MNB RG: Jolla aggressively trying to grow in Finland

| August 3, 2012 | 60 Replies

 

Michael wrote up a fantastic piece earlier on his Q&A with Jolla. In that we learned that in the next 5 years, Jolla don’t want to simply be a small niche company but a significant volume player.

Muerte shares some interesting news below of Jolla ramping up the heat.

It seems that they (Jolla) are very “aggressively” trying to grow in Finland. The recent layoffs from Nokia in the city of Oulu (http://yle.fi/uutiset/nokia_axes_700_jobs_in_oulu/6240684) has hanged their original plans in Finland, according to Jussi Hurmola.

Jolla just organized a recruiting event in Oulu. It was packed of to-be-ex-Nokians (hundreds of them), and they received more than 200 CVs during that day.

Jussi Hurmola says, that originally they were planning to open a small office to Oulu, but they delayed that because everybody was busy with Nokia. Now that has changed, and there is a lot of talented people available. Ready, professional teams that have been working together for years. They are eager to work for Jolla, and Jolla is eager to hire them.

“If you are in this business in Finland, it is very hard to ignore Oulu” Jussi Hurmola says.

“There are both hardware, and software knowledge in Oulu. Some kind of Jolla’s product or software organisation might exist there some time soon, but we are not providing any numbers yet”

My comments: As usual, Jussi Hurmola is very careful about what he promises. But it seems, that they indeed are aiming big very soon, and also, that the company truly wants the core professionals from Nokia. This actually may become something very interesting…

Cheers Muerte!

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  • JGrove303

    Ha ha! How awesome is it that every ball Noki’s management drops, Jolla is right there on the rebound snatching up the talent.

    I still believe Nokia will do great in WP8. However, like many have said, Jolla Mobile is the spiritual successor to the innovative Nokia of Yore with much better management. Good chance all these teams were starving for a challenge since before Feb 2011.

    I definitely want to be an early adopter of their first device. It seems it won’t be that long to wait, either.

    • Jay Montano

      Yeah, in a way, Jolla is like Nokia unleashed, uncaged. There has always been fantastic talent at Nokia. Every once in a while, a talented Nokian’s brilliance escapes management and we see something amazing.

      Things like that give me hope at Nokia and now for Jolla.

      • flava

        Nokia unleashed. Sounds cool Jay :D

      • turdworldindian

        It’s true Nokia has great technical talent – I have interviewed a view, they are as good as any.

        They have to be prudent here though, so they don’t pick up the old Nokia middle management bean counters/trolls.

  • deep space bar

    I really hope they make Elop shit himself for what he’s done to nokia

    • dr_zorg

      Elop wouldn’t care, he’s just a yes-boy. But I do hope Ballmer and Sinofsky start shitting bricks in the near future.

  • Heron

    At least there’s something going on that I can cheer about. Go Jolla. Hope Qt gets brought by you, though that’s probably not your priority now.

    That said, MS is building something interesting too. Not sure if the world will buy in Windows 8. Still, one can cheer both sides on.

    • deep space bar

      they can’t do much cause of the UI. >.> this is what screws nokia up soo badly
      …it’s all limited to shit

  • juwelrana091

    jolla will be my next nokia…… Nokia’s dead managment should learn something from jolla..meego will be hit and jolla grow very quicky. And nokia….. Ha Ha Ha !

    • JGsmartypants

      Of course it will….

  • JGrove303

    I also wonder what price range they’ll hit. €300-400? Is that generally affordable? Or are they going €200-300 range? They do have partnership with a couple carriers in China already, so I’m assuming a widespread release and affordable.
    I would imagine, together with what Michel found out for us yesterday that all JM handsets will have unlocked bootloaders and might even have SD info packed in.

    • Nute Firshgrow

      I think 100EUR is max what markets can accept for the beginner. But this is a marketing question.

  • http://facebook.com/elreyphotography TheN9-Beast

    honestly i wanna imagine that this is a perfect world and invest in this “jolla” but there are a couple things they will have to overcome to prove themselves worthy to the mass, and im not talking about beating other OS and better hardware:
    1: What will they do to show that they are not going to repeat and become Nokia again? (old habits die hard)
    2: How will the customer services? Repairs, Updates, services such as TMO and meego.com for users to interact? Be handled?
    3: What is the continuity of the platform? Now they say a MeeGo based system, tomorrow its a more powerful OS only for the next device and before long Jalla split up?
    These are only to name a few, these are minor things other platforms excelled at, while nokia dropped an OS every time the sun goes down, Apple and Google took what they had and refined it with those ideas.

    • Viipottaja

      4) Do they have the capital? IIRC they had (or were trying to raise) their first Eur 10 million only just a few weeks ago. They will need a lot more to even start producing the first model… Hope they can raise more money from venture capitalists. Not sure any bank is able to lend them much at this point, nor would they probably want to before they have a viable business going.

      • http://facebook.com/elreyphotography TheN9-Beast

        thats what also worries me, if they manage to release a device and down the line they run out of money, what happens to us? The consumers? But maybe they told their employees that payroll was unstable. Who knows

        • viipottaja

          Yeah, obviously they cannot be signing long term employment contracts. Many may be on part-time, consulting or “as needed” basis as well.

          • jiipee

            Why. If they have standard 2 weeks term of notice until a person has worked a full year for them after which it is 1 month. I dont know exactly how the Nokia Bridge program works, but it coould be that one gets to keep their 16 months pay evenif they start in a new job.
            I dont think anyone could be that stupid that he/she would not know that joining a start-up has its risks. In fact, I assume all the people who joined Nokia during the last 2 years knew that they might lose their job fast as eg a lot of new recruits in Oulu found out.

            Jolla has clearly stated that they have a clear road-map and getting the product ready is financed with the 10mio investment by individuals (Nokia Bridge program funding is max 100k€). It is normal procedure that further investments are tied into the realization of predefined road-map.

            What I see as the main challenges are:
            1. impression of wide application ecosystem. I practise some thousands of apps and good amount of games are needed. Compatibility layers can solve the issue in short term. In longer term, they need to have their own or HTML5 should spread fast.
            2. Channel. They need at least one major operator to get interested and have at least mediocre push. They dont need wide operator support, but can follow the Apple example. The operator/reseller channel can be used for service. In the lates interviews they’ve indicated that they plan OS updates to cover also the older model (if they reach that stage).

            Capital is not an issue, if they get a good quality device out with some edge on it. Even the horrible Fusion Garage got 2nd chance ;) And their prices seemed reasonable. The edge can only come from design: the marriage of industrial design and UX.

            • Muerte

              I agree 100% , capital at the moment is the least of their challenges. If, and I mean IF they face financial problems, they can always get a public share issue, but so far it has been easy enough for them to gather the money from private investors. This is how they are making sure that they have the power to control the direction of their company.

              For those who are worried about the bad managing methods transferring from Nokia to Jolla, you can forget it. These guys have experienced it from the hard way, they sure as hell don’t want to repeat that.

              • Nute Firshgrow

                Wanting does not make changes. They need tools like managment systems etc. and they need to use them to achieve goals and success finally. 20% of reasons makes 80% of effects, as Paretto said.

                • Muerte

                  But why do you think that they pick the same tools as Nokia did eventually? Mammooth-like Matrix-organizations etc? Wake up, this corporation will be agile and flexible for a long time.

                  • jiipee

                    Yes! Theyneedthe same kindof approval process and tool,where every idea passes strickt gateways in which they go through all middle-management layers and are returned to step 1, if a cost saving opportunities are identified.

                    Also, they should implement a company wide performance evaluation and incentive system similar to MS: all team members are put in order according to Gauss. Meaning that the team success is irrelevant and for a employee both own succeess and co-workers failure are both important.

                    On top of those, they should make 3 year rolling budgets, which are updated quarterly.

              • Viipottaja

                Capital (in particular just having enough working capital in the initial phase) and raising enough of it IS a challenge for them. Whether its the biggest challenge or not is beside the point.

    • JGrove303

      valid points. Customer care and quality control is going to be something we’ll have to find out down the road. I’d imagine these fellas, if being so community oriented, would have the customer first. We’ll just have to wait’n’see!

      The core of this team is MeeGo devs. Devs that told Tizen to kiss their collective asses. Linux Foundation has bailed on MeeGo, so these dudes really really believe in MeeGo.

      I have faith in Jolla Mobile, and it sounds like their partners and investors must have, too.

      • http://facebook.com/elreyphotography TheN9-Beast

        these are just points thrown at the new kids on the block, but honestly these guys are really looking good! I just really hoped to join their design team.
        after u saying that, i have more faith, Tizen seems a bit boring, but thats my take.

      • jiipee

        If I understood correctly, there is another Nokia Bridge startup that provides services for quality assurance and field testing globally. A great deal of Nokia quality control has been externalized. The ODMs will take care of physical quality control – at least, if you pay them to do it.
        If Jolla has (experienced) designers from Nokia, they will have the know-how of product-material-manufacturing quality. Also, monoblock design of N9 should not be that tricky. More troublesome is to innovate the buttonless package comprising of UX and physical side.

    • esbo

      IMO the biggest problem for Jolla might be to build good sales channels. To get their phones globally to stores might be very hard and slow.

      • http://facebook.com/elreyphotography TheN9-Beast

        true, they don’t have any notice in the world, so they better surprise the sh.t outta us :]

  • Sefriol

    As members of Nokia have said: I’t hard to turn a big ship.

    What this means is: Jolla is a small (atleast for now) company and they are able to make those fast decisions and differentiate from the market. Of course, a big company has it’s uses, but I think Jolla is in a good spot.

    I like to compare Jolla’s situation to Apple. It’s not about how much you have but how you use it. Apple didn’t have huge amount of money on research like Nokia did, but still they were able to do something like iPhone, which was ahead of their competitors by miles.

    It’s all about timing, effectivity and using the right words. Yeah it isn’t easy, but it’s manageable. Same goes for Nokia. In September, the ship has finally made it’s turn.

    • JGrove303

      +1

    • deep space bar

      jolla = tugboat…underestimated and over looked boat

      • Nute Firshgrow

        +1000 what they need is Jobs (R.I.P.) incarnated or his ghost among them motivating them, as Jobs used to.

  • sdfanq

    I’d love to see the day when Jolla will sell more phones than Nokia, showing them what they missed by going the M$ way. There are a few things I don’t know though:
    - what’s differentiating them from the Nokia N9 ? although a great phone, the N9 hasn’t done well in sales, will the UI be enough to diferentiate?
    - who’s gonna be the hardware manufacturer ?
    - is there room for such a small mobile phone manufacturer ? they don’t have patents, they have the smallest ecosystem, not much money for advertising and .. no Android runtime as far as I know
    - can they establish a global sales network or should we “import” the phone from China by ourselves ?

    • JGrove303

      I’ll take a crack at answering some of your questions & comments:

      “I’d love to see the day when
      Jolla will sell more phones than Nokia,
      showing them what they missed by
      going the M$ way.”

      That’s a brutal stance, brow. Blame the mismanagement, not the brand. Lets hope Jolla becomes Destroyer and sinks the Android Pirate Fleet instead.

      ” what’s differentiating them from the Nokia N9 ? although a great phone, the
      N9 hasn’t done well in sales, will the UI
      be enough to diferentiate?”

      Everything will differentiate Jolla Mobile’s handsets, as they are bringing none of the N9 with them that Nokia has copyright to, unless they’re going to license it. That mean a completely new and fresh UI, built completely on MeeGo and not just a MeeGo instance like the N9.

      ” who’s gonna be the hardware
      manufacturer ?”

      This hasn’t been disclosed. However, good chance it will not be Foxconn. Perhaps they could swing a sweet deal with one of Nokia’s plants?

      “- is there room for such a small mobile phone manufacturer ? they don’t have
      patents, they have the smallest
      ecosystem, not much money for
      advertising and .. no Android runtime as
      far as I know”

      Of course there’s room, especially with Nokia dropping MeeGo and soon Symbian. I’ve heard people say they’re getting tired of iOS or Android’s bugs and malware. There’s not that many Blackberry faithfuls nowadays and WP isn’t for everyone. So their is a whole market ripe for the picking for something as fresh as Jolla’s device and OS.

      “- can they establish a global sales network or should we “import” the
      phone from China by ourselves ?”

      The possibility of not being able to purchase Jolla Mobile’s device without importing it yourself has got to be right up there with getting struck by lightning, twice. In today’s economy, not selling an open product to anyone anywhere where it could be a hit and have high demand would be “SOFA KING WE TODD ED” (looking at you, Nokia). Remember, these folks at JM are the best and brightest that didn’t fit into the WP Plan, not Nokia’s misguided, heel dragging fat-headed management team. Surely if not directly sold out of a retailer from a brick’n’mortar forefront, you’ll be able to buy online.

      • Nute Firshgrow

        As MeeGo can work with chips by Intel and ARM anything is possible. I am happy they will use RPM packages.

    • Paul Grenfell

      The N9 was never promoted by Nokia , as a serious phone and yet in spite of that, it sold fairly well. The 808 is very poorly promoted, if at all, certainly not in Australia, yet its selling better than they expected,prompting shortages in supplies.
      Nokia had their hearts set on Lumia, and thus Meego and the 808 were never considered to be serious contenders by Nokia, so they were relegated as “experiments” and never given serious attention for the masses.
      Jolla has the public behind them and thats a big plus for them. I think they have a very good chance of succeeding in the Market that Nokia has shunned.

      • JGsmartypants

        If by “the public” you mean a very small segment of it, then yes.

        I like Jolla and want them to succeed, but I know their best success will never make them a huge company. It’s a niche, but I hope a profitable and sexy one

        • Beelzebozo

          Well it’s a lot bigger market than what WP has, seeing that Symbian even after its death still sells more than WP.

  • coolicer

    I really like Windows Phone and MeeGo did look very promising. Just as now Jolla looks to be promising. But the lack of Nokia Maps is such a heavy dealbreaker for me. Hopefully in the future they’ll make some sort of deal to get Nokia maps on Jolla, but for now I’ll just wait and see.

    (And upgrade my E7 to a Nokia Windows Phone 8 down the line first)

    • Paul Grenfell

      Nokia Maps and Camera were my 2 big wants, so lets hope they get the Camera reasonable first..Maps may be available under licence for Nokia or they may just enable maps to come from other sources.. I dont think Jolla would be silly enough to overlook these 2 important selling points.

  • dss

    Nokia^2

  • http://www.grupoqualitex.com Vitaliano G

    Well, I’m not excited about Jolla Mobile and here is why. I hope that if they read this take my comment as well intended.

    Well, here it goes:
    1.- Most of them came from Nokia, and their previous experiments just failed.
    Why did Nokia stoped Maemo/Meego?, well I think the lack of apps says it all. It could be the best OS ever, but why developers didn’t support it? I remember the times I could buy a N900. Another geek friend did buy it. I didn’t and even my n97′s was inferior than the n900, it was a LOT more usefull -even with the phone’s limitations- My friend had to buy another phone to use popular programs that could be used in symbian, android and IOS. He tryed to sell his N900 for about 6 months, well epic… failure.

    The same happens today with the N9. It’s a cool device, but has no real edge features or differentiators to stand against the competition. Nokia used it to test the form factor, the screen and the swipe method. Those features were used rapidly in other phones like the lumia 900/800 and the swipe feature went to some symbian features and to S40 UI.

    For instance, I would never change my N8 for a N9. Why? because the N8 stands with an outstanding feature even today: it’s camera that has only been beaten by another Nokia/SYMBIAN phone. Look even Belle took a little from the Meego UI, so it’s main benefit to Nokia was to test features, that back in the moment were “disruptive”. They took whatever grabbed atention in whatever review was made on the N9 and put it on mainstream products. To be fair, Mr Elop did say they were going to do that, and is a fairly good idea.

    2.- The logo.
    Sorry man, It is just awfull and shows no creativity at all. And really it is my major concern.

    So, what can we expect from the devices? Even the RIM and Blackberry logos are wayyyyy more apealing.
    What can we expect from the services?
    At this point it shows squared/flat ideas.

    Jolla, it is not about the device itself or the OS itself. The usability and practicality of the ecosystem as a whole is the key at this point of the competition.

    Sites like this, full of geeks like me, find ideas like Jolla exiting. But we are not the people that buy millions of units. So, you need to put in place an impressive device, with impressive usability and WITH a fast growing set of apps… and finally with a good price.

    I hope you can raise the capital or develop a very very edge idea that get your patents or even your company bought by a giant.

    3.- Capital

    • Paul Grenfell

      Well , it way too soon to Judge Jolla on either its Software or Hardware..We know next to nothing about them. Pretty much how Iphone started off.. But we do know that Jolla has a very impressive and experience team forming and there are already signs of good marketing outlets and financial backers. As far as apps and ecosystems go, Jolla appear to have addressed that issue as well..These guys arent fools..

    • Shane

      (1)

      “Why did Nokia stoped Maemo/Meego?, well I think the lack of apps says it all. It could be the best OS ever, but why developers didn’t support it?”

      There was no apps because the whole program as it was originally intended to unravel never happened.
      The whole Qt ecosystem had a LOT of momentum taken of it’s sails in the dev community through the the actions that occurred last year and earlier this yr.
      If it all unfolded as “originally” planned, apps would’ve been far stronger by now than they are.
      So it’s false to suggest they failed to deliver in that area, ofc course they didn’t deliver there, but that was always going to happen given what’s occurred in the past 18mth.

      ” I remember the times I could buy a N900. Another geek friend did buy it. I didn’t and even my n97′s was inferior than the n900, it was a LOT more usefull -even with the phone’s limitations- My friend had to buy another phone to use popular programs that could be used in symbian, android and IOS.”

      N900′s a whole different kettle of fish, you’re wrong in making comparison between it and the N9.
      N900 was always intended “as step 5 of 6″, an experimental/learning device before their 1st mass-market & consumer focused one, Nokia always made that perfectly clear.
      And you clearly dont get it if you think it’s all about apps…
      The reason N900 was so appealing, is that it was far more hack-able (and still is in many ways) than anything in existence.
      If your friend was such a “geek” (as you describe him) he would’ve known this, & he’d still own his N900 and enjoy it to this day.
      Sure with that great flexibility also comes great responsibility & the need to technically competent, but that’s all part of that fun.

      “The same happens today with the N9. It’s a cool device, but has no real edge features or differentiators to stand against the competition.”

      Well yes it would have, there was 2 other harmattan devices that were well advanced, we know at least one of those was to be based around the U8500 or OMAP4, more likely the former.
      Therefore it’s safe to say that the 1st harmattan ph after the N9 would’ve been substantially more competent hw-wise, & the 3rd possibly even had some form of PV_lite.
      We know it would’ve been much quicker to implement something like that for harmattan than it would’ve been for WP8x (its been discussed in depth)

      “For instance, I would never change my N8 for a N9. Why? because the N8 stands with an outstanding feature even today:”

      And yet you’re incapable of making a compelling argument as to why it’s vastly better than Maemo 6x.
      I own both and there’s no way I would pick the N8 over my N9 as as day-to-day device.
      When it comes to imaging & video sure, but otherwise the N8 doesn’t come close, the N9 annihilates it.

      (2)

      The logo, really, are you serious?
      Personally I’d be making my assessment on factors that a FAR more important than that.

      “Jolla, it is not about the device itself or the OS itself. The usability and practicality of the ecosystem as a whole is the key at this point of the competition. ”

      Such a tired, dumb, & overly simplistic cliché, no you’re wrong…
      It’s about that but not just that, other factors are just as important.
      Having said that, they’ve explained that they do intend to address this concern.
      They’ve even given some strong hints as-to-how they might do that.
      But understandably they dont want to give away too much at this very early stage.

      3)
      You clearly haven’t been keeping up…
      There’s heaps of info. floating about which explains how they’re addressing this, overall it looks pretty solid.
      CBF’d doing your homework for you, all I’d say it try to keep up.

      • Shane

        Correction:

        Sure with that great flexibility comes great responsibility & the need to be technically competent, but that’s all part of the fun.

        • jiipee

          What Ive heard there were also other UX innovations ready that are now prepared for WP.

          • Shane

            Right, but that wasn’t the point I was making with that sentence…
            Perhaps you’re not getting me, sorry if you aren’t, I just CBF’d going into more detail.

            And in direct response to your post….
            Everything we’ve heard to date suggests they’ve had very little influence over UX.
            And even if they have had some influence, it won’t be something Nokia’s allowed to claim for itself on the WP platform.
            It’s something other players will be able to utilise just as much.

            • jiipee

              I was agreeing you ;) the UX innovation that already was ready for Meego would have given additional wow effect with multicore and pv light.
              As it happens to be, the very same UX innovation is ready for WP, but MS did not allow it – at least to the first patch. Another two years lost.

  • JGrove303

    I don’t think tete logo is definitely final, though it could be. Though, I don’t want a device with a half eaten apple on it’s back either.

    Again, If a product isn’t advertised like made, no one knows about it, so no one is going to bother with developing for it. That’s what happened with the N9. Well half the problem. Thr other part is Nokia killing the off the N9 shortly after releasing it. DOA so to speak.

    Jolla won’t have either of these issues. Word of mouth from the community, plus raving by the tech sites will advertise quite well. Making their device affordable and feature rich with usable hardware that is efficient and powerful on a open platform will speak volumes to developers. But will they make money? So long as Jolla makes it affordable and easy to sell apps, big devs will come.

    Capital. Well, they have enough to build probably, what, 40,000 devices initially if they cost €200 to make, but that’s more than iPhone 4S 16GB cost. So lets go with €129 to manufacture+parts for each JM Alpha. They could put out 75,000 of them right off the bat, and they’d sell of them immediately. Lets say they sell for to carriers for 250 and €350 MSRP, but as low as 325.

    Using the numbers I just pulled out of my ass, JM can more than double their initial capital, pay they’re employees, licenses and overhead and have another 100,000
    devices out the door in a week if not less.

    However, I’m sure they’re partners (intel, ST Ericsson, Nokia?) won’t make them suffer with such a shoe string budget. I imagine, too, that licenses from Nokia will be on the cheap. Even Drive and Maps

    • http://www.grupoqualitex.com Vitaliano G

      Hey guys I apologize because yesterday I made a few mistakes while writing. I didn’t read again before posting and my first language is not english. My wife said “dinner is ready”, and I posted.

      Well, I would like to think that Jolla will be a success. I really do, because It would be nice a brand new excellent player.

      I own two phones now. One of them is an Android. God!, I hate it. They keep telling that Android is excellent but the truth is that it has lived in great part because of the constant press, and of course, because Google made it easy to make and publish apps. At this point the new releases of Android are up to the chalenge, but the first years It lacked some features that were in Symbian years before.

      But Nokia made a lot of mistakes along the way that let the users down. I know it at first hand. I was a Beta Labs contributor, and received 2 gifts from nokia for the now dead “Ovi Chat”. Man they did not apply the most important comments we made and the product quality was mediocre. Also the devices finish quality at the painting and casing was very, very poor between 2007 and 2010 that the phones just got horrible after a very short period.

      So they got what they deserved after 3-4 yearse making crappy products. They started to really try turning things around just after the N97 fiasco and you’ve got to admit the job they did with the N8 is great, but after 3-4 years…

      Getting back to Jolla, they can be as disruptive as they can. My point on the logo was that it doesn’t reflect it. I hope the products will do.
      Well, they need to be, but for general users “just the OS itself” is not enough to buy a device. We all want the apps. We all know that.

      So,
      *it is about how good it looks (yes, it is)
      *it is about the specs (Muscle Ghz, cores, RAM, camera, etc)
      *it is about the UI (Oh, it is so cool/pretty)
      *it is about the OS (Stability, features available)
      *it is about the apps (lots of them)
      *it is about the SDK and easyness of porting the apps to the new OS (to get the lots of apps in a short period).
      *it is about to get the real apps developer community working to make available the apps for the OS. There is a lot of community software made for meego and it was for maemo, BUT is has to be made with commercial standards for end users in mind. The end user doesn’t want their software to work, and if it’s free BETTER.
      *it is about Telcos to support the brand and the devices.

      And of course… it is about the hype they can create around their products and brand.

      So, the challenge is very, very hard. Of course they know that. I hope they succeed.

      Bye.

      • http://www.grupoqualitex.com Vitaliano G

        I wrote:
        The end user doesn’t want….
        Wrong. I meant

        The end user want …

      • Nute Firshgrow

        This is also about if Jolla will be dualsim smartphone I think.

      • jiipee

        I was in disagreement first, but this update opens up your logic better. Good stuff.

      • Shane

        This is a bit better than the prior post…

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  • gordonH

    The Linux developer community is not small. Linux fans are in every computer engineering department. Every talented software coder appreciates the help that Linux provides. Technically Jolla/Meego are very powerful OS es cause it gives developers a full Linux distro in on mobile phone.
    My point is we will not be missing many apps on Jolla.

    • http://www.grupoqualitex.com Vitaliano G

      I think that is a great hope. My point is neither n900 nor n9/n950 had enough apps to compete against android, ios and even Symbian. Sadly, that’s a fact.

      There’s a big difference when it comes to the end user that want some features that ensure easyness to use and stability that us geeks tend to care a lot less. Easyness, stability and other features made the iphone the big success it is, despite most of us found other devices better. (I hated IOS not being multitasking and the stupid reviewers saying it was great, come on!!!)

      But, developers were like bees around the sugar on the Iphone.

      My whole point here is that Jolla has to create such hype and such an expectative that most developers get tempted to publish their games and apps for meego.

      That has nothing to do with the existence or absence of a good linux community, that does exist but is not enough.

      • JGsmartypants

        This. Vitaliano gets it.

      • gordonH

        “that does exist but is not enough.”
        It’s a great and big advantage for the starting days.

        A huge talent of the linux community has moved away from geek to the consumer hands. Look at Android, Meego, Tizen and the many consumer apps that utilize some form linux tools behind the scenes.
        “My whole point here is that Jolla has to create such hype and such an expectative that most developers get tempted to publish their games and apps for meego. ”
        Your whole point here is ok but Jolla has an edge for a startup, the N9 has already created that huge respect. It will be a slow, healthy and steady rise for Jolla.

      • kues

        >My point is neither n900 nor n9/n950 had enough apps to compete against android, ios and even Symbian. Sadly, that’s a fact.<

        I disagree on this. The announcement on Feb 11, 2011 had pissed of a lot of small and medium size companies preparing or being ready for the first Meego devices- remember Meego also had netbook, tablet and in-car entertainment 'branches'. At least two of those companies even developed Android runtimes for Meego. So the developer partners had invested in Meego and had been ready, but Nokia killed off Meego without warning.
        Naturally few companies did think about spending another $ or € on Meego (app) development after Feb 11, 2011. Sad, but that's a fact.

  • Abs

    That’s the spirit and faith we give to Jolla…
    Me, im just an ordinary end user… You all mention the build quality, the os, apps, supports… There’s no question abt it, I know all was taken into consideration…
    The only thing needed is timing and patience…
    The right timing to announce the first product, bec first impression last… Most reviewers and critics are eyes on it especially other major phone company if something goes wrong with the first many negative saying will come out and will destroy the momentum… Even if its one unit but powerful, plus all your suggestion compact with it can stand the rest… Then the other model will follow after the success of first one…
    If you make a big noise across in just an hour whole world knows about it, easy advertising…

    Price is the most important so that one gets it, he can endorse to friend, family to people…

    Second, innovation. One very good thing this phone has that others don’t have…

    Voila! Dont get rush little by little u will conquer the world…

    One day all our hope comes into reality…