Nokia Lumia 1020: Quick Hands On!

| July 23, 2013 | 144 Replies

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Hello MNB Readers!!!!

The day has finally come to where I could get my hands on a Lumia 1020!!! First thing first….I do NOT own the device YET….the kind people at AT&T let me spend about an hour with the phone.

Here are a few things I noticed:

  • The 1020 is SLIM and lightweight!!! Even more so than videos and pictures make it out to be. I was surprised.

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  • When taking a picture, it says “Saving” in the top left corner. It honestly doesn’t take much longer than saving a 38MP photo on the 808 and that is AMAZING considering that it is saving 2 photos at once!
  • Nokia Pro Camera is without a doubt the best camera interface that I have ever used. It did take a moment to find the Manual Focus as it appeared to not be clearly labeled but rather had an icon that I was unfamiliar with.
  • I could NOT find a way to quickly get photos off of the 1020 so that I can share them here. IE web defaults to mobile sites and I had issues trying to upload them to Hotmail and Gmail via the web.
  • I could not use NFC to tap and share to my 808..figures…BUT I was able to Bluetooth a few sample photos….in
  • 5MP resolution….I couldn’t get the 38MP photos off the phone. I know I know, it has been stated that you can only get them off via a computer…. I honestly found this to be a ridiculous limitation and a hassle in the future. I would like to manage my photos as I wish from my phone. I only had the option to Share via Messaging, ATT Locker, Bluetooth, Tap & Send(share?) and some other option but ALL of these except Locker would share the 5MP photo.

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About the 1020 Photos:

  • There is SOMETHING going on that causes visible noise in the photos. Is it a deal breaker? NO. Am I buying a 1020? Yes. Fact is, the 1020 is more versatile than the 808 when it comes to photos and in the right environments and the right settings, the 1020 will enable photos that the 808 cannot produce (manual focus, better low light, better image stabilization). With that said, if you point and shoot in automatic at the same scene….from my LIMITED testing….the 808 produces photos with less “grain”. I swear it looks like I can see every pixel in the 1020 photos…
  • The Auto Focus blows the 808 out of the water! I was able to focus faster and closer (without going into Macro Mode) on the 1020 than the 808 could ever dream of.
  • Colors seem a little off on the 1020, punchy, like Mr. Dining stated but NOT overly saturated.  This may change depending on the lighting and settings. Something was throwing off the White Balance on the 1020. All settings were on Auto for both devices.
Nokia 808 PureView

Nokia 808 PureView

 

Nokia Lumia 1020

Nokia Lumia 1020

 

  • Taking photos on the 1020 is so much more pleasurable than on the 808. Did I mention Pro Camera…oh that piece of software…amazing. It draws you in with all of the creative options.
  • I still noticed the same “graininess” in the 5MP oversampled photos. Honestly…it is kind of boggling…. BUT I checked some N82 photos and some N8 photos and the same TYPE of grain is present. I don’t remember my N8 photos looking so grainy. Seriously, there is the same type of pixel grain present. My only conclusion is that the Nokia 808 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO far ahead somehow in producing pure, low noise when over-sampling is applied that we have been spoiled. Now, the 808 ISN”T noisless, especially in full resolution but my gosh, the 808 produces pure images…smooth…very smooth details.

Look at the 1020 photo of the 808, there is noise around the camera lens. Check out the original photo here

Taken by Lumia 1020

Taken by Lumia 1020

 

Now, look at the 808 photo of the 1020 around the lens area. Original photo here.

Taken by Nokia 808 PureView

Taken by Nokia 808 PureView

Here is another photo from the 808 of the 1020. This is a 5MP photo fully zoomed in so there isn’t any Oversampling and you can now see some graininess/noise. Original here.

Taken by Nokia 808 PureView

Taken by Nokia 808 PureView

 

It honestly seems like the Oversampling on the 1020 is OFF (NOT that it is possible to do so). The 1020 photos appear to have similar noise to 808 photos that do not have any oversampling. I can’t explain it. Just take a look at the few 1020 photos on my flickr page. I could ONLY Bluetooth the 5MP photos so even if the 808 equivalent was 38MP, just compare them anyway as the 5MP oversampled photo on the 1020 SHOULD look better than the 38MP photo on the 1020. Now remember, these are photos in none ideal conditions and this is not an official camera comparison BUT simply initial impressions with a LIMITED hands on.

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That is all for now. I am EXTREMELY excited about getting a 1020 and taking it through the proper tests, learning how to use all of the settings and capturing new memories for years to come. There is versatility in the 1020′s camera setup that the 808 cannot match and a clarity and zoom factor in the 808 that currently the 1020 cannot match. With that said, I will be keeping my 808 after buying the 1020 and I look forward to many more comparisons. Please keep in mind that the 1020′s competition ISN’T the 808, it is the iPhones, Androids and Blackberries that occupy the same shelf space and battle for consumer dollars. Yes, the 808 is the benchmark that ALL camera phones will be judged by but I will tell you this, more jaws dropped when I pulled out my 808, not because of the stellar photos, but just because everyone in the store DID NOT KNOW that the 1020 was NOT the worlds first 41MP smartphone. The competition lies in the known and not the unknown and unsellable and with that, there isn’t a better smartphone camera to be had when you walk into a carrier at in the next few days and months. FINALLY DO NOT USE MY COMPARISON TO NEGATIVELY JUDGE THE 1020! Please wait for more professionally done photo comparisons.

As always, thank you for choosing MyNokiaBlog,

Deaconclgi

P.S. Good news, another AT&T store called me to let me know that they got their 1020 in and that if I can work out a schedule, I can “spend as much time with it as I want to” in the store. More photos and possibly some video to come over the next few days! Feel free to check out my Flickr page to download and analyze the photos as you would like. I apologize in advance for the unscientific comparison or any incorrect terms used in this article.

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  • art_vaider

    Pff…808 has full set of controls (sharpness , contrast , saturation , color intensity and more…) in creative mode !!!

  • Taras

    I emailed Elop today and this was his reply

    ““The oversampling in 1020 is much more advanced than in 808. In 1020, the oversampling is adaptive so that we prioritize the high amount of details in bright light, and we prioritize the low noise in low light.

    This means that in bright light our 5MP images have higher sharpness and bit higher noise than 808. On the other hand, in low light our images use similar low noise tech. that we have in 808. The background for this implementation is that the subjective image quality tends to be limited by sharpness in bright light and noise in low light.

    While we believe that this is exactly the right thing to do, I have also noticed that it has caused some confusion among the users. Naturally the parameters are fully tunable in future software updates if needed.””

    Hope this helps

    • MF

      Now this is definitely making a lot more sense. It is true that the 1020 images are a lot sharper compared to the 808.

      Note that the 1020 does not use normal, post-capture sharpening algorithms. The sharpening process happens during downsampling so in theory it has more data points to work with. In other words, instead of 7 pixels being combined to reduce noise, they are combined to enhance sharpness.

      I’m thinking the whole ruckus is because people expected the 1020 to behave exactly like the 808. When that is not the case, people automatically make their own (uninformed) assumptions – slightly smaller sensor, BSI, WP, etc etc.

    • Janne

      Makes sense.

      • twig

        I’m sure we will see camera updates as we have through the N9,800,900,808 and 920. That one for the 920 was quite amazing. Don’t worry,its Nokia.

  • Glass

    The 808 has smaller pixels, hence less noise. 1020 uses 1.12 µm pixels, 808 uses 1.4 µm.

    It’s unfortunate, but they presumably did it to make it thinner.

    • mirco

      No. Put in this simple way, your statement is wrong.

      It is true only for the case that you compare sensors of the same technology (i.e. of the same age). So, if you take the FSI sensor of the 808 and reduce the pixel size without changing anything else: yes, you most probably will get more noise. In the same way, if you increase the pixel size of the BSI sensor of the 1020: yes, you might get less noise. However, that doesn’t mean that the sensor of the 1020 produces more noise than the one of the 808 by definition.

      • Glass

        Right, but looking at the comparisons it does look like the 1020 produces more noise than the 808. If the 1020 used bigger pixels, it would produce less noise than it does now. The two may not be able to be directly compared on paper, but the finished result can be.

        I’m waiting to see more in-depth reviews and comparisons from the likes of dpreview, and I hope Nokia can keep pushing out software updates to improve it.

  • sbw44

    Why oh why cant you share the 38mp photos? is this a WP limitation or hardware? Plus how’s the Video and audio recording? Very good and usefull hands on the way Deacon!

    Now I only have to wait for this beast to come my country which is probably gonna be end of the year :(

    • Deaconclgi

      I honestly don’t know the reasoning behind the sharing limitation. I do know that it isn’t impossible to get the full resolution images off the device as you can get them off via a computer or via the AT&T Locker but I wonder what the explanation for limiting the sharing of the 34 and 38MP photos.

      I know that you can’t actually “select” a full resolution photo in the gallery as they all default to the 5MP photos but I even tried to share the full resolution photo when viewing the full resolution photo in the Nokia Pro Cam appliation and it still defaulted to 5MP. As it appears to be a software choice, I hope that the sharing options can be refined and expanded in the future.

      I only recorded one video on the 1020 when doing lossless zoom demonstration and I didn’t even play it back. The lossless zoom during video recording appeared to be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY better than the 808 since it has OIS and the stability of the video kept focus hunting to a minimum. It was really impressive.

      I will try my best to get to the store and see if the video can be bluetoothed to teh 808 and to take more videos. I don’t know if bluetoothing videos is possible on the 1020 but I will try. It may be tomorrow before I can get back to the store though.

      • Random Random

        Sharing the full size images have few serious issues.

        First, they are huge. It takes lots of time to move the date.

        Second, some of the receiving devices may not be able to show those because they can’t handle that big images.

        That’s why it wouldn’t be too smart to share that big images.

  • http://mynokiablog.com/2013/07/22/nokia-video-trimmer-on-nokia-lumia-1020-available-in-store/?fb_source=pubv1 jassp87

    im jealous! i want it so bad but my wallet wont allow me ahahah

    • Deaconclgi

      My wallet AND my wife are making me wait until August….at the earliest. :(

  • Janne

    OK, so that AT&T wall comparison – Lumia 1020 picture is clearly superior in detail. For example, look at the barcodes at the bottom.

    There is a little more noise on the Lumia 1020 picture as expected, but overall I’d say of these two pictures the Lumia 1020 is superior.

    • Janne

      I agree with the fact that the algorithm, obviously, of oversampling these images is clearly different. Completely different bias for both camera softwares. Lumia 1020 definitely has a more processed look about it, while 808 PureView looks hazy and out of focus.

    • Peter

      I have N808 and I’m little jealous on details from 1020. Those pictures are really sharp. But, be a little realistic. Look on Exif data from those two pictures. 1020 – ISO 160, 808 – ISO 100. Shutter speed was 1/60s in both cases. It simply show that N808 is more sensitive to light as 1020. Forget BSI sensor, size matters. 1020 has more light sensitive optics 2,2 against 2,4 on N808 this should be advantage for 1020 compensating sensor size. ISO should be similar on both pictures. But it isn’t! This is double fault for 1020. Inspite of better light sensitivity of optics 2,2 against 2,4 it has worse ISO.
      Picture from 808 is less sharper, but from my own experiences I know that sharpness of N808 is somewhere up to 80% of 38mpx. If you downsize full resolution from N808 to 30mpx or so you have 100% sharpness. 5mpx is nothing for N808 and is absolutely sharp if you are in focus and not moving. So this picture was fuzzed by moving or out of focus. 1/60 is already easy to move. 1020 had advantage of OIS in this low light condition.
      This interior low light foto was simply best case for 1020.
      I think further testing will show reality that N808 30% bigger sensor will make difference. I spent a lot of time comparing pictures on dpreview of different cameras and I found one surprising thing. That only one thing which matters in camera is sensor size. It doesn’t matter how big optics do you have in front or technology of sensor. You can make difference of few percents. Bur sensor size rules. That is why pictures from N808 with 7mm lens are fully comparable with pictures from DSLR with same sensor size but 3cm lenses.
      So result will be simple 1020 will have 70-80% quality of N808 pictures, this is clear. Still much better than other phones. But if somebody wants BEST phone camera, N808 is first choice.
      I have another flagship phone, Sony Xperia ZL with 13mpx camera, 1/3″ sensor. This is one of best on mobile market, but direct compare shows that it has only 20% of N808 quality pictures. It exactly corresponds to difference in sensor area size.

  • Ziko

    Guys 1020 uses “adaptive over-sampling”- different from 808′s over-sampling.
    Check Juha’s tweet..!

    • Janne

      That’s the great thing about learning more as opposed to making hasty, snap-judgements. :)

      • Deaconclgi

        I agree. :)

        • Janne

          Thank you for the great and balanced report, btw. Good stuff!

          • Deaconclgi

            You’re welcome and thank you.

      • Ziko

        Bit sarcasm doesnt mean i hate something. :)
        We all love Nokia and support good things. And thank you for this nice advice :)

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  • http://www.nurfahmy.com nurfahmy

    well, i’m still confused. Which one I have to buy, nokia 808 or nokia lumia 1020.? I consider sharp picture quality as well as original. I play deep in photograph. Please someone give me advice.

    • https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nokia808PureViewPhilippines/ steelicon

      @nurfahmy Nokia 808 PureView Pro will do for you nicely. Alternately you can choose Sony RX100, not the RX100 II, and an Android phone with LTE as an alternative.

      • Werner Ruotsalainen

        “@nurfahmy Nokia 808 PureView Pro will do for you nicely. Alternately you can choose Sony RX100, not the RX100 II, and an Android phone with LTE as an alternative.”

        Why not the RX100 II? Apart from the price (which is slated to be “only” some 100 $/e more expensive – now, the MK2 being new, it’s 200 euros more expensive here in Finland but it surely will be decreased) and the VERY slightly larger thickness, it’s definitely a step forward. It’s still genuinely pocketable.

        I can’t think of anything (apart from price) that would make it a considerably worse buy than the RX100.

        • https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nokia808PureViewPhilippines/ steelicon

          Sony RX100 is FSI, Sony RX100 II is BSI. Although there are some additional features on the more recent model, BSI reportedly has some issues with Image Quality (IQ). This is not the first time that FSI vs. BSI issue has cropped (no pun intended). ;)

          • Werner Ruotsalainen

            Yup, BSI has had some bad press but that was in small-sensor cameras only – the RX100 MkII is the first (comparatively) large sensor camera with a BSI sensor. Earlier attempts were all 1/2.3″ and the like, where you can’t have decent IQ, not even at base ISO.

            Looking thru the user (I especially recommend the RAW’s linked from the first post of http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3519517?page=1 ) and the currently available other (e.g. http://www.ralfs-foto-bude.de/kameratest/kamerahersteller/sony/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100ii ) reviews, I don’t think the MkII has lower IQ than the MkI. At high ISO, it even has some lead – albeit, it seems, not as much as Sony has promised.

          • mirco

            Reportedly? Who reports it where? Can you please provide some sources for your Claims. Yet, I haven’t heard any technical reason from people like you.

    • Werner Ruotsalainen

      Depends on how much money you have (the 808 can be had for particularly cheap second-hand – for example, here in Finland, they run for around 180-200 euros), what’s your OS preference etc.

      Based on what is known of the 1020 now, I think you can safely prefer it to the 808. The only (slight) disadvantages are:

      - lens problems on the edges only (can be easily fixed by cropping the affected 10% (in 16:9 mode) / 6% (in 4:3 mode) in PP)

      - slightly more noise

      - worse downsampling / binning algorithm (solution: always shoot full res and downsample on the desktop)

      - price

      - when also used as a phone, Symbian has call recording, which WP8 will never support.

      • http://www.nurfahmy.com nurfahmy

        I’m not concerned about the os or software used. I’m more concerned with the quality of the resulting image. So, do you think the best camera phone is still 808 guys?

        • https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nokia808PureViewPhilippines/ steelicon

          Yes. Nokia 808 PureView Pro is still the best cameraphone with full hardware/software oversampling, and it is not just a marketing gimmick, it truly delivers. It is the REAL PureView Pro without the bullsh|t.

          • mirco

            What do you gain from spreading such a BS? You don’t have any evidence for your Claims. Provide some sources for your FUD.

            At least your Avatar makes it obvoius that you are just trolling.

        • https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nokia808PureViewPhilippines/ steelicon

          Nokia 808 PureView:

          A bigger sensor at 1/1.2″ than L1020 at 2/3″

          Bigger pixel size at 1.4 micron than L1020 at 1.12 micron

          Gathers more light through FSI and a larger sensor and a larger pixel pitch; L1020 has BSI but a smaller sensor and smaller pixel pitch

          An ND filter; L1020 has no ND filter mentioned anywhere

          Full hardware and software superpixel oversampling which gives you natural colors and PURE PureView details which can be enhanced later through post processing or by sharpness + vivid + brightness + EV settings on board; L1020 uses “adaptive oversampling” which results in “punchier colors” albeit with unnatural, over enhanced edge processing with substantial loss in details. You cannot make up for what loss of information and details in the original image, however you can enhance a full detailed original image to YOUR liking, not to Nokia’s or Microsoft’s liking.

          Settings for sharpness, vivid, brightness; L1020 has no mention of such settings.

          Settings for digital stabilization in video; L1020 has no mention of such settings.

          Zoom is padded automatically for smoother effect; L1020 has “realtime” zoom found in “real” cameras that reflects every stutter and jerky zooming, unfortunately also in realtime.

          Settings for 360p and 12x zoom in video; L1020 has only 720p and 6x zoom MAXIMUM.

          Settings for 38MP, 34MP, 8MP, 5MP, 3MP, 2MP; L1020 has only either 34MP and/or 5MP. With the Nokia 808 PureView you can even tweak it to add 12MP. With L1020 you can only dream to tweak it – it has Windows Phone closed architecture system. No hacks, no tweaks. NONE.

          Stronger Xenon flash with 2 capacitors; L1020 has only 1 capacitor.

          External storage support with microSD, USB OTG (On The Go); L1020 has no expandable storage – you spend more airtime to transfer over the cloud with your 2G/3G/4G data plan. Of course you can MTP your L1020, so bring along your PC/Tablet/Laptop instead of a microSD or a USB flash drive.

          Nokia 808 PureView stands out aeshetically; L1020 looks just like any other Lumia in front. It looks like a L920 that is slapped with a 41MP sensor.

          • mirco

            You are really investing quite some effort to twist the facts

            “Gathers more light through FSI and a larger sensor and a larger pixel pitch; L1020 has BSI but a smaller sensor and smaller pixel pitch”

            And you forgot to mention that BSI sensors capture more light than FSI sensors.

            “An ND filter; L1020 has no ND filter mentioned anywhere”

            What does a ND filter? It reduces the amount of light. The 1020 can achieve this with a shutter speed as short as 1/16000s (how fast could the 808 go?)

            “Full hardware and software superpixel oversampling (…) L1020 uses “adaptive oversampling” which results in “punchier colors””

            Different terms for the same operation. Your “conclusions” are anyway just fud. The difference of color balance etc. are certainly not because of different oversampling techniques but because Nokia wanted it to be like that

            “Settings for sharpness, vivid, brightness; L1020 has no mention of such settings.”

            This is the only real drawback yet. However, post processing is your friend.

            “Settings for digital stabilization in video; L1020 has no mention of such settings.”

            You are getting ridiculous here. 1020 has a full OIS (but clearly you will find ways to sell this as a drawback).

            “Stronger Xenon flash with 2 capacitors; L1020 has only 1 capacitor.”
            How “strong” are those capacitors. Give us numbers.

            “Nokia 808 PureView stands out aeshetically”
            Obviously this is a matter of taste. But if you ask around, I am quite sure which phone will be liked more.

            However, you clearly ignore that the 1020 has OIS which gives you a much better chance to get a good shot at once. If you ever have used a dedicated camera with a good OIS you would know its value. OIS is not just good for extreme low light and video stabilization.

            • Werner Ruotsalainen

              “What does a ND filter? It reduces the amount of light. The 1020 can achieve this with a shutter speed as short as 1/16000s (how fast could the 808 go?)”

              Well, actually, the point in ND filters is the opposite: alowing for smoothing out (“waterfall effect”) in daylight – to allow for shooting at slow shutter speeds like 1s.

              I’ll post more info when I’m back on my desktop (just typing this on my iPad, leaving for putting the nets into the water).

              • mirco

                Well, certainly this is one use for a ND filter but do you really think that Nokia added it to the 808 (and other phones before) out of this reason? Sure they did not. Otherwise, they would have included manual shutter control?

                • orangpelupa

                  with manual shutter control, you still CANT get the photography that Werner explained.

                  you need ND filter

                  • mirco

                    Did I claim that one could do it?

                    I just said that the ND filter is in the 808 to reduce the amount of light in bright conditions, and that the 1020 deals with bright light by very short shutter speeds.

                    If you want to use a ND filter for artistic effects, you have to use external ones. However, this is not a deal breaker for 99,99% of the customers.

                    • Werner Ruotsalainen

                      “If you want to use a ND filter for artistic effects, you have to use external ones.”

                      Sure, but they’re prone to physical damage (scratches etc.) and are awkward.

                      “However, this is not a deal breaker for 99,99% of the customers.”

                      Neither are manual modes. However, they are great to have. No wonder there are tons of iOS apps that, by en/disabling high ISO on the iPhone 5 and by extending shutter time up to 1sec, let for making the otherwise VERY restricted (auto only) camera somewhat more flexible (but, of course, in no way as flexible as the 1020 with its full manual mode).

                    • mirco

                      “Sure, but they’re prone to physical damage (scratches etc.) and are awkward.”

                      Well, it is also quite akward to always carry a tripod together with your smartphone. However, it seems to be the case for many 808 users here (at least that is what I get from their comments) ;)

  • http://www.nurfahmy.com nurfahmy

    if only lumia 1020 comes in symbian os, maybe we won’t argue this anymore. Lumia comes with new things, but not all the advantages that exist in 808 built in 1020. Symbian has it own taste when capturing scene. Different from WP. My conclusion, lumia 1020 has a great precision detail when capturing image (zoom, detail, support with a better processor). But talk about ‘natural’, 808 is so much better. If you want to catch a really pure image, as photograph I prefer to use 808.

  • Deaconclgi

    I have the 808 and Symbian Belle FP2….I would not want the 1020 to come with Symbian.

    I am glad the 1020 is not a Symbian device because I would like to have a better web browser and better game compatibility and a brighter future than what Symbian currently offers. Symbian is GREAT for what it does but there are areas and levels of sacrificing that I don’t want to deal with anymore.

    For me the biggest deal breaker is the Web Browser and since it isn’t getting updated, it isn’t compatible with some web standards. I use my bank a lot through the browser. Sure, there ISN’T a banking app for my bank but I don’t care about that. When it becomes a chore to use the web browser, Opera included, it is time for a change. I have been utterly frustrated due to the length of time that it takes just to see my balance that I often find myself texting or calling my wife asking her if she can check in on her 920.

    I honestly wish Nokia would have completely overhauled the Symbian Browser. I don’t understand what happened there.

    • https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nokia808PureViewPhilippines/ steelicon

      @Deaconclgi : You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.

      Just imagine what an SMP enabled Symbian Belle FP3 (codename Donna) could do on this modern hardware. As for Symbian browser, I agree that they should work that out from scratch, meanwhile we can use Opera.

      There’s just a lot of features sacrificed from Symbian to WP that it is hard to ignore, and harder yet still to ignore the possibilities of the benefit of modern hardware support to Symbian. :-)

      • mirco

        You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion was well, but, as an old N8 user, I have to disagree with your opinion ;) Opera was of no help at all for me and the browsing experience still sucked.
        The problem with Symbian was that it packed many features which were not needed by the vast majority of people but ignored features that were needed. A good browser, a better store, better native email client, better keyboard and so on. This are very basic features of smartphones and while some got improved over time many issues were never solved. Another example are bugs like the WiFi bug on the N8 which was never really solved in time. I also had an issue that the automatic backup function of the N8 screwed up the arrangement of widgets on my home screens. Those flaws were hard to ignore for many people and no HDMI output, no independent volume control, no USB-OTG could have made them accepting those problems.

  • cassi

    I have had this phone for about 2 weeks. I like the phone but have had multiple problems. Already had it replaced once. Last night I videoed a rare performance of a friends band. The video LOOKS great..but there is no sound!?!! Ugh!

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