PureView replaces Stephen Elop’s SLR. WSJ calls 808 Breathtaking – would replace iPhone with Lumia PureView.
Stephen Elop tweeted yesterday,
@WSJ calls Nokia 808 PureView “breathtaking” Couldn’t agree more. Pureview technology has definitely replaced my SLR.http://on.wsj.com/P7pPK7
Darn twitter now fails to show user’s last tweets until you click ‘all’ so I didn’t see this yesterday.
Anyway, the post in question is this:
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2012/08/13/review-nokia-808-pureview/
They’re very harsh in calling Symbian a 3 legged mangey dog. I totally disagree with the 808 feeling plasticky. If this feels plasticky, I wonder how they feel about 99% of the other inferiorly built phones out there. Maybe yes on the buttons. But the rest? Nope.
On the camera:
Normally I use an iPhone, and while the images are OK, you always feel you are compromising on quality. That is not the case with the 808. Using the macro setting, it was possible to see individual hairs on a grasshopper (see photo above). From glaring midday sun, to late evenings, the phone handled the lighting excellently.
The author, Ben Rooney, says a WP/Lumia PureView would be good enough to consider ditching his iPhone.
Well, unfortunately we won’t be seeing any Lumia PureViews any time ‘soon’.
Cheers Joni for the tip.
Category: Nokia, Symbian, Windows Phone
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Elop does have Nokia 808 in his pocket? No. Elop already have WP pureview in his pocket? I really hope so!
I believe the whole idea of his post was that… notice he used the word “technology”.. basically that’s exactly what I thought he’d say after I read the title(which is also written somehow the same)..
but again, this is elope, and he will avoid mentioning a symbian product if he could, and focus on the feature that will make it to win phone
have you seen any mention to Symbian in the twit? Elop is a professional communicator, he referred PureView only…
Elop hate Symbian, but…
Symbian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WP8
How often did you need to write it in order to believe it yourself?
No, Symbian is not good compared neither WP8, Android or iOS.
You have to face that Symbian sucks, a bunch of (90% of the time useless) features doesn’t make up for the horrible user experience.
Said it to my mother and other people who use symbian phones everyday and have no problem with usability. Most of them doesn’t want to get my galaxy on android, because they think android sucks and it’s uncomfortable to use. I think you are unable to use any modern electronic device if you have any problem with symbian. It’s fantastic and easy to use system.
Installing an app on WP takes a few seconds. On Symbian it takes freaking minutes, and blocks the rest of the UI (and yes I have all the Qt dependencies already installed). A Lumia 610 boots from power-off to fully usable in less than 30 seconds, including typing in the PIN AND the security code. My N8 takes a lot lot longer and lags a lot the first few minutes of use.
You can certainly get a lot done with Symbian, but the experience is NOT that good. Sorry.
Two ways to solve symbian issues… 1.improve the processor and streamline coder
2. burn it down.
Guess which one is better?
“have you seen any mention to Symbian”
What’s wrong with you people? Last I checked the Nokia 808 Pureview IS a Symbian. He said he agrees with it being great.
“@WSJ calls Nokia 808 PureView “breathtaking” Couldn’t agree more…”
i hope so too, it would be phenomenal if a purview lumia is available this year.
maybe he’ll get used to symbian now and replace wp with it
Jay wrote: “Well, unfortunately we won’t be seeing any Lumia PureViews any time ‘soon’.”
This might be a stupid question, as I have not been following the topic so actively, but what is this based on?
elop is using an iphone? suicidal.
First, where do you read this? And second, I hope that everybody at nokia who is responsible for new phones has an iPhone and some top class Androids in their pockets. It was the problem of old Nokia that they didn’t have an eye on their competitors and simply ignored them.
It was the reviewer, Ben Rooney, who said he normally used an iphone for pics.
Daylight PureView pictures are amazing but night… Disaster. RX100 totally blows it away.
Although you are just trolling… try to stay on scale. The RX100 has a 1″ sensor and an aperture of F1.4 (808 has 1/1.2″ and F2.4). The lens of the RX100 is a different league when it comes to low light. But nevertheless, low light performance of the 808 is better than of any phone in the world.
One simply shouldn’t compare the 808 with a DSLR or top end compact (like LX3/LX5 or others above). While it might be on par with even the best DSLRs for some situations (which is really astonishing), it is not meant to replace any of those. The 808 doesn’t have a variable aperture, it doesn’t have a mechanical image stabiliser, it doesn’t shot raw files and obviously doesn’t have a range finder (which most of the compacts are missing, too). In this way one shouldn’t compare it to the high-end cameras. However, the fact that it can match the quality of those under certain conditions is just incredible.
Yeah I agree, the 808 squeezes a fantastic camera into a package even smaller than the smallest point and shooter. It might not be as good as DSLRs in low light but I think it’s great for video, both for the image and sound quality, whereas most DSLRs have terrible audio.
LOL…
The night shoots are also amazing..
But hey, why I’m even responding to you troller no1!
He’s returning to his former trolling roots.
Each time we are approaching to a Nokia product launch, our old friend Cod3rror unfolds his trollolol guns.
So, Cod3rror, are you gonna buy the 808? or you already have it? Because even with all your whining, I am sure you still have your N8 around. You thought I would not remember that you mentioned about your little nokia collection? That was less than a year ago. You still keep “junk” just as Marinokia.
Come on pal, being in that closet for too much time must be very painful. Come to the Nokia side..we have cookies.
Follow-up
Soooooo Cod3rror. I’ve found your little gem.
August 8, 2011 on the Rich’s Nokia Collection
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/08/pic-richs-awesome-nokia-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-139128
One year ago, you were still using the N86 as your phone. You also mentioned you were going to buy the N8 if the price was further reduced, which already have. So you must have the N8 by now.
Not surprisingly, there’s not single part in the comment that reflects any possession of an Apple product by your persona.
But I know, you just enjoy the attention, which I already gave you enough… sigh.
/creepy searching ended
Notice he says “PureView Technology” and not the 808PV. Maybe he is packing a Lumia PV Prototype
woooow
i not being suprised bcoz he was Nokia CEO
and my friends on nokia
say its true
all VIP WP developers now holding a lumia with/out pv with WP8 NOW
Stupid Stephen Flop
Screw you for destroying Meego !
Such a nice platform…
Nokia fan and user for 11 year !
+1
+1
Notice Elop always using the right PR words only when it comes to Wp products.
yeah, way to ignore the many times he has talked about how great PV on the 808 is. this is the right time for him to hint that he is already using a WP8 PV proto.
Don’t you understand.
He’s only praising the camera in the 808.
He was also only usually praising the N9 body/look so as to connect the PR on to the lumnia.
Yeah. If only he would have said “@WSJ calls Nokia 808 PureView “breathtaking” Couldn’t agree more..”
…oh wait…
-1
m$ Nokia: -666 PS: I Love my 808 PV with Belle FP1. Where is 41mp M$ phone??
What do you care, you would not buy it anyway, would you?
Anyway, from Elop’s tweet sounds like its not too far away anymore.
You should blame the Symbian managers and teams inside Nokia for killing Meego. They held it back and neutered it, original Maemo was in development already in 2003. Should have been released already 2009-2010 at the latest, but your precious SYMBIAN teams fought it tooth and nail because it would threaten their baby.
Guess why Elop so unceremoniously kicked out Symbian without any way back? To get Nokia moving forward again. Maemo is/was an awesome platform and could have gone a long way, but 2011 was already too late for it.
any new nokia phones without pureview is rubbish
Can you please say that one more time?
vipottaja is stupid x 3
Lol. You so funny.
viipottaja is smart x3.
balance is important. =P
so wp8 need pureview to stay alive?
No.
yes
No. PV will be a great addition to Nokia’s WP8s, but will still be a relatively niche or at best just part of the WP8 sales for even Nokia. Non-PV phones will likely outsell at least in sales volumes the PV ones in the short to medium term(i.e. until PV can be put into most phones).
Agree. And I think Nokia WP8 devices (without PV) will outsell the other WP (HTC, etc.) devices as well.
I thought WP was doing all fine with their “ecosystem”.
lmao
“Well, unfortunately we won’t be seeing any Lumia PureViews any time ‘soon’”
@Jay,
Is that your opinion or do you know something? The last I heard, Elop said Lumia’s with PureView would be available soon but of course “soon” to a CEO can be open to interpretation.
”A 3 legged mangey dog”
I don’t know how I would say this but comments like these are frustrating and really out of context. I mean why always there need to be opinions that something is either utterly crap or totally amazing? Why cannot say that something is quite good or not that good? Being more honest is what I mean. I am using Symbian phones (E7 and N8) and I can say that f. ex. the built in browser is not that good but it is still totally useable (what I have found out is that stuttering in browser is somehow related to javascript; if you turn it off the situation is much better). E-mail is quite good, although there is sometimes problems with attached files. Keyboard is ok and arrow keys make typing easier. Multitasking is really good, very secure and stable, realtime.
You can see my comments above. They are what ‘being honest’ means to me. For me it raises one question: are most of the bloggers and even journalists stupid? Or what is the reason behind oversimplifying and exaggerating things? Should journalists be honest and try to spread information in a way that is not influenced by their own personal opinions?
This seems to be major trend on most of the US based techblogs and I am frustrated about that.
Thanks Jay for being honest and neutral in your blogging! You do not belong to the category I just referred. Thanks!
Hi Heikki,
first of all, a three legged dog is a fine dog. Maybe not as fast as a four (or five) legged one, but can still be a great (or better) one to have.
Second, I agree. Even more than the bloggers, the commenters are way too often all about black and white. However, I do disagree on singling out even “most” US based techblogs of as guilty of this. Blogs from elsewhere are often the same too.
Thanks for your kind comment. Mind you if I keep on ranting a little more.
The other thing that irritates me is that the most of these black’n'white people and bashers couldn’t do any better those things they are trashing with their comments. Most of them cannot write a single piece of code nor do graphics/designing. They really don’t understand that how hard f. ex. coding is. If they would be asked to do same things than engineers do when they are creating platform/operating system/applications they simply couldn’t. And if some of them can they couldn’t do it any better necessarily.
The trend is that vast major of people are just self-important and the gadget sells well if it elevates the persons pride. I hope that people would be just normal themselves without trying to act cool with showing phone/tablet/insert here some device. They still are just gadgets.
/end of rant
Heikki, and again, could not agree more!
Not to mention many don’t seem to understand that getting the code/software right is just a tiny part of what all needs to come together for a piece of electronics to land in the store, let alone be successful and profitable. Nor the time and effort it takes to get there.
Have a great weekend!
It’s just fair to say that Symbian is crap compared to the competition. Sure, you can use it. That just doesn’t make it something that is great when you have the option to pick up something truly great from the competition.
You don’t have to be a coder to decide if something if crappy or not. Coding and designing software is not an easy task to do. Nokia just didn’t have what it takes to compete against the competition. There is nothing to underestimate and nothing to bash if the product is not competitive.
If the consumers believe Symbian is a crappy OS then it’s a crappy OS because you can’t sell handsets with it. It doesn’t matter if you have tons of features and specs if it just can’t match the competition.
Just look at what is happening with the PureView effect. It’s a nice filter for images and you can enhance your pictures with it. It’s an feature you can have hardware accelerated with the 808. That’s a great feature Nokia can deliver only with Symbian.
Symbian’s bad reputation will make the PureView filter to lose it’s value if Nokia can’t make a competitive device with a PureView filter. They have to introduce a handset without Symbian and with the PureView filter. That’s competitive.
It’s a funny circle. You could see the ends connect with how they reported on the Do-Not-Track flag enabling Microsoft did for IE 10.
You see, when the entertainment industry gets pissed off by the internet, people tell them that we don’t care about their obsolete business model. Yet, when Google is threatened (DNT flag severely impacting tracking, and practically speaking, no single person has any reason whatsoever to opt-in to that, it’s obnoxious and evil behaviour), these same people say “oh no but all this online media you read for free are supported by ads”, i.e defending that business model.
How do online ads work? Page views. How do you get pageviews? Sensationalist made-up bullshit headlines, flame-bait articles, and trying to get trolls and fanboys to fight in your comments section. Also copying-without-checking-anything everything from other sources, and if possible using circular references.
That is the kind of “free media” we get from “ads”. Engadget and TheVerge being prime examples, some good articles, but mostly just flamebait self-important assholes who mostly love Android because they think Google is great, and who themselves live from the ads Google runs.
IMO, Fuck Google with a big ass pointy stick. “Don’t Be Evil” My Ass.
/drunk
//ask me abour rating agencies stock price manipulations for personal gain
screw this man………that;s all
‘and the Zeiss lenses results in a rather bulbous, and not all that attractive, phone’
I dunno if u like flat chested, waif thin women.. But I like my woman to have curves, to have them jugs hanging out proud.. Certainly its there for a reason..
And I’m not alone in this world either (talkin’ bout the phone now).. I got friends saying the 808 looks and feels great in their hands, just like a proper woman should.. One even quote the ‘casing’ I have on my phone made it look ‘out of this world’ when the 808 was actually as naked as when it was born.. lol
exactly what i think. i never like my woman or phone flat as a board, i like them curvaceous. the camera hump of my 808 feel as good to hold in my hands.
price on the 808 here in the US is dropping like a rock!
from $699 to $619 now on amazon.
I need it to get around $500-550 before i bite though.
Yeah, the 808 seems to be selling only in small numbers. The product is failing.
The availability is great compared to some the truly great products of the competition. You can get the product in less than a week. You were not able to get a truly great product from the competition in less than a month or two. The 808 has a great availability compared to the competition.
The consumers do not want the 808. Nokia spent five years on a product the consumers do not want because of the Symbian OS.
The price of the 808 is coming down really fast. The price of the 808 was not too high if you compare it to the truly great products from the competition.
The price of the 808 is too high if you think the 808 is not a modern smartphone. Unfortunately most of the consumers seem to think the 808 is not a modern smartphone. Symbian is considered as a piece of crap by most of the consumers.
The 808 seems to be a great camera. It would be selling better without the Symbian OS and it’s probable that a WP8 handset with a large sensor will outsell the 808. The problem is that a good PureView effect requires a large sensor and the outcome is a thick handset.
It remains to be seen if the PureView effect will give Nokia some real advantage. If Nokia is going to use the PureView effect on a smaller sensor it’s possible the competition will provide an effect similar to the PureView effect with an OS update. While that will be slower it will give you the same results with comparable sensors.
Really? Price of 800 in my country has dropped from ~300$ to 1$. In my company all new phones are made by Nokia, but none of them are Lumias, only symbian ones. I think you are fucking troll. My friends told me (who work for Orange) that they want to stop buying Lumias, because they have a big problem to sell them, the price is too low, and very similar to s40.
Hi, which country are you in?
$1? Really? can you send me a few?
Yeah, I ‘m sure your company can’t buy Lumia handsets with PureView effect.
Some companies do buy Symbian handsets because it’s the company policy. It doesn’t make Symbian any better.
I just got a white Lumia 900.. no way I would give away Symbian/808 for a phone like the 900, far inferior for my usage. I really hope Wp8 turns things around..
i made a quick camera shoot with the two.. no contest. I can’t post link here tho..
Hi, can you specify what are the inferior points in your mind(besides the obviously lower quality camera than in the 808)?