Nokia’s Lumia, biggest WP share of second gen WP?
According to an estimate of the second generation WP phones, Nokia has the most with 45% as extrapolated by WMPoweruser.
This is just for the second generation handsets. Nokia’s goal is to first become number 1 WP manufacturer and then compete with other manufacturers on other platforms. Currently as it stands, Nokia’s still only just on 4% of the overall WP market apparently. Given how small WP is, it doesn’t bode well that whilst Nokia are the most popular of the second gen handsets, it hasn’t made that much of a dent towards overall WP share. Perhaps there’s an error there with the numbers?
It could be that without actual sales data, the extrapolation from downloads skews the information. What we’re seeing is some trickling of the early results of Nokia’s Lumia journey. We won’t really see the true extent until Q2/Q3, and really only see proper ‘NOKIA’ WP handsets until they get with the Apollo programme.
Source: WMPoweruser
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Nice. All I care about is that WP grows at the moment.
The marketshare itself is pretty meaningless to me atm, but it needs to go up every month, and it’s doing that, each month it’s taking marketshare away from Android and iOS so I’m happy.
Yeah, that’s what devs would be looking at too. WP already has easy development tools, but continued dev support depends on user numbers going up.
reall? it grows? do you have some figures?
as far as i know it grows at the cost of windows mobile. and microsofts mobile s are declining. but probably i am wrong.
Its losing globally on users, WM + WP had more users a year ago than it does now. FACT.
now probably they are trying to gain one third or so of existing nokia users. by hiding nokia products these users want. f.e the n9 – omg i think microsoft should do the same what they have done with nokia with rim. so finally windows phone – the third major ecosystem *lol*- will get about 6-7% marketshare worldwide – at the cost of nokia and rim of course.
btw.: a must read for all n9 fans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Count_of_Monte_Cristo
people like lumping wm and wp together either because they don’t have a clue or because they want to distort the facts
Bad news today, I am a nokia fan but: Apple sold 37 million Iphones in the last quarter.. compared with nokias number in the thrihd quarter last year: 16,8 million units (most of them were symbians) So Wp phones arent gonna be the saviour for Nokia.. still one day to see how well they sold in the last quartier, but Nokias stock value went down minus 7 percent today:-( Eflop way is not the way Nokia will survive:-(
so you would rather let someone grow someothing in your back yard and keep giving it to you and you don’t want it or you would rather let that someone help you grow something you both like and both benifit from it ?
cause it seems you and elop are in the same Perspective……i want this and don’t give a shit about anything else unless i have it …..and that always goes wrong
That’s a fair comment. But this isn’t just your backyard.
We are just talking abt Windows phones here, which is a very small share of so called smartphones, so nothing to report here. unless Nokia will achive 50% share of smartphone markets, which will never happen.. Ok.. something to report here…
This isn’t your blog. You don’t get to decide what is to be reported and what isn’t.
Nokia has 45% market share of 1% market share of the total smartphone market share in the world. LOL
+10
“Given how small WP is, it doesn’t bode well that whilst Nokia are the most popular of the second gen handsets, it hasn’t made that much of a dent towards overall WP share. Perhaps there’s an error there with the numbers?”
Haha, that made my day.
Its funny that the first ‘real windows phone’ sold slightly more the HTC crappy hardware, lol
The mantra of WP7 supporters
Nokia can differentiate on hardware
Apparently not, cheers
I don’t think you even get this stat. This is mostly US data where the Radar was the third best selling device for T-Mobile last year.
They took half of that market in a few weeks. You telling me that’s not good enough?
it’s still All BS someone paid for this to happen
You must cry yourself to sleep every night.
No, if you go to the source link you will see that they say ” most of that being the Nokia Lumia 800″. The 800 is not even on sale in the US. So, I think YOU are the one that doesn’t understand this stat.
Let’s make one thing clear volks; 20 miljoen units WP a quarter or the whole ecosystem story will be a fail.
Ps.: at 20 miljoen a quarter they still won’t be the biggest, they will be third behind Apple and Samsung.
20 million would be disappointing considering at the height of Symbian they were doing 28 million a quarter.
And WP mooto is, It will be great in 6 months from now…
I’m sure it will, not sure nokia will be around to witness it…
And BTW all of those other, HTC’s Samsung’s, ZTE’s etc will be and you know how come??? they didn’t go solo with WP.. If WP does great they win if it does not they don’t lose….Its not a hard concept to grasp. IF you are an OEM. Do as an OEM.
Cmon what is 45% of 1.4% of WP best market? The US… IS NOKIA going to survive with that???? Even if by some freakish miracle it reached 10% nokia would still be loosing massively in smartphone area..
last time before any of us had any idea how the n9 looked like, the moto was meego and its amazing ui, qt will save the day. I rmbr we waited quite a while for that.
You can say nokia is used to waiting, playing the long term game.
I thought all that was supposed to change with Mr. Flop?
His motto was “efficiency and delivery”.
What happened to it?
We got it. Lumia 710 was launched in the US ahead of schedule. Lumia 800 launched as it was announced in several EU countries.
LOL plus one. Zorg fail.
And still sales are under-preforming, Nokia fail our fail ELOP massive FAIL
Under-performing against what? Shouldn’t we wait and see what the sales are?
I mean the analysts think that 1 million plus is good.
Look Apple sold 37 mil. units, Samsung sold 35 mil. units. You don’t need to have an IQ of 150 to figure out that 1 mil. is crap/shit.
Yes, in that view it is. But isn’t the Lumia a really new product on the market?
Please tell me:
1) What phones were selling when iPhone first released
2) how much iPhone sold on first released
3) How long iPhone has been around and how well known it is
4) how long galaxy series is known and how well known it is now
5) how much sales did SGS have in the first 6 weeks? (clue, also 1m).
On that yes it’s bad, but there are so many more factors to sales rather than product is bad.
The Lumia is not a new product. Its just another WP phone. In fact 2 different phones. If You want a new phone say the N9 not the Lumia series.
True, but both are only one phone the lumia series is already 2 and the first Iphone was released in US only unsubsidized! I am living in the Netherlands and neither the iPhone and neither the SGS got the marketing push that the Lumia 800 has received.
And what is also important,for me, is the fact that for a first gen product the Lumia 800 is an amazing product. Design wise and software wise. That is why I am quite startled, but it is still an estimate.
@UIT
“The Lumia is not a new product. Its just another WP phone.”
Except it isn’t fugly and has Nokia Drive and Nokia Music. Which, of course, are awesome.
So… no?
You don’t know what the sales are.
The tango and apollo update should come sooner, for Nokia to take full advantage of their partnership.
what kind of BS tactics is this……..seriously ……a few Nokia WP7 and they are the top of everything…..this is very FISHY ….samsung made a few same with HTC but they never to noticed…so i know for a FACT someone is being paid under the table for these stupid few minute work pie charts….this is BS FULL BS
This isn’t fishy at all. When Nokia introduced their phones, WP marketshare doubled in the countries they launched in, that’s in line with getting 50%+ of the WP marketshare.
Ignore the trolls, they just don’t want to admit that Nokia hardware + WP7 is a killer combo.
Other OEM never put thought in their WP phones, they just reuse left over cheap Android chasis and never advertise, Elop is correct to say the Lumia series is the first real Windows Phone, and we see how real work and effort has paid off.
“Other OEM never put thought in their WP phones, they just reuse left over cheap Android chasis and never advertise, Elop is correct to say the Lumia series is the first real Windows Phone, and we see how real work and effort has paid off.”
I noticed this also. It’s like they assume the OS wouldn’t sell so just install WP on any of their current low/mid-range phones and just push them out to the market. Thanks to their non-existent marketing, no phone retailer in Malaysia even heard of it or stock any single WP phone. I only managed to trace them down to one particular telco which only offer one Samsung and two HTC devices sporting WP under contract.
Then again, the Windows marketplace haven’t arrived there yet at that time, which makes me wonder why even bother releasing any WP devices there in the first place with nearly non-existent marketing, save for presidents from HTC, LG and Samsung posing with each phone for a photograph sometime last year.
It certainly is a killer combo. It’s killing Nokia.
Very efficient.
Symbian is/was also killing Nokia when Apple and Android sweep in and ate Nokia’s lunch, your point being?
“Other OEM never put thought in their WP phones, they just reuse left over cheap Android chasis and never advertise, Elop is correct to say the Lumia series is the first real Windows Phone, and we see how real work and effort has paid off.”
That would be true if they hadn’t reused the N9 design and hadn’t just stuffed in off the shelf parts from Compal that followed the Windows Phone reference design to the letter.
Which part of “left over cheap Android chasis” did you not get? Seriously the trolls have reading problems.
The N9 is a high-end design, it isn’t cheap nor a left over.
BS tactics? Know for a fact eh? I didn’t know speculation and opinion became fact upon declaration.
It’s actually not that difficult or possibly that positive if you think about this without your “everything MS related is evil and bad” keyboard. Hold off a second and just consider what second generation WP handsets were available, what total sales was to be had and from that, how much Nokia sold. If you look at the other charts, they aren’t “ahead of everything”. Not in the total WP that includes first gen anyway, so simply by reading the source or my post that states that, it immediately contradicts your own statement of Nokia being ‘top of everything’.
I know your stance is to immediately dislike all MS related products. Sometimes though I just wish you’d calm down a bit and perhaps take a look at what has been said. This isn’t as entirely positive to Nokia yet.
As to those commenting on what’s being reported, there are milestones to be covered.
1) Top WP of current new handsets,
2) Top WP of all manufacturers of all past and current handsets
3) Significant growth of WP and thus also the Lumia line of Nokia WP products, transitioning a large proportion of Nokia users (new and old) to Lumia.
4) Taking growth of Lumia (and WP for MS) away from Android/iOS.
Nokia faces huge challenges. It is not a guarantee anything will happen. This is the path Nokia and the board have chosen and so far their products are being received well by reviewers, the media and based on availability, seem to make decent sales. There will be more Lumias covering more of the different price brackets indicating more opportunity for expansion. Hints of this won’t be seen at all until Q2/Q3 (with Apollo products not making effect until possibly Q4).
This year, one of the aims is for Nokia to at least be the top seller for WP. Now that’s really not much considering the overall size of the WP market now, but it’s a milestone they must make and one that can’t be overlooked as it’s at least an indication of, at the very least, some progress.
Nokia really needs to step it up though with product cycle releases. I thought they understood getting things out quick to market, but I don’t know what the hell they’re doing with waiting for March for the 900, especially since it’s on paper a 2011 device. Good thing the media seem to take a liking for its overall user experience.
It depends on which specs you think are important. Is there any device that can compete with the screen of the 900? RGB SuperAMOLED+ with ClearBlack is best in class (taking into account the resolution). And for looks it’s better than the 800 and matches the N9. Given how important the screen is to a smartphone, the 900 could be considered the most fresh and modern smartphone on any roadmap.
lol most of new android phones have 720p 4″ plus displays
Pentile 720p is not 720p, it’s BS.
It is 720P, it’s just not good 720P.
you know why this is all happening cause MSFT is buying out the compatition and you know that….so much can’t happen unless people got a huge lump of money……come one Jay look at it in a different perspective for once
MSFT buys skype for 8 millions -_- what else will and have they done to screw up a company to benifit themselves just like Apple and Google….THEY DON’T CARE CAUSE THEY MAKE SOFTWARE
Sorry, I should try to reply to comments half asleep (soooo tired just head in books recently). Not sure what you’re getting at here though. What other perspective am I supposed to look at? Serious question.
From the User stand Point,Developers,ect….MSFT took out symbian,Meego and Maemo5 because of Qt and now Qt is gone to everyone and Symbian Passed off..
They have Meego/Maemo5 and Symbian to combind to make an OS more powerful the iOS and Android with the Right Hardware but they where lolly gagin
why did elop and Ballmer Set up Nokia to abandon the OS they have created and bring the smartphone industry to a begainning
and why was MSFT soo afraid of Nokia making Meego….cause if you noticed
What meego was doing is what MSFT is doing now for windows and all of it’s devices
…plus the fact that MSFT is imploding like most old huge companies they have to fuck another so bad to get them for free and that’s what happened with Nokia
alot of us Nokia Users are not Happy at all with Wp7
and the fact that every other company is using more than one Smartphone OS like Samsung ….and another fact that stephen elop is a ex MSFT why was it that he said Meego didn’t perform as good as WP7 but now it shows he was lying this whole time.My developer friends even said Qt codes soo much faster and you even saw the speed of how some of the Qt Apps have gotten updated as fast to a few days….so how can elop not say that this is bad for is former company since no one likes and doesn’t want to deal with windows anymore
These number are good but good for Microsoft’s growth. Sales figures are too small for a holiday season.
These figures don’t justify Nokia throwing every advantage away for the sake of this OS smartphone stradegy.
Always a good excuse coming up for weak Wp7 phone sales.
There are no sales figures yet, silly. That’s been repeated over, and over, and over again right here and you’ve read that.
Yes, I can figure out that there are no figures to figure out the figure situation.
I could care less cause whatever happens Elop will find an excuse and keep pushing WP7.
This time next year we get to hear something fancy like “Fourth ecosystem”.
Really, how much less could you care?
That 45% sounds in the long run, if WP grows strongly.
It could mean trouble for the growth of ecosystem in two ways:
– other manufacturers will skip WP if Nokia is thought to be supported too well
– MS and Nokia will have power battle on who will get to decide the roadmap forvWP and more impotantly, how are the profits split. There is only one alternative here.
Maybe make WP7 the “fourth or fifth ecosystem”. Problem solved
It’s not surprising considering all the marketing efforts by Nokia
Is there a troll block feature on this blog? The same repetitive and bitter four or five people are becoming quite tedious.
Anyway, back to the subject matter. This is interesting but suggests that the sales will be on the low end of analysts estimates. Again though, I don’t think any judgment can be made until Q2 or more likely Q3 2012 on how the strategy has worked.
As for me, I’m not bothered about how many other people have one. I like my 800 and find the ease of use of MI and the lack of having to fiddle about to do anything refreshing. Time will tell if there are enough people with a similar view.
My god. YOU READ MY MIND! I’m pretty sure it’s possible to use erm user script to automatically block the entire comments of people you don’t like. Haha.
Every person that disagrees with you is automatically a troll.
Even when you are presented with arguments that you refuse to address, and questions you refuse to answer.
Take your head out of the sand and man up, for once. You are posting a lot of rubbish here, but you don’t see us “haters” complaining and screaming for “troll block”, do you?
No. It’s just you post the same relentless negativity in every WP topic. Every. Single. One.
In addition, looking at the topics in question, it appears your questions have been answered multiple times by multiple posters. The fact that you do not like or do not accept the points made seems to be more of the issue.
I mean I’m quite happy to acknowledge that the move to WP may bellyflop spectacularly. However, looking at the loss of share at the high end (expressed as ASP and profit) since 2007, I also believe that OPK’s strategy of flooding the market with cheap variants of the 5800 to maintain share was short term and disastrous, a point proven by the 5800′s follow ups – the X6, C6 and C6-01 – failure to generate any meaningful sales volume. That coupled with Nokia’s ludicrous inability to release a competitive handset in the last three years at the high end show you that something had to give.
And no, the N9 isn’t the answer. Ultimately, for all its beauty – and it is beautiful – it’s a grid based app launcher that isn’t as good as the grid based app launcher on iOS. Similarly, Symbian, whether Anna or Belle, is just a widget based UI that isn’t as good as the widget based UIs on the better Samsung or HTC Androids.
Differntiate or die. That’s just the way of it. Nokia may, of course, die anyway but at least they’ll have gone down fighting rather than merely rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
Finally, here’s an exercise for you, zorg: Go into any N9 or Symbian topic and find one where I, or any other sane poster, has made relentlessly negative comments.
Good luck with that one. You may also want to ask yourself why that’s the case.
Pwned!
“No. It’s just you post the same relentless negativity in every WP topic. Every. Single. One.”
- Perhaps that is because the “sane posters”, you included, insanely refuse to acknowledge simple facts.
“I mean I’m quite happy to acknowledge that the move to WP may bellyflop spectacularly.”
- It already has. Lackluster holiday season sales, tanking marketshare and stock prices, and Nokia posting losses quarter over quarter. If that’s not a bellyflop, I’d like to know what is? When Nokia files bankruptcy? Is that what you are waiting for to “happily acknowledge” a bellyflop? Isn’t what has already happened enough for you?
“Differntiate or die. That’s just the way of it.”
- How is Nokia differentiating with WP again?
Lumia 710, 800 and 900 are technologically inferior to the competition, ALSO in the WP camp. There are equivalent or better handsets by other manufacturers from a year ago. Is the so-called “differentiation” sticking a Nokia logo on a sub-par product? Is a ripped-off-the-N9 shell enough to attract customers? I think not.
You are living in a fantasy world and seem to want to drag everybody else into it with you. And when someone tries to open your eyes, you frantically scream “troll” and hide your head in the sand. I suppose it’s easier to live that way.
“Finally, here’s an exercise for you, zorg: Go into any N9 or Symbian topic and find one where I, or any other sane poster, has made relentlessly negative comments.”
- We are all here because we root for Nokia. Not WP or Maemo or Symbian. It’s a Nokia website. People (myself included) are concerned and disappointed in the direction Nokia is taking and the decisions Elop has made over the past year.
This has nothing to do with Windows Phone, and everything to do with NOKIA WINDOWS PHONE.
Understand that.
You know, I read your post looking for anything rational or substantial in it and it’s simply not there.
You carry on if you want. I think I’ll just filter you out. Life can be depressing enough as it is.
“You know, I read your post looking for anything rational or substantial in it and it’s simply not there.”
are you kiding???
“How is Nokia differentiating with WP again?
Lumia 710, 800 and 900 are technologically inferior to the competition, ALSO in the WP camp. There are equivalent or better handsets by other manufacturers from a year ago. Is the so-called “differentiation” sticking a Nokia logo on a sub-par product?”
is that irrational? is it completely made up? NO its not, and many here including WP fans have said the same.
Its a fact NOKIA can’t differentiate on WP, it doesn’t even seam to want to , “avoid fragmentation”.
You on the other and seam very quick to go on personal character judgments and fail to address the raised issues on several occasions. Your comment above being a clear example of that.
I can say Dr Zorg’s char is of suspect.
He claimed n9 has no promotions what so ever, he was proven completely wrong. He has yet to apologize and has creeply asked where is my home country. I do not see how the location on the globe my home is will change the fact that he is wrong.
and all you guys can do is insisting on personal atacks… he asked for your home country because we were discussing if the markets were the N9 was lunched were viable mass markets for high end priced devices such as the N9, and you (or was it some one with a different name?) seemed to know a bit about the demographics of a certain country in question, that lead to a question if you were from the said country….
It was not creepy….It was perfectly normal under the line of discussion.
Now he might have over stated that the N9 got no promotional efort…But I think its also fair to state that the promotional efort on the N9 was several by several levels of magnitude smaller than the Lumia marketing efort. And that from a rhetorical POV stating that the N9 “had no promotion” is perfectly valid as the marketing budget might prove it.
In his original statement. He is wrong. Also, he said he will produce evidenceof lumia advertisements which he has yet to do.
So. Don’t hold other people accountable for bullshit you are also guilty of doing. (Not you him)
My nation is oil producing. My neighbourhood is
I’m sorry but the discussion is silly, does one need to produce evidence of massive LUMIA advertisements? For the love of “huge Illuminated buildings in London” give us a brake…. gii…
I find the absolute need for an apologie over something that was clearly of rhetorical nature a juvenile argument.
The lack of accountability matters.
I can spout complete bullshit and run away I would too 
but I care about this blog so I make people accountable.
The moment your self-righteous behind becomes accountable for the things you say, that moment will be when you’ll have the right to demand accountability from others.
Over and out.
In his original statement. He is wrong. Also, he said he will produce evidenceof lumia advertisements which he has yet to do.
So. Don’t hold other people accountable for bullshit you are also guilty of doing. (Not you him)
Why does it matter where I am from? Let me put it this way, which countries do you think don’t have the money to buy a n9? Which middle class of what nation.
What is there for mark to address?
Is the lumia universally panned? Or being returned in record volumes? Or that the news operators are selling out of lumia’s fake? Or the high street shops come back and say that? Its actually elopes coming to buy up all the stock?
What is inferior? If I can run better on single core but you have dual core to just keep up with me does it make you more advanced?
Is there 1.4 ghz first Gen wp phone? It is IRRATIONAL. Are you privy of the future roadmaps of Nokia products, wp or otherwise?
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF THEM ALL.
Are any wp fans trolling in n9 topics?
That you guys glossover. THAT IS A FACT.
I wanted to answer what you say, but in all honesty I cant understand what you are saying.
Except the insults part but we are used to that.
same here. Insults is all we get.
Well I’m using borrowed internet on borrowed time. With an android tab that sucks. Its a mixture of replies to you and zorg but the laggy keyboard is making me just screw it and rant.
Also, its not like this discussion won’t continue in some form in the future since there will never be a correct or incorrect side to this.
Right, so since you agree, how about you stay out of any topic you don’t have anything positive to say about.
That’s not a fact. Technologically inferior based on what? Nokia still has the best antennas in the game, and the best screens. That’s technologically superior rather than inferior.
When you have no arguments all that’s left is to attack the other party personally, just like what you did right now.
“We are all here because we root for Nokia. Not WP or Maemo or Symbian. It’s a Nokia website. People (myself included) are concerned and disappointed in the direction Nokia is taking and the decisions Elop has made over the past year.”
Bullshit. Why is that any time there is good news about the sale of Nokia WP7 phones, rather than “root for Nokia,” or at least acknowledge it’s encouraging, you’d rather pan it by making ridiculous arguments, such as the Lumia 800 being a “rip off” of the N9? As if it makes any sense whatsoever for a company to rip off itself? (Reminds me of those Coke Zero commercials, where they joked about the absurdity of that idea)
“- We are all here because we root for Nokia. Not WP or Maemo or Symbian. It’s a Nokia website. People (myself included) are concerned and disappointed in the direction Nokia is taking and the decisions Elop has made over the past year.
This has nothing to do with Windows Phone, and everything to do with NOKIA WINDOWS PHONE.
Understand that.”
As nice as it is that you have become a voice for all that have expressed doubt and insult to Lumia/WP it is clear that some have said their interest lie only in Symbian/Maemo and not Nokia.
When there are positive news on the Lumia, if you were as you say just concerned for Nokia, then you’d expect possibly good reaction to that no? Nope. It’s all just bullshit paid microsoft paid stooges, paid blah blah blah blah blah. It’s getting tiring.
Verily so.
“It’s all just bullshit paid microsoft paid stooges, paid blah blah blah blah blah. It’s getting tiring.” were in this entire threat you see something along those lines?
What me and others have been saing is that WP all your eggs in one basket Strategy is WRONG, even if the sales numbers were great it would be wrong, Its clearly a Subject for a NOKIA BLOG.
But the fact is that the NUMBERS are not GREAT, and all things indicate they WONT be great at least until Apolo. This strategy will
eradicate NOKIA from the planet.
Wen we say this we are accused of 100 different things, But none is capable of a solid argument to back up the strategy.
What do you Propose??? pretend all is well, call all people here that are concerned about NOKIA future “trools”.
And the way Me and other see it most of the positive news for LUMIA are at best good news for MS not NOKIA. A good news for NOKIA as an OEM of what ever is….. IT SOLD X GAZILION Phones, That is the only single bit of news that we NOKIA fan need to hear… Having allot of apps or any of those other marketing tricks has ZERO efect on NOKIA sustainability its more Zero phones sold.
HECK How come there is no BLog post here about the N9 sales????? The original news bit that gave the perspective of shiped (not sold) 800k-2M WP also spoke of the N9 1.4 M sold phones, yet there was no news of that in this blog, is that not relevant to NOKIA???
I haven’t been able to post much news on ANYTHING as I have exams. You try doing medical exams and revision and also blog.
Also the Lumia news of 1M already reported on weeks ago (from extrapolation of previous analyst prediction) and the tip that Ali posted about only mentioned Lumia sales prediction.
You seem to have missed my point that it is also unnecessary to accuse people who’s opinion you differ with as being paid stooges. People have mentioned that they think WP is ugly, we said that’s fine, but why post that constantly as if it’s a universal fact that everyone will take as truth? It may not be technically trolling by definition but you can also see it’s annoying to say it all the time over and over.
Positive Nokia news is positive Nokia news. The fact that you say positive lumia is not positive for Nokia and just MS to me shows bias against MS and Nokia Lumia products. This is the strategy that nokia are taking, and getting positive feedback by the media is good. Sales numbers is not something we have right now (unless i’ve missed it) and are relative to the market context and the amount of countries it is released in.
While I agree to most of what you’ve said – this is everything but ‘positive news’ for Nokia. Just like that prediction from few weeks back was also perceived by some as positive news (IIRC, shuffling ~32m WP phones in 2013 – Apple pushed 37m just last quarter!)…
This trend is a disaster for Nokia and I really don’t see what’s there to cheer about. Unless you’re a WP fanboy happy that somebody else, no matter how small of a number, is using your OS flavor of choice, that is. This really has nothing to do with the `WP hate` (which is getting tiresome on these pages) – it would be a disaster even if they didn’t switch their strategy and pushed only 1m Maemo/MeeGo (or high-end Symbians if they were planned) phones in the Q4. Nokia needs to sell at least 30m smartphones per quarter just to stay in the smartphone game, and given the trends in mobile industry – at least double that number to start recovering their lost market share.
WP after almost 2 years in the market doesn’t have that amount of users total, so how can anyone realistically hope for such results with WP no matter what ingenuity Nokia might bring to it. People still refuse to buy it and that’s a plain fact. It will take a lot of convincing and Nokia effort for people to start considering it a viable platform. And Nokia has everything but time…
So, no, this piece of news is everything but positive for Nokia.
OK let’s clarify some things here. On stories where analyst speculated 40m+ sales of WP or Lumia, I noted that hey, Symbian was able to do double that on its own.
And that Morgan Stanley post, I just talked about numbers that was gleaned off their chart. I didn’t say that was good for nokia.
Things preventing people from buying WP
Initially:
1) What the f is WP? No one knows it
2) It didn’t have apps
3) Limited country availability
4) Limited language
5) Limited store availability
6) poor hardware compared to android equivalent
7) not as many new models compared to android equivalents
8) No branding recognition like Android/iOS-iPhone
9) Limited feature set for geeks
There’s lots of reasons not to buy WP in that regard. Bit by bit, Nokia’s participation is rectifying things, but the pace is still too slow.
Image is one thing they have to get right with Lumia, that I think Nokia is going to damage by introducing more shitastic crap that they brought on with Symbian. Hopefully they can provide good value phones that might be cheap but are decent in user experience (I keep getting complaint emails about the 500 as if I’m tech support).
Apps is improving. Quality and variety wise it’s beginning to cover more and more of the bases.
Features – slowly improving though locked under until Apollo. I sincerely hope Microsoft act and get Apollo up to the stage where it’s just not playing catchup and allows Nokia more freedom to do their thing. Note, yes, WP does have its strengths to, but focusing now on where to improve.
Nokia needs to get it in more markets and soon. MS needs to get their freaking store everywhere so people can use the marketplace. Nokia needs to stop announcing phones and not having dates. Everytime Nokia announces phones without dates, each executive at the top should be publicly slapped with a fish. I will make a petition for this because it’s just stupid that they will do their old shitty business of giving vague ‘coming soon or coming months’ thing with no prices >:@
Marketing is good but still not aggressive enough. They started well but trickled and fizzled into nothing.
Get that damn tablet out.
Tango handsets to address lower end market need to be available yesterday.
Every year Nokia has not fought back properly is a year closer to the point where there will just be no point competing with Apple or Android. Apple is completing the iPhone experience with iPad and the mac and all three just harmonise. It’s a huge uphill battle for anyone taking on the iCrew and gUnit, and Nokia more than most having the most to lose.
Will make a separate post on this after exams, looking at Nokia’s situation is depressing and distracting.
The last bit is what is really annoying lately. Every simple Lumia/WP news is blown out like some major ground breaking happening and all other Nokia news should be happy to be mentioned. Like WTF, even WMPoweruser reports the N9 sales, but it’s not even mentioned in Jay’s post. You would expect at least 1 line, but no.
Even the PR 1.2 update of the N9 got only 6 lines of text http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/16/3500-new-improvements-in-meego-harmattan-pr1-2/ , heck even engadget, the verge etc put more effort in praising the N9 than Jay. It is becoming really sad. It’s a pitty I really enjoyed Jay’s postings, but hey all good things end unfortunatly
Jay’s post? I talked about the lumia and not the n9? even wmpoweruser talked about the n9? Go read the wmpower story here and tell me if that mentions n9. Go to the story about lumia sales and tell me if that has my name on it.
Here I talked about the 1m ages ago
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/11/morganstanley-estimates-20m-q4-sales-for-nokia-1m-lumia-40m-symbian-37m-wp-2012-64m-2013/
The report didn’t talk about N9 but I mention specifically there that my own estimation is that N9 has sold more than 1M.
Things have been hectic recently with revision so i might have forgotten, but PLEASE show me the link to the post that I talk about Lumia 800 sales and not mention N9 whilst WMPower does.
Also tell me, am I sharing about N8 and N9 related stories when I can and am free? I post the stuff that gets shared to me.
Forgive me if I cannot spend 50 thousand lines on my blogposts recently. I’d like to ask you to do some medical exam revision and also blog if you can. You mention 6 lines, I think I posted about multiple N9 stories and N8 stories regarding related updates. Again, I’m sorry, this is not my job and I have other commitments right now. All my posts are shorter than usual.
Firstly, I think you misunderstood me about the Jay’s post part. I was referring to this post as your post. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Secondly, all of us know that you have your exams right now and wish you all the luck in the world. And that your posts are smaller/shorter is not an issue at all, but it seems to me (my personal view) that other non-WP news is exceptionally small/short.
Thirdly, my mistake and another apology. I thought I read the N9 sales part at WMPoweruser but ut was at Bloomberg the true source of the news.
Fourthly, I didn’t want to attack you at all and can only praise you for the work that you are for us. I am sorry (third apology in one post!-> insert meme here) if I sounded like nagging you, probably the last thing you could use during your exams. So let me make it to you and buy you some drinks when/if we meet.
You know, Jay isn’t being paid for doing this. He does this on his own volition, for his lulz to our delight. One man cannot cover EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF WHAT IS NOKIA. Nokia is quite a huge entity, after all.
Also want to add major major kudos to Ali, Michael and the crew who assist bringing Nokia news here as no way can I manage sometimes if they weren’t here.
I’m trying to do what I can but have to focus on revision right now.
Not in a frame of mind to write post. I want to, but my brain has that overly used fuzziness going on that just wants to focus on getting the next exam right for now.
Knowing that my time table is just going to get more and more difficult but that there are also huge Nokia fans wanting Nokia news, I’m going to have to address this at some point and offer up news posting to people here. I can’t offer paid position as this site is just about covering hosting/running (yes, even with 6 ads.
The non google ads hardly make anything (the top third banner makes pennies…freakin adbrite
and they don’t pay out until a few months and that’s if they even reach threshold. Ha. I had some ideas for expansion but there’s no funds for it.
Any now i notice this is already long. I could have blogged a few stuff but I find it easier to ramble than to blog post as that generally requires me processing the news and representing it with a certain Nokia angle.
I am concerned about Nokia.. that is why I don’t like the WP7 strategy very much. And so far, there are no real positive news about it. All we hear is.. well, nothing really. The first bit of real news is coming in two days, when they say how many phones they actually sold, and how much money they lost doing so.
Positive news on the Lumia?
Which are?
I’m sorry, I do not see anything positive about the Lumia, Windows Phone, or Nokia selling its soul to Microsoft.
I do not see a need to jump for joy every time Elop “graces” us with one of his “brainstorms” on a remote future that doesn’t look like it will ever come.
What else is there? The results so far have been disappointing, to say the least. Criminal, to put it in a better perspective.
You don’t have to agree, but I would certainly like to see you express the same amount of indignation toward the numerous WP fanboys (paid or otherwise) that fill your comment section with drivel and try to stifle any dissenting opinion or comment.
Double standards?
It’s not the dissenting opinion that’s the problem, it’s the fact that you guys post negative shit that’s completely irrelevant to what the news is about.
N9 news. Some metard writes WP fail or Elop fail. Lumia news, same deal. You’re not even thinking when you post anymore.
dr_zorg: You nailed it.. Words of wisdom.. I am also Nokia fan.. but I am concerned the direction Nokia is taking.. From “so called” burning platform to platform which will burn for sure
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING AND THEY KEEP CALLING ME A TROLL….for noticing these things ……most blind don’t see those things which piss me off…..they don’t thing and see things outside the box or from different angles it’s always one point of view ……you are good for noticing what i kept mentioning to give everyone a sense of thinking
cause this all is fucking Nokia up and what’s gonna happen soon is gonna fuck that company up and put them under…..ELOP needs out or need to start listening to the USERs and not his damn pockets
You’re a troll because you keep saying it over, and over, and over again in anything that’s about WP or Lumia. You need to just shut up and stick to posting positive stuff in the Symbian and N9 news. If you don’t have anything positive to say, don’t say it at all.
so what did you just tell me ….something obviously negative so in contects you are just as equal as i am so shove off and talk to someone else cause… not a fool to talk to i have sense and think with reason
I’m responding to negativity, I’m not creating it. That’s worlds apart.
Unfortunately I don’t see either of those things happening. Elop will stay as CEO and Nokia will go under.
All this effort put into sinking the ship wasn’t just coincidence or a series of mistakes. Nobody with half a brain makes such mistakes, and seeing how complacent the WHOLE BoD is about this, it is very evidently a scheme.
Unfortunately no amount of fan support can turn back the tide that’s fuelled by money and corporate greed. Sad.
you finally saw what i saw as well….this is what i’ve been telling very one for the past few months and and they didn’t understand so they called me and damn troll….atleast you have sense to think outside the box and see that this shit is happening right before our eye and is sharing it and exposing the situation
If you’re that convinced Nokia will go under no matter what, why don’t you just leave? Or are you convinced they’ll go under because you think you’re doing your part to make it happen?
Maybe its just some sense of justice some people have that forces them to say the truth….
Maybe its the bitterness, the acts instigate.
Maybe its like watching a car crash unfold and feeling the absolute need to say to the car driver, “hey hit the brakes” only to find out that the diver either is blind or works for the auto repair shop.
Maybe its all of that…. or maybe something else….. Fact remains, its relevant to this blog, because its about NOKIA
Technically the Lumia’s is the only windows phone
Other (Currently) WP are Android Phone minus the Android then
By that account the current Lumia line are Maemo/MeeGo and Symbian phones, minus the Maemo/MeeGo and Symbian on them…
what u said
agreed……i seem to side the ‘troll/darkside’???
i wish nokia to win it all, wp7 and harmattan/swipe ui, i dont care what os is it in.
Let’s not have that happen. They won Symbian and killed it.
And Nokia have 100% of the MeGoo smartphone market.
+1
Best comment. Made me laugh.
hahah
Absolutely agree… Now let MS fans cry
Shocking, isn’t it? :p
and meego have 100% morons.
haaa good old insult….
Can’t you see that “Nokia have 100% of the MeGoo smartphone market” is not good for meego, and in a way only attacks wp by exposing that 47% of very little is still very little, as it true for meego were 100% of very few devices is …..drum roll ….. very few devices
Think before insulting, you might be insulting yourself.
Not entirely it seems.
Not entirely true. There was also the Aava MeeGo based smartphone although you may not have seen that without being a developer.
WP still has a marketing problem that’s not going to be solved by a $200m campaign.
“Kindel argued that until Microsoft makes it attractive for carriers to push Windows Phone 7 devices, it will continue to offer the best experience while consumers continue to ignore it; Scoble argued that without good apps, Windows Phone 7 will continue to be an unsafe choice for consumers; Berenson argued that until Microsoft can show the consumer what a Windows Phone is and why they should want it, they’ll continue to buy an Android or iOS device. I think all of them make good points, but each argument has some issues.”
Taken from allaboutwindowsphone.comT
Carriers make less selling an Iphone than an equivalent high end android but as the Iphone is in demand and sells very well they stock it even though Apple gives them no control over the user experience.
The “App Race” is a double edged sword – yes its better to have more apps in a marketplace than less but only upto a point where further additions simply start reducing the experiences – either you become spoilt for choice or discovery becomes harder and subsequently promotion for the app developers.
As to defining what WP phone is – here I think MS has the hardest challenge. Apple re-defined the smartphone as app centric and touchscreen. Every new ecosystem or platform will be rightly or wrongly judged through that lens. However MS is trying to redefince the smartphone is being less “app centric” and more “task centric” and integrated currently this is a hard sell because consumers are not very good at putting this into context.
Nah, Windows Phone just hasn’t snowballed yet. Everyone I’ve talked to IRL who has used a Windows Phone loves it. It’s a small number at the moment, but that’s going to spread with word of mouth, and once it grows it’s going to stick.
Keep on dreaming.
I’m not dreaming. You are though, imagining that it’s all some sort of conspiracy.
let me guess in 6 months???
I never said a number, neither did anyone else. You’re just propping up straw men.
Nokia have a 100% share in the Meego OS!
sorry just seen a similar comment above!
Doesn’t that article indicate Nokia is still in deep trouble as we speak? http://www.taloussanomat.fi/informaatioteknologia/2012/01/24/rankka-lasku-nokia-putoaa-porssissa/201221638/12?rss=412f
The death of Nokia (against my honest wish) shall serve as a national lesson for the people of Finland. Efficiency is indeed an integral part of the Finnish culture, but so is rigidity and insensitivity. Nokia was being stubborn — the Finnish way — towards change, and as a result has been bleeding badly for quarters and counting. The world has long changed, become a very flexible place where only the flexible, like Asians have shown (Samsung and HTC), will have a place. I only hope the people of Finland, regardless of who they are and what they do, are offered a clear and honest explanation as to why their once national pride (Nokia) died a sudden death — that they may each look for, and possibly eradicate, the potential Nokia-killer in and around them. For they won’t have to search too hard to find it, I am sure, if they search honestly.
This is a stupid comment. Nokia IS NOT GOING TO DIE. They make a lot of money out of patents and they are behind all the network infrastructure. Their smartphones division might fail, but the company as a whole will survive.
Which patents? The ones they recently transferred to other companies…
THey are still making money on them.
They transferred them to other companies so that they can do the lawsuits rather than Nokia. Kind of a dickish but necessary move, as any time there’s a lawsuit from one of those companies, Nokia gets money from it but they don’t get any bad press (as opposed to Apple which is taking a beating in public opinion for their lawsuits against Samsung).
Mmm… Some things I read recently, a keyword appear onto my screen repeatedly… OEM, The Nokia Smartdevices Division is starting to act as OEM and that can mean troubles in near future, the selection of WP only strategy has nothing to do with the “we don’t wanna get lost on the big Android forest” because the same applies to WP (there are less OEMs but due to the restrictive nature of WP you get lost to) some part of Nokia is putting all the eggs on one basket and things can become disastrous. Of course still is to early to know but the other side of Nokia is preparing to the Worst escenario, just track its recent movements.
I’ve been saying that all along.. it doesn’t make any sense. You CAN’T compete against the Asian cartel on hardware.. fact.
It is true, it makes no sense what so ever. Unless Eflop is trying to make WP succeed, and he doesn’t care what happens to Nokia. Seriously that is the only logical explanation to this strategy.
If you disagree, please provide me with another explanation.
Somebody forgot to tell Apple, and you’re sounding very racist there.
The WP7 deal only make sense if you think in terms of MS has control over a majority of NOK shares using 3rd party groups.
It doesn’t make sense even then as they stand to lose serious money in that case. Now, one can debate that if Nokia gets in the state where fire sale is the only option, Microsoft can get a lot of IP rights for cheap, and they won’t go under the ice if WP7 flops – all of their mobile efforts flopped so far yet they still haven’t suffer any major loses.
But still, why would they be willingly choose to lose money for a project that is not really that crucial for Microsoft atm.?
I’m more leaning towards the option of Elop being extremely incompetent instead of fostering the ideas of some conspiracy behind it all. Occam’s razor, n’ all that…
The largest fish in a small pond is usually still a small fish.
Exactly. And Nokia can’t survive(at least their smartphone division) like this..
Rumor: Lumia 900 with 12 megapixel camera coming to Europe in May says Eldar!
so…
so what ? Unless its better than the N8, 12 mp doesn’t mean anything
You trust Eldar?
wp strategy will only work,if nokia remove some restrictions on it.also many people who owns an iphone is intrested in lumia but they want more apps,i dont think nokia can attract android users to windows.
Most of Android users won’t comer over to WP for simple reasons:
1. Android is not a “walled garden” ecosystem like MS and people who use Android are used to its freedom.
2. Who uses Bing search over Google? I know there are people who use Bing but its a small number. Also, the search engine can’t be changed on a WP because of MS’s restrictions.
3. Similar spec\feature phones are cheaper with Android than that of WP. Why should one go for a more expensive one when you get a similar spec\feature phone from the same manufacturer for less.
WP is a true competitor to iOS only and not to Android. They may be users who may migrate from Android to WP but that will be a small percent..
True indeed. (all of those apply for me as well)
My counter arguements.
1. Laggy experience with android. (Samsung w)
2. Too much freedom, alot of tinkering. (Just became a uni student)
3. Better experience with wp7 with the same hardware.
4. Fragmentation. Within the app store. (Samsung w and tap tap revenge)
If anybody wants further elaboration I will be happy to elaborate.
Android may have those issues but the current sales show that more than half of the world smartphone buyers are happy too buy a device with these than ones which is fluid, non-fragmented and restrictive. And the ones who are happy with the “walled garden” approach are mostly going for Apple..
I’m not arguing which is better but just saying that the current scenario is for Open OS unless its from Apple.
Only your third point is really relevant. The percentage of Android users that care about the first two are an insignificant minority.
3 is the most critical but the other 2 are still valid points.
I know a lot of people who are put of buying WP because of its association with Bing search. They said if they can just change the search to google, they would be willing to go for WP.
Also, most of the techies love Android because of the custom ROMs and all the tinkering they can do.. And because of that, they usually recommend an Android phone to all their friends and relatives and anyone who asks them..
Even Apple gets some following because of jail-breaking…
look up #droidrage on twitter
Laggy experience, malware, freezing… plenty of reason for Android users to come over.
1. Nerds are probably the only people who care about that. Really. How many of those millions of Android users even use the device to the fullest extent? The same with Symbian, actually.
2. Apparently people on North American continent right now, it’s piss poor that much I’ll admit. But I don’t find it too hard to just open explorer, type g in and see how it takes me instantly to google search. So difficult. One can even pin a tile to the starting screen for that. Again, difficult.
3. And will not likely get updated or some other shenanigans like that. Heard Desire S isn’t planned to get update, and it was released what, in the beginning of January? Ridiculous. And also, one doesn’t get “similar spec/feature phone” with the same price, not really. Like it or not, WP7 IS a very different UI. Also, Nokia. Not going to see any Androids from Nokia, are you?
I’d be highly interested to know on what basis you argue that it’ll be a low amount of migrations, really.
There isn’t really enough information here to make any assumptions about Nokia, WP7 or anything else, but it’s hardly a surprise that Nokia could already dominate WP7 sales share in this fashion. They’d could potentially do it selling less than a million devices. Only about 1.5M WP7 devices moved last quarter and while it’s reasonable that more than that moved for the holidays, based on indicators throughout the industry it doesn’t seem like WP7 made a huge push over the holiday season so we are indeed talking about a small number here. Perhaps as low as a million units.
I wonder what the time frames involved here are and, more importantly, I wonder what constitutes a “Second generation” WP7 device when no obvious generational changes have occurred in the platform. Are these devices that shipped with Mango as opposed to receiving upgrades to it?
Given that less than less than 10M WP7 devices have moved since inception, it’s very likely that Nokia could soon dominate the WP7 market entirely. The bad news is that doing so would earn them about 1% of global smartphone market share at the moment and that this number is likely to decline.
Apple is estimated to have had an excellent quarter for the iPhone 4S, Google activated some 50M devices in Q4 and is going to activate 250M devices this year at a minimum so WP7s global market share and sell in are about to take another dump and are likely to keep on slumping.
Exactly.. WP sales overall is very minute (and it doesn’t matter if Nokia get 99% of that) and its sales figures per quarter is nothing compared to the likes of iOS and Android. Nokia can’t survive with this small base..
It does matter, if Nokia gets 99% in my opinion. WP would be another Meego, where Nokia is dominating and other manufacturers will leave the ecosystem. And that would be against Elop’s & Nokia’s wishes
I’m not sure if that is against Nokia’s (as a company) wishes but certainly will be Elop’s.. After all. it more about the ecosystem than Nokia for him..
No, you’re wrong, and you’re forgetting what happened to Symbian after Sony Ericsson, Samsung and Motorola bowed out. Nokia ruined Symbian when they were the only player.
wp7 share will go up, at least in the USofA .. Microsoft have too much riding on it, to let it fail.. if they have to, they will just spend more and more money on marketing until it works. The integration b/w W8 and WP is going to be superb, and I think that is when things will pick up for them. See.. the thing is, all of this doesn’t really help Nokia’s case, because they still need to deal with HTC and Samsung using the same exact software…
HTC and Samsung won’t be using the exact same software, or rather they will as each other, but not as Nokia. Nokia just hasn’t made much use of their customisation deal because they needed to get a working product out as quick as possible. That will change over time. You will see more differentiation. They need a working product first that they can sell, then they can start tweaking it. They also don’t want to make any drastic changes at first since they know they screwed up so badly with Symbian.
i have yet to see mark run around in meego threads laughing at how there is no browser setting, no bookmark folders, or the fact that the goddamn front cam don’t work with video calls yet.
Dr zorg comes in to a wp thread and shits on it. He needs help.
mynokiablog.com/2012/01/23/nokia-lumia-sales-estimates-between-800k-and-2million/comment-page-1/#comments#comment-479632
And he still have not apologized yet.
Hummm is this a Nokia blog????
Is this a news bit about NOKIA WP market share???
Is it horrible to question WP own market share???
And after that is it completely nonsense to compare its sales to NOKIA sales on a very similar device???
Oooo we are only aloud to report that everything is going fine, and in 6 months we will be the kings of the world.
Reality is a difficult thing…..
oh hardly. Nokia will no longer be king of the hill anymore. The way I see it? Nokia becomes the third ecosystem. They share the world equally with android/ios.
Now let me ask this, was meego enough to do that? In time perhaps, but at what cost? The big companies aren’t behind it, big shot devs certainty ain’t. Was meego ever able to kill ios and android. Redominate the market? Again, I think its safe to say yes, if Nokia had the money and the time. Did they have both? I would say no.
I will be the first to admit that wp7 Nokia and wp7 other brand feels similar. Its part of the point of wp7 but hey, just the looks plus some apps was enough to make reviewers go GaGa, more stuff from their end? Godlike.
The question is not, wheter Meego (Harmattan) was up to it. The question is
a) would Nokia have been able to ensure that Qt apps are truly easy port to several platforms
b) push Qt also to featurephones
c) push qt compatibility to other platforms such as Blackberry and Android
If answer to a and b is yes, Nokia could have succeeded better alone. If also answer to c was yes, they could have had the possibility to beat android and/or ios.
I hope that their cash reserves last for one more year. They could get back to volumes end this year with WP, if it is a global success. There is no going back anymore.
My bet for 2013: WP is the third ecosystem still a lot behind A and I. Elop is out.
They weren’t even able to ensure that Qt apps were easy to port from Symbian to Harmattan. Seriously, where’s Slacker Radio on the N9?
There’s still the pie in the sky about Alien Dalvik, and you’re thinking that Qt might have made it to Android? BlackBerry is really your saviour system to make Qt viable?
Get real, none of that was happening.
well the “transition” isn’t yet finished and they wan’t to bury nokia. it’s about windows phone now! nokia? who cares!
It’s a Nokia blog. Nokia makes S40 phones, they make Symiban phones, they make Windows Phones and they make the N9. News about any of that makes sense. Shitting on only one part of that doesn’t make sense.
Hell, I hate Symbian but I don’t go shitting in posts about the N8 Symbian successor all of you guys are so happy about. I’m just glad that I have an option for a Nokia that isn’t Symbian. If they weren’t making Lumias I’d get the Asha 303 or the N9, just so long as it’s not Symbian, so I don’t feel a need to shit on Symbian posts. You guys could really learn to do the same. Yeah, Symbian is going to be EOL and there won’t be a new MeeGo phone, but that’s OK, Symbian phones will still be put out for a while, and even if it isn’t called MeeGo, there’ll be new phones based on that same code base. By the time Symbian is phased out, S40 will have moved upstream and become indistinguishable from a smartphone OS (likely integrating stuff from Smarterphone as well), and Nokia will still have the in-house operating system you guys want so bad. Why all the doom and gloom and anti-social behaviour?
How quickly we forget.. Aren’t you the one that’s been smugly celebrating the death of Symbian and Maemo in every post? I seem to recall a number of such posts with your name on them.
Or was it perhaps your alter ego?
So self-righteous we are..
Guys doesnt the lumia 800 text input have a dollar symbol in it?? or am i missing sumthing here…cant seem to find it in my phone
Would be a great help if aneone cud shed sum light on this
A crappy day at the stock market for nokia, but fortunately some good news too: http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-800-seeing-iphone-4s-level-demand-on-some-danish-carriers/ Apparently the Danes have shown some interest in the Lumia. Small country, but might help change the narrative
That is what I mean when I said that the “good” news about WP7-Nokia have been kind of .. baseless. I mean, one single carrier in one single country is something we should be excited about ? Really.. ? Lets see Denmark has about 5.5 million residents, out of that the Danish carrier in question, TDC, has about 30% (lets just assume that smartphone penetration in Denmark is 100%, which isn’t case but whatever) which is ~ 1.8 million subscribers. The scale is so small, that it hardly matters that the 800 outsold the iphone by 100 phones! Lets see how the Lumia 900 does against the iPhone 5 in the US, that will be a bit of a bigger sample.. and if it sells better than the iPhone 5 on AT&T i will buy everyone here a beer.
Thing is the iPhone has several models that get counted as one, whereas Lumias won’t get counted as one. The numbers will always be shifted so that the iPhone as either a model or a line is the best selling phone on a carrier.
There’s now three different iPhones on market in Europe, and no less than FIVE different iPhones in USA. Still, they are happily lumped together. ALWAYS.
The title of the article is at odds with the content in the article. The comments from the operator clearly state that sales were not in line with iPhone-level sales, but that they were competitive with other non-Apple smartphones. The iPhone is in a field of its own, according to the details in the article.