BSI sensor this time around.

      Cheers,
      Miki

    • dss

      pictures will be taken in 9-11 mp mode, the crazy resolution is for video it seems

  • stylinred

    if they could get a sensor that is twice the size of the N8s in there (1/1.83),diagonally, that would be nearing/@ micro4/3s cameras :D

    • dss

      Someone said that it will be 1″ … the one from the Nikon 1, which is why I said pictures will be good only at lower mp count, 9 to 11 megapixels. The rest of it is for the video

      • stylinred

        Nikon CX sensor eh well not as big as I was hoping but that is one helluva sensor for a phone anyhow :/

        hopefully it’ll turn out to be bigger but if it isnt im still happy :D

  • Bhairav

    I’d posted here a couple of months ago re. a 44-48MP sensor with optical zoom zinging around Nokia’s labs. Was laughed off as fantasy..

    • stylinred

      i think it was mentioned by others as well that there was such a camera in the labs

      and yes it still sounds comical to be shoving that many mpx in a phone unless they got a full frame sensor in there :D

      but hopefully nokia knows what its doing as they seem to when it comes to the cameras ;)

  • MKnowles

    I may kill myself if this thing is released and it is not symbian. I would rather gouge out my eyes with a piece of rock than use WP.

    • zymo

      This must be real Love!

    • migo

      I’ll only be moderately disappointed if you die, and that’s only because of the death part, not you. Someone as unobjective as you doesn’t have much to offer to the world.

      • MKnowles

        Thanks!

      • MoritzJT

        Quote of the day! That got bookmarked :-)

        Not for its context but just in case I need it some day ;-)

      • Steve

        Pot, meet kettle ;)

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenokiagallery/collections/72157624928852359/ Thenokiagallery

    I still looking for a Nokia n8 replacement I still can’t. If u have do show me I look forward to change here my work using Nokia n8 without post processing or lens

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenokiagallery/collections/72157624928852359/

  • Real-Nokia

    As long as it is not Windows Phone, I’m happy.

    Long live Symbian and Nokia PureView 808, the true successor of Nokia N8.

    Long live the S40 Nokia Asha phones.

    Long live the S30 dual SIM Nokia 101 super budget feature phone.

    Down with Microsoft, down with Windows Phone, down with Lumia phones, down with ‘the third ecosystem’, down with the Metro UI, down with Stephen Elop, down with Steve Ballmer, down with Zune/XBox Live/IE9/Office/Skydrive and all other pre-packaged Microsoft crap.

    Burning platform? Take a look in the mirror, Microsoft. Still a single digit % market share, despite Mango and tons of money thrown into WP7. And no, neither Windows 8 nor WP8 (Apollo) will help.

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