Fail? WP7 apps will work with WP8 but WP8 apps will not work on WP7
This feels a little bit like when I moved from N97 to N8. Some of the S60 5th apps worked on the N8 but the HD games stuff was a no no for N97. How big of an issue was this?
I can understand that perhaps it’s because the hardware can’t handle it. But it just might be because they’re incompatible.
However, there is one tiny ray of hope that you can still install WP8 on WP7 devices (if Phonescoop’s info is correct). The apps may perform poorly, given the hardware requirements, but they may still at least run.
Up until announcement, Nokia will still be trying to push current gen Lumia. How are they going to feel if they knew that new apps may not even work on their phone? :/
On the bright side (as we shall always try to look for one) current user base is small and negligible. There are currently 100,000 apps available for current gen WP. The future of the new base of apps is one coherent core for future desktop/tablet/phone apps that should hopefully see a flurry of even more apps being created for WP and W8.
Source: ZDNet
Update: WP8 apps may work if recoded for WP7.5? Still some effort from the developer side. Like having to make certain apps 256MB compatible for the 610 :/
Category: Nokia, Windows Phone
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Bye-bye Nokia.
They’ve just been Osborned once again. Twice inside of two years! Must be some kind of corporate FAIL record.
Really, Elop should just turn out the lights tomorrow, because they’re done. Imagine, no smartphone sales for the next six or seven months.
6-8 months is exaggerating, as is your whole post. I’d expect Nokia to out WP8 phones in 3 months time, on sale in 4 months latest. Also, with proper efforts they will continue to sell some.
But of course the generic concern is valid and has been valid since spring, when it came into light. This is not good news and the response from Nokia/Microsoft (7.8 + Lumia apps) is adequate, but only barely.
Time will tell how hard the market will take it. I expect a drop in Nokia’s share-price come tomorrow…
If you seriously believe that Lumia devices will be lining AT&T and Verizon Wireless store shelves in September (!) you’re either seriously deluded, or you work for one of the companies involved and have inside information which nobody else has yet to affirm.
Microsoft themselves has said that the OS itself won’t be available until October at the earliest, so not sure what you’re smoking.
By the time Lumia devices with WP8 are out in the retail sales channel, we’re looking at the late holiday season, probably November. And don’t forget that Nokia is not exactly known for being the fastest to market.
So yes, six months is fairly accurate. If you own any Nokia stock, I’d sell right now, because that baby’s going to zero.
July 20 – 1 month
August 20 -2 months
September 20 – 3 months
October 20 – 4 months
Not likely, but not impossible either
I don’t smoke, but September is a little over 2 months away. October is a little over 3 months away. I’d say announcements and then actual devices in 3-4 months is realistic. Not guaranteed, but realistic.
On the other hand, 6-7 months would put us to January – February for release of Nokia WP8 devices – or if you really must split hairs, the Christmas week onwards. You are basically saying they won’t come before Christmas.
Oh, I’d say “no smartphone sales for the next six or seven months” is an exaggeration. And I didn’t even begin to account for the fact that no way are Nokia’s smartphone sales going to go to zero in the meanwhile.
You exaggerated a lot. I don’t agree with that. But I do think the sentiment, the concern, behind your message was valid. You just took it overboard.
@Janne huge difference is; Wasn’t official in spring – now personally I was always taking the word of the likes of Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley however almost all sales people and absolutely most customers particularly those they targeted the Lumias at in stores and in their promotional work will be completely unaware there was even the remotest possibility of this happening (or rather not happening).
And as I’ve pointed out to Mark and others I don’t think that the media will not point this out at which point I think all Lumia customers are going to be pretty annoyed. You could even see a class action in the US from disgruntled L900 purchasers, they are much less inclined to take the cr*p Nokia has expected their customers to suck up.
snoflake:
What do you want me to say? That I agree with you?
I do.
For some reason, no matter what I say, here I (or anyone not openly anti-WP-strategy) am always perceived to be a caricature of some sort – which I’m not. This is a high-stakes game for Nokia and failure has been and is perfectly possible. There are many aspects worthy of criticism too.
But that doesn’t mean I will agree with some loonie exaggeration that Nokia’s WP8 devices won’t come out before January and in the meanwhile they will sell zero Lumias. Come on. You know that is not true as much I do.
If there is not going to be the same features excluding “NFC, dual core,better graphics etc…” of WP8 on the current Lumias as an upgrade. I am sure Nokia is going to loose a hell a lot of loyal fans and customers that includes me. I personally feel they would not let us down by not getting us any of the features of the new OS. If non of the new apps are going to compatible. Bye! Nokia! I have had the same bitter experience with my Nokia 5800.
Well I wouldn’t expect MS to cripple WP8 just to keep backwards compatibility with WP7. They still care and are giving user WP7.8 which is a good sentiment.
I for one side with seeing newer and more awesome tech and game changing chances. People bitch that WP7 is behind then they bitch when it gets left behind to release something more future positive. Haters want to hate, so fuck em. My Lumia 900 will still work just fine, and I’ll be able to go to WP8 whenever I feel. Might as well cry that Your XBOX can’t play XBOX 360 games.
*tear
ANd what do you get after 7.8? What you looking forward to in 2013. And those Lumias sold in USA they were mostly going to be on 2yr contracts right so errr that’ll be Mar/April2014 for those happy punters and of course the Lumia 900 has only just turned up in Europe so that’ll be a wall of cheerful customers getting an update in what 4 months and nothing for 18…..Oh and they probably ain’t going to get the likes of BBC iPlayer for duration of ownership (unlike every other platform). Happy happy happy.
Anyone who bought a Gingerbread phone might not see an official ICS update ever, so as far as that goes, WP7.8 is better than what the majority of Android users get handed (hell, it took the Nexus S almost half a year from the announcement of ICS for it to actually get it).
As far as the comparison to Apple goes, yeah, the 3GS keeps getting updates, but Apple actually pushes updates out that the phones can’t handle, and offers no support, even crippling those on older OSes.
In the case of Windows Phone, like Android, you at least get to keep using it at the level it was at when you bought it.
So either way, this WP7.8 option is on par with or better than what you get with the competition. The only exception really is someone who bought a Titan II or Lumia 900 instead of a Galaxy Nexus/HTC One S/X, for the same price there you get a more upgradeable system, but even then it’s only through unofficial means.
It does suck that current phones aren’t getting the full WP8 experience, but look at what the competition offers and you realise it really isn’t bad.
“WP7.8 is better than what the majority of Android ..”
huh ?
Dude, you might as well never buy technology then. Shit gets outdated, that’s just how it is. I’m sure there’s some other analogy with WP7.8 that makes it bad somehow, but I’d rather they release something that looks insanely powerful like WP8 and still support WP7, as opposed to release nothing. That’s just me though.
My take away on this FWIW (and yeah that’s not a lot)
Pretty good announcements from Microsoft’s perspective – could have gone further in some areas like multi tasking, increasing hub functionality, and App organisation (maybe more to come?). The big improvement in addressing business seems pretty huge to me, NFC wallet nice and the opening of audible could bring some interesting stuff. So all in all could have been bit braver but like the steps on the Start screen and hope 3rd party apps which actually update there (and more regularly) but not bad
But pretty dangerous announcement for Nokia, much more so for them than other OEM’s, as they’ve sold the most of recent devices and advertised and pushed them the most and hence they are most associated with the devices to be abandoned. If they can weather that the platform they have shackled themselves to does look healthier than 12months but would be better if they’d not had to try to shove it down customers for the last 12 months whilst it wasn’t ready and that they hadn’t destroyed their other platform sales (they were always going to be getting worse/bad but they really put a bullet in their head).
Let’s hope giving away their mapping edge to the platform really does drive some new revenue for them as speculated on by some and isn’t just an MS condition for new loans/guarantees.
snoflake:
Fair comments, all this.
May I also add that for Nokia it is dangerous not only because of the potential WP7.8 backlash, but because they are today much more dependent on WP7 devices than the other WP7 manufacturers are – for whom the WP7 is just a mistreated sidekick.
So yes, very dangerous.
But then, this is not new for us here mostly. The back and forth over Nokia’s strategy since last year has painted a very good picture (at least for those who try to understand it) of what the path will be – and what the risks are.
Clearly Nokia is sticking to the path and believe they can succeed in the end. There are some merits to the strategy, sure, but mostly there are uncertainties – and in those uncertainties lies the real danger.
It feels almost silly to add this disclaimer, considering I’ve been saying this since Feb11, but Nokia chose a very high-risk strategy. It may fail. But of course I don’t wish that. So, here’s hoping.
selling “dead” devices seems to be a specialty for elop!
Well, what a mess… but why would we to care about this? My PC with Windows works OK, so for this I don’t care at all. I think this can be important for some game players, and advanced ones, but for majority it doesn’t matter. Whatever, I can stay alive with this situation still, and don’t care to much about.
So nlw will this tie in with Nokia’s plan to bring down the price for Lumia devices? Less apps for those phones?
Now I see the reasons behind the cost cut and the promotion of Pureview 808.
Lumia sells would be destroyed until the real Nokia WP8 is released. No customers would like to buy a new device with a OS that remaining days are numbered. See how Symbian sells even with a Belle update and a promise of support up to 2016. The announcement today by MS do partly the same as the burning platform memo, but this time the victim are Mango phones.
There are still 4 months to go (if not more) for the release of a WP8 devices, and this would be the hardest time for Nokia to survive. I don’t think Nokia will release any new Lumias during the time, and let see how Nokia react to the “crisis”.
I would expect to still potentially see another low end one like the 610 (assuming they need to differentiate). Definitely nothing like a 910 though.
if win7 apps work on win8 phones, why not creators just make win7 apps instead? so any win can use it. its a win-win
No win-win possible, because Silverlight Apps run on WP7 and WP8, but won’t run on Windows 8 RT (ARM tablets).
WinRT Apps will run on WP8 and Windows 8 RT, but not on WP7.
And advanced features of the Windows 8 family will only be available through WinRT.
fragmentation. already.