Did We Just Spot The “Lumia Phi”? Nokia’s First Phablet
Earlier today we posted what seemed to be a prototype WP8 by Nokia that somehow walked out the factory doors, as you can see in the image above the leaked device is much larger than the Lumia 900, almost 5 inches. Is this a Galaxy note competitor? Personally I hated the note when I first saw it, but now I genuinely want one!
The supposed specs of the Nokia Phi are:
- Single Body Polycarobante
- Qualcomm Dual Core CPU
- LTE
- NFC
- Curved Screen
- Extrernal SD card
Those specs look quite promising for a Lumia 900 successor, hopefully it’ll carry a big enough battery to support all that power.
*Note- I think it’s safe to assume that this WONT be carrying any pureview tech considering the size of the device, so at least we can look forward to one high-end device soon.
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Oh noes you copied the WMpowerusers poor 1 minute photoshop work.
I’m still baffled what was the WMpowerusers guy thinking. That screen is around 4-4.3″ and there’s slightly less bezel.
So it slots more between 800 and 900. Just like 800 succesor should.
The rumour is that the screen is 4.65 inches. The rest follows from there.
I hope its a little thicker in back. A lot of people I talk to are finding androids thin a little hard to hang on,especially for larger phones.
surur: I measured the NOKIA logo and it would suggest this prototype screen is 4.3″ and the scaling is too big.
Janne did you measure the width or the height of the logo? I find the width to be very close (certainly not as large a disrepency as the size difference here between the 2 devices), but the height does seem a bit too much on the left device.
The screen otherwise looks to be 15:9 (ie photo not distorted much, or stretched), and dimensions add up IF the diagonal is really 4.65″.
Of course if you measure the width of the back-arrow, fairly constant between L800 and L900, it is about 25% larger, suggesting a 3.7″ screen
Can’t wait for september
I measured width in the pic above. The leftmost NOKIA logo is wider than the two. Now that you say it, it is probably higher too.
Here is the original measurement (two messages), which came from the non-rotated original images:
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/08/07/leaked-yellow-nokia-lumia-w-wp8-think-lumia-900-with-curved-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-630017
(To me, overall, in the original contexts the phone also looks very Lumia 900 sized to me. Gut feeling.)
Originally I was measuring against the physical 900 and 808 that have identical logo sizes – so that part also cut out any issue with the scales of the compared devices.
I didn’t do any of that. I figure its in about a month,so I can wait.
Would you mind sharing exactly how you arrived at this particular relative size to the L900 ? Since all there is for reference is the guy’s (gal’s?) hand in the original leaked photo?
(I know I know, this is the internet, and since this image comes from WMPU we can trust they did their due diligence, right? right?)
Yes, WMPU… doing their homework, please dying on laughter here.
That site makes more sensational headlines than trash media here and doesn’t research any of their finds any bit.
Would have hoped a bit more from My Nokia Blog writer.
Actually quite sure some clever calculations considering the size of the medium sized tile would give you the height.
And if you look at the screen it looks much wider than L800 and there is much less waste space at top of screen, so it must be same / bigger than L900.
Well, you would need to know the size of the screen first, wouldn’t you?
Based on the Nokia-logo, that “Phi” is about 12% larger than it should be.
But only in height; in width it’s pretty much the same as the L900 (measuring at 500%).
If I got the math right then Surur got the dimensions correct if the screen truly has a 4.65″ diagonal.
From what I could see, it’s wider as well, the reflection hides part of it. I am pretty sure now, based on the logo, the general layout, and the grainy screen, that this is actually 4″ screen on an 800 body.
Wha? The medium tile has a specific size relative to the resolution, so it scales along with the physical size of the screen. Obviously the L900 has bigger medium tiles than the L800, because the screen is larger with the same resolution. In other words, it doesn’t tell you anything about the size of the phone.
You might be able to use the Nokia logo for reference, since that is probably fixed on all devices, and in this picture the left phone has a larger logo so it would suggest it is blown up in proportion to the L900 and L800.
(And of course WP8 has larger medium tiles than WP7 but that is not relevant here)
Alright guys, how many other posts are needed to realise Ali isn’t the best option on the “market”? Geez….
This is a hobbyist blog, done for free, come on. We can deal with imperfection, that is what the comments are for. Submit better articles if you think you can, this place publishes them quite liberally.
Oh noes you copied the WMpowerusers poor 1 minute photoshop work.
I’m still baffled what was the WMpowerusers guy thinking. That screen is around 4-4.3″ and there’s slightly less bezel than on Lumia 900.
So it slots more between 800 and 900. Just like 800 successor should.
Fail. How many times are we going to see the same recycled n9 design.
Apple says in court Sammie just recycles Apples design.
You mean you don’t want to see that design in as many Nokia phones as possible?
The same “fail” like apple did.
Are you sure it is bigger? When I measured the NOKIA logo in the previous thread, the screen seemed to match the Lumia 900 size.
I know the 4.65+” rumor is making rounds, and sure it is possible, but I don’t think the size of the screen in the pictures compared to the usually known size of the logo matches with 4.65″, more like 4.3″.
In that picture the NOKIA logo is scaled to significantly larger in the “Phi” than in the Lumia 900 and 800 next to it suggesting that the scaling is over-sized.
but logo size can be increased and decreased from phone to phone, i think we have to check the tiles size, but we dont have wp8 Lumia900 but we have lumia 900 running wp7.8 so if we take initially the above phi phone and l900 phones sizes same and then by comparing wp8 phi tile with wp7.8 lumina 900 tile we can see the differece, and i think this method is good for comparing, if anyone is getting what i said please check this, i dont have pc with me right now. so check and tell anyone
How you can put it nexto to the Lumia 900 and 800!?
How did you know it is exactly in this size relation???
The NOKIA logo is the usual relation, it is the same size on e.g. 900, 808, 800 etc… However, I do think this time the scaling might be wrong because the NOKIA logo is bigger in the prototype than in 900 and 800. I measured earlier that using the logo as a data point the screen would be around Lumia 900′s 4.3″.
In fact, my guess at this time would be that the entire phone is Lumia 900 size, although with thinner colored bezel and overall a little larger black area, with lesser top black bezel and larger bottom black bezel than in Lumia 900.
I may be wrong of course, and there are the rumors of a 4.65+” Nokia “Phi”, but just by judging the NOKIA logo I’d say this device looks to be in the Lumia 900 ballpark.
I’m actually thinking it is smaller than the 900. Looks more like an 800 with a slightly bigger screen.
Maybe. In the previous thread I first measured the screen at around 4″, but upon closer examination came to the conclusion it was around 4.3″ when measuring the logo more closely.
It is also possible that two rumors are being mixed here. The picture and spec rumors are different, maybe they are from different devices. The rumor is, after all, two WP8 Nokias on launch?
I have convinced myself that this is a 4″ 800 replacement, with likely a 800×480 display, and I’m just going to plug my ears and “Lalalala” when anyone tries to tell me different.
I believe in a 4.3inch screen for this device. To me a 4.0inch display would be curious. 3.7inch is a good size and 4.3 is for the friends of a bigger screen. A size between these both would bring no significant advantages compared to them IMHO.
If they can implement 3.9″-4″ on a chassis that’s the same size as the 800 ( 3.7″ ) then wouldn’t it be better?
If the chassis would be the same size, then maybe yes (even if you would have to slide and swipe and everything a little longer distances because of the slightly bigger screen).
Look at how much bigger the left-most Windows keys are too compared to the other phones. And the NOKIA logo is clearly bigger. The scale just seems wrong in the picture.
That doesn’t mean the screen is exactly 4.3″, it could be something else, but to me that scale just isn’t accurate.
Another interesting details is that the screen setup is exactly the default WP8 emulator screen.
See latest WMPU article (sorry no link or I get into the moderation queue) about wallets and deals, video, at 1:15.
Of course it could mean nothing. Maybe that’s the default testers layout or something.
I guess it’s fake. The Windows Key doesn’t even have the new “Metro” icon…
The arrow at the top right of the screen is missing?
I vote is fake also.
Its gone in WP8/WP7.8
oh… shows how much I know.
I have an iphone now that I will be ditching once wp 8 comes out. Hopefully it’s out next month and not any later.
I’m just really afraid that they will just announce it, and then take 3 months before it goes on sale. That was makes people get ticked off.
If they expect to grab up market share from the iphone they better get wp 8 out before apple releases the iphone5.
There are many impulse buyers out there, me being one of them, however I will wait for wp8, others may not.
With that said hopefully I have a wp 8 phone from Nokia in my heads next month.
After the wp8.. will be appear the wp8 boot manager… and you can run android meego tizen etc… on it
Sorry for Bad English
That’s very unlikely, of all the platforms, WP8′s amongst the least likely for that to occur.
Hmmmm… Dual Core S4. In order to stand out from the rest, Nokia really needs something to show the world that it has a good design and power. If they include a Quad Core S4, a 20MP pureview camera and those stated above, then the world will notice! If not, they will just think it’s the same specced phone as everything else on the market.
Besides, Nokia Martketing sucks big time.
no the news says maybe not true dual core can be quad or okto
They better release it with Quadcore Snapdragon S4 Pro and with the new Areno 320 GPU. Up and coming games from EA (which as a so called close relation with Microsoft) like Real Racing 3 needs those sort of graphical muscle.
I think Nokia’s and Microsoft’s talks have made it clear the first WP8 devices will be dual core, not quad. I’d call that 95% certain.
Which is going to be a terrible mistake because Galaxy SIII, OneX and iPhone5 all have / will have quad-cores. Millions of people just buy a smartphone based on its specs. If they see that Nokia keeps making phones with only average specs their opinion about the brand is not going to change. And if Nokia brings a quad-core in 6 months or so, everyone will think that Nokia arrived late to the party again.
I’m not disputing that at all. Personally I’d like to see Nokia launch with a quad core, I just don’t think they will.
Galaxy S3 has dual core for US market, as far as I know, the same one they and Nokia will use in the first gen WP8; Snapdragon S4 Plus. Most manufacturers are expected to launch their quad-core WPs early 2013.
Of course, if Nokia could release one now, it would be great for mindshare.
Personally, I’d be happy with dual core, especially if they can put in other hw innovations ( like PV ).
Looks good! Though I wish there was a better meld between software and hardware like on the N9. Hopefully it’ll be there once Nokia is able to influence the UI more significantly. Here’s hoping the extra thickness provided by the curved screen affords users a better camera (pureview lite) and a xenon flash.
I can see Windows challenging IOS successfully on software but without leveraging Nokia’s list of user desired hardware features and upgraded guts (though build quality and design is definitely there), they’re wasting a solid advantage over competitors such as IOS, Android and other WP8 devices.
I dont think that the UX is touched or UI reskinned in the near future, when Elop stresses the halo effect of UX-formerly-known-as-Metro. I hope that they have fixed the logic of the back key for 7.8/8. I never know where I end up using it. Could be that I only rarely use WP to test web services on mobile Explorer.
am I the only one seeing the old windows logo in the capacitive buttons in the bottom ???
No, we all see that.
But it is clearly a prototype-looking device with some prototype texts perhaps visible on the bottom in the other pics… So any such detail is bound to be temporary.
WeLoveWP.hk is not the source. It is Nokia Innovation. Pls change your source link! Thanks.
http://nokiainnovation.com/2012/08/confirmed-nokia-phi-is-nokia-lumia-800-successor-with-photo/
+1
Nokia innovation got tipped about Phi a few hours before those images were leaked from another blog. According to them those pictured handset is the L800 successor with a screen size of 4.3″.
And honestly I don’t see the point of a WP “Phablet” running the stock WP8 UI. What makes the Note so outstanding (beside the monster size) are some neat UI elements.
No, I saw it, too. And that all those keys ate white instead of they grey the other two are.
There was mention of tile size, but no one said anything about the “yellow one possibly having a different resolution.
There is the scale relation by hand size brought up, but little hands can make a medium phone look larger and vice versa.
Janne’s suggestion of it being scaled incorrectly sounds right on the money, considering the Nokia Logo. There is also distortion, the “Phil” is compressed top to bottom. Nokia isn’t going to use a 15:9 screen, because that is stupid.
Erm you realize 800×840 is 15:9, right? And the highest res, 1280×768 is also 15:9 ?
Nokia did 16:9 with Symbian (640×360) and can do it with WP8 (1280×720), but all Lumias and in fact all WP devices so far are 15:9
That said this picture suggests 15:9. IMHO it’s a nicer aspect ratio for normal use, browsing etc. Watching a movie, well tap the little zoom icon and it fills the screen by cutting a little bit of the side, hasn’t ruined the experience for me at all
Well slap my mouth and call me a bitch! I never bothered to check that until you pointed that out. Explains Sony’s 854×480 displays so they are true to 16:9 aspect ratio.
“Phablet”
if nothing else it was worth the post just to hear that new phrase
it kinda maybe looks bigger than the L9, if so nokia has overcome the issues it faced with a curved screen on a large display,
and if its larger with curves then there should be more room for pv, i’m allowed to dream.
Nokia will fail unless they succeed in bringing the phones in customer’s hand within 1week of announcement.
Maybe Nokia should just slap a WP8 into the current PV808 body.
It still hasn’t been disclosed what GPU is under the 808′s hood. For Pure View to work on WP8, their going to need the same architecture in the GPU, the same DSPand the APIs to run the camera naively. To get it to production the sooner, anyway. They would likely need the same 41 MO unit too.. Same deal with the rich recording. I would not at all be surprised that PureView would be launched on one of the 2 pre 2013 WP8 Lumia devices, ESPECIALLY if MS is still cranking on WP8.
This “Phil” is indeed different and does appear to be a “close” to production proto. The speaker grill in the glass, I don’t see a front facing camera, btw. I do see the edges are rounded off. Wish we could ser the sides. That would tell us quite a bit.
Just speculating: I wonder if this is a Lumia 810 with 4.3″ screen – and a Lumia 910 with 20 MPix PureView (and maybe even larger screen) will come alongside it.
I think it would seem possible that we’ll see launches in the 800 and 900 ranges when Nokia WP8′s come. 610 and 710 might remain on the budget market for a while longer.
Nokia Innovation said that there will be 2 more phones released alongside with this. I wonder are those Low range or will it include something like L900-series = flagship. Well L800 successor isn’t enough for the market. We need a L900-series phone, otherwise people will just wait for it again…
Sounds good… Looking forward to seeing them.
My guess this IS the 900 successor. The only sense in which this is the 800 successor is the curved screen.
Unless there is an even bigger-screened and bigger-cameraed (are those even words
) Lumia 910 in the works… Maybe an entirely new design at a higher price-point. In that case a Lumia 810 like this might make sense.
Well yeah, I would not call anything with a much bigger screen a 800 successor, personally. In fact, to go back to my point from several years ago, its usually misleading/mistaken to think in terms of direct successors anyway.
Yeah, I get your point. I was thinking more in terms of is this a 8xx or 9xx device. I’m thinking it may be the 810.
I’ve thought out a simple way. Why not Nokia just slap a WP8 into the current PV808 body ?
This is a Lumia 800 successor! It is a upgrade from 800 because it has NFC, dualcore, wp8 and 720p 4.3″ screen Not a galaxy note style phone… Things are always blown out of proportion
Here is my size comparision:
http://imgur.com/tHbtc
HI,
I have got some interesting news that Nokia is also going to announce a Nokia Tablet and a Windows phone 8 below 10k. Hurray
it’s 4.7″+
4.7+??
Can you confirm *this* pictures phone is 4.7″+? Or could it be that some other new WP8 phone from Nokia is 4.7″?
I don’t know if people are completely sure this phone in the picture is the same one that the rumoured specs (or even codename) are about?
That one in picture is not really coming but the real thing will have 4.7″ screen. There is 3-4 WP8 hardware currently that are real things to come.
Haha, you could not stop following what’s going on in Nokia after all?
Good for us you didn’t. 
Hi dsmobile, I’m not sure you still remember me.. we met in Mobile Review Forum before
Just wanna confirm.. you are not kidding with this info.. 4.7inch screen for Nokia smartphone is SWEET!