Symbian Roadmap Redefined: FP1 IS Carla; N8 To get Both FP1 & FP2

| May 23, 2012 | 182 Replies

The following bit of information comes from NokiaLino.it- An Italian blogger who recently attended a Lumia 610/900 launch event in Italy; he got some very interesting pieces of information regarding practically all the current Handsets that were announced last February.

The most interesting of which is the fact that “Nokia Carla” Which was supposed to be the successor to Nokia Belle is no longer a thing, apparently Belle FP1 is the same as what Nokia Carla could have been (with other changes maybe coming in FP2). The other interesting fact is that the N8 our beloved Retired Camera Phone king will be getting a “FP1 Lite” as Jay mentioned earlier today (lite obviously due to it’s ridiculously under-powered CPU- I still can’t get over the fact that the Asha 302 that I was playing with had more power- Insert Jeremy Clarkson shouting POWER!~); however he also mentioned that the N8 would get a second update or Belle FP2. FP1 on the N8 will mainly feature the new browser as well as the new Nokia social (maybe the new status bar notifications integration for messages?).

 

Here’s the original post (after running it through google translate)- whoever he was talking to seemed quite open about Nokias roadmap and plans:

What are the actual dates of the output of the phones announced today?

Then, the dates are approximate because it depends on our willingness volume (said in a nutshell: to fill the warehouses of stores NDR) but by June they will all be available on the market.

The 610 is already out in white and black version, when will the next color?

The other colors will be available within 3 months.

Can you tell me something about 610 NFC?

610 NFC is a different version from that produced at this time and will be available around the end of August.

To answer this question … definitely not upgrade to Windows 8 Phone Lumia also cover the market today?

We say that this is not a question for Nokia but it is a question for Microsoft(I asked the question but I’m sure that will come … I’m a mentalist expert! ahahahah NDR)

A few days ago a story circulated on the net when he was told that Nokia would bring an application to bring the exchange of files via bluetooth on Nokia Lumia, confirmation?

This I swear that I will not say I know! I was not informed about it!

As Nokia is contributing to the development of Windows Phone 8?

We are of course very important partners for development and we are intervening in many areas to bring their own experience of Nokia to Microsoft and then be able to create and innovate with them.

More details on the processors of 808? Models, acronyms and more technical information …

As for the 808 are secret the details of processing, but they are powerful processors, has well 3: for the graphics processing, one for the processing of 41MP and one who supervises the processing of the software.

The contents of the sales package contain dell’808 enclosures with cover lens and tripod?

The sales package is similar to other phones (earphones, charger and USB cable) , you mentioned accessories are sold separately.

One can say that Symbian FP1 and Symbian Belle Carla or this latest update will be released in the coming months?

Then: Carla is no longer a name we use. FP1 is pretty much that was once called Carla.

Nokia Italy is satisfied with the sales results in our country, particularly Lumia?

Clearly, the Lumia is reaching a moment of popularity that meets and makes us proud every day to go to work and produce something that will delight our consumers.

My interpretation/Notes:

  • Phones announced today = Lumia 610 & 900- released in June which is less than a week away now.
  • The Lumia 610 with NFC will come in August (isn’t that when WP8 is supposed to come out?? Which supports my previous theory
  • Microsoft sure have the wraps on the whole WP8 situation, nobody knows what’s going on!
  • Partners in Development of WP8 = Some Nokia UI customizations???????
  • More vague sales references, hope they really are good.

 

Source 1 & Source 2

Category: Nokia, Nseries, S60, Symbian, Windows Phone

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  1. Jill says:

    Seriously feeling hurt today. Was gonna buy 808 thinking that it would get Carla, Nokia Pure Font & somewhere down the line Meego/Harmattan like interface (not talking about Swipe).

    Its somewhat Rhyming .. almost a year back N9 was raking in good reviews from everywhere & Nokia killed it.

    Something of the same kind is repeating with 808 right now .. ‘death certificate’ signed even before its released.

    • miki69 says:

      my thoughts exactly. Someone (Elop?) is deliberately doing this in order to cut/minimize Nokia sales. Same happen with N8 (last symbian device, remember?), and now this just few days/weeks before 808 hit stores.

      On the other side, truth told, we already knew Nokia would not release symbian “new OS” as they told new flagship (808) will have FP1, silently admitting full focus on WP “ecosystem”, and total stop is Symbian OS future development. After marvelous N9, I thought 808 would implement many N9 cues (screen res, no buttons, design language…), but no, those features are reserved for WP phones, leaving 808 as a black sheep in Nokia herd.

      Last chance for Nokia fans is Apollo – either complete success or yet another epic fail.

      Cheers,
      Miki

    • lordstar says:

      I hope Nokia Pure font will be given to belle fp2 as well as the slide to unlock feature. At least there’s one more update to look forward to..

    • Ahsan says:

      Nokia Denies de Rumor!!! “Symbian continues”

      Check dis out guys, i have translated it for u.

      http://www.tietoviikko.fi/kaikki_uutiset/nokia+kiistaa+huhut+symbiantuen+loppumisesta/a810777

      “Nokia denies rumors on the end of the Symbian

      Nokia has denied the information Viikolle the internet spread rumors that the company would be abandoning the Symbian platform.

      The rumors were started when the South-European product manager Mathias Fiori was reported telling an Italian “Nokialino” fan site, and future updates to the Symbian release has been canceled.

      Information Week reached by Nokia Communications Manager Tapani Kaskinen, commented: “Fiori comment was taken out of context. Nokia’s commitment to Symbian is unchanged. The substrate support as promised until 2016. ”

      Kaskinen also told me that Symbian will be informed of future updates in the coming weeks.

      “Nokia is the last twelve months, announced a new Symbian phones, which are a good example PureView 808″, Kaskinen said.”

      • osg says:

        official note from Nokia would be good. Nevertheless, with all the info from dsmobile… This can be just a response to avoid sales damage on 808.

  2. Sonny says:

    “3: for the graphics processing, one for the processing of 41MP and one who supervises the processing of the software.”

    does this mean the gpu has 3 cores? or what?

    • Deaconclgi says:

      No. 3 total. The “:” leads into the explanation of what the 3 processors are.

      1. GPU
      2. Image Processor
      3. CPU

      • Paul says:

        1 and 3 is probably the same like in the former 1GHz-Series (700, 701, 603).

        CPU = ARM1136 clocked to 1,3GHz and GPU = BCM2763

  3. James says:

    herpa derp.

  4. Mhammed-Nokia says:

    This is just a Complete BS !!!
    ..
    I don’t think they’ll kill Symbian ,, with the 808 flagship on the way to Invade the Markets !… if Nokia started to sell the 808 with a dead OS,,, it will be the Fail of the year !…
    ..
    So lets just hope that NOKIA acts quickly and Denies this rumour or whatever it is ..

    • dsmobile says:

      808 is already failed product because there is no markets for Symbian even if the hardware turns iron to gold.

    • tholj says:

      that’s what they’ve done with the N9..

    • dsmobile says:

      I can sure you Symbian related work will turn in to very small group this year and those people wont even work under Nokia.

      Nokia has no money to make any symbian devices as they do not sell any where in this planet.

      Nokia will hit the stop button at end of 2012 for Symbian hardware production.

  5. Fadi says:

    Is it 2016 already? Oh how time flies by quickly?

    • Marc Aurel says:

      “Support” does not mean major feature upgrades. Basically support means that you will get some security related bug fixes and the like, similarly as Microsoft currently provides for Windows XP. If the last Symbian phones are launched this year as now seems extremely likely, it would make no sense for Nokia to provide major software upgrades for four years after that.

  6. dsmobile says:

    It’s belle with updates really. Real update did die with hardware it was planned to use in first place.

    Nokia did hit a big wall with their transition plans as that should not come as surprise for them as their way of doing things was really stupid.

    Nokia only plan now is to stop all Symbian related work and kill the all cost of that platform. Symbian users can give up their hopes for major updates for sure.

    • twig says:

      You know that’s not true.

    • Luisito says:

      Well… If you’re right, then I don’t know what device will buy in coming months… Android = Linux in the really, really wrong way, iOS = Cost and arm ann a leg, and it’s one of the closed things ever made, WP = Cheaper than iOS, but even more closed that anything made by Apple… Maybe I will pick a S40 device a that’s all, waiting until the Smartphone frenzy past away

      Twitter joke: I have bought a brand new shiny Smart TV, it’s so smart that it don’t let me see the Kardashian’s sisters show… (if your’s smartphone is so smart, it should do the same, every time you try to track info over the web about the Kardashians :P)

    • steelicon says:

      April 2010 Nokia N8 Announcement
      September 2010 Stephen Elop, Nokia CEO
      Elop’s annual base salary is €1.05 million EURO, or about $1.45 million USD
      500,000 stock options, 75,000 performance shares and 100,000 more restricted shares.
      October 2010 Elop €2.3M EURO (around $3.2M USD)
      October 2010 Nokia N8 Release
      February 2011 Stephen Elop, The Burning Platform Memo
      March 2011 Reimbursed Elop €509,744 EURO (about $700,000 USD) for fees he had to pay Microsoft.
      €312,203 EURO (or around $430,000 USD) for legal and moving expenses
      June 2011 Nokia N9 Announcement
      Nokia N9 and MeeGo Announced Dead On Arrival
      September 2011 Nokia N9 Release
      October 2011 Elop €2.3M EURO (around $3.2M USD)
      February 2012 Nokia 808 Announcement
      May 2012 Nokia Carla rumored dropped
      Nokia Belle FP2 rumored to be the last Symbian release
      June 2012 Nokia 808 rumored release

      Do you see a pattern here?

  7. Janne says:

    Personally, I think the Belle FP1 and FP2 thing actually makes sense. Symbian’s long tail has gotten shorter and that is just a fact (we have discussed to death why that is, so let’s not go there). Announcing new brands is probably not helpful. Nokia Belle is a good name for the platform in this situation – using Carla, Donna and the like would probably not bring much to the table anymore. Using Belle as the base-brand might be good. Consider it a bit like Asha and Lumia now… a tiny bit.

  8. Paul Grenfell says:

    I believe the 808 is possibly the best Nokia phone ever produced, yet not only is it not going to be released Globally, it is yet only available outright and sim free. At this stage, not one carrier will be stocking it on a Plan. That is like cutting its market potential to less than a third.. If thats not deliberate, i’ll eat my hat.

  9. Peter says:

    Guys guys guys. Everyone just chill for a second.

    Where in this interview was it said that Symbian will get no major updates after FP2?

    Nokia said they would support the platform atleast until 2016. I very much doubt that means merely bug fixes.

    • Marc Aurel says:

      Why do you doubt that? Using the word “support” for bug fixes is quite common in the software world. This not to say that there won’t be any major updates after Belle FP2 (we don’t know yet), but the fact that Elop promised to support Symbian until 2016 does not promise major updates.

      • rob says:

        He’s in doubt because you, just like everyone else (finger pointed at dsmobilea amongst others) end up taking a few fragments of something that was said (and not always from the source), and spin it into the biggest, heartbreaking sob story of all time for Symbian/Nokia Belle’s demise. Nobody actually knows what the full planned path is for Nokia Belle, so don’t got assuming a whole load of rubbish until something’s actually known.

  10. JGrove303 says:

    Well, if that’s it from Nokia’s work for advancement, the further advancement will have to come from the source code Nokia released a while ago. Symbian can live on as the true open source OS it was to begin with, befor Nokia bought out the Foundation. Has everyone forgotten about that? There are many people still developing for the Atari Computers that have been defunct since 1996.
    It’s just a matter of folks caring enough to pick it up and develop Symbian. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we see a Nexus or One running Symbian, now that the burning platfor, has lit a fire under our asses.

    • JGrove303 says:

      Event on the same hardware, i’m sure there is plenty that van be done. Full flash support, extended video codecs, there’s got to be a way around the 640×360 resolution limit. Inject higher levels of Qt to install apk and iOS apps.

    • steelicon says:

      Just as Xerox have done away with GUI to be traded for peanuts to Apple, I hope some company will take Symbian, the unwieldy beast that it is right not, and properly harness it to become more of a thing of beauty. Here’s hoping that someone will carry on that torch. Burning platform, indeed.

  11. Mads Skipper says:

    Any news on when we get WIFI tethering on Lumia 800?

    • Paul Grenfell says:

      Only available on Symbian Devices at this stage…LOL..

      • JGrove303 says:

        Ya, you know, because Symbian is such a old junk OS, lol. It only did everything you asked of it except display on higher resolutions.
        Anyone got an X7 they don’t want anymore?

        • deep space bar says:

          i can still get one for you :P Rogers in Canada is selling is for 250+ tax :D i might go and pick one up myself this year :P

          • Mads Skipper says:

            I never called Symbian a crap OS, but I am a developer and I love C#, my N8 was really destroyed from abuse so I switched it to a Lumia 800 when I got that for free by MS

        • Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

          Actually, the OS underneath the WP7 is older than the one that sits in the new Symbian Anna\Belle..

          • Marc Aurel says:

            Windows CE and 32-bit Symbian for ARM are roughly the same age for practical purposes (mid-1990s). CE received a major rewrite in version 3.0 and Symbian kernel in EKA2, which are also roughly the same age, although EKA2 was introduced later. Both were later developed further, but again the current version (7.0 for CE and 10.1 for Symbian) are roughly the same age.

  12. spacemodel says:

    No surprise, watching the situation Nokia is in at this moment, that FP2 will be the last and final update for Belle.

    If predictions will turn out right at the end of this year Symbian will reach a marketshare around 5% and what’s the purpose to continue further significant updates for Belle.
    Just some bug fixes, maybe a small improvement update like the Qt we’ve seen a couple of weeks ago and that’s it.
    WP is Nokia’s core business and every dollar they can save on Symbian will be accepted with joy.

    For the owners of a first gen S^3 phone like the N8 it’s good news, there’s still some future for this device, a lite FP1/2 with a new browser and some improvements to the UI is very welcome, maybe some overclocking which would be great and is much wanted.

    This all will give the N8 owners an even more pleasant encounter with their device for an even longer time before they will inevitable switch to a high-end Android.

  13. st7761 says:

    Someone said S60 doesn’t support Dual-core. But I think Nokia can change ARM11 to Cortex A5. Cortex A5 is good for Low-end smartphone.

  14. youknowwho says:

    I am planing to buy a Nokia n8.(it is in my budget ) .Should i go further or wait for any other Symbian device after 808. Do u think guys that will Nokia launch any Symbian Device ? or finally Symbian R.I.P. ?

    • arts says:

      I’m pretty sure that 808 or even the 1ghz belles offer a much better user experience. But the n8 is still pretty capable, but don’t expect to push the device too much.

      • JGrove303 says:

        The N8 performs admirably cosidering it is ising 256megs of it 512MB ROM for RAM.

        However, in my humble opinion, Custom firmware is a must. A good lot of them free up RAM by installing a lot of the native apps or C: drive only goodies into either the read only partition and/or E: drive. I’ve had as much as 219MB after a new install versus the 110MB Anna OFW left me with.

        Also, a big also, the N8 is second to only the 808 PureView in camera.

  15. Shriek says:

    Hey Jay one suggestion, the Symbian picture on the top, change the yellow to red…. like blood splattering on a wall. Would be perfect for all bad Symbian news articles.

    My question to Nokia is how does all these bad news come out only at a time of major device release. For the N9 there was lot of bad publicity on how the OS is going to get killed regardless and now the 808 is basically going to get nothing post release.

    Damn they managed to put my plans of getting the 808 on hold again.

    Well Nokia is not my company and i own no stock in it. If they want to run it into the ground hurts me in no way. If they don’t have products i dont like i dont buy from there. Very simple.

  16. JGrove303 says:

    Is that the ‘REAL’ dsmobile? My heart sank a little after his comments. He would know.

    • jiipee says:

      my thoughts as well.

      I know that Accenture has shifted the majority of capable Symbian devs yo work on WP projects and most of the rest have had resignation packages. But still it seems that the end comes earlier.

  17. Jules says:

    Nokia Really does not knw to manage things now :P

    if you tell People the apple is rotten and put for sale who is going to buy it? No one

    Same goes with Symbian & Meego

    Nokia N9 and MeeGo Announced Dead On Arrival

    and Burning Platform. Symbian development stopped. Still symbian mobiles on sale. Who is going to buy them?

    I try the Lumia 710 ytday, it was fast, but still….

    Most of the people still dont like Tile UI,

  18. manu says:

    this was expected seriously who is gonna buy symbian with dualcore and hd screens,other than die hard fans which now is almost extinct.people dont even dare to buy low end symbian devices like 603.

    • Marc Aurel says:

      Yes, I’m afraid you are right. After the second Symbian sales collapse in Q1 this year, there really isn’t much sense to invest much more to Symbian phones or OS development. Regardless of whether the 808 PW is the last Symbian phone or not, it will surely be the last Symbian phone of any note. Releasing further upper mid-range or high end Symbian phones does not make good business sense. Once Meltemi is ready, low end Symbian phones will become redundant for Nokia as well.

    • lordstar says:

      Sad thing though, Nokia Philippines didn’t sell the 603 here. Should have bought that instead of the 500

  19. Ahsan says:

    Nokia Denies de Rumor!!! “Symbian continues”

    Check dis out guys, i have translated it for u.

    http://www.tietoviikko.fi/kaikki_uutiset/nokia+kiistaa+huhut+symbiantuen+loppumisesta/a810777

    “Nokia denies rumors on the end of the Symbian

    Nokia has denied the information Viikolle the internet spread rumors that the company would be abandoning the Symbian platform.

    The rumors were started when the South-European product manager Mathias Fiori was reported telling an Italian “Nokialino” fan site, and future updates to the Symbian release has been canceled.

    Information Week reached by Nokia Communications Manager Tapani Kaskinen, commented: “Fiori comment was taken out of context. Nokia’s commitment to Symbian is unchanged. The substrate support as promised until 2016. ”

    Kaskinen also told me that Symbian will be informed of future updates in the coming weeks.

    “Nokia is the last twelve months, announced a new Symbian phones, which are a good example PureView 808″, Kaskinen said.”

    • lordstar says:

      Finally Nokia reacted fast, they need to explain the strategy with Symbian now though.

      Very sorry for the double post below. The mobile version of mnb confused me. Haha!

  20. lordstar says:

    Nokia Belle refresh will be the fp1 lite for older symbian 3 devices. Get’s new browser, java and redesigned music player.

    unleashthephones.com/2012/05/25/nokia-belle-refresh-is-the-update-coming-to-1st-gen-symbian-devices-screenshots-inside/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ZomgItsCj+%28UnleashThePhones+-+Mobile+Phone+News%2C+Reviews+and+More%29

  21. lordstar says:

    Nokia Belle refresh will be the fp1 lite for older symbian 3 devices. Get’s new browser and redesigned music player.

    unleashthephones.com/2012/05/25/nokia-belle-refresh-is-the-update-coming-to-1st-gen-symbian-devices-screenshots-inside/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ZomgItsCj+%28UnleashThePhones+-+Mobile+Phone+News%2C+Reviews+and+More%29

  22. Paul says:

    Nokia is working on a slide screen unlock and many more features for Symbian.
    Windowsphones are the worst phones ever made. Glinches, crashes, and even will launch WP8 as previous version do not sell well. Really market has the final word, and what could i see from the sales, windowsphones nobody buy it. Symbian is the best choice. Hope Elop and stockholders of nokia realize this, or company die

  23. Everything posted was actually very logical. But, what
    about this? suppose you were to write a awesome headline? I
    ain’t suggesting your content isn’t good., but what if you
    added a headline to maybe grab a person’s attention?
    I mean Symbian Roadmap Redefined: FP1 IS Carla; N8 To get Both FP1
    & FP2 : My Nokia Blog is kinda plain. You might peek at Yahoo’s home page and
    watch how they create post titles to grab people interested.
    You might add a related video or a pic or two to get readers interested about what you’ve got to say.
    In my opinion, it would make your posts a little livelier.

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