Nokia Lumia PureView soon says Harlow?
We’ve been following the comments by Nokia staff on their official blogs and at interviews and the gist we have got from them is that, well, Nokia Windows Phones will also get PureView. One of the main criticisms by certain tech media sites was why wasn’t Nokia using Windows Phone in this beastly camera. It would be pretty obvious you might say for Nokia to work on a WP version given WP being their main strategy line now. Nokia has spent 5 years tinkering PureView for Symbian. It’s not going to be that easy to suddenly push it onto WP or any other platform. What with the likes of Sony (E) and HTC attempting to breath down Nokia’s neck in terms of imaging, well, Nokia had to get this out just right now to show them exactly how imaging is done.
Below are some links we followed where they can’t talk about unannounced devices but they pretty much confirm there are Lumia PureViews in the works.
Nokia wants PureView out there rapidly. But it will LIVE ON IN OTHER PLATFORMS and Nokia will learn as they go. Nokia is looking to differentiate Lumia. Optics and photography is clearly one of these ways
And
sure – we wouldn’t develop this for 5 years for a single one off offering. Nokia will be exploring a number of different directions in the area of imaging – sensor, processing and optical capabilities in different ways in different parts of the portfolio.
And
Over the weekend, Sami tipped these two links in discussing PureView for Lumia again. Apparently Harlow says PureView will be on Lumia soon. She says she cannot comment precisely but that wait will not be long.
- http://www.kauppalehti.fi/5/i/
talous/uutiset/etusivu/ uutinen.jsp?oid=201203123191 - http://www.aamulehti.fi/
Talous/1194725938516/ artikkeli/nokia-johtaja+ pureview-kamera+pian+ lumioihin.html
For Nokia’s sake, they also need to get PureView on WP as well as Symbian. For so much talk of doing the best work on WP, well Symbian has the best camera – before and after 808 was announced. Nokia should focus on doing the best work on Nokia, but making sure that when doing WP, their work is the best out of the other WP manufacturers. Let’s try to not artificially limit what phones can do (e.g. Nseries, Eseries, Xseries – all could have been superphones if Nokia combined ‘powers’) and push out what ever we can (which now is a Symbian PureView!)
Now the question would be in what ways we shall see PureView or advanced imaging into Lumia.
I’d be happy just to see xenon. Lump in the N8 cam perhaps? 41mp PureView would just blow my mind if they some how get that into WP. Nokia are said to be exploring a number of different directions. What if there are more high end imaging that don’t necessarily use PureView – but they could have a 12mp with 1/1.2″ sensor. Oversampling is key to PureView so the MP rating might stay at 41mp.
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1. PureView presently needs a co-processor dedicated to merging pixels to work.
2. Windows Phone is currently tied to specific CPU/GPU architectures. Deviate or add to that and it won’t work.
3. Nokia and market trends can persuade Microsoft to expand the range of chips it’ll work with. Hence the Lumia 610.
Prior to this past week, I suspect Microsoft were in no rush to make Windows Phone support PureView, and Nokia would have had to wait a long time for it to happen. According to Nokia the 808 has to crunch over a billion pixels a second, and no other current portable chipset can do half of that (up-yours quad-cores). But the positive response from MWC over the 808 is probably going to make Pureview chipset compatibility a higher priority for Windows Phone updates over at Microsoft.
I’d be very surprised if it happens this year though. MS aren’t particularly good at doing anything quickly without making mistakes. Something they have in common with Nokia.
I would be very suprised if Harlow was to say that based on a MS reaction to the MWC – only a week later! This has obviously been in discussions and development for WP for a while now, most likely ever since the WP deal was announced.
Nokia heads announcing something before the engineers have a clue about it isn’t exactly unusual! I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s been very little communication between the PureView Symbian people and Microsoft.
so.. is your contention that its likely there has not been any discussion with the engineers about bringing this to WP?
I’m saying that I wouldn’t be surprised. Call it scepticism perhaps, but MS had their reasons to not let Windows Phone makers choose their own chips. Symbian is so different from WP that I doubt Symbian changes are taken very seriously by MS.
PureView is a project from 5 years ago, when the roadmap was still some form of Maemo phone for the future high end. Elop clearly knew PureView was something special, but apparently not special enough to stop the killing off of Maemo/Meego/eventually Symbian development and make the first PureView phone as an N9 successor as well as an N8 one.
I agree. I would not view incorporating PureView a “Sybmian change” to WP – perhaps that’s not what you mean either.
Having said that, IMHO it is very likely that the solutions needed to bring PureView technology (i.e. oversampling etc., not necessarily the same sensor/lense configuration or even the same additional chips) have been discussed within Nokia and with MS, otherwise Harlow would not make such a statement. Sure, she may be more optimistic about it than the engineers would, but that’s part of her job at least as far as public relations do. Talk about opportunitites, plans, progress etc., not challenges and problems.
well i think the priority should be to improve image quality on lumia 800. and then they should talk about pure view.
i am sure that IS their priority. that does not mean they are not or should not be working on PureView ALSO.
Much as I would like this to happen – and it will eventually – integrating Pure View into future handsets will probably take priority over sales of existing products.
I would add that if Nokia is really going to unveil Lumia version of PureView this year, it’s yet another confirmation that Elop has no coherent plan and is just indiscriminately destroying Nokia. What is the point of wasting the buzz around the tech on dead OS when you have version with the right OS in hand available for show and sales few months later?
Elop has no coherent plan… apart from promising a Windows Phone by end of 2011, which they did. Or shortening the product release cycles (still too long but getting better). Or declaring a very clear strategy.
But hey, don’t let facts spoil your rant.
1) when PureView does come to WP, it is very likely to be in its next iteration – i.e. something a bit slimmer to make it more suitable for a more main-stream-consumer product;
2)i.e. the 808 is a niche product – yes, a relatively large niche perhaps but still niche; apples to orange in so many ways – thus not waisted at all, IMHO, even if the WP PureViews were to come out by the end of the year – which I very much doubt – to me soon in this context is more likely to be Q1 2013 at the earliest.
3) so providing PureView to Symbian, the OS that so many here still like, that sold over 80m units in 2011, that Nokia has consistently over and over again said will get support for years and that is part of the longer transition to WP is incoherent?
Well, if they will have this Lumia at the end of NEXT year, then launching it now on Symbian is smart think, or more precisely necessity, because Nokia is dropping like a stone, N9 is non-starter for Elop, WP is fiasco and apparently all bets are on WP8 in Q4. Propping Symbian is the only way to have not-completely-dead Nokia at Christmas.
But the problem with this like of thinking is that it invalidates one of the more concrete reasons for WP – that it is king especially in relation to development speed and new HW, and that Symbian and MeeGo are bad. So we are waiting two years for WP8 to bring already old HW only to learn that it couldn’t handle new Nokia HW and we will wait for that another year?
On the other hand if they will start selling 808 in May only to unveil Lumia with PureView three months later, then this was bonehead decision and clearly harmed WP. Elop is talking all the time about how they need to bring Lumia to the people and let them know about it, and then lets the marketing potential be misfired on Symbian, allowing couple of millions of early adopters to buy and praise 808 on Internets? Nobody is going to endlessly dissect photos and videos from that possible Lumia because all that will be already done with 808. Only thing that is sure, is that Lumia would be directly compared to the 808, with people generating bad PR if it isn’t at least as good as 808.
How exactly is WP a fiasco for Nokia? Do you have a crystal ball, or what are you basing your comments on?
1) Where does the end of next year come from? “Soon”,while not likely to be end of this year, does certainly not sound like end of next year either
2) it took 5 years to put PureView to Symbian and they had to come up with a highly specialized HW configuration to make it work on it; being able to bring it to WP in about 1.5 years sounds pretty good, actually. At the same time, they were able to make it work on an old single core CPU; don’t see any reason why they could not do something similar with WP even on the current configuration (with the added chips that even Symbian needed), let alone with the platform that Apollo comes with.
3) so is it end of next year or 3 months?
4) PureView is a technology and it will be used in various ways; 808 is the most extreme use of it for now and may well remain for a long time; it is unlikely that Nokia will even try to top it on WP – it would probably not be good for the image of the WP platform for Nokia to release a phone with that massive hump of camera at the back, even if they could do it in 3 months; when it does come to WP it will have to be noticeably slimmer and I therfore suspect it won’t be before Q1 2013 at the earlies. Yes, that will likely come with somewhat lesser image quality than in the 808 but so be it; 808 is a niche device (a relatively big niche but niche nonetheless), almost a proof of concept device; WP does not need to/have to have quite the same level of perfection to make PureView on it still a great thing to have.
Again, if “soon” means at the end of THIS year (i.e. on WP8), then by the time 808 goes on sale Nokia will have nearly final version of Lumia with PureView on hand. Then, as I explained in third paragraph of my previous post, unveiling the technology just now on Symbian is absurdity from marketing point and greatly harms WP.
It didn’t take five years to port the technology to Symbian, the five years is for complete HW and SW development of which incorporating it into Symbian is small part. And we are talking about almost two years between public announcement of the WP strategy and assumed availability of WP8 phones. Seems like lot of time, unless there is some sort of problem with adding new HW to WP…
So, you think the reason for possible non-existence of Lumia PureView in 2012 could be that it isn’t good enough for high Elop/MS design tastes, even if the OS is perfectly capable of supporting the camera? And that’s sound business strategy for OS that is in position of WP? Well, I don’t know what to say… at least I’m starting to see how somebody can think Nokia could be on path to prosperity and we just must wait…
Again, I don’t think soon means end of this year. My guess is Q1 or Q2 next year.
I meant more to say that I think they will work on incorporating it to WP overall AND that they will try to slim it down as a PART of that. Those two combined I suspect will take some time, and yes, I do think its conceivable that Nokia prefers to take a bit more time to not JUST incorporate PureView but ALSO be able to do it in a somewhat slimmer package. And yes, I do think that it probably also makes sense unless the “slimming down” part of that work would take a LOT of extra time. IF the slimming down part say ads e.g. “only” 3 months to the timeline, its probably worth it – putting out a main-stream-consumer focused phone with a killer camera included would be a great result.
i think that slimming down is quite impossible. the n8 was thinner than the 808. the sensor size requires the bump.
(up-yours quad-cores)
++1
This kind of talk, imo, is hurting Nokia more than helping. Added to that, Jo Harlow was noted saying that “it will not take very long [to bring PureView to Lumia]“. A lot of people already postponed going for the 800 because of the announcement of the 900. This will make people wait for the Lumia with PureView instead of the 900.
and instead of buying the 808
surprise, surprise…
how would you, as CEO, communicate it to the shareholders that your – named to be – burning platform outsells the primary one?
Being even worse, the former one is obviously proven to be technically superior to the latter one – at least in this aspect…
I’m afraid of 808 will not be let to be too big hit. It has done its job: taken the show from others in Barcelona – but it is not allowed to endanger the Lumia series…
On the other had it sounds quite logical from the current strategy point of view…
+1 sir
My guess 808 is “allowed” to take as many sales as it can in the niche its in in (yes, niche – a fairly big niche but niche nonetheless; sorry for repeating this
) UNTIL something similar/comparably is available on a Lumia. After that, 808 will be left to its own devices 
, i.e. it will be “allowed” to sell to those who want the absolute best in camera pefromance, but not actively promoted. And yes, even until then the 808 will of course not get the kind of promotion Lumias are getting; I am fairly sure it will get some promotion but nothing massive as its not part of the core strategy and as it is a niche device to begin with.
There will ALWAYS be announcements of devices that could be seen as harming the sale of the existing portfolio. That is absolutely nothing new and happens with all manufacturers. There is not perhaps as much impact on the main street though as most people don’t follow such announcements – with the very clear exception of Apple in which case people anticipate the announcement of the next model, in particular as they know Apple announces and releases almost immediately (arguably a slight weakness of that modus operandi
)
this tech should have been virtually useless if it was windows phone why?.
1.no bt file sharing.i have a friend with n8 he is gonna buy it so if it was windows.omg.the image will be compressed when put on skydrive or zune transfer.
2.no sd card support pure view symbian memory can go upto 16+32gb.while windows will be stuck in 16 gb.
3.battery will drain like hell looking at 710 and 800 way.
All your concerns will be addressed by Apollo; dual core, HD screens, SD card support are all coming in Apollo (except the bt file, which I think nobody with huge data plans actually cares).
So we can expect a PureView phone will be released as a flagship WP Apollo phone by years end, I would bet good money on this.
I am hearing there will be some BT improvements in Apollo by MS and Nokia..
Even though I’d still like to see Bluetooth file transfer on WP, I’d have to agree. It’s often quicker for me to ‘share via DropBox’ on my N9 to get large pictures to my Mac than it is to bluetooth them.
BT is important to me. Not only do I not have a huge data plan, but most of my friends don’t either. So Bluetooth and USB-OTG are the easiest way to share.
That, and I can’t see Dropbox and similar services being much use for photos that can be up to 10MB each…
DropBox is 2GB free and SkyDrive is 25GB. A 10MB picture is nothing and remember it’s merely for transfer, not permanent storage.
“no bt file sharing.i have a friend with n8 he is gonna buy it so if it was windows.omg.the image will be compressed when put on skydrive or zune transfer.”
Dude, you sound like a broken record. Also, you can use the Skydrive app to transfer images in original resolution.
Hey mum send me that picture you just took on your non-WP phone. Yeah bluetooth, I’ll set my phone to discoverable, oh, wait, I am using Windows Phone, which doesn’t do friggin bluetooth! So could you please run out and also buy a Windows Phone phone so you can send the image to your SkyDrive so I can add you to my Zune so I can sync this one image?
Is that about how you imagine it?
It’s not like BT is technically very hard to do. Apologists are worse for Nokia than haters, you know.
I’m not imagining anything. I’m correcting the invalid statement that SkyDrive would automatically mean downscaled pictures.
It does mean downscaled for three reasons:
1. Large pictures take up a lot if bandwidth, taking time to send and receive.
2. Skydrive isn’t unlimited storage, if you have lots of content, good luck with that.
3. In many countries, especially US there are very restrictive caps on data that can be sent or received. No large files for you.
No. If you use the SkyDrive app instead of the built in access (i.e. clicking “share” in the image gallery) you can upload the images in their original, unaltered size.
1. Yes they do.
2. Sky Drive has 25Gb free storage. Enough to store a lot of high res photos until you want to move them to physical storage.
3. So set it to WiFi only. Job done.
2. Tell that to my wife who has several 32GB cards full of videos and pictures. 25GB fills up in no time.
3. So essentially you can’t use your phone for any transfer unless you have WiFi (and decent WiFi at that) available? What use is a MOBILE phone if you can’t be mobile?
Or you could use the USB cable. Since you’re going to have to be in range anyway.
The point is swapping cards to access content WITHIN the phone. Not within your laptop or w/e that you normally don’t have with you.
What good is your USB cable to me when I can’t access my data?
You want to transfer several cards full of 32GB via bluetooth? Why? That’s just nuts.
Uhh.. are you trying to say that you ONLY have content that you badly need and nothing else in storage? That’s why it’s called “storage”, it stores content to be called on later. That means that I have files among those 32GB that I may want to transfer by BT, not that I would transfer ALL of it.
they don’t know shit bro Cloud storage is a bust sometimes
first the Data Cap you have to worry about and then there is the fees of maintaining your cloud storage…BT is safer or use Whatsapp or something like that which is a hell of alot faster and safer since it’s instant
and the microSD cards are getting bigger anyways 32gb is out and 64gb will be soon enough as well it’s cheaper then spending wads of cash on a Data plan and cloud storage
Funny that they always pretend to “misunderstand” you, even when you speak plain English.
One is trying to tell me to use WiFi when I’m on the move (!) and another is imagining I’d be transferring 32GB over BT..
Hilarious
Uh… if you knew what you’re talking about then you would realise that Sky Drive is platform independent and can be accessed through your browser.
The reality is that, some markets aside where Nokia are not aiming their Windows Phones, no-one gives a toss about Bluetooth when you can use 3.5G or WiFi.
“Some markets” ?
So, how do I use 3.5G or wifi to share a picture with someone else sitting 6 ft away from me ? Assuming I have a data plan, don’t care to waste the expensive bytes on this, or that there is wifi nearby ?
How do I easily share _one_ picture ? Upload to Sky Drive (let me guess, I need some Microsoft account for that), and then what? Browse to it with their device and enter my credentials and tell them “don’t look at anything else! just download picture 98437643987432.jpg!” ? Make it public ? And how do they share with me? Upload to MY sky drive? (Since they’re sure as hell not going to sign up just share a picture with me)
Why exactly do you care so much about Microsoft’s proprietory lock-in platforms that you can’t just agree “you know what, BT is built into any chip anyway, it’s just about software support, and trivial to add, let’s just add it” ?
You know why Ovi was such a raging disaster, right? Because nobody cares about another walled garden. Apple gets away with it, but Microsoft is no Apple.
It’s also not in Nokia’s interest that people are forced to use Bing when they’d rather use Google, it’s actually in Nokia’s interest to allow both.
“So, how do I use 3.5G or wifi to share a picture with someone else sitting 6 ft away from me ?”
Pretty much the same way as if they’re sitting in another continent. Bluetooth is a nice feature but hardly anyone uses it anymore, certainly not in the UK.
Sky Drive folders can be set to public access. You don’t have to grant authorisation specifically. You can also download a Google search app if you want. I find Bing to work pretty well though.
You should really research what you’re complaining about before… well, complaining.
“Pretty much the same way as if they’re sitting in another continent. ”
Which is how ?
Please describe the modern ecosystem equivalent of
a) BT sending one picture from a non-WP phone to a WP phone
b) BT sending one picture from a WP phone to a non-WP phone
Keep in mind:
a) one picture
b) don’t want it to end up on 4chan a la android photobucket, so avoid putting it on the public internet
c) don’t want to share anything more than this picture, i.e. not give someone full access to all my other pictures or any other data on skydrive/my phone
It’s a simple use case, that I run into regularly.
“You should really research what you’re complaining about before… well, complaining.”
Enlighten me then. I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing.
My pure guess is the priority for both Nokia and MS is to implement this kind of scenarios through NFC, not BT (yes, I realise it would be more limited as NCF is not widespread). But as I said below, I am hearing that some BT improvements may be on the way by MS and Nokia.
Isn’t NFC currently used to pair a BT connection without any manual intervention? Or at least the touch-speakers worked like this?
Anyway I’ll let BT rest now
But hope to see it.
@Mark thanks for your responses, agreed that in Europe BT is hardly on top of the list of issues making or breaking WP.
Yes, NFC is just a quick way of pairing the two devices. The transfer of data happens over bluetooth.
Bluetooth 2.x is max 2.1Mb/s btw.
Bluetooth 3.x is faster but relies on an devices having wifi networking for fast data transfer.
So, you could pair with NFC, set up a link with bluetooth but the actual data goes over wifi.
Email or SkyDrive. I thought we’d covered this?
But fair enough, I get that for your purposes Bluetooth is a better solution.
In reply to the original post though, which was that no-one will buy them specifically because of the lack of Bluetooth functionality, it’s simply a non-issue for the UK and most other Western markets because 3.5G and WiFi are plentiful and preferred.
its a big issue in asian countries like india 3g coverage is only in towns and cities.same goes to wifi which is rare may be in malls or cities.but bluetooth is convinient.how come it become a useless feature.you said absence of bt file transfer will not affect sales of phones.well thats exact reason neither lumia nor iphone sells well here.when android allows sharing image to multiple devices at a time windowsphone dont even have that feature what a joke.
Appreciate what you’re saying but I don’t think that’s the market Nokia are targetting. After all, the iPhone’s failure in India certainly didn’t tarnish its overall sales and profitability.
What version of the UK do you live in? Dataplans aren’t cheap, and wi-fi usually requires knowing an encryption key or paying for a service.
Bluetooth transfer is also faster and direct. I’ve used it to send video files of hundreds of MB in size from my N8 to phones by other manufacturers, other OSs. How could a cloud service compete for speed, convenience, privacy or cost?
@Banderpop
Mine’s pretty cheap – £20 for unlimited texts, 600 mins and 1GB transfer.
Free WiFi is pretty much available in every pub or coffee shop too.
Take note that :
1) Not everyone and everywhere has WIFI access. Free public wifi, even less access
2) Not everyone has 3G internet or if they do, it’s limited data usage.
The ‘old’ way still works :
1) Take out SD card, put in the the other phone’s SD card slot & copy
2) USB on the go or cable. Fast and efficient for large file transfer
3) Bluetooth. Slow but well.. if no 1 & no 2 choice not available…
I still use the old way, a lot of people in Asia still do. Read the comments on Nokia in India thread
I agree BT file transfer would be a useful addition (not sure it’s critical but useful sure). Luckily it sounds from what I am hearing that it _MAY_ come in Apollo at least to some extent, thanks to MS and Nokia..
Keep us posted
They should rename WP to “Wait Permanently” :/
Yup, that’s the problem, Skydrive. Skydrive= increased data plan rates. There’s no unlimited 3G thingy in my area
WiFi?
If on the move,outside of office or home or large eateries, not possible. Say in a normal coffee shop, no such thing as free wifi. Even at home, not all homes have wifi, they rather use 3G which is more portable.
Anyway, only those who stay in those areas will understand.
Fair point.
india is not any significant market to apple,but india is main reason nokia still remain largest mobile phone maker.also smartphone market in india is growing superfast id expect a 200% increase in smartphone sale this year with samsung taking a major chunk.
Nokia has 31% smartphone market in country with samsung ,now samsung took no.1 spot.selling some phones in u.k or u.s is not gonna bring any profit to nokia.
Also we cant compare nokia and apple.like mercedes benz may be a major carmaker but hyundai remain no.4 carmaker in world coz of its sale in india.
They will make it work, its a matter of time. I am not sure the results will be exactly the same, but this tech will be ported to WP, otherwise.. what is the point ?
Do we have any idea what kind of GPU/DSP are they using in this monster ? I can’t find anything that can handle 40 megapixel sensors.. even the new Tegra 3
It was custom made for Nokia. If I heard well in the presentation, Toshiba made the chip. It’s a image signal processor that runs aside the GPU.
Regarding the GPU, it is the Broadcom 2763. It has 128 MB of Dedicated Graphics Memory and is capable of 1080p Video Recording .
It is 4 times faster than Broadcom 2727 GPU which was used in 1st Gen S^3 Smart Phones, like the N8.
is it the same gpu on 700/701 ??
Yes, same gpu as 700/701.
Also, nokia wp phones will be using dual core u8500 by summer/autumn so this should result in better cameras in future nokias as gpu in u8500 very potent (mali400)
Are you sure the WP dual core model will be on U8500? I heard there were some issues with using the U8500 (not necessarily all technical) on Symbian at least. Perhaps they have been resolved.
Are there any other brand phones/other products in the market using the U8500 yet?
Sony Xperia P and U
Ok, thanks!
I believe Sony Xperia U & P use it.
I’m doubtfull whether Nokia will use the U8500. Qualcomm just came out with the MSM8660 with Adreno 220. I haven’t seen exact comparisons, but the new Qualcomm Krait based unit does seem to blow everything out of the water that is currently available.
Couple the above with Qualcomm being very compliant with WP ie. little to no recoding to be done to get it to run on WP opposed to the U8500. That would make it a choice solely decided by cost, the U8500 could be a lot cheaper than the new generation Qualcomm units.
There was a deal, apparently. And it does seem that Nokia and Microsoft are thrashing out the support chips for WP8, which should be in the pipeline. Maybe not Dev Preview yet, but certainly chugging along.
I wonder, does this mean the Belle phones should be able to record at 1080p also? Not necessarily as well as the 808, but even so, 1080p EDoF video would be epic and beat the Android/iOS competition if 720p EDoF is anything to go by…
Well, algorithms are algorithms. Once they finish tuning them up on Symbian, it shouldn’t be very hard to port them to WP.
The real issue is the 41 MP sensor and the dedicated imaging chip. I don’t think they can integrate it quickly into WP.
If I were to guess, I would say they will have a Lumia with, let’s say, a 12 MP off the shelf camera and sensor, with Pure View Algorithms for 4 Mega pixels. Maybe even port some Pure View software to the Lumia 800 and 900 to produce Pure View images from 8 MP to 4 MP.
Off course it wouldn’t be the same as the 808, but it would be a start.
See Nokia, that’s what happens when you don’t control both the hardware and software…
stop complaining like little brats in the comment section. if this will end up in wp it will in wp8 not wp7.at that time in ruffely 6 months wp8 will have multicore suport, sd card support and other goodies thanks to shared code with windows8. so it doesn’t matter if you buy a lumia 800 or 900 now. i bought just a few days ago a lumia 800 because i like the screen size(don’t like the 4,3 on lumia 900). if you want a pureview symbian then buy it now what’s the problem. next year around this time i will probably buy what ever flagship nokia will present then
I know this is random, but how good if these colours are available on 808
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alonederp/6954973771/
This is photoshop-ed, don’t get too excited though
I like Cyan, Blue, Yellow, Orange and Green
I guess that announcement would be a bit less flashy than the 808, but I’m sure it’ll still gather significant amount of attention.
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Do you even get free golds for writting caps on :S
why there is no news or detail about windows phone8 ?
The current owners of lumia will be f**ked up if they cant update to windows 8.they will also end up with not much apps coz windows 8 app wont be backward compatible.
“why there is no news or detail about windows phone8 ?”
Because it has not been released yet.
Also, app compatibility will be there, that has already been said several times.
Eh? According to your logic I would be ‘f**ed’ because I switched from an N95 to a 5800 and then from that to an X6 and then to an N8 – all of which have different and particular apps.
I change my phone every 12-18 months like most people in the markets Nokia is going for with Windows Phone. This simply isn’t an issue.
@mark i mean for people who buy windows7 phones. app developers will be concentrating on making apps for windows8 when it comes.so windows7 is more dead than symbian.so better be with an android or symbian than windows phone7.
While it may well be that Mango devices cannot be updated to Apollo: 1) apps compatibility remains, as pointed out by others 2) that does not meant they could not keep updating Mango as well – e.g. adding purely software based improvements that don’t require extra hardware; this would be very much in line with at least Nokia’s modus operandi; sure, perhaps not MS so much but then again MS has not been in mobile business lately that much – to put it politely – so who knows. Another wait and see.
I hope when they said “other platforms,” it is Symbian, MeeGo and Windows Phone. Not some iOS, Android or BlackBerry.
Not Meego. Meltemi perhaps at some point.
This won’t arrive to WP until WP8, where Microsoft will add support for multicore chips, microSD cards and the support for manufacturer skinned camera apps.
They could’ve done this already in Android.
They couldn’t have done this in android..
Why not?
Btw, I would not be surprised if Nokia had something to do with skinned camera apps being including in Apollo..
Wrong.
Other systems means:
Symbian Carla, Donna, Ella, Flora …
Maemo 7
and …… S40 feature phone with powerful camera!
@insider
Hahaha, great, +1
As if I would want anything other than a Symbian <3 device.
OTHER PLATFORMS?, can we take meeGo into account? =)
Nope would be my guess. Meltemi perhaps.
“We’re working on it for other platforms.”
“Which?”
“Other. Platforms.”
*cuts to scene of Maemo prototypes being nailed into a wooden crate and hidden in a huge warehouse*
WP7 won’t get PureView technology. In fact, WP7 still can’t do a lot of things right (screen resolution, pretty 8MP camera photography, NFC, VPN). You’ll have to wait till at least WP8 (Apollo). It is also until WP8 when real goodies such as Skype integration can be realized.
Besides, when you get a Windows phone you are also locked into Zune, Internet Explorer, Bing etc. Many of may desire Nokia’s hardware, but genuinely detest getting stuck in the ‘third ecosystem’.
Lastly, from the response of those who have played with Windows 8 Consumer Preview, many of them are upset at the Metro UI being shoved down their throats. When Windows 8 is released, it may turn off Windows 8 desktop users from purchasing a Windows phone, even if Metro may be good for a touch interface.
For those lurkers from Microsoft: please make Metro a skin or theme which you can turn off (just like Aero in Windows Vista). Also, don’t mess around with the familiar elements (Control Panel, Start button, taskbar, task switcher) too much. There is no shame in sticking with things that work.
Agreed. +1
I believe it was clear to everyone that PureView is not expected in Mango devices and that Harlow was talking of Apollo (if not even the next interim update after that).
I am going to be special and get the Lumia 900 anyway, because I don’t really need a great Camera.
BUT for my dad, and my brother, who needs good cameras for their work, yes, I will hold their purchase until WP gets PureView.
You don’t need to wait for Lumia 900 to get a bad camera, you can already buy the 800.