Nokia N8 (C) wins the blind shootout, confidently beats the Sony HX5 and smashes Samsung Pixon 12 (via GSM ARENA)
Results are in from the shootout. The much favoured C (which many assumed to be the Sony HX5 digital camera) turned out to be the Nokia N8 (though others deduced it was N8 due to other factors). It was a clear first place for the Nokia N8 scoring 161 FIRST place votes compared to 32 and 24 for Sony and Samsung respectively.
The Sony camera took second place whilst the 3rd place CLEARLY was awarded to the Samsung Pixon 12.
This is QUITE startling given that dear ELDAR has compared the N8 against the Pixon 12 and Wave and somehow his shots make the Pixon 12 or Wave win pretty much time and time again. His comparison was supposed to make Symbian fans Cry more (according to his preview tweet). I didn’t bother posting anything on it – GSM Arena has done the job quite adequately.
VIA GSM ARENA
Though looking at Eldar’s downright utterly negative review it is IMPOSSIBLE to see how he does not have a vendetta against “the company”. I wasn’t going to write this, but I read one amusing piece of CRAP after another, I fell for the bait.
“Unfortunately, there is no LED flash there. “
Oh dang. I can’t match iPhone 4′s LED. Oh wait, what’s that XENON bulb doing there? Darn you making photos better than LED. It’s so unfortunate. Now how are we going to upload blurry dark nights out when the Xenon flash keeps lighting up and freezing the action? Tsk, tsk Nokia.
“The camera doesn’t have Smile Detection, which would be quite logical once the regular face recognition algorithm is present.”
I have smile detection on my Samsung camera. It’s utter BULLSHIT. It’s a neat little gimmick but for general photo taking just face recognition is perfect enough.
“Unfortunately, Nokia has never had adequate camera software developers; the company hasn’t devoted much attention to cameras and has always lagged behind the competition.”
“Unfortunately, designing cameras has never been a priority for Nokia and the company is reaping the fruits of its efforts these days.”
Poor Nokia. Poor Nokia winning the TIPA Imaging awards time and time again. Poor N95, N82, N86 – damn these camera centric devices which have never been a prioirity for Nokia.
“Digital zoom is restricted to x2 because the picture gets noisy at the higher levels and Nokia is not able to handle that”
If we wanted, we could have 16x shitty zoom. 3x for video 2x for pictures. FRANKLY for images I would NEVER want to use DIGITAL zoom. However magical that zoom is. For video however we have seen that the N8′s performance is fantastic, pulling up detail out of no where. Why always so bloody negative? And lets do that test NOT with text huh?
Digital zoom was limited to the point where there is no obvious quality degradation. I’d be happy to see no loss in quality at 4X.
“For regular customers, the Nokia N8 is not significantly better than the Apple iPhone 4.”
I beg to differ.
“I hope that my samples are obvious enough to prove that the camera in Nokia N8 offers nothing extraordinary despite the soundbite from Nokia, its marketing and PR departments.”
NO. Not your Samples, not at all. Unless GSM Arena are now marketing and PR departments. I think it’s extraordinary that a phone can be beating dedicated digital cameras. Oh, and where does your beloved pixon come? Oh, yes, let’s see. LAST. 3rd behind the Sony (in second) and Nokia N8 at first.
“Pictures cannot lie and reveal the truth”
Yes they bloody can. If I smear shit on the camera and all your pictures come out shit then the camera is lying. If camera magically over saturates photos yes they can. If I add warping filters, yes they can lie. If I don’t focus properly then the images are lying. If I move suddenly then the images are lying. If I use digital zoom and pass that off as not using it then the pictures are lying. If I take pictures in different lighting settings then the end result could be lying (if I make users think both were in identical test criteria).
The one that lies the least is the Nokia N8 as it does the LEAST post processing.
“There are software issues, which will not be solved by Nokia, because of involved expenses”
It is so easy to add a simple saturation filter that would make N8 photos appear like your cartoonized melody produced by iPhone 4. (If “vivid” option isn’t already enough for you)
“It is decent and offers above average quality, but is not a top photo solution, which could leave rivals gasping. Such old models as Samsung PIXON12 and Sony Ericsson Satio provide better quality. The difference is easily detected”
Reviews by MobileBurn and IntoMobile have called the N8 the best camera phone ever. That seems to be top right now?
The difference IS easily detected. With the N8 producing the better photos.
From GSM ARENA,
“if you’ve read our Satio vs. Pixon12 shootout, you’d know that the Pixon12 is at least as good as or even better shooter than the Satio.”
Sooo if Pixon12>Satio and N8>Pixon 12 then N8>Satio? Oh my what a shock. From these results also Sony HX5>Pixon12, similarly N8>HX5, thus N8>Pixon 12. How many permutations do we need to show N8>Pixon 12? At least based on GSM Arena’s obviously Nokia funded results and all those hundreds of consumers out there producing stunning photos with their obviously fake Nokia N8s.
N8>Sony HX5>Pixon12>Satio. I don’t speak Russian but I’m guessing coming first means being top.
“Taking into account the fact that this camera costs around €70 you pay an inflated price”
WTF? It cost that much to physically build? What about R&D? What about the things AROUND the camera? What about the other features of the phone? How much did the camera in the iPhone 4 cost? How much is that unlocked? 799GBP?
I’d go on but there’s pool and karaoke at the pub ^_^ “wooooah sweet child of miiiiine” :p. haha
Read this closed thread on mobile review.
Nice, just utterly nice. Once again proving the quality of the N8′s camera and the effort put in by Damian and his team.
And of course, nice piece Jay. Man, this blog is getting better by the day. If it were to become a little better in some ways (site technically speaking) this would be one of, if not the best Nokia blog.
I know Engadget and Gizmodo will try to ignore this.
I thoroughly enjoyed the second part of your post. Eldar is quickly losing credibility.
Eldar is stupid and brave enough to show the world how low his IQ is!
Or may be he’s secretly working for Engadget/Gizmodo/Apple/Google and he’s trying to convince people into not buying the N8. But we all have seen the wonders of N8, they’re undeniable.
I think that Eldar works for Samsung and Engadget/Gizmodo for Apple. But you are right that Eldar comments doesn’t make any sense. First when N8 is published he says that there is bad software but very good camera and now he says that all is bad. I never trust Eldar comments. He works for samsung and try to blackmail to Nokia. This is my opinion.
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Isn’t it time we all just ignored Eldar? How’s he different from any of the haters anywhere? Who cares what he says, and who cares who believes him?
The positive reviews and results speak for themselves. If people want to believe Eldar then they will not get an N8 and miss out. Fine. Who cares?
It was based on Eldar’s scathing review of the proto N8 that the hoards of blogs jumped on his post. Just look how everyone made a whole entire post about his single tweet on N9 which a few months ago he noted that he wanted to see how much he could decrease Nokia stock price with his preview. No vendetta there huh?
It’s not so much individuals that believe Eldar, it is the large blogs that go on to spread his words. For me, his opinion does not influence me – I’m more concerned about how he can influence the people of influence.
I am happy that I was wrong though deep down I knew the N8 had taken the better photo.
About Eldar, I had never actually heard of him until the whole he talked about the N8. But it seems the his purpose is the same as Engadget’s and Gizmodo which is to leak products which I don’t really mind but thats it because their reviews are really bias.
Eldar is just a biased punk just like those guys at engadget. Am anxiously waiting for nice camera review from the guys at engadget. Lets see what they will rig the tests with this time.
I cannot believe that a tech site like engadget can be so blatantly dishonest.
Notice that in his final thought he is clawing back. Hahaha.
Nokia N8 will be the best Symbian smartphone on the market until the middle of 2011;
Nokia N8 is the fastest smartphone from Nokia;
Nokia N8 is the most stable smartphone from Nokia;
Nokia N8 has a camera of average quality or slightly better than that, but the best one can get from Nokia;
Nokia N8 is the only device with a full metal unibody and no build quality issues;
Nokia N8 is the least expensive Nokia flagship ever.
The guy is not only lacking a backbone, but is outright lying. I am very happy GSM Arena settled this.
His reviews aren’t bias free of course, but I do like his market analysis every now and then and how he works them into his reviews. Review wise he’s bad at it, but that market side of it I like.
The owners of engadget an gizmodo are the sisters of steve jobs.. lol
“I would NEVER want to use DIGITAL zoom. However magical that zoom is. For video however we have seen that the N8′s performance is fantastic, pulling up detail out of no where. Why always so bloody negative? And lets do that test NOT with text huh?
Digital zoom was limited to the point where there is no obvious quality degradation. I’d be happy to see no loss in quality at 4X.”
Considering that the N8 does have a huge sensor and 12 MP resolution, could it be possible to have greater zoom for the camera. Looking at the cropped photos, they’re really good with minimal zoom. Digital zoom does help to firstly show off, and secondly, make sure you get what you wanted in the picture. I wish it had at least 4x zoom because the iPhone 4 has 5x and I hate to see them being able to boast about something to do with the camera (even though they’re actually degrading the quality of the picture). My friend’s Xperia X10 has 16x zoom which I found fun and interesting to play with. No matter how much quality is reduced, in my opinion the more digital zoom the better, not as an actual proper feature, but as a toy. I think the N8 could still produced good pictures even if the zoom was 12x giving 1 MP(?) pictures. When could take it further and have 40x zoom giving VGA (?) pictures.
N8 would be bulky if it had Optical zoom now.
i suppose they could have…. but Nokia is going for quality and like they said (for video) @3X they started to notice degradation so they decided to stop there and i agree with them.
for photos i dont see why digital zoom is even an option
N8 zoom is no different to optical zoom at all. This has been discussed elsewhere before and if you think about is correct.
Eldar the Liar. There’s really nothing else to say of that pathetic waste of space and matter.
Check this out for more on Eldars article:
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=90980
Georg, most of us even don’t bother knowing what crap this liar is making from his shitty mouth. Please don’t bother us and send the link to somewhere else people may care.
You know this is NOT the place to troll. So far I have been trying to be nice to you. You know what I mean.
if u went to his link, its actually a topic in mobile-reviews forum where people are flaming Eldar for his “review”
Georg isn’t trolling but he provided a link to a Troll over on mobilereview
OK, I hope so. I would like to hear his own version. If I am wrong, I am ready to apologize.
What the hell are you talking about? Trolling? You’ve tried to be nice to me? Who are you anyway?
As for my link, it’s a post by myself, read it or leave it.
SpEaker test please
Music quality test please
i only want to know one thing, is it going to have a symbian upgrade path – ie. will i get S^4 when it comes out next year on an n8 if i bought it.. why will they not dispell or confirm this?
i’m sure if you were going to get a new OS 6 months down the line, they’d use that as a selling point? Unless they will wait until S^4 is released and then bring an N8-02 into play.
If anyone knows anything regarding this, please speak up!
I seriously hope Nokia reads this!! great piece jay!
Ah Jay. I do love your rants lol. Well said my friend
“How much did the camera in the iPhone 4 cost?”
iphone4 lens: made by Genius Electronics Optical from Taiwan
so i guess, maybe about 2 dollars at max?
only stevie knows..
Thank you very much for this – both funny and enlightening
PS Consider expanding your karaoke repertoire with Neil Diamond’s “Sweet Caroline”…just a suggestion
Yesterday I correctly guessed that the C image is the one from the N8.I did this not by observing the colour chart above but by observing the photo in which all the 3 different cropped images from the devices were stuck besides each other and I found out that the 3rd image was the most sharpest and most natural looking among all of them.Credit goes to Nokia for making such an advanced cameraphone which can beat dedicated digital cameras.
We are proud of Nokia!
Oops.I meant the “sharpest” and not the “most sharpest”.
[...] GSM Arena has already performed a shootout (blind one in fact in an attempt to reduce bias) of the N…. Which as we know, comfortably won, beating out even the dedicated digital camera, the Sony HX5. They said that they didn’t bother with the Sony Ericsson Satio for two reasons – first the Pixon in previous sets has already beaten the Sony Ericsson Satio and secondly, the lack of wide angle in the Satio would make it more obvious. [...]
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Engadget will tell you, that this is completely biased and show their own pictures, that they took by shaking 808.