Verizon to add Nokia phone to line up, US carriers cheering for Nokia?
Well, according to Bloomberg, the carriers are cheering on Nokia and their Windows Phones. Why? Because the main two options, iPhone and Android, apparently have too strong a grip. The fear is that supposedly, carriers will be unable to distinguish themselves and squeeze their profit margins.
We have previously reported that Verizon were backing WP. They have been rumoured to deliver one of the first WP8 Lumias.
Cheers Janne for the tip!
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Verizon and Att have no love for any phone manufacturer. They will use Nokia as a bargaining chip against Apple to try bring their subsidy down but I suspect it will fail.
IPhone is commanding 70% plus sales for Att most recent quarter. They are not going to want to.lose that custom. However the customers are not paying the TRUE cost of the iPhone. Its a situation the networks got themselves into in their greed to control the customer.
Screw the greedy carriers. The only good thing here is that this will increase Lumia sales and awareness, and will therefore benefit Nokia. I’m not really interested in the benefits characters receive here.
There is simply too much greed all around. The world is becoming a horrible place because of greed.
*I meant to say benefits carriers recieve
i agree with you very much, nobody is ever content with any amount of money, people only want more and more and more of everything.
They ought to declare those 70% are “ded platform” like Symbina and start celebrating Windows like Nokia – this is winning Nokia strategy, they should learn how to win from Nokia’s CEO Elop!
The US isnt the rest of the World..Its not the Centre of the Universe either..
Don’t fret, if you check statcounter you find that WP is growing in every market it is in. Also as a non-American , I would add that there is no better market for Nokia and WP to be receiving hype in because of its media, influence and preference for high-margin, high-end phones.
Statcounter?
Growing from 0,82% to 0,85% in North America. Wow! An increase of 0,03%! OMG! 0,03%! What a massive growth.
WP is truly destroying the competition and at light speed.
Here’s the North American graph from this year.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-201201-201204
Even Symbian has more page views than WP. Over three times more. And Symbian is not really sold over there. Much less marketed with close to a billion dollars, like has been done with WP so far.
And here’s a bar graph that even better showcases the pathetic situation of WP in the North America.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-201204-201204-bar
Of course the 900 has only be on sale since April 8 in the US. Not North America.
Got any more invalid comparisons or do you just want to keep drowning in a sea of bitterness?
I expect dozens of posts more saying how “we don’t get it” that Nokia is in a bad place. Any discussion of good news is being in denial.
No matter how much we say, we do get it. WE DO GET IT! (We may disagree on hows and whys, but we do get Nokia is in a bad place.) We just don’t want to wallow in it day in and day out.
Nobody here, I expect, thinks the positive U.S. news is some kind of a savior for Nokia. It is just a little bit of nice news, but no savior.
But I guess we should start a blog where we post daily analysis of how Nokia still sucks and still made all the wrong calls, and still is going to die. Keep on repeating this ad-infinitum.
And then, every day, 1000 comments saying “Yeah, I absolutely agree.” beneath it (all opposing comments deleted).
Sounds like a fun way to spend your time.
But why doesn’t it sound all the inviting to me?
so the anti-tomi club?
You know, I can understand anger towards the management one feeld made the wrong calls. But the intra-fighting in the Nokia user-community. I just don’t get it.
When I go to the 808 thread for example, I don’t go there spouting my views on Symbian. I go there to discuss the colors we ordered and overall enjoying the product.
Why would I attack people who appreciate the product? No, in fact I’m buying one myself, even though I like Lumias too.
have you considered that maybe people just dont hold nokia as high importance as their choice of ecosystem?
Yes, your idea that people were coming here for Symbian for example, probably has some merit.
But it is up to Jay to define what the site is about, and for the users to choose if they want to participate.
I remember Jay going through his own shock after Feb11. He chose to continue and take Windows Phone on board. So it is a legitimate topic here.
The hate, I think, serves nobody. If you want you daily dose of Nokia hate and constant analysis of failure, deletion of opposing views, there is a better site for that.
@Janne, I’ve commented before about this site full of WP haters. These guys claim to be Nokia fans, yet they seem to relish on seeing Nokia fail because they don’t agree with the new strategy. It is common practice here to bash any good news relating to WP7 or Elop, and praise any good news promoting Symbian or MeeGo. True Nokia fans will support the N9, Lumia, or 808, no matter what. You would never see any trolls bashing any Symbian or Meego positive news, but these trolls come in droves for any positive WP news. This is a fact on this site.
+1
LUMIA 900 does not seem to be recognized as a Windows Phone by statcounter.
If you look at statcounter, there is a significant increase for the “other” OS starting the same day as the lumia 900 was released on AT&T. This “OS” has had a flat curve for months before.
Can it be that the lumia phones are not recognized as windows phone by statcounter?
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-weekly-201212-201217
@RJC,
First why are you going back 4 months and using North America stats instead of US? The 900 just launched a couple of weeks ago and WP is just starting in Mexico and most Caribbean countries do not have it. You wouldn’t be trying to skew the stats would you? By the way even using your 4 month time period, WP rose in the US by 17%.
WP is just really getting started and while statcounters is showing stats from all devices that are still in use. For WP, the key thing that can be ascertained from statscounter stats is momentum and if you looks at the last 30 days stats you will find WP is rising in every market it is in. The momentum is the key–something Nokia hasn’t had in a few years.
The carriers are Apple’s puppets. They will do whatever Apple says ultimately.
Wrong. That would be CNBC.
Not quite, although they do quite a bit. I like it better this way, we actually get half decent data plans, and I’m also glad things are more device centric than carrier centric.
Sadly, this is the only time I have recall seeing this many commercials for a Nokia products here in the states. Had they done all of this in the past maybe they would be better off.
Sorry but no amount of commercials can get anyone to by a windows phone.
So that explains why L900 is backordered! Interesting.
So your prediction of world wide sales of Lumia for Q2 will be zero. Are you by any chance an analyst?
Lol, you so realise that the reason it is advertised is because it’s WP?
Symbian or MeeGo was never going to be accepted by the big carriers.
I don’t know in what kimdof dream world some of you live who believe Symbian or MeeGo ever had a chance. Non of you where buying it.
Yea right, they will cheering for anybody if they give them money. :/
BTW, what would happen if they promote N9 like this?
Im guessing they’ll sell the exact same amount, maybe more considering how innovative the swipe UI is.
Please, we have been there, lots of cheering how operators in EU and elsewhere are selling and subsidising Lumias, therefore boycott LOL!!! Five months later operators are publicly advising Nokia better to use Android. It amazes me how WP fans can fall for the same trap again and again.
Well, they have nothing left. They have to or else they would have to face the nasty reality and get emotionally hurt. It’s better to live in denial.
All I see here are fanatical idiots trash talking on a site which you obviously don’t belong.
Its obvious you guys hate Nokia, I totally get it.
Quit trolling.
Exactly. Lumia has failed. You win.
Now, can we go back to cheering for our team?
No we can’t, we came to the match but our team was banned from entering the field, instead we are forced to watch your team playing in our colours.
So you are going to ruin the game for everyone – all those people here who are completely innocent to you being banned?
Good going, guys.
symbian first, nokia second.
its pretty obvious if you think about it.
all thise signs that show nokia with symbian iw not competitive anymore, they still insist nokia stick to it.
Probably. But if your position is Symbian first, then why not keep to the Symbian or relevant threads. MNB is great in that it serves all of Nokia users. I’m not there in Symbian threads hating on Symbian even though I have opinions on that.
BTW: That is not directed at arts, but at people who put Symbian first.
@Janne curiously they seem mostly ignorant of UIQ (the real lost opportunity) or Psion and carry on is if it was some Nokia creation and S60 the only flavour.
Very good point there actually. Isn’t first time Nokia brought in outside OS…
I fully agree. I think it would be far better if Symbian fans kept to postive messages in their own threads instead of behaving like hysterical kids everytime there is positive Lumia news.
If you feel the urge to flag people as Symbian firsters or WP firsters, please count me into Harmattan/MeeGo/Nokia first camp.
Isn’t that denial exactly what the most ardent Symbian/MeeGo approach fanatics are living in?
It depends. If AT&T have sold a significant number of 900s then Verizon will want in on the action.
That’s a no brainer. You’d have to be pretty stupid to think they wouldn’t.
Not necessarily, Amazon already showed what they can do with Android, taking it and making it their own. Verizon could do the same with Droid, fork from Google’s source, use their own app store, and have even better Vendor lock in than CDMA allowed before.
The vast majority of people are not rational but emotional and shallow thinkers. They decide on a phone and then rationalise the decision afterwards.
In the UK the Iphone tariffs are more expensive but its still available on all the major networks. You can pick up a contract free 16gb for £499, 32gb £599, 64gb £699 <—- insane prices yet people are paying for them. I can buy a Galaxy Note for about £370-£400 that once I add a 32gb card for about £25 to give me 48gb in total for a price of £400-£425 vs Iphone 32gb at £599.
So I can get a Note for upto £200 cheaper than an Iphone yet the Sheep (there is no other word) will buy the Iphpne. I see people on minimum wage toting Iphones – its madness. Payong £40 pcm so they could get the phone with no upfront cost.
Consumers are not rational.
To summarise.
Apple takes all your money.
Google takes all your data.
Nokia + MS take neither offer you great value and wont sell your data to the highest bidder yet people turn away.
Elop said it was a war of ecosystems – no I think its more a war about hearts and minds.
People being irrational is what may save Nokia.
A lot of people buy the iPhone because ‘everyone else has one’ and don’t want to be excluded. Ironically, once everyone – or a large proportion of the population – has one then it becomes common place and a mass commodity and people want something different.
If Nokia can drive a wedge in the US so people buy the 900 then this could have a cascade effect over the next few years. All they need is for ‘cool’ people to buy it and the whole social effect kicks off.
It’s frightening how quickly things can change when that happens.
Mmmm it’s about time Nokia got on the “virtuous” side of this cycle rather than being a permanent victim of it.
A (long asked/pleaded/begged for here and elsewhere) halo device it’s what’s needed – it’s a shame that when Nokia decided on (yet another) new strategy and transition that the new OS wouldn’t enable them to immediately bring out top end devices. I don’t know whether the BOD or Elop were fully aware of this it was certainly not made fully clear (or rather became painfully apparent until 6 months later – and it’s not about the Nokia-fication but that the L900 in April 2012 is a mid tier device at best.
If they can finally get a no compromises (the one Jay and many have been begging for since the N97/N96) onto the market with hopefully one new/compelling feature (that’s all it needs) then wwe may start to see virtuous “trickle down” and “cool effect” starting.
btw; how many marketing w**kwords can you fit in one reply? A lot looking at above paras…….
LUMIA 900 does not seem to be recognized as a Windows Phone by statcounter.
If you look at statcounter, there is a significant increase for the “other” OS starting the same day as the lumia 900 was released on AT&T. This “OS” has had a flat curve for months before.
Can it be that the lumia phones are not recognized as windows phone by statcounter?
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-weekly-201212-201217
Well, it certainly would not be the first time that Statcounter gets their figures messed up.
New York Times also wrote about this yesterday:
Why AT&T and Verizon Are Rooting for Windows Phones
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/24/carriers-windows-phone/