Nokia already Working on Lumia 800 update!
From all the recent Lumia 800 reviews that were published in the past week one ‘Flaw’ that was consistent between different bloggers opinions was the failure of Nokia to include 3G tethering as well as NFC into their beautiful brainchild. Nokia has already gone on record sayingthat they are Already working on an update that will bring tethering to their WP devices, and that the delay was due to FCC regulations in the USofA:
“Microsoft takes very seriously meeting (and exceeding) the requirements outlined by agencies such as the FCC in the USA. They felt it was really important to fully address the concerns raised by recent FCC regulations before enabling this feature and are optimistic they can deliver on these requirements though a software update and are working diligently on that now.”
As for the lack of NFC it’s basically because WP does NOT support it in the first place . Nokia apparently held back on NFC (possibly Frontal Camera as well) as ‘not to overload the device with useless items that would drive up the price’.
“Our ambition is to create the best possible consumer experience, based on the capabilities of the platform and what we believe offers a genuine opportunity to bring value to Nokia users everyday. It is possible to cram a phone with features that users don’t want or use and the end result is a compromise somewhere else, in cost, size or absence of alternative features. For features not currently supported by Windows Phone such as NFC or dual SIM we are working with our partner Microsoft to determine the top priorities for future iterations of the platform.”
**Random thought- I see alot of people complaining that WP devices (lumia included) are underpowered and their processors are a joke, fact is that unlike Android; WP limits the amount of ram eaten up by background processes to ~10MB or so and that’s only apps that are using active resume, while android apps can use up to 32~50 MBs while minimized which is why they require dual core steroid pumped processors. ~Just a thought.
Thanks to ‘Viipottaja’ Via Winrumors.com
Category: Firmware Update, Mango, Nokia, Technical Specifications, Windows Phone
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are they giving up n9?
SINCE FEB
In terms of FW updates? No, 1.1 is imminent and 1.2 being worked on. However, e.g. MAps (according to Konttori on his blog) are unlikely to get many updates.
htc titan has front camera
Thanks, fixed it. Bad info
Yo Ali, I like quite alot of the posts you have written and the personal insight you give, ie on this post, you explained why wp7 needs less power than android.
But samsung focus s is not the first wp7 mobile to have a front facing camera. Doesnt both htc titan and radar have ffc? I think I misunderstood your post, or maybe you’re saying samsung focus s is first wp7 handset in north america to have ffc?
Pleas explain…
What are you talking about, are you mixing FCC and FFC?
No read the post again. Ali is saying samsung focus s is the first wp7 to have a “frontal camera”. Which is why Im confused, because we all know htc titan has a front facing camera, so maybe he’s saying samsung focus s is first wp7 to have ffc in north america? I dont know…but either way, samsung focus s is not first wp7 to have a front facing camera.
Ooookay, now I get ya! Hmm, if HTC Titan and Radar are not yet available in NA, propably when they say that Focus S is the first one with an ffc, they mean the first one in North America.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it, Uhm i guess bad info on my end, thought the focus was the first front facing cam– fixed now sorry for the confusion.
No worries, keep up the good work.
OH YEA MORE BS coming from Microshit like always……….XD
Just like more negative bollocks from you. If you hate Windows Phone then you don’t have to post in topis about it. Simple concept.
Your side lost. Deal with it and move on.
The processor speed or number of cores has bugger all to do with the amount of RAM needed for a background process.
Android needs a faster CPU because it’s running Java bytecode, not native code. It also tends to run a lot of graphics operations using the CPU instead of the GPU.
That’s also why Symbian and Harmattan can get away with less powerful CPUs.
Yes people should know a bit more about what they talk about…
Not saying that we could not benefit from dual core cpu’s we can specially to make even more advanced apps that use threading, or for even better multitasking.. At least harmattan could do this tomorrow if nokia wanted it 2.
WP? you will have to wait a full year for that.
Yes, because we all know how fast Nokia is at releasing OS’s and updates?
apparently a bit faster than wp
We will have to wait a full year for a flagship phone from nokia wearing wp…
Awwww, at least you only had to wait 3 years for the N9 “”beta”"
Well not really, was only expecting it a year ago. and it was for the most part ready at that time the N950, its is roughly the same device as the n9 same glass same screen same hardware mostly (which makes me think that the n9 was mostly ready by that time 2), then everything else happened…..
SAMSUNG???
Only pic I could find showing tethering as thats obviously not available on Nokia, I was hoping nobody would notice
Want a screnshot of hotspot in the N9?
Lol. Good one!
you say “WP limits the amount of ram eaten up by background processes to ~10MB” like it was a good thing ask any developer trying to make any slightly advanced app if that is a good thing????
10MB is quite enough to save the current stage on most of the programs running even in desktops. Of course no one does it in desktop environment, but I doubt there’s software on a phone that needs more.
I hope that shuts him up.
Actually, Mac OSX 10.7 auto-unloads some apps in the background so it’s happening on even desktop OSs these days. It’s also very, very annoying there.
Looking at the ps output on my N9, I’ve plenty of apps running needing more than 10MB but of course they’re doing things, not in some zombie tombstoned state.
Sure if the app is doing stuff, then you’d need more, but even then (on a phone) 10MB is quite a bit.
Pretty sure that WP7(.5) allows for more memory to be in use if you specificaly ask for it. Might be wrong here.
Of course memory usage doesn’t tell much about processing needs.
You guys are funny, hehheehhe do you know that a simple background image for 800×480 takes 12288000 bits X images are 32 bits*800*480…
This just for a static background image that alot of apps have, and before you say something noncence about jpeg or what ever on the X server there is no compression.
I think you should let the people who know about such stuff do the talking.(I’m not one of them)
Did you notice he wrote “background processes”, when an app is “minimized”?
I just ran ccleaner on my pc. In foreground it uses 2500 KB; minimized it’s 550 KB.
PowerDVD 10 which has a big picture in it; foreground, about 49000 KB; background, about 2500 KB.
nope they are not talking about idle apps “Sure if the app is doing stuff, then you’d need more, but even then (on a phone) 10MB is quite a bit.”
Even if it is doing stuff in background, it’d still be less than when it’s in foreground.
What makes you think 10 MB isn’t enough? There are desktop windows programs that use less than that.
Did you forget VM? WP relies a lot on it.
http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+Phone+7+Architecture+Leaks+Developing+Nations+Hardware+Revealed/article18169.htm
http://www.techit.in/2010/04/windows-phone-7-unified-storage-system/
He is talking about an app doing stuff while in a background state. The reason there are application frameworks is to accomodate these types of scenarios efficiently. As a developer you don’t want an app taking up memory for something that the user has no way of using or seeing. If you need more than 10mb to do something while your app is in a background state you are doing something really wrong. But if you do then you have plenty of alternatives as well and you can easily offload that task to a web service and have it do the work for you.
Android has high processors ONLY as a way for manufacturers to try to outdo each other. Android does not use dual core yet, it’s not optimised for it, so to repeat what i’ve said here before, it’s just spec masturbation.
Android is fundamentally poorly coded and laggy. I ownthe SGS2 and frankly, any device at 1.4GHz dual core processor should be flying, but it still takes seconds to do something arbitary. Why? The power is largely unused, and the rest of it is simply compensating for Android’s crap coding.
The iPhone 4S is a good example of the opposite, it has only 512MB RAM and it is very snappy. WP7 is the same way, it does not need lots of RAM and stupidly fast processors because it simply runs efficiently. This means that we consumers get more efficient, cheaper devices with better battery life. So people need to stop whining that Nokia are ‘behind’ – Nokia is in front, along with Apple, in working on delivering an actually efficient phone rather than selling laggy, badly coded POS.
I agree with you!!!
512 MB is enough already.
My PC 2 years ago only have 256 Mb RAM and runs smoothly. 1 GB is just overkill.
Not for animations and stuf, this things are vital on the mobile world… now animations require caching of non compressed images in the memory.
Memory is very important for the mobile.
The more RAM you have in a phone the lesser the battery life is going to be in a way. RAM needs to be powered in order to retain any data. The poorer coded apps you have the poorer battery life is going to be when apps aren’t restricted either by regulations of ~10MB max usage or on an OS level.
With memory becoming cheaper and cheaper over the years there has been little worry over usage of it. But with the mobile space dominating more and more the usage has become more important again because of the power it uses. No wonder MS is going out of it’s way to optimize Win8 so it uses something like 40% less RAM when running.
More memory isn’t always the solution.
If you don’t use caching you have to constantly be clearing space in memory and refelling it, that consumes way more power and cpu. and cpu also consumes power
in the end that decision needs to be done by the app developer,
Definitly, completely true. You can’t turn of RAM when an OS is running. But the more you have the more power it draws I’ve always been told.
So minimizing the resources an app can use would allow less RAM to be needed in devices and thus keep the stress on battery life low.
I’m not really well educated on the matter though.
Yes, that’s absolutely why the iPhone 4S with its currently class leading GPU has 1GB of RAM.
Oh wait, no, it had 512MB and yet still manages stuff like Infinity Blade 2.
You really have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and really all you’re here to do is to whine about your favourite white elephant being canned.
Give it a rest, eh?
jay don’t you mean Microsoft already working on their update since it’s not Nokia’s OS ?
Well, no, since tethering is already permitted in Mango but currently deactivated on the Lumia. So it’s a Nokia firmware update.
And you’ll also note Jay didn’t write this article. Well you would have if you’d actually read it and not just put your foot in your mouth as usual.
when has my foot ever been in my mouth
Nokia are also making changes to WP on their own that other manufacturers aren’t allowed to do. They were able to make changes in how the capacitive keys were sensed to prevent accidental pressing. That’s not on other WP. It’s Nokia specific. Nokia will make more significant changes in Apollo. They said it’s up to them, as users of WP, to influence what happens to it. In the end, Nokia benefits from it getting better (and being first with those features). Others can share in development if they wish.
Note that NOkia is only allowed to change the UI and not the internals such as the kernel and so on.
Having said that, apparently some of the problems in the LUMIA come from the fact that its not NOKIA hardware design to begin with but rather an design from COMPAL that was adapted to the N9 Casing.
Alos worth noting that Plus Elop as mentioned more than once that no major change on the UI would be made so don expect the swipe coming on to WP in APOLO…
Not true. Nokia said that Apollo will show what Nokia has done for WP7 and that Mango was too early to have influence on.
One would expect that, but what Elop says is not that he says that the UI consistency in WP is a major advantage in relation to android.
As I’ve said in here, it’s just counterproductive on Nokia’s part… Didn’t Elop choose to go with WP so that they wouldn’t have to worry about supporting their own OS, that’s why all those Symbian devs were either fired or moved to Accenture??
And now we hear of things like Nokia choosing to use other SOC platforms for their WPs, or Nokia working to influence Apollo (we’re not sure if it’s on the UI part only or if it’s also on the Kernel part), or Nokia trying to differentiate from other WP vendors by adding more hardware features for WP that isn’t even supported yet…
Now, how’s that different with them developing their own OS (Symbian and Meego-Harmattan) just like before, it’s like Elop just restructured Nokia so that it could help develop the WP OS..
Well, we will have to wait a long shot until Apollo arrive, I just hope Nokia suceed but never give the number one spot to Microsoft, the las thing that mobile world need, is another MS monopoly, maybe 25 % for each big players, to allow a 4 runner in the race
I thought that Nokia is emphasizing on the importance of the Nfc feature?
And NOKIA should do that, as they own most of the patents on the technology. Unfortunately they wont as the selected only OS can’t.
Its a really a good news , and i think nokia is moving in right direction
The issues people have with this phone seem to be more windows related than nokia related.
I’m still feeling n9 for me.
As for the processor debate, i have no doubt nokia makes the best use of processing power.
BUT, i feel that the average consumer will have no clue what that means and therefore they will go with the mindset more power=better.
Tech junkies can look further than what they see on paper, unfortunately for MS and nokia, the average jackass can’t.
Hey, that’s totally fine
If the N9 suits your needs the best, that’s what you should really go for. The home community will look after MeeGo-Harmattan, it’s also due for an update AND perhaps more on the horizon. Though take it as it is now. If that’s ok (and right now it’s awesome) you’ll be very happy with it.
I’ve had discussions about the need for specs just for mindshare. It’s true that although it might not need it, for the bragging rights perhaps. There’s a lot of things folks like to boast about that they’d hardly ever use. Makes folks feel better about a purchase, rather than assessing is this what I actually need?
Note though, this is very different to the Symbian Story where like in the N97 it was defended as to not needing high specs. Er, at the time of launch it would have been fine. But the delays meant it was already outdated. My Omnia 7 is as fast, actually strangely faster than when I first bought it. It doesn’t slow if I put more things in (which my N8 always does. The more apps, the slower it gets).
so nfc is useless?
lol
well its getting really funny…..
NFC is very promising. It has great potential. Right now, it may not be entirely useful to you as say a phone starting up fast, moving around fast, not crashing.
oh windows phone is not crashing? amazing!
well to nfc: there is already something like the md310, headsets etc… but ok i see n9 users are the avantgarde…
Yeah, since i bought my omnia 7 (3 months ago) it has never crashed and i have never removed my battery to make it restart.
Cant say of my Samsung Galaxy S. I had to reboot it every day.
My N9 Never cached, don’t remember an app crashing as well, must be a super duper feature it stole from the WP….
Heck my old N900 never in all its years cached and I did some pretty ugly things with it.
Oh right. So you haven’t used one, have no personal experience of WP and are just hatin’ then?
Got ya, champ.
well i used the lumia 800 for some minutes and i felt no desire to use it longer.
Sorry, my bullshit detector just went into overdrive.
What happened to Andre may I ask I don’t see him posting a lot
Ately.
Front facing camera is indeed a very useless feature (for most?). I have never in my whole life used video calling on my phone, and I have never seen anyone else using it. It makes more sense using a laptop..
As for NFC. It’s useless in a WP device as it does not support it, and probably won’t do any time soon. At the time when NFC is supported, Lumia 800 will probably have one or a a few successors anyway. NFC as a feature though is not useless, and it’s one of few reasons I’m still interested in Belle.
I know you guys don’t like hearing this one but the front facing camera as 1 great use case…. taking a snapshot of the guy that stole your phone, and sending it to your email… that one alone is worth it..
True, that’s a useful feature, but if we know about it, then probably most thieves do too.
They’d just cover the camera with their finger, or if they want to be on the safe side, a piece of tape.
How about just locking your device remotely, remote wiping your device or see where it is right from your own home?
MS has a site for that, similar to Apple’s find my phone or whatever it’s called.
That would seem easier for most people than to take a snapshot via a FFC. Timing must be right with that btw. What if the phone is in ones pocket.
The one on the n9 does all of that 2 plus the takes the picture, and you know a picture is worth a 1000 words specially to the police.
And the picture is taken at the moment he fails for the third time the unlocking code.
any one can say what ever they want its a useful feature totally worth the what 50 cents? the camera cost to put on the device
Dual Sim on a Windows phone (or any smart phone), especially one with pentaband 3G would be more useful to me than LTE.
I agree with you. I think we will see that with the new processors next year. The current Qualcomm processor they are using does not support that : (
In the smartphone segment carriers are perhaps more likely to resist it more than in feature phones though.
That is true.. The carriers and retailers are the biggest problems.. Their stand is if one can afford a smartphone and has 2 SIMs can afford a 2nd phone…
I am kind of hoping that the Skype acquisition is a move by Microsoft to get rid of carrier control eventually. I really hate how carriers control everything, especially what phones and bands we have to use.
Why do you need dual sim ? why not get two phones instead?
will the update include “wake up alarm”? XD
looks like someone is spamming your website
And what about the still missing MASS-STORAGE MODE?!
This is still a absolute blocker!
Thanks for the update. Appreciated.
I was considering getting this phone as an upgrade from my HTC Desire HD but was really put off by the lack of tethering.
For me it’s either a Galaxy Nexus which I feel is very much overpriced for what it is or I can spend £400 on an Lumia 800.
My only concern is now porting experience with contacts. Does windows phones import google mail contacts?
Yes, It syncs fully with Google Mail, Calendar and Contants
Really?
Look this: https://p.twimg.com/AlJw9nrCAAA9gl6.jpg