Android Apps for MeeGo Nokia N9 with Myriad’s Alien Dalvik
In February, Myriad showed a demo of the Nokia N900 running Android apps with Alien Dalvik. Today, SlashGear reports that this will also be possible for MeeGo.
Supporting the Android Ecosystem is probably not Nokia’s intention what with Elop and Nokia’s Number 1 priority being to beat Android.
However, for those who did fear that there may be a lack of apps for MeeGo, well then this is one solution.
Running Android apps when you’re OS is not Android is how RIM intends to beef up their 500,000 1Q shipping playbook, that’s good for them as their BB World store doesn’t really have all that much content and in no way looks to be picking up any time soon.
Nokia however has Qt, and growing number of Qt apps have already been developed for Symbian^3 which shouldn’t take too much effort possibly to recompile for MeeGo Qt. I mean that was the whole purpose of Qt – code once, distribute everywhere. Nokia has invested in developer version of the N9 (N950) not just to improve the platform but also get some apps in development.
Chris notes availability for Dalvik some time this year for MeeGo, but no specific dates yet.
SOURCE: SlashGear
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So now there really is no reason to go for the WP7 phone instead of the N9
lol, true but ill hold off on getting an N9 till I see this baby in action
but If not I’d prbly get either a new iphone 5 when it comes out (gasp i knwo I’m a traitor but WP7 isnt my thing) or the equivalent of SGS2 in a while
One thing could be that you would have to resort to sideloading apps. Something the mainstream user isn’t accustomed to doing and couldn’t trust doing as well.
Alien Dalvik is good for the more geeky type user though and would give more life to the N9 than it first appeared to have in terms of apps.
I really dont care for apps that much..what i’m worried about is ongoing support for the OS and Nokia have not been forthcoming with information. Have you seen/read anything Jay?
“Although the words Windows Phone is still Nokia’s primary smartphone platform promises to customers who purchase N9 can expect updates to the system in future and not be left in the lurch.”
http://translate.google.se/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobil.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvi-har-kant-pa-nokia-n9-1.474950.html
I wouldn’t believe this. Remember, Nokia only sees MeeGo as an experimental OS to help them find the next disruption. People shouldn’t act like this is a platform that will come to the forefront of Nokia’s roadmap or the smartphone world as a whole. This is nothing more than an experiment. End of story. People need to choose wisely whether or not to get these devices. There is GREAT possibility that you’ll be stuck w/ what you get when it comes to MeeGo!
It’s an interview with Nokia Swedens information manager.
I’m sure he knows more than you.
Yeah they knew more than us when they promised Anna early 2011 as well
Maybe, but how many times have we’ve been promised updates in the past and all we’ve gotten was delay after delay.
More importantly, Nokia considers MeeGo an experimental platform only. With this in mind, do you really think updates will be constant and steady?
And Nokia has not told to public that N9 and N950 does not run MeeGo but Harmattan what is renamed Maemo 6.0.
Harmattan is partially incompatible with MeeGo and quoting a leading Nokia Harmattan developer: “Harmattan != MeeGo”. Harmattan has same Qt, but thats it. No package or binary compability. Partial source compability.
So in bad choice would be to take Harmattan phone and not a real MeeGo phone, what might come from ZTE first.
But MeeGo is also being updated and developed by the MeeGo community. So many updates can come straight from there when Nokia just implement them into their version of Meego.
Terrible solution to the apps problem.
Frankensteining apps from a different eco-system is not a solution to the lack of applications.
No, well could you please elaborate how the f*ck you let other platforms evolve with no apps at first!?
Why did people start to develop for just any platform at the beginning?
Ever heard of “Write Once, Run Anywhere”? Java was the first mobile “ecosystem” and it was OS agnostic.
But perhaps there are people who don’t understand the difference between Linux, Java, Android and ecosystem.
For those people, shiny performant pixels should suffice, encapsulation not withstanding.
Yeah, but there’s no point in having a “mobile ‘ecosystem’” if this so called ecosystem is awful and looks like a duck.
A duck can walk, but walks clumsily.
A duck can fly, but it can’t fly well.
A duck can swim, but swims very weirdly.
A duck can basically do anything, but it does everything poorly. This is not the platform agnostic ecosystem anyone would want.
Qt is different: it runs greatly, it is native, it has basically the same performance as apps created in Symbian C++, and can be deployed to several platforms including Windows (not phone) and supposedly Mac too.
Android is a VM running on a gutted Linux. MeeGo is Linux. Run a VM on MeeGo, and you’ve got Linux running a VM, like with Android. Nothing Frankensteinish here.
I agree. People seem to think that just because you CAN run Android apps on MeeGo, then all app problems are solved. This is not even remotely true. Someone still has to convert/port Android apk files so they work on MeeGo. Alien Dalvik makes this easier, but just because the possibility is there doesn’t mean ALL apps will get this treatment. Unless developers decide to do this, you are left having to wait for an app you may want or to do this yourself.
There’s no need to port anything. Android apps run in virtual environment, Dalvik. Alien Dalvik enables that same virtual environment to run inside MeeGo.
But the Android apk files still need to be repackaged. Who’s going to do this? Either developers will, or you’ll have to do it yourself. Or wait for someone else to do it for you. Same problem as I stated above.
You don’t get it do you? That is one thing that Myriads Software does. It reads those packages. As they are. Otherwise there would be no benefit.
The big thing to be integrated thouth is a marketapp or webpage for outsiders like N9 owners.
Otherwise they would have to rip stuff off…
Actually I do! You are still going to have to get these apk files from somewhere. Unless there is a place to grab them, you’re gonna have to wait. The system is still disjointed, hence the original poster’s Frankenstein comment. It’s great that you’ll have the ability to use Android apps, but it’s still a round about way. There is yet discussion to be had about licensing and developer’s permission. You just can’t take a devs app and “port” it over to MeeGo.
Obviously you don’t know what you are talking about now. There’s NO porting needed, you just get those apk files, which can be freely and legally downloaded from many sites, and then install and run them in the VM. No “port over”, no “repackage”, no “convert/port”, you just install and run those apps directly. The “licensing and developer’s permission” is a non-issue, you just get install the apps in the VM the same way like you install them in a real Android device, and you can only legally use the apps that you have a license of, else you are a pirate despite whether you use it in a VM or a real Android device. It’s simple like that, just like when you use VMs such as VirtualBox to install and run Windows apps on top of a Linux system.
Hey Jay, cant you block this motherfuckers IP-address or something? I’m seriously getting tired of him….
Then we’d have to block people like Ninja as well, bad precedent to set, sorry
Yeah, he can be a real pain sometimes, but much of what he says have some painful truth to it. His comment above which you responded to is pretty true.
To be honest I’d rather have 1000 quality apps made with Qt than the 400 000 apps from Android Market where you have to use loads of time to find anything decent.
As someone said when he was trying to find apps in the Market he would always find 100+n shitty apps related to the search + some american bible shit
that had nothing to do with the search. And then he would have to figure out which one to install. Doesn’t seem like fun.
At least with N9 you don’t have to download any facebook app, twitter app, rss app, IM app. All integrated beautifully to the system.
I agree about the Android app market. Having to sift through hundreds of pointless apps is annoying. Also, facebook and twitter need to be downloaded because they are OFFICIAL apps from those Social Networking sites. Once downloaded, they are integrated pretty well into the system. There is also a very good native RSS app on Android.
Also, I wasn’t aware that anyone had experience w/ MeeGo. You’re saying that it works better than how it did on Symbian? Until we actually know how well the Social Networking is on Meego, I wouldn’t brag about it quite yet.
Please release this before N9 starts to sell!!
As long as there are
cutetube
faircrack
mobile hotspot
youku, chine version of youtube
im plugins for messaging
sociality
drnoksnes
pyradio
flash Full latest version
skype video calling and sms
ecosystem is overated
Insta-buying the n9 if this pans out and they do run at native speed like myriad claims.
Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.
Join the MeeGo-revolution TODAY, not tomorrow, not next week, TODAY.
Show your support, pre-order those sexy phones, you know you want it
Two things that came to mind.
1.
Myriad hasn’t released this yet in wild have they?
It is interesting to see whether they release it as an app that can be downloaded by everyone, or do they sell it only through partners that install it on device before shipped , e.g. operators or Nokia.
If I remember right their idea was to do it through big partners.
I hope that few operators would install it by default and that it would be available also for everyone else.
2.
“Supporting the Android Ecosystem is probably not Nokia’s intention what with Elop and Nokia’s Number 1 priority being to beat Android.”
Yes, but since their 3rd ecosystem target is WP, this wouldn’t compete straight with that. The only way that adding this would compete with WP is that this could increase MeeGo sales a bit. Nokia might not mind that too much, and of course they still would sell WP in large volume compared to MeeGo.
This could however damage the QT ecosystem a bit since there wouldn’t be that big of a need to make a QT version.
But if this isn’t on all phone by default, maybe just on phones sold by some operators, there still would be reason to make a native QT version and due to added sales there would be a larger QT device base.
If Nokia adds Alien Dalvik to all N9s it’s still not a big threat to WP. More likely is that some operators add it and this way even MS can’t complain to Nokia about it.
Operators, please take N9 and if possible add alien dalvik.
Well, if I can run some Android apps then there are one or two N9′s in my future.
My wife needs to run some medical applications, they are available for iOS and Android. The N9 could fit the bill, Win Phones are not even in the running.
However, Nokia needs to deliver fast. I can wait a few weeks, but end of 2011 for the N9 will be too late.
Nokia, your chance to keep a few long term customers. If not, then Samsung. Elop, let me know…
cool
Accordingly to a news article the N9 will be available at my operator – at least 3 to 4 of the most important operators in my country will definetly offer the N9.
If Myriad adds “Alien Dalvik” to that package the N9 will presumably a success in terms of sales figures. Nokia will have to rethink their decision to dump Meego.
So there is a good chance that Whatsapp is coming to MeeGo ?
Yeah this is the issue for me too. Will wait and see I guess.
Live Profile is currently developing for symbian/maemo in QT anyway so that will be a good alternative. A lot of people are using that instead of whatsapp now anyway (supposedly it’s better)
but the problem is: Nokia (Elop) doesn’t want to push meego…
Nokia must release N9 faster,even september still too late.end of 2011 or early 2012 is just soo late coz it’s dual cores era and most ppl won’t buy pricey phone with just single core,some ppl think that dual core are really needed and single core are useles.
Hiii….
Why they are abadoning meego i mean till now they have not responded abt this if there is something cooking inside nokia..
wow Nokia got rid of the meego crew so they are stuck with this…instead they have to deal with this
most new android apps wont run on the n9 due to it being 2 years old hardware inside.
if nokia had the balls to use the u8500/mali cpu/gpu combo in the n9 – it would have been immense – but elop can’t have the n9 outselling the mango phones in the 4th quarter.
I’m curious as to what apps that you are talking about that requires dual cores on androids. With Samsung/htc/sony/lg still releasing single core androids just the last few months too.
simple apps will run ok, but anything graphically intensive i.e. emulators, games etc won’t run.
also nvidia is releasing a quad core processor this year for a reason – there must be something brewing…..
So, you really believe the graphically intense programs are running well because of dual core? That is not true. It is the GPU that handles graphics and not the cpu.
It seems like they have you hooked on their marketing and blogger misinformation.
A single cpu with a strong gpu is better than a dual cpu with a weak gpu when discussing graphics. GPU = Graphics Processing Unit and that is the main factor when it comes to graphics.
For example: The Symbian^3 platform with a 680mhz cpu+Broadcom GPU combo is more powerful than the 1ghz+snapdragon cpu+adreno200 gpu. The broadcom gpu is more powerful than the adreno and no matter how fast the cpu is or how many of them, the bcm gpu still beats the adreno and gives better graphical performance.
To recap, anything graphically intense will run well on a great gpu. The SGX530 may be dated as far as time, but it is still a powerful gpu and can handle games and emulators easily.
Oh and about nvida (my fav gpu vendor), it is the new, more powerful gpus in those quad core chips that wow us, NOT the cpus. Quad core, just as dual core, benefits cpu intensive processes. Graphics are gpu intensive processes and will only be as good as the included gpu.
There is an app that tricks nvida tegra2 games on android into running on non tegra2 devices. The reason the dual core games run on single core devices after bypassing the tegra cpu check is that the games themselves run on the gpu and if your phones gpu is similar and as powerful as the gpu in tegra2, you can run the games.
It is the same gpu and cpu battle that has been going on since last century in the pc industry, just now it is mobilized. The battle of gpus started when we realized that software rendering was not enough and taxed the cpu and came up with hardware rendering, that is, the gpu.
We want Nokia to keep MeeGo
http://twitition.com/3c3ah
just saw this… please do vote, i don’t know but maybe this can affect nokia just give it a try and share to others…
Any chance they’ll have this emulator ready for symbian?
I’m not sure this is much of a solution to the ‘lack of apps’ problem.
Crucially, you still wouldn’t have access to the Android Market.
I really feel that Elop has one more trick up his sleeve to undercut the N9. I have no idea why the board at Nokia went along with this. They were in panic mode.
I am sorry but windows phones suck I have only known one person to use them personally. At first I said well if nokia puts out a great phone I will give windows 7 a shot, but ummm no. It looks horrid, and I don’t see how its different.
Viva La Meego
please sign, nokia already has the link to the petition, we must make our voices to be heard, please, it will just take less than a minute for you to sign, and it can help a lot
http://www.change.org/petitions/nokia-please-help-all-of-us-your-nokia-n9-fan-users-to-get-myriad-alien-dalvik