Nokia teasing Lumia PureView?

| August 21, 2012 | 180 Replies

Quick little post here guys. MoritzJT retweeted something interesting earlier. It was a tweet from Nokia, telling a fan to “Just keep your eyes and ears open in the next coming weeks….” in response to them mentioning PureView technology on Lumia.

This probably doesn’t mean much, but it would be really nice if Nokia did bring a Lumia PureView w/ WP8 next month. So much anticipation for Nokia World.

Source: Twitter

Category: Nokia

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  1. adit38 says:

    so, when elop tweet about how cool to use pureview his own, thats not 808 but Lumia PureView?

  2. Jay Montano says:

    I am all ears (and eyes) for the next Lumia with Rich Recording and PureView technology. :)

    I really don’t want to be wishing for one to arrive in September and be so utterly disappointed when it’s not there. I am adjusting my expectations for spring :p

    • wes? says:

      Same thing here. Hoping to not hope to much for PureView/Rich Recording for the next Lumia :)

    • deep space bar says:

      nothing will ever touch the original

      • viktor von d. says:

        except your pesimism and trollish behaviour

        • deep space bar says:

          IT WONT ACCEPT IT

          • Just Visiting says:

            deepspacebar…Perhaps there won’t be another 41MP Pureview, but Pureview in ANY iteration sans Symbian, will make it more desireable and pleasurable to use than the 808 :)

            Accept it!

            • Dave says:

              Don’t see why; I’ve been finding the 808 a true pleasure to use – and if the Lumia Pureview camera isn’t as good as that in the 808, I don’t see any reason for me to downgrade.

              • Rafaelinux says:

                Exactly that, why downgrade to a phone with a worse OS and an inferior camera? o.O

                • deep space bar says:

                  symbian is fine….people expect too much from it which is annoying….after all it’s still a damn PHONE not a computer …..smartPHONE

                  • Bosh says:

                    Well, the thing is that now what sells is a SMARTphone, look at the sales of the Galaxy S3 alone, it sold more than all the Lumias or Symbians, and why? Because:
                    1. Android is designed for touch experience, and hey I was an Android hater until I tried it.
                    2. Current HW specs of Symbian phones sucks.
                    3. All my friends that have a Symbian phone (and believe me there are still a lot) agree that Symbian lags incredibly, the UI sucks, and we don’t use most of the revered features as USB OTG.

                    Nobody I know wants a Sybmian phone, and they aren’t even aware of the death sentence for it, they just plainly try out my N8 and say “man, how can you text with this sh*t”.

                    So, that’s why it might be good to have a Lumia PureView.

                • dss says:

                  A downgrade is exactly how I felt when I got a Lumia 900 and used it for a week instead of the 808..

              • deep space bar says:

                how is it cause i’m getting my white 808 next month

              • pureviewfan says:

                no 808 succesor, no purchase. does not matter it is running shit os wp8

              • Just Visiting says:

                Good for you, Dave. But I have a N8, and enough experience with Symbian to know that any WP device would be a pleasure to use; Symbian is a ‘no joy’ as far as I’m concerned.

                Thus, WP with Pureview (regardless of MP sensor size) will definitely be a vastly more pleasurable experience. An upgrade for me, definitely :)

                • So you don’t even have 808. You do know, that N8 has slow as hell hardware inside it, right? 808 is a lot faster and smoother phone. Symbian is not to blame for N8′s jerkiness. It’s the shitty old hardware inside. Put WP inside N8 and see how smooth it is compared to Symbian. It would be totally unusable if it worked. The problem is of course that, WP being a picky POS ,it cannot even use N8′s hardware.

                  • Oh Hei says:

                    Death Merchant – I don’t need to own 808 to know that I never want to use, nor pay any money for, another Symbian device.

                    And for the record, my N8 runs just fine – no issues, really; but Symbian and Belle is a boring, no joy, operating system as far as I’m concerned and I can hardly to buy a better user experience.

                    My next phone, and soon, will be a Nokia – a Lumia WP8 with or without Pureview. I will gladly pay full MSRP for it if necessary. My N8 will be relagated to the kitchen drawer!

            • Pdexter says:

              Pretty much. After using iOS, Android and lately Lumia’s it became shcok just how rubbush Symbian still is in 2012.

              Just the errors, how it asks you to connect to WiFi, lagginess, browser from the 90′s.

              Hardware other than screen is fine on 808, but Windows Phone would be HUGE upgrade, not to talk about iOS or Android.

              • WP is a HUGE downgrade in functionality and aesthetic appeal. Just totally unusable OS. Even worse than iOS, which you can at least jailbreak.

                But I guess most people don’t even need a true smartphone. All they want is a phone that has a web browser, Facebook, Twitter, email, games and some “cool” transition FX i.e. a dumbphone. Which incidentally WP really is – a dumbphone OS like S40.

          • sunnyvale says:

            Come to the Dark side…we..have…cookies.

      • flava says:

        True, but i think lite-pureview like N8 camera has is sufficient enough for the coming Nokia Lumia, add rich recording technology and that’ll be a perfect phone, at least for me :)

      • dss says:

        Ya.. just like the 800 could never be as cool as the original.

    • DeepNara says:

      Ok it will be a nice surprise if they introduce Lumia pureview in September.
      I will be happy if they implement the pureview in video mode if not able to do in still photography due to sensor limitations.
      also rich recording should be there people are underestimating this really nice feature.

      The above mentioned tweet and Chris tweet to take Samsung notice for the next gen Lumia are a positive sign.Otherwise the hardware and software difference between Lumias and Omnias will be very low.

  3. BellGo says:

    Hopefully the Lumias will get pureview. It would be a pretty nice addition.

    • BellGo says:

      Some extra thoughts on WP 8 and Nokia..

      While a pureview Lumia with a good processor would be a good phone, the problem is still the OS.. WP 7 didn’t sell. Wp 7.5 doesn’t sell. There is no reason why WP 8 would sell well. Why? Not much has changed. 7.5 was playing catch up and bringing some key features, but it still had the same really limited and not appealing to the masses design. And what do you know, WP 8 still playing catch up and brings very few minimal changes to the OS itself.

      How long can this go on? WP has NOTHING to offer over any other operating system but its smoothness. Oh and guess what? Jellybean brigs (according to Google) constant 60 fps for Android. So the only thing WP had going on will soon be insignificant. And it was obvious that Android would catch up on that feature eventually. I see WP as something that maybe could have succeeded in the very beginning of the smartphone era. Simple to use and functional, requiring minimal hardware to work. Then when hardware got better people would look for an OS that offers more to suit their needs. Now that time is long gone. Android (and iOS) are constantly bringing new software features to the smartphone world. WP being as limited and closed down will most likely always stay pretty much as it is.

      So would people honestly want to see the same tiles and nothing else with no new actual features to the OS for the many years to come? Few people want WP it as is right now. Even iOS brings new features each time. WP veeery few. And yes it is true that one should not fix what is broken, but here is the truth; iOS sells. Android sells. Even Symbian sold. WP does not. No one can pretend that WP does not have marketing or manufacturers to support it. So something needs to be done. For Nokia’s sake.

      • Peter says:

        Only a moron would put all their eggs in one basket. Especially when they had the market and they had the new OS that would replace Symbian, MeeGo, using their software developing tool QT. MeeGo was and still is extremely desirable. WP has never attracted much sale and it never will. It’s an OS even more boring and unattractive then iOS.

        I’m rooting for Jolla!

        • Mark says:

          “MeeGo was and still is extremely desirable.”

          Not according to sales figures.

          • poiman says:

            +1

            And now they say that it’s because Nokia didn’t put it for sale in many countries, and I say, bullshit! It wouldn’t sell anyway.

            • James says:

              The fact of the matter is nobody knows, & nobody ever will, lets just leave it at that.
              Some are fond of citing a few countries where the L800 was sold in a similar fashion to the N9 & outsold it.
              But I think they’re well aware that extrapolating what may have happened from that, is far from being intellectually honest.

          • Because Elop certainly gave same massive push to it than WP has had. Hundreds of millions of euros worth of marketing, sold in all the major markets and a secure future with 100% support & dedication as a main OS for Nokia. /s

            You WP drones are either really dumb or just dishonest trolls. Or both.

      • viktor von d. says:

        -you mean the ability for third party developers to include native code in their apps isn’t a change?
        -true os multitasking isn’t an improvement?
        -skype and third party voip services included in the os not a imporvement?
        -the ability to bring true xbox games and w8apps to wp with little work because of the shared architecture isn’t change?
        -shared ecosystem with skydrive,w8,xbox,outlook, cool implementation of social services in the os that are constantly praised on all tech blogs isn’t differentiating enough?
        -suport for a shitload of cores, alot more than android isn’t change?
        -high res screens, sd cards, blue-tooth, nfc, mass storage isn’t a improvement on wp7?
        -the best wallet solution on all platforms isn’t a improvement? -or the innovation that is camera lenses isn’t a differentiating feature of the os?
        -and on top of that you have clearblack displays, pureview tehnology, great maps solution and offline maps.

        and no wp does not have marketing and manufacturers to support it. it did have marketing once nokia came to the table. and the other manufacturers only released sub par phones with shitty quality. and the fact that wp7 was so limited in the hardware department didn’t help. things are only beginning to change now with samsung,htc and other investing more in the platform.
        as far as i’m concerned only nokia deserves to have success with wp because of their involvement in the platform, not to mention they helped ms create wp8 working together to bring hardware req down, contributed to nfc integration, map implementation and camera features. and because wp8 lifted the restrictions on hardware they now have a chance to have more devices all with different features,screens,storage,processors and so on.
        you want nokia to have a huge marketshare despite the fact that they only have 4 models, released in chaos, they don’t have carrier suport around the world and are in the middle of restructuring their production facilities. they need to have 8 devices on 4 continents, on a majority of carriers, all released without delay and relatively at once to have a chance to regain the marketshare they had with symbian. because symbian had all those benefits and that is another reason why it was able to reign all those years.

        but in your world it seems only jellybean exists. you want jellybean, go buy a android device and be happy about it. i suggest sony cause they do have nice designs,build quality and cameras. but why the hell do you stay on this site promoting android? it’s water under the bridge. the ship has sailed, no more symbian,meego, no android from nokia. only wp and s40. we like it or not this is the strategy, it didn’t change in the last year, it won’t change in the next 2 years. constantly bitching about it on every post doesn’t seem to productive.
        and if you give me the pain of losing meego and symbian speech, i think there was enough complaining in the last year and a half that everybody interest got the message. it was a tragedy meego was let go, but like i said water under the bridge, everything that could have been said on the subject of nokia strategy has been said here and debated countless times in theyear that has passed. MOVE ON

        • drg says:

          What he said. +1000

        • BellGo says:

          “-you mean the ability for third party developers to include native code in their apps isn’t a change?
          …List continues…”

          What you listed are catch up or features that WP already had (or what Nokia brought).. Except the very first one, I really doubt that this means that the WP marketplace will suddenly double in size of apps now does it? In fact, what does it mean in practice? How will the apps for WP 8 differ from the apps from iOS or Android?

          “and no wp does not have marketing and manufacturers to support it. it did have marketing once nokia came to the table. and the other manufacturers only released sub par phones with shitty quality. and the fact that wp7 was so limited in the hardware department didn’t help.
          …etc.”

          No matter how you try to spin it WP did indeed have marketing and manufacturers even before Nokia, HTC and Samsung don’t look at WP and go; “Oh I don’t want to sell THAT, let’s focus on Android only.” The simple truth is their WP devices just don’t sell nearly as much as their Android ones.

          “but in your world it seems only jellybean exists. you want jellybean, go buy a android device and be happy about it. i suggest sony cause they do have nice designs,build quality and cameras. but why the hell do you stay on this site promoting android…
          + mindless ranting..”

          You seems to have missed the part about iOS and Symbian on my last post.. (among everything else I wrote) and simply moved on to insults and assumptions.

          Still by reading your post I don’t see any arguments why an OS that offers nothing new compared to its competitors and is just playing catch up would suddenly be a huge success when so far it has not been regardless of the hundreds of millions put on advertising and the ex- biggest phone manufacturer going all out for it.

          • flava says:

            You both got the points :)

            But hey, Windows 8 is coming. With all the tablets and laptops using it, I believe it will somehow boost up Windows Phone sale, not directly and in an instant of course. Slowly but sure, pretty possible isn’t it?

            • poiman says:

              Of course! The best marketing for WP8 is going to be W8. Many people still don’t know today what are live tiles and don’t understand the new Modern UI. Once W8 is released people will have those things in their houses whether they want them or not. People will get used to it and once they release how easy it is to use (specially on touch), fast and smooth they will learn to like it and will want their phones to work just like that.

          • Janne says:

            I’d say Windows Phone offers a lot that the competition doesn’t. The UI is very unique and I prefer it over Android and iOS. Android and iOS are just clones of each other in many ways, but Windows Phone is quite unique.

            • BellGo says:

              Yes, the UI is unique, but that is about it, isn’t it? And it has not appealed to the majority of people yet.

              • poiman says:

                People don’t know about it yet because so far the marketing was weak and carriers didn’t push WP sales. But once Windows 8 arrives people will know what it all is about.

                • BellGo says:

                  “People don’t know about it yet because so far the marketing was weak..”

                  How so?

                  “But once Windows 8 arrives people will know what it all is about.”

                  Oh people already know what it looks like.. even Xbox has it and (I’ve been told) every phone store I have been to has WP devices on display.

                  WP is not somehow hidden away like you like to pretend. It is very much out in the open, but doesn’t attract consumers.

                • Marketing weak?! Are you nuts? They’ve spent about one billion dollars in WP’s marketing. Face it, people don’t care about WP.

                  And when W8 arrives, people will indeed know what it’s all about, and hate it. W8 use is absolutely horrible. People will go back to using W7, Vista and XP. Or maybe even pick up a Mac. W8 is the worst Windows since 3.x. Even the original, unstable as hell, 95 was better.

            • pureviewfan says:

              unique but ugly

              • Hypnopottamus says:

                In your opinion.

                • And mine. And judging by its pathetic market share, it appears to be the opinion of 99% of the population.

                  • lordstar says:

                    I wouldn’t say that it’s ugly, it’s just not that pleasing enough for the entire mainstream smartphone buyers I guess. I really hope Nokia would be allowed to “skin” the windows 8 ui. Not totally change how it looks but add more functionality.

                  • Hypnopottamus says:

                    There are other reasons why people might not like WP other than it’s look. The UI has won praise by many. The shortcomings feature wise may explain why people aren’t so keen to hopping aboard the WP train. You can’t blame the market share entirely on the UI.

            • dss says:

              andro and ios are based on what Symbian and Windows Mobile did years before them, they just did it a little better, with better timing on the hardware/network side of things.

            • Hypnopottamus says:

              I think UI and UX should be kept seperate. While the UI (using tiles and metro design)is different, the UX on WP (with its people, picture, game, media hubs)is really different than what you get from other platforms. The “one-stop” approach is really unique and helps (in theory) cut down on the need for an apps to do certain tasks. If MS (and/or Nokia) can capitalize and inhance the hubs, it will really set the OS apart in terms of usablility.

            • The UI is horrible and disgusting. At least half of the people hate it. It’s hardly a plus when you already lose half of the market with the UI alone. Android and iOS don’t have that problem.

              And when W8 comes, even more people are gonna hate the UI when they are forced to use W8 in their work etc. W8 will become the most hated Windows ever and its UI the symbol of it.

          • viktor von d. says:

            i listed to you a lot of wp8 features that the other platforms don’t have and decided to ignore them. yes wp8 does have features,fresh features, some of them aren’t even anounced yet. you choose no to see it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.
            shared ecosystem with w8,xbox,ms services,native cod implementation,multitasking,original and inovating camera app,original wallet implementation what the hell do you want more? other features are added by each manufacturer after. so far the os apears to have every base sorted out.
            so yes the os does offer something new, isn’t playing catch up anymore.
            but my question still stands, if don’t like the current strategy, if you love jellybean so much or whatever else os,why don’t you switch and get on with it? constantly moaning every time on every article, the same shit regurgitated over and over…
            and i din’t insult you, and didn’t rant. pay more attention when you read. i am criticizing your behavior, not you and confront your lack of facts from your posts

            • BellGo says:

              “i listed to you a lot of wp8 features that the other platforms don’t have and decided to ignore them.”

              Of course you did.. let’s go trough them, shall we?

              - True multitasking.
              Is not an unique feature.
              -Skype.
              https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skype.raider&hl=en
              http://itunes.apple.com/app/skype/id304878510

              -Xbox games
              You really think a smartphone can run Xbox games?

              -shared ecosystem with skydrive,w8,xbox,outlook, cool implementation of social services in the os that are constantly praised on all tech blogs isn’t differentiating..

              http://itunes.apple.com/fi/app/skydrive/id477537958?mt=8
              http://phandroid.com/2012/08/14/skydrive-app-coming-soon-after-site-and-desktop-apps-receive-overhaul/
              What about W8 integration? Precisely what? And for Xbox?
              Outlook is for other OSs.
              And Social features are not new. (by the way, I did ask for new non catch up features, remember?)

              -suport for a shitload of cores, alot more than android isn’t change?
              How many does Android support? I don’t think there is a limit. And you really think that WP devices will suddenly come with 34 cores? Sigh.. Hint; Next gen WPs will probably have 2 cores. 4 at best, just like Android (and probably the next iPhone)

              -high res screens, sd cards, blue-tooth, nfc, mass storage isn’t a improvement on wp7?

              Catch up.

              -the best wallet solution on all platforms isn’t a improvement? -or the innovation that is camera lenses isn’t a differentiating feature of the os?

              Catch up. I don’t know if this is better than Google wallet? Maybe? Even so it is not a huge deal. What do you mean with camera lenses?

              -and on top of that you have clearblack displays, pureview tehnology, great maps solution and offline maps.

              “yes wp8 does have features,fresh features, some of them aren’t even anounced yet. you choose no to see it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.”

              Oh let me list the actual new non catch up features of WP 8 that you gave me;

              -
              -
              -
              -
              - Slightly better Wallet?
              -
              -
              -Possible undefined integration.
              -
              -

              “shared ecosystem with w8,xbox,ms services,native cod implementation,multitasking,original and inovating camera app,original wallet implementation what the hell do you want more?”

              Tell me what it will mean to have a shared ecosystem with W8 and xbox? Like if I pick up a WP8 device what will I be able to do that I can’t with other OSs. You still told nothing about what the code actually means. Camera app? Really? Ok, you have a new camera app, I think that falls to the minimal changes area. Multitasking is catch up..

              So we are left with the ecosystem, and you have not yet provided examples of what this will mean.

              “f you love jellybean so much or whatever else os,why don’t you switch and get on with it? constantly moaning every time on every article, the same shit regurgitated over and over…
              and i din’t insult you, and didn’t rant. pay more attention when you read. i am criticizing your behavior, not you and confront your lack of facts from your posts”

              Again with pointless insults. I am the one being calm and pointing out flaws in a strategy. Nothing more.

              “”and i din’t insult you, and didn’t rant””
              “”constantly moaning every time on every article, the same shit regurgitated over and over…””

              Seems about right.

        • Anders81 says:

          100% agree with above commentator! Today I had a similar toned conversation with my colleague at work who is using android and the thing is that these android fanboys do not have a clue what WP8 is putting to the table.
          I don`t really care about whether somebody uses whatever OS but FFS get the facts straight before ranting about it. WP8 offers arguably the best combined platform for the consumer, for the first time. Take it or leave it, it`s up to you. By the end of 2012 I will have two desktops running W8, one tablet running W8, one Nokia phablet running WP8 and one Nokia WP8 with PureView. The last one is a wish though…

          • BellGo says:

            I’m sorry, but if i have said something wrong please do point it out. But if I have not and you are just pretending that I did, then I don’t think I am the one who is the fanboy.. (ESPECIALLY considering that I did not focus on Android)

          • BellGo says:

            ” By the end of 2012 I will have two desktops running W8, one tablet running W8, one Nokia phablet running WP8 and one Nokia WP8 with PureView. The last one is a wish though…”

            And? You could get windows mobile (resembles Windows up to 7) and windows PC and windows tablets before. Why does that matter? Why can’t I just use an iPad and a PC?

            “WP8 offers arguably the best combined platform for the consumer, for the first time.”

            I’d like to know why. Really, do tell me.

            • Anders81 says:

              Does the word integration and the same UI in each of those devices mean anything to you ? To me it does so that`s why.
              In addition the best camera, the best maps, the best navigation available mean a bit for me too :)

              Now some even more personal thoughts on the matter:
              I really deteset the proprietary rights terms presented by Google which basically state that everything you make or, upload or do belongs to Google. This is a subjective point and if you like it or not it`s fine for me.

              Since Googdroid has grown to have solid userbase they begin to get the same treatment from malware producers as Msft has had for the past 3 decades already fighting against viruses and malware. Somehow I do believe that W8 & WP8 are better doing this fighting than droid. (Ios has not the game on and when/if they have then they will have to prove themself as well.) This point is also subjective and if it doesn`t matter to you then it is fine by me.

              Regarding the apps at the google market place I wouldn`t be bragging too much about having 15000 malware/bogus APPS registered to my app marketplace in a 3 month period…of course you can have a pretty number of apps but I am more of a qualitative and not quantitative type of guy, however everybody suits themselves.

              In a side note to your earlier comment, I have to let you know that since Nokia jumped to WP wagon the sales volumes of WP / quarter has been so far the biggest in the recorder history of any, including ios & droid, newly launched os in their first year. This point is not subjective but I only thought you should know this.

              • BellGo says:

                “Does the word integration and the same UI in each of those devices mean anything to you ? To me it does so that`s why.”

                UI? No. (which is why I referred to Windows Mobile as an example) What integration is there between WP 8 and Windows 8? That is not available for any other operating system? And maps, camera and navigation are from Nokia, not WP are they not?

                “Regarding the apps at the google market place I wouldn`t be bragging too much about having 15000 malware/bogus APPS registered to my app marketplace in a 3 month period…”

                Oh come on.. that is such a bias claim to make, of course there are a huge amount (99%) of actual apps among those and a fair bit of them are good too! You can’t just dismiss Android’s apps as “malware and bogus.” If you honestly think that then you are simply in self denial.

                “In a side note to your earlier comment, I have to let you know that since Nokia jumped to WP wagon the sales volumes of WP / quarter has been so far the biggest in the recorder history of any, including ios & droid, newly launched os in their first year”

                Riiight.. but this is NOT the first year for WP and neither iOS or Android had such huge marketing (100s of millions) nor a huge manufacturer going all out for them.

                That is like saying if Apple suddenly went for Bada and the sales increased a lot that would make Bada amazingly good. It just doesn’t work that way.

                And about your Google fears, I am afraid you and a lot of other people are exaggerating beyond belief on what Google does with your data. Has there been even ONE case of Google suddenly claiming that “Hey by the, that art picture you just uploaded on Google Drive? It is mine, so you can’t sell it. kthxbye.” Google would not survive a week if they actually did that.. All they do with your data is use it to make better ads (you know, the thing that brings them around 100% of their profits) and services and it is not like some sick person is reading all of your perverted search history, because that would probably take more people to complete than there are on the planet. So obviously it is an automatic system that just filters the adds for you.

                So in short; Google is using the data to create better services for you, and no, no one (human) is reading your private info.. Examples are Google Now, Google Drive, Chrome integration between devices and so forth.

                PS. No, I don’t work for Google etc. -.-, just using common sense.

                • BellGo says:

                  Ok, I’ll give you one thing :p, Android has a bit more than 1% of malware apps.. so basically the 99% part of my post was wrong.. (oh and those 15000 malware apps were in total, not installed in 3 months)

                  So sure, it is a problem, but you can’t use that to dismiss every other good app.

                • Anders81 says:

                  “UI? No. (which is why I referred to Windows Mobile as an example) What integration is there between WP 8 and Windows 8? That is not available for any other operating system? And maps, camera and navigation are from Nokia, not WP are they not?”

                  - Everything and nothing this is a subjective point, which you proved right.
                  - Will only be available with WP.

                  “Oh come on.. that is such a bias claim to make, of course there are a huge amount (99%) of actual apps among those and a fair bit of them are good too! You can’t just dismiss Android’s apps as “malware and bogus.” If you honestly think that then you are simply in self denial.”

                  - No this is in fact an opinion from my work colleague who has owned android for 3 years now… I wouldn`t know since I have never owned one. Ps. That is why I am on Nokia blog :)

                  “Riiight.. but this is NOT the first year for WP and neither iOS or Android had such huge marketing (100s of millions) nor a huge manufacturer going all out for them.”

                  -It really looks like it is from the sales point of view, and I wouldn`t personally compare WM to WP.
                  - Yes they did. ios 570m$ first years and droid is still kept secret but maybe during their on going court trial we will know how much exactly.

                  “That is like saying if Apple suddenly went for Bada and the sales increased a lot that would make Bada amazingly good. It just doesn’t work that way.”
                  - No it isn`t. Bada is pos even compared to S40 and WP is orgastic.
                  - It would be realistic to say that if Nokia had introduced ios or droid phone then either one of those would have got +4m sold units / quarter.

                  This answer is regarding the Google fears but your quote is too long to quote.
                  - The terms are there, in case they need to use them, you will not have a word to say. No corporation can accept those terms.
                  - In case you have no problem with these terms then you would not work in our company since we happen to deal with a lot of information, drawings, technical files which are under strict NDA`s. Just using my common sense btw.
                  - They are in court now and will be for the next 10 years because they used stuff from others. I think this proves the point.

                  • BellGo says:

                    “- Everything and nothing this is a subjective point, which you proved right.”

                    So in short we don’t know? Well it is a bit hard for me to work with that, right?

                    “- Will only be available with WP.”
                    Yes, but I was referring to everything else but what Nokia brought in. Sorry if that was not clear.

                    - No this is in fact an opinion from my work colleague who has owned android for 3 years now… I wouldn`t know since I have never owned one. Ps. That is why I am on Nokia blog

                    Don’t really care whose opinion it is, it is still objectively wrong.

                    “- Yes they did. ios 570m$ first years and droid is still kept secret but maybe during their on going court trial we will know how much exactly.”

                    If that is true then I was wrong on that account.

                    “- No it isn`t. Bada is pos even compared to S40 and WP is orgastic.
                    - It would be realistic to say that if Nokia had introduced ios or droid phone then either one of those would have got +4m sold units / quarter.”

                    Umm? I don’t know why Bada and WP are not comparable according to you? Both are not new and have about the same amount of market share. (although WP has been advertised waaay more)

                    And you think Nokia selling +4m droid or iOS phones would be impressive? No. It would be a huge disappointment from popular platforms from a manufacturer that used to sell 20m+ smartphones per quarter.

                    You still seem to forget that Nokia’s smartphone sales have dropped massively after going with WP.

                    And again with Google, I sort of have to state what I did again. Google can not go trough all your data. So no one actually looks there. And they’d be committing suicide if they ever abused their position. Re stating that Google is messing with your privacy (what you did) is not really an answer to these points.

                    Sorry if I missed anything.

                    • Anders81 says:

                      “So in short we don’t know? Well it is a bit hard for me to work with that, right?”
                      - There is no working with that. Someone likes mothers the other daughters :) If you don`t like to have same UI on all devices it is up to you, I don`t have a problem with that.

                      “Don’t really care whose opinion it is, it is still objectively wrong.”
                      - And Subjectively right and coming from a long time droid user.

                      “If that is true then I was wrong on that account.”
                      - It is true and you are wrong.

                      “Umm? I don’t know why Bada and WP are not comparable according to you? Both are not new and have about the same amount of market share. (although WP has been advertised waaay more)”
                      - I wouldn`t compare even S40 to WP let alone bada. If you do, it is fine by me. I wouldn`t make comparison between UI`s based on a market share point of view. We have seen how that works in the past with our own Symbian being the golden example.

                      “And you think Nokia selling +4m droid or iOS phones would be impressive? No. It would be a huge disappointment from popular platforms from a manufacturer that used to sell 20m+ smartphones per quarter.”
                      - No didn`t say impressive or not impressive. The point was that that decision would have led to increased sales on another platform. Google was in the race to get Nokia on board until the finish line but came second to Msft, that`s it, end of story.

                      “You still seem to forget that Nokia’s smartphone sales have dropped massively after going with WP.”
                      - No, I don`t.

                      “And again with Google, I sort of have to state what I did again. Google can not go trough all your data. So no one actually looks there. And they’d be committing suicide if they ever abused their position. Re stating that Google is messing with your privacy (what you did) is not really an answer to these points.”
                      - I have stated my point in the previous responses. My point is based on written terms of use and your point is based on presumed ways of collecting and using your data. We can, of course, continue arguing about it to the end of world if you want but I don`t really care about your point.

                    • BellGo says:

                      In most arguments we seemed to end up in reciting the things we said before or agreeing to disagree, or agreeing.

                      So I think our conversation has come to an end.

                      It will be interesting to see how W8, WP8 and Nokia will do in the future. My guess is still that not that well. Time will tell.

              • In a side note to your earlier comment, I have to let you know that since Nokia jumped to WP wagon the sales volumes of WP / quarter has been so far the biggest in the recorder history of any, including ios & droid, newly launched os in their first year. This point is not subjective but I only thought you should know this.

                This is so stupid comment that I just couldn’t let it go.

                Firstly, the smartphone market when iOS came to market was only 28 million units per quarter. With Android it was 36M/Q. When WP came to market it was a whopping 100 million per quarter. When the first Nokia WP came, it was 149 million per quarter. The latest figure (Q2/2012) was 153 million per quarter.

                You have to compare the sales numbers to the size of the market to get any meaningful comparison. And the numbers for WP have been abysmal as shown below.

                Secondly, WP was released almost two years ago. It’s not a new OS at all anymore and was about a year old when Nokia released its first Lumias. The first Nokia affected sales numbers came about 15 months after WP was released.

                So when comparing the Nokia WP numbers with iOS and Android, you must look at the sales when they had been on the market about 15-21 months. And the only meaningful number is the market share, because it takes into consideration the total size of the market. Units sales numbers themselves are meaningless without the knowledge of how many phones were sold in the world. Selling 1M phones when the market size is 10M is ten times better achievement than selling 1M in a market of 100M. Here are the numbers.

                After 15 months:
                (sold units/total market/market share)
                Android…4M / 53.8M / 7.5%
                iOS…….4.7M / 36.5M / 12.9%
                WP+WM…..2.7M / 149M / 1.8%

                After 21 months:
                Android…10.7M / 62.1M / 17.2%
                iOS…….3.8M / 36.5M / 10.4%
                WP……..4M / 153.7M / 2.6%

                Those numbers are not even close to Android and iOS. They are just pathetic. Even the unit numbers are mostly worse or at best about equal in one case. But for WP the market was 2.5 to 4 times bigger than what it was for Android and iOS. So WP should’ve sold 2.5-4 times more just to match Android and iOS sales.

                • Anders81 says:

                  Your silly ass comment is just so wrong in all aspects that I am forced to comment it.

                  1. Check your numbers they are wrong.
                  4m Lumia units delivered by Nokia in the last quarter and they have roughly 50% market share in WP.

                  2. From manufacturer or any point of view 1m units compared to 10m units is never better.

                • Lord US says:

                  So, market share matters?

                  Yeah, so you admit that Symbian was dying because it was losing huge amounts of market share long before 211? Symbian was losing 5% market share the very same quarter the N8 and the Symbian3 was released. Nokia was dying because of that clumsy OS! Nokia was losing 5% market share in a quarter for several quarters in a row and that was before Elop!

                  Symbian was dying with or without Elop. It was no longer competitive.

                  Or perhaps you have double standards for Symbian and WP? With the WP the size of the market is very important while when talking about Symbian you can forget about the market size?

                  Q4 2010 was supposed to be the new beginning for Nokia and Symbian. That turned out to be one of the biggest disasters what it comes to the market share. Sure, Nokia sold more devices while losing the market share but even that was just because of slashing ASP by 16% YoY.

                  Maybe you have double standards for Symbian and WP?

        • Luisito says:

          As far as I know, Windwos Phone isn’t a “true multitasking OS”… I will do the magic, a look like it’s (in most cases), but technically it isn’t

      • VisitingFromOuttaTown says:

        Quote: “And what do you know, WP 8 still playing catch up and brings very few minimal changes to the OS itself.”

        This comment pretty much says everything we need to know about you, your clueless!! I am not sure why you bothered writing 3 paragraphs when you have no idea what your talking about…

        Full info is not even available on WP8 yet, WP 7.5 introduced about as many changes to WP7 as you can find in a single update to any OS and WP7.8 looks as though it is going to bring a lot of cosmetic changes to 7.5.

        Go troll somewhere that people have information to share like you as you have nothing to say worth reading as far as I can see.

  4. Peter says:

    PureView technology = pixel oversampling technology. This doesn’t mean it will have a 41 MP sensor.

    • Harangue says:

      This.

      There seems to be a thought going around that PV is the monster sensor not the SW that goes into it. It is monstrous sensor on the 808 that lets pureView shine because the SW can be far more impressive with the large sensor. However, it doesn’t mean that PV can’t be implemented in 8/10/12Mpix sensors.

      Although I do remain skeptical towards a Lumia PV. It depends on the complexity and portability of the PV software/algorithms. If it is write once and port over easily it could happen in the next batch of Lumia’s. But it seems unlikely, an MWC launch looks more plausbile.

    • BellGo says:

      That is true.

    • dss says:

      But to “oversample” you need a pretty big number of pixels to work with, no ? Otherwise what is the point in oversampling two 1.4 micron pixels ?

  5. wes? says:

    Anyone has an idea how MS/Nokia are going to split up announcements between Sept 5th/6th and 25th?

  6. viipottaja says:

    Here’s to hoping but doubt it. Unless they announce now and release only just before Xmas OR they call something N8 type PV.

    • Vedhas Patkar says:

      12Mp for PV tech is small according to Damian Dinning.

      • viipottaja says:

        I agree and hope they don’t dilute the PV brand TOO much.

        • Vedhas Patkar says:

          In other words we can probably expect a >12MP camera when PV tech is integrated.

        • Just Visiting says:

          The HTC Titan and Titan II (8MP and 16MP camera’s respectively) wiped the floor with the Lumia’s with regards to photography. So, basically, what I want is for Nokia Lumia WP8 devices to be superior to HTC and Samsung in the imaging department.

          Given Nokia’s experience, I would think that Nokia wouldn’t need Pureview to surpass the other oems in imaging. They’ve got the experience to do a great imaging as shown in the N8; I’d like to see Nokia improve the sensors in the Lumia WP8 devices first, then implement a perfected Pureview experience for WP8.

          If Nokia releases a half baked Pureview experience in the first wave of Lumia WP8 devices (Q4 2012), and if HTC/Samsung, once again, wipes the floor with Nokia devices in imaging without Pureview, it’s just going to be very embarrassing for them and will garner no confidence in their ability to reign supreme in imaging.

          It seems that the firmware has improved the Lumia 900 (U.S. variant) photos, but many will still argue that the quality is no where near the the Titan II. Nokia needs to beat the others without using Pureview in their WP devices.

      • dss says:

        Of course its small.. you need 20+ for it to make sense. Which might work, if they cut the sensor from the 808 into 20 instead 40Mpix.. and do a little bit of oversampling..

        But that would require producing a new sensor, and I don’t know if Toshiba can react that quickly.. unless they stop producing the sensors for the 808, which will make the phone hard to find quite quickly.

  7. ms.nokia says:

    i’m hopeful now of a lumia pv.
    pv in lumia would destroy the wp competition,

    • Thomas F says:

      For Nokia i hope you are right, but i personally do not believe that WP will ever destroy anything other that Nokia and that is sad. I think that BellGo sums it up quit well above.

  8. Sonny says:

    Can someone tell me why cant nokia make another 808 body with 41mp cam but just use wp8 on it? Any hardware eeded for that pv to even if its the same as on the 808. I mean I would even still buy an nokia wp8 device in that 808 body.

    • dss says:

      From what I’ve gathered on the web, someone please correct me if I am wrong.

      Windows NT is not a real-time OS, and therefore its more difficult to implement, because the PureView PRO hardware system consists of several components that need a more modular OS to work properly/in sync.

      Also they need to re-write all the drivers for NT, the camera UI is written in QT, which is not supported on NT, so that needs to be re-written as well.

      This is all because non of the existing “off the shelf” hardware platforms (which is what you are stuck with when using NT) support the hardware needed for the PureView tech found on the 808. I think they are up to 20Mpix max, but that doesn’t even mean that they have enough computing power to do the required oversampling in PureView mode (video and photo)..

      I read somewhere that they can have some sort of primitive OS running under NT just for the camera, but that sees way too complicated.

      I personally think that the easiest way out at this point is to use the sensor/optics combo from the 808, but just go “old school” and cut the sensor in less pixels.. maybe 16 instead of 40, which would yield bigger physical pixels (probably around 2.5 – 3.0 microns) and that would give us amazing picture quality. No fancy zooming/overasampling.. but it will smash everything else on the market in terms of quality.

      I might be 100% wrong on this, so.. be advised.

      • krustylicious says:

        Nearly correct. Symbian is a real time os, what that does is allow important functions to run in real time instead of waiting for another function to complete and then run.

        Why is the above important to pureview pro (41mp) its this, there is currently no single gpu on the market that can go beyond 24mp. with pureview they use the broadcom gpu along with its own custom gpu and dsp to split the 41mpx into two streams and then process the information. Imagine taking a picture some of the picture was captured 0.001s or even 0.1s later. The picture would be garbage.

        wp8 is built on minwin kernal not winNT as such and its not a realtime os, not sure if its a low latency os (where things are done nearly in real time but done within a very short time -latency).

        Thats why in is current form, pureview pro can’t be done in wp8, android and ios.

        Meego harmatten was rumoured to be able to use pureview pro and that would be indicative of a low latency kernel.

        • Sonny says:

          Then Why the fuck do nokia go to WP even if they know that Pureview was 5 year in development?

          Looks like with Pureview they went 5 years ahead in technology but 5 years back just because they using WP now

          • dss says:

            The whole strategy switch didn’t (and still doesn’t) make much sense to me.. compared to the grand scheme of all this, the PV part of it is nothing really.

            Or at least in the way it was done.

          • Because Microsoft desperately wanted/wants a foothold in mobile. Mobile is where the future is and MS wants to maintain its monopoly and that means getting into mobile market any means necessary. If they can’t, MS is pretty much fucked. Nokia is just a tool to be sacrificed on behalf WP and MS. Nokia’s role is to give MS that foothold in mobile. Nokia itself is not important at all. Only WP matters.

            • dss says:

              That is how I see it. It will be amazing if this whole thing actually works for Nokia without a ownership transfer to Microsoft at the end.

        • dss says:

          Thank you :)

        • dss says:

          Oh.. I thought minwin was essentially NT..

          from minwin wiki page:

          “MinWin is not, in and of itself a kernel, but rather a set of components that includes both the Windows NT Executive and several other components that Russinovich has described”

          • krustylicious says:

            Dss i’ve not really looked into minwin properly withe its a subset of nt or a superset..

            • dss says:

              I am not sure either.. i’ve just read couple interviews with Mark Russinovich (seems like a cool dude)and whatever I’ve seen on wiki. But MS keeps saying that WP8 shares a lot with W8 on the kernel level, so I assumed WP8 is essentially NT, but both of them are in the minwin family.

              Either way, I am eager to see how they did in terms of power management with the new kernel, at least the old CE was somewhat oriented towards mobile phones, but this new one is kind of an adaptation from the desktop core..

      • dss says:

        And I guess the answer is that we need to wait for a SoC that can support the processing power needed for the full PureView pro tech, that way they don’t need to split the workload into two parts.. and therefore no need for a real time OS..

        • krustylicious says:

          exactly, if the os doesn’t have to co-ordinate multiple bits of silicon then you can use any old os – java included ..

      • Just Visiting says:

        @dss…’Pureview Pro’? Is this a new coined phase that 808 enthusiasts are calling it to try to distinquish the 41MP sensor to that of a smaller sensor with the technology, or is Nokia officially calling the Pureview technology ‘Pureview Pro’?

  9. Zhi says:

    I thought the 808′s version is called PureView Pro, so maybe just by saying PureView, he was hinting at a possible Lumia PV?

    • krustylicious says:

      Well the n82 was pureview 8mp
      n8 was pureview 12mp
      808 was pureview 41mp or pureview pro

      Lumina will get beteween 8mp and 20mp pureview.

      • dss says:

        If that was the case, they should have kept the 808 behind closed doors, because now everyone knows that they are making a compromise if its anything less than what we have on the 808.

  10. loser says:

    nokia it is all about pureview now. But iphone users still think iphone takes the best photos

  11. Cod3rror says:

    I’d really like it if Lumia got PureView, real PureView.

    It’d light a fire under Sony, Toshiba, Apple and Samsung to improve their cameras.

    Camera is a serious advantage in a mobile phone, none of the competitors can afford to neglect it.

    • deep space bar says:

      they already got bitch slapped by symbian using 41mp sensor….they must have been like….FFS SYMBIAN FTW

      • poiman says:

        Actually they said to themselvs: “Oh shit! What na amazing camera! Thank god the phone runs symbian, otherwise we would be f*cked…”

  12. Janne says:

    Considering that one point of software differentiation (and requests or contributions from Nokia for WP8), aside from location, has been the camera layer – I think it is quite possible a PureView product will appear in the initial launch. I doubt it will be “PureView Pro” like 808, but something a little more mainstream and lower specced, called just “PureView”, using similar software technology and maybe similar UI features you can see on the 808…

    • Tomi says:

      And that os supposed to the one to save Nokia… Not looking good at all!

      • Tomi says:

        To be the one

      • Janne says:

        Why not? A slimmer ~20 Mpix PureView might be a very compelling product, even camera-wise. There is perfect potential to be a lot better than the competition even in a more N8 size. The big 41 Mpix+ phones are likely niche devices because of their large size alone.

        Personally I’m of course looking forward to a PureView Pro camera (and think it will come next spring), but a compelling more mainstream PureView before that might sell really nicely.

        • deep space bar says:

          BECAUSE THEY HAVEN’T HAD THE TIME TO WORK ON IT

          • Janne says:

            I think it is likely Nokia has had enough time to work on a compelling camera differentiation for WP8. Will it come out with a PureView badge immediately on launch, maybe, maybe not. I doubt we’ll see a PureView Pro yet (that’s what 808 technology is called), but we might see a PureView without-Pro?

            • Sefriol says:

              I think Nokia will reveal a camera app that’s called “Pureview” which comes with every Lumia phone and it has every Nokia branded camera app features in it. Including “real Pureview” which can be used if your hardware supports it (Maybe 12Mpix camera required).

              • deep space bar says:

                PV lite

                • poiman says:

                  I preffer a “slim” 20MP PureView camera than a 40MP with the big bump. Just personal taste.

                • Janne says:

                  I think it will be just PureView, not lite-PureView. The current PureView is PureView Pro technology – I’m thinking they’ll have the 41+ Mpix Pro level and the non-Pro level beneath that. The latter will probably come first to Lumia.

            • Just Visiting says:

              @Janne…What is ‘pro’? Is this something you made up, or is this something Nokia has now created to describe their Pureview technology?

  13. Mark says:

    The camera on my 800 sucks so a PV WP8 would be nice.

    As the owner of a Nexus 7 running Jelly Bean, my view is that Android is really up to speed these days although WP7.5s UI shades it.

  14. pureviewfan says:

    time to change tiles ui! nokia, it may be unique to some wp fans, but it is getting old!

    • deep space bar says:

      LOL SUCKS FOR YOU BUDDY THat isn’t happening with microsoft and elop around…this is why i rather other smaller OS

      • poiman says:

        So, why are you still around? If you don’t want to play with the big boys and preffer a smaller OS for a niche market, go for it. We have already moved on here… Nokia isn’t a symbian/meego playground anymore.

        • Really? Symbian still outsold WP, so Nokia is very much dependent on Symbian still. Without all those Symbian sales during last 3 quarters Nokia would be dead already.

          But you can’t expect WP drones to have grasp of reality and common sense.

  15. JGrove303 says:

    Their has got to be PureView and Rich Recording on these upcoming Lumias. I’m sure the DSP and a 16-20MP sensor would have no problem fitting into the Lumia’s monocoque shell. The quality of the lense must be top notch and the apreture low, since Nokia doesn’t use BSI. They can’t afford to not implement a great camera because imaging is one of Nokia’s stand out traits that won’t get shared out to the other OEMs.

    HTC with their Titan II, of couse beat the 1st gen Lumias. It’s a friggin’ 16MP sensor. You would have to completely blow it on the drivers to make it work worse than the Lumia 710′s camera. Why the Lumias’ cameras weren’t sorted before launch is beyond me, but I’m glad they got fixed.

    • dss says:

      They would fit alright.. but to make them work with Windows is another story.

    • Luisito says:

      DSP + WP = still a no go, Or maybe it can go… Lately MS is pushing the Windows Phone Dev team; Well until Windows Phone implement a better DSP support, they will relly on the Data Bandwidth it can handled (PV has more to-do with a fast, really fast data transfer than pure raw CPU power)

      • toermel says:

        Where do you get your informations from? WP7 was based on Windows CE and there is no reason that you couldn’t write a driver for any DSP you desire. WP8 is based on Windows NT and please explain me where you see the limit there?

        An OS should not provide native support for everything. That’s what drivers are for…

        • Luisito says:

          opsss I did it again, well basically the limit over what can be donde in WP, is set by the maximun data bandwidth that the GPU can handled, yeah it need some proccessing power, but the real bottlened is the data bandwidth, they can implement the PV Pro on the GPU, but the thing will take its time for the final product (The picture), it would be one or two seconds, but for the running times were you want things instantly that isn’ acceptable, just notice that we’re talking about Gbits of info, just for taking a freaking picture and processing it in few micro seconds. That basically drive one of my “daily” questions: How will they make it work???… it will be insterestly.

          Of course you can writte a driver for a DSP, but can you add support for the whole platform to go on low latency or ultralow latency to perform this task??? you can, but it will cost an arm and a leg (so why cutting all your OS develop program??? for develop the OS of someone else???). An that bring me to the first sentence of your final phrase: “An OS should not provide native support for everything.” In short NOT it shouldn’t, but then it will be a problem in the future for Nokia, from now to forever Nokia must follow the path of what MS want to do with it’s OS, now they’re engaged and share a common task (“survive”), but how much time it will be???, what it MS wants to do A, but Nokia need B for technical reasons??? only future will tell, but I my felling (and the poor track of MS with their “premiun” parnerts) tell me someone will lose (and that won’t be MS)

          • toermel says:

            Sorry, but I think that you have a wrong image about what an OS is doing and how. But let me go step by step…

            The huge amounts of raw sensor-data is processed in the custom PureView-DSP and not in the GPU (well hopefully, because it would be much smarter and faster). Why should the GPU do that Job in WP7/8? The PureView-DSP is nothing but an external replacement of the internal DSP on any SoC which can handle CCD/CMOS sensors. Both are steered by the OS (which can be any OS). I don’t believe that Nokia did in a different way with Symbian (although it would explain why they got stuck so often).

            And what do you mean with low latency? Btw. WP7.5 is still Windows CE kernel which is an real-time OS. You are talking as if Symbian handles the huge amount of data and is something unique in the world of operating systems.

            And your concerns about MS wanting A and Nokia wanting B… With this kind of logic how do you explain how a Windows/Linux PC works? No matter if you use your PC as a media center, a server, for gaming, for CAD, for scientific purposes …you name it… it is always the same OS but it can be expanded with soft- and hardware. Does Lenovo, Dell, HP, Samsung etc. have a problem with not having a own OS?

            People are just repeating things like “OS xy is not capable to do this and that” but especially for PureView I haven’t seen any trusty source for this statement.

            • Luisito says:

              Your words make me think…
              on the One: How will be implemented PV on WP8, there has been said that Windows Phone has a poor support for Custom DSP (That’s the way how the actual PV works), so it will be needed to be performer over the GPU, but with a smaller sensor (less data, less bandwidth), That’s the way some (me include) PV Lite, Junior, Light whatever name it receive will be implemented. Just lets wait to Sept 5 to see, but I won’t hold my breath.

              On the second: How will affect if Nokia wants B and MS wants A, I was referring on the how innovative can be Nokia if it’s so dependant of what MS wants, just take note on when was the last time Hewlett-Packard make something innovative for the PC World???. Why do you think IBM go the route they take (which I’m starting to think, it’s the track Nokia is taking)???… How Much can you be innovative when you lose control over the path you must follow??? It can sound weird, but History has something to tell.

              Of course I won’t curse MS saying “hey MS is a freaking evil bitch”, becuase in first place they choose that position. And now they’re seeing with caution the lastest movements made by MS (Specially the Surface thing).

              Off topic: wasting my time over the web, I read that HP hire Alberto Torres ex-megoo boss to drive it’s new Mobility division, and that they create an ecsicion of WebOS to power the devices made under that division. Now do you see to what I’m referring in my second point???

              • toermel says:

                Ok, let me ask you a question: What would you as a customer buy? A device with its own operating system which is just supported by this vendor or one which is supported by many vendors? Differentiation in this case means that you, as the customer, have to either stick to your vendor/OS no matter how much better other devices might be or change your ecosystem and maybe loose everything you had in your old ecosystem. Not to mention that you have to learn a new concept every time if your desired vendor things he has to invent the wheel over again. I think this is one reason for the success of Android: You have the choice of different devices from different vendors. That’s competition we all profit from. Nokia has to build phones with better specs now. Underpowered flagships as the N97 are not possible any more if they don’t want to loose customers to Samsung or HTC.

                The only chance for a vendor who chooses to differentiate by its own OS is to grow as big as apple but this is highly unlikely (even for Nokia).

                • Luisito says:

                  Apple… Of course it will depend on the how good or bad would be that hipotetical new wheel…
                  At this point, the only thing I can say you is, lets wait to see how everything evolves. They says PV will be coming to Lumia early next year, but I’m more interestly in how wil it work on WP 8, and if it will outperform the 808, It must, if they realy wanna use it as halo device and a desirable tech, It would cost and arm and a leg, but the SGS3 is costly too, and still sold like hot cakes

            • dss says:

              If you read the white paper published by Nokia, you will see that the processing of the data coming from the camera is processed by both, the on board GPU, and the DSP.. the “companion chip” as they call it.

              • toermel says:

                The white paper is written in a very general way (I read it when PureView was announced). The point is that technically it wouldn’t make sense that a GPU and a DSP process parts of the same data. They simply do different things. A DSP is a device with a very limited type of operations it can perform but for what it does it can outperform the fastest CPU or GPU without breaking into sweat. A GPU is a different type of processing unit which has completly different advantages. It is far more flexible but can hardly outperform a DSP in its own field. Maybe the DSP reads the CMOS, does some certain part of the PureView magic and the reduced dataset is processed in the GPU (for example compression can be done on the CPU). Still, one could call them companions.

                Why should they process the same kind of data with the same operations on two different kinds of processing units? That makes no sense and I’m pretty sure that they work in series and not in parallel. Do you get my point? You wouldn’t move your household in a truck and since one was to small you would transport the remaining pieces with your bike, would you?

          • dss says:

            I don’t even think ultra low latency will do the trick…

      • dss says:

        Nah, there must be a DSP on every single WP out there..its part of the SoC (system on a chip)otherwise how are they handling the audio for voice/multimedia ?

        The problem is that the current DSP/GPUs that are built onto the SoC used by Microsoft are not powerful enough to support the technology.

        Symbian can, as pointed out by krustylicious, because it can coordinate two separate processing chips which help each other with the workload generated by the camera module. That is possible because Symbian is a real-time OS, Windows Nt/minwin or whatever kernel MS is using is monolithic/hybrid, and therefore it can’t do that.

        Overall from what i’ve read, EKA2 (Symbian) is a much better suited for mobile devices, as it was design as such from the beginning, but no one really cares about such trivial matters when we have the faith of whole “eco” systems on our hands.. or rather .. corporate wet dreams of such entities. Elop seems to be a HUGE fan of the idea for some strange reason…

  16. UStudio says:

    One ring to rule them all, or one os core. Me I think Win 8 is gonna dominate the market, I think ms is gonna sell all the surface tablets they made and its gonna be back ordered thru out the whole year, I think nokia will get it pure view out and it will be every bit as good as the 808, and later there will be a 909 meaning a pro x model that will surpass the 808, as far as win 8 goes being based on win 8′s core means that that there is virtually no limit to what can be done on win phone os. So yes you finally see the same games that you see on ios, and android, but you can also see some games and app that will come to wp8 that the other guy wont and maybe even can’t get. And hardware that’s impossible on ios and droid are already possible in win 8 cores environment, like say dual quad cores, the win 8 core supports up to 64 cores right now, and with gamer engines being supported, something like say the unreal game engine could come, who know what will be possible, the new stuff in win phone 8 hasn’t even been announced yet, just wait have patience, as far as the troll go ms and nokia gonna shut most of them up when they pull all this off, except of course the later type of troll the, oh yeah sure nokia pure view for win8 is the best on the planet but , I don’t like the shape of it, or the yes ms is out sell’s everyone else in the game but I still don’t like ballmer’s hair style, type of trolls.

    • Luisito says:

      Not so easy boy, not so easy… And one ring to rule them all, I have been listening this for ages (I’m getting old) and at some point, always fail, just to many devices, to many new ideas, just to many “people” to rule them effectivelly. Another point, Windows Phone 8 share tech with Windows 8, but not the real core (Kernel)

      • ustudio says:

        according to ms they have a shared core, of course they’re not ecactly the same neither is win rt and win 8, but they do have a shared core across all products were as win 7 was win ce, which was outdated 5 years ago. Theres no way to add components of win 8 to win ce that’s why you wont see most of those on win 7.8

  17. zymo says:

    Watch out for “PureView Light”.
    I highly doubt Nokia’s Marketing team won’t use the PureView brand for advertising the next Generation of Lumias.

    • dss says:

      of course they will.. the problem is that the “original” is out there and all those pureview lumias will be compared to it.. blogs, people,.. everywhere, so they better be careful with the wording.

  18. Tech says:

    Hmm thats same respon they are said to me last time ago when i asked about Nokia World on the next month :)

    btw after got Tango Update camera quality on Nokia Lumia 900 has incrased much better than before the update :D

    • ustudio says:

      wpcentral just did a photo contest using only the lumia 900 with tango and the results were impressive, the camera is definitely improved. People forget that Nokia when it come to wp is the new kid on the block, htc when they first made a wp and even a win mobile phone there camera sucked to but because htc has the jump on nokia there’s is better, however this will soon change.

  19. Antti says:

    I wish they would concentrate on imaging and sound, the two areas where Nokia took major steps back when switching to wp.
    Hell, my even my prehistoric 5800 xpress music was a portable boombox compared to all the smartphones today. And the camera on the Lumia 800 is garbage compared to anything with the same size sensor.

    • dss says:

      that sensor size in pretty much in all the smartphones that came out in 2011-2012. They all use 1.4 micron pixels.. some of them even smaller.

  20. steelicon says:

    I hope Elop won’t do a Jensen Huang a few weeks from now… Google “wood screw moment” :-p

  21. open_douche says:

    And I bough Xperia S half a year ago! FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

  22. Shyne says:

    Damien dinning said in that Windowsphone Dang interview that Future PureView devices with not have bumps in the back side – just fit inside the slimmer body ! maybe that means next Lumias have Some kind of Pure View integrated in it … hope so

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