Ollila: Nokia was too slow, but now will deliver products on time – suggests hybrid smartphone/tablet.
Here’s an interesting read from Ollila if this is true. Ollila accepts that Nokia missed the boat when it came to smartphones in 2008. Despite inventing the smartphone and being on top, Nokia was unable to adapt to the new pressures of the new smartphone paradigm quickly enough. Nokia was just too slow.
I mentioned before that Nokia must focus now on products, on customer satisfaction, on timely products. The right products at the right time.
Ollila says that Nokia will produce on time and makes a mention of hybrid devices.
Ollila said that Nokia will publish its range of flat screen computers and smart phones like the hybrid devices.
The smartphone/pc (tablet?) hybrid has been seen already in the Galaxy Note. At first that product seemed too unwieldy for some, and it still is. But there’s definitely a market for screens that big. I’m afraid Nokia might be too afraid and try to play the safe/boring game. Can Nokia actually bring a proper hybrid as opposed to simply being a big screened smartphone?
Source: taloussanomat.fi
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I think Ollila is getting more confident from seeing the W8 tablet and Apollo phone products taking shape. He seems like a good guy owning up to some (rather big) mistakes of the past. But also getting a little more relieved they will likely to be overcome with the new focus on W8/WP8.
He says full range so I hope he means Nokia will also be building full size, full-speced, tricked-out super tablets. I want a tablet as sexy as cyan Lumia 1000 with PureView.
One would hope so. W8 and WP8 (and beyond) software and hardware roadmaps and concepts/early development were probably a major reason in Nokia’s decision to begin with.
It is slightly comforting – if true – that they realised they had big problems already in 2008.. pity it took them way too long to do much about them.
speaking of WP8:
http://wmpoweruser.com/something-big-going-down-at-june-windows-phone-developer-summit-and-we-are-invited/
somethig big has been going around at win7, and also at win 7.5. nothing big happened after that however. again another rumblings being projected.
BTW, do we know when WP9 is scheduled to be out? Just to know what is the next goalpost, because so far the new Nokia is continuous waiting for the next version.
what moving goalpost? whoses moving goalpost? yours?
you know what moving goal post i am used to?
nokia says n97 was bad, symbian^3 will fix it.
1 year in, sorry symbian^3 is coming out late, we are going to make it even BETTER!
Symbian^3 was bad, sorry, we will bring keyboard and competition beating browser early 2011.
Feb 2011. I know we missed our deadline, but at least you are getting new icons now.
August 2011. Ok! new icons, subpar browser and subpar keyboard are here! sorry about lying to you.
i know you wont mind as symbian fans you will eat it all in anyway.
and the keyboard sucks because we chose the wrong ratio. too crampy. We discriminate people with big thumbs. =P 8) our bad. just keep buy them alright?
end rant.
Well you forgot something…
Feb 2011 the same Nokia told you that Symbian sucks, we’re sorry… here comes Windows Phone with Nokia’s capability to change everything and we’ll rock
Then they said oops we’re not going to change anything.
Now they say WP8 is our saving grace.
This has been the way Nokia has been working since S60 debacle.
Sorry to say but if the N808 is too expensive i’m moving to Samsung or Motorola, its just not worth paying too much money for the N808. And yes i tried the Lumia 800 for a few days, it was good but somehow i just didnt connect to it.
im not attacking symbian. im attacking the old management who left this huge pile of mess that people have to clean up.
the stupidity that blindes most of them is amazing. who the hell say statements like we can sell shit because of our name? wtf?
and no i dont agree with what nokia is doing now compltely.
and obviously thwre is plenty of room for debate regarding meego and wp.
but there is one thing im standing firm on is that symbian had to go.
its continued exisitance is damaging the nokia brand more th%n helping it.
For start, lots of WP fans believe in that shit, you know – nobody buys WP but that will change when Nokia unveils their WP phones with same HW and same OS as everyone else! And of course Elop, who proceeded with this master plan.
And?
Alot of symbian folk believe symbian would have succeed no matter what.
Alot of Meego folk believe Meego could have lead the Nokia revival.
And now we have folks that believe EP can work.
So why is their believe so different that you must write negative bullcrap? Why discriminate? Why is their idea inferior to yours?
It was completely unprovoked comment from Keith And yet you felt the need to troll people.
Did Keith insulted you in anyway? Tell mnb and me. your plight. If Keith did something wrong against you?
I assume Keith did something tto you or you are just a massive dick.
“For start, lots of WP fans believe in that shit, you know – nobody buys WP but that will change when Nokia unveils their WP phones with same HW and same OS as everyone else! And of course Elop, who proceeded with this master plan.”
Odd, isn’t it that despite the hardware being the same, the choice of the majority of the next gen WP are Nokias? It’s not huge but it does counter your point that somehow people will not choose Nokia over other WP.
A nicer screen, a nicer design, more reliable antenna, usable free satnav. It’s not going to sell hundreds of millions any time soon but the momentum is slowly building up. Just look on statcounter – it’s slow, like Android was in its very early days, but it is growing.
Wait, weren’t you ridiculing the selling-crap-on-switch-flipping attitude of old Nokia just one thread down, and now you are trying to show how well it works with WP?
Yeah, there is some growth, after all they started from zero, but it costs them massive amounts of money and the numbers are minuscule in comparison to the world out there. This year there will be more than 700 millions smartphones sold, you can do the math to see where is Nokia’s share going to end with single digit sales per quarter.
BTW, momentum is becoming my second most favourite word, right behind ecosystem.
Nobody spends the amount on marketing that Nokia does.
Sales will decline, the new WP phones can’t match the new Andriod phones
“Nobody spends the amount on marketing that Nokia does.”
LOL! Apple?
I meant marketing for WP
Well, if the new androids are as lackluster as S3 announcement was, I’d not be worried in the slightest.
“Then they said oops we’re not going to change anything.”
What? You haven’t noticed the Nokia specific apps? The fact that Navteq is providing the mapping infra for Bing and every other WP manufacturer? The fact that they brought NFC to the platform? And all this in 14 months since the announcement of the partnership.
Git yer head outta yer arse, mate…
@nn,
I thought everyone knew that Nokia has not released any Windows tablets yet. In fact Windows 8 is not out yet. The Lumias are doing quite well and are setting up the W8/WP8 devices very well though.
‘on customer satisfaction’
Yeah. Right. Like having “other” choices, eh?
Like giving them good product experiences. Not simply overwhelming them with choices and splurging out crap because the Nokia name apparently is enough to fool people into buying bad products – Lee Williams.
Nokia previously did “families” of phones, the biggest drawback to this was that if flaws existed they wouldn’t just be on one phone but 3 or 4.
If common sense prevails, having a stratergy that isn’t 100% windows based will now occour unless the 4 year “platform support cheques” deal has chained Nokia to deathrow.
Nokia certainly can’t base its future on windows 8/windows phone 8 unless it happy to see 5 or 6th place as a mobile provider.
The stupid thing is that nokia with its currently windows phone strategy is actively making people move away from nokia until they buy their next phone. By then the game will have changed.
Yes I like symbian, but if nokia had produced something better than symbian then yes i would have been happy to move to that. If nokia hand’t killed meego and also gave a widget layer i would have been there (if there was a keyboard version).
wp7.x is like a toy os in many respect; immature and it feels like an uncustomisable experience.
Nokia’s Windows Phone strategy isn’t driving people away from Nokia. Shitty Symbian phones have been driving people away from Nokia for years.
Nokia is bringing people back with Windows Phone. I wasn’t going to touch another Nokia until they made that announcement. It didn’t have to be Windows Phone, but there weren’t any other good options available. webOS wasn’t open for licensing at the time. If it turns out MeeGo would have worked, I would have been willing to try it since it wasn’t Symbian, but Elop was right, it wasn’t going to be ready soon enough. It’s the Intel deal that made that happen. Had it just been Maemo, it would have probably been ready 6 months earlier.
You’re so out of touch it’s already beyond funny. Do you live in a bubble or how do you avoid the reality so masterfully?
Nothing to say except you’re completely wrong. I’ve been in touch for a very long time. I’ve understood Nokia’s Symbian phones to be a problem for ages, as have millions of others who have already switched platforms.
lol. it’s still better than winblows.
It’s funny that people don’t realize this, but saying M$ or winblows gives you zero credibility.
Well, quite a few of your posts are just “you are totally wrong” without any proper argument to show. That is not very credible, either.
i agree, but in his defense, the person he is replying to just gave him “you are completely out of touch” without any explanations what so ever.
If you read these blogs long enough you’ll see I can give some very detailed reasonings. Not going to do it every time though. That would get tiresome.
Uhhh-merikahhhhhhhh…Uhhh-merikahhhhhhhh…
Uhhh-merikahhhhhhhh! F$ck yeah!
Coming again, to save the mother f$cking day yeah,
Uhhh-merikahhhhhhhh! F$ck yeah!!!
Come out from under that rock that you live in. There’s so many other countries and markets that you are obviously not aware of, man.
China, India, Asia, Russia, Africa…
Nokia Lumia belongs to the 1%.
We are the 99%.
you are sad.
I can see your temple vein from here, throbbing and ready to burst. ROFLMAO!!! =))
He raised many valid points when he gave his explanation.
if you do not have anything better to add or counter what he said, what insult him?
did he antagonize you? did he hurt you in someway for you to insult him as living under a rock?
dude, im trying to help you.
you can trust me, im here to help.
You are a funneh lot.
did he? i am here to help. if migo insulted you unfairly in anyway, i will be right here helping you get justice.
because i cant understand why you would suddenly lash out at him like that.
arts, you, migo, and your kind. You are too touchy when your ideologies and opinions are being questioned.
Then we present facts.
USA is not the only market in the world.
And we don’t want your Lumias and WP.
Accept that fact.
ideological differences aside, this is FAR more important.
if migo is insulting you in someway let me know k?
Dont be afraid to let me and the whole MNB community known, the reason why you needed to lash out against migo like that.
im pretty sure migo must have done something wrong towards you in the first place.
Wow. You really are a priceless gem. Really a work of art, no? I just stated that he needs to “Come out from under that rock that you live in,” since, “There’s so many other countries and markets that you are obviously not aware of, man,” then stating,
“China, India, Asia, Russia, Africa…,” furthermore that “Nokia Lumia belongs to the 1%,” and that
“We are the 99%.”
If he can be so vocal and anti-Symbian, et al, then so can we be anti-WP.
Your point?
my goal always was to help you.
erm, i still dont understand.
so basically what you are saying is because he has a different opinion from you, you are insulting him?
i dont see how anything he said in the statements above gives the impression he thinks america is the world?
and who is this we you speak of? o.0
Well, I for one cannot really take seriously anyone who claims to represent “the 99%”. That’s a wee bit arrogant, isn’t it?
As a European resident I ahve to say that even here Symbian has been dying for years. Primarily due to the poor experience it delivers.
Since early 2010 people have been shifting to smartphones in large numbers, they didn’t go for Nokia’s though. A large amount of people all went to what Android had on offer at that time. Logical, becaue Android really was getting up to speed at the time.
Those that didn’t go for Androids went with either the newly released iPhone 4 or the older 3GS at that time. Nokia had nothing to offer in that timeframe. At least nothing that was captivating at all.
So, 2010 has been the turning point. Many people stepping into the smartphone world, yet not with Nokia’s. These people grew accustomed to Android or iOS and thus are staying with that. Whatever Nokia does other than Android (or iOS if possible) will be a hard task. Not only does Nokia hev to deal with their brand name being tarnished by their own doing, but they also have to pry people away from what they have grown accustomed to.
Eventhough the above is geared towards Europe, I do think it is applicable to other markets as well where Android and iOS are becoming stronger and stronger.
This
No you wouldn’t have….
You’ve always been 100% WP all the way.
That’s always been your agenda since very early on.
and how does that change anything?
perhaps you have something against his points? mind pointing them out?
“and how does that change anything?”
How does it change anything?
It changes everything….
If you dont understand why, I’m not going to waste time elaborating.
“perhaps you have something against his points? mind pointing them out?”
Oh they’ve been pointed out MANY times.
In very rational/reasonable/detailed terms.
But you can’t reason with such a person.
I’m quite surprised you’re oblivious to that.
Read his post to understand the context for my response.
Read his post to understand the context for my response.
I just don’t have the obsession he/others do to artificially skew the whole debate.
Which is why I CBF’d going into more detail refuting every single point he makes.
Why bother? It’s just not worth the time/effort.
I’ve seen many excellent corrections* to exaggerations & outright lies he’s propagated.
Yet he persists in posting truths, half truths, & pure speculation like it’s all one bag of truth.
Feel free to take him on-board as the source of all truth/knowing.
WP-only supporters will soon drown out everyone else anyway.
Tis just a matter of time and sheer inertia.
It’ll have little to do with the fidelity of their arguments.
At which point they’ll be free to re-write history as they chose.
*even tried to a few times myself.
Read his post to understand the context for my response.
I just don’t have the obsession he/others do to artificially skew the whole debate.
Which is why I CBF’d going into more detail refuting every single point he makes.
Why bother? It’s just not worth the time/effort.
I’ve seen many excellent corrections* to exaggerations & outright lies he’s propagated.
Yet he persists in posting truths, half truths, & pure speculation like it’s all one bag of truth.
Feel free to take him on-board as the source of all truth/knowing.
WP-only supporters will soon drown out everyone else anyway.
It’ll have little to do with the fidelity of their arguments.
Tis just a matter of time and sheer inertia.
At which point they’ll be free to re-write history as they chose.
*even tried to a few times myself.
I found it always extremely ridiculous if people repeat the stupid Elop statement that Meego wouldn’t be ready at time…expecially when looking at how “ready & advanced” WP was and is.
Sorry guys…but this argument = pure bullshit!
Yeh, Elop fixed that problem. Sort of. Nokia is no longer able to sell products like phones with WP just because they have Nokia logo on it.
what a witty one liner, you make your ma proud.
Flat screen computers would be tablets (Windows 8)
Hybrid devices, I think camera(pureview)+tablet and/or cellphones.
Hey Jorma! It’s good to see you finally leave Nokia. Now if you would just take that idiot Elop that you hired with you, Nokia might have some hope.
+1 million.
Too many Idiots on that executive board.
I’d give you 1.1+ Million Lumias, unfortunately all of them melted.
Inevitable comparison to RIM. Both companies are in great difficulties, but somehow I’m more excited about what RIM would bring out (wrt BB10) than Nokia. At least RIM has its own platform where it can innovate freely, whereas NOKIA does not have that freedom anymore.
WP8 might be nice after all but in the long run, Nokia can’t formulate and implement its own vision of what mobile will turn out to be: no disruption potential within Nokia anymore. Now Nokia is just as exciting as Samsung, which isn’t saying much.
is it me or this ceo is dumbass as well
wtf is the Nokia N900 is it not a smartphone/tablet hybrid and isn’t it the first one ever done and what about the Nokia N950 is that not a smartphone/tablet hybrid ?
3.5″ and 4″ screens do not a tablet make.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N900/
it was a HYBRID…-___- i owned the this devices from before
700,N800,N810 where tablets with Maemo 4 o and some other tablet OS
but the N900 was the first to have a Tablet with a Smartphone features
it was a Tablet OS with phone cababilities meaning it was a tablet smartphone from before no matter the size it was the functions that made it a hybrid
Well saying the n900 is a tablet smartphone hybrid would be an understatement, computer with mobile phone functionalities would be more appropriate
The earlier devices count as tablets yes, but the N900 has too small a screen to count.
no it doesn’t LOL it’s still considered at “Tablet” more like the predasessors “Internet Tablet”
so the N900 was infact a tablet/smartphone means OKP doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about -____-
Maybe he never even saw N900 under the pile of Symbian devices. That would explain alot
What nice place mnb has become eh?
Reminds me of mobile review forums, a place where the majority of people hanging out at Nokia forums are people who are just there just to troll and be negative about Nokia.
Now its dead.
Lets see how long mnb can last.
It wont last long…It will also sink like Nokia! or I would say with Nokia!
Mobilereview forums are all but dead now. What actually caused it???
it was pretty active back in 2010. dsmobile often frequent there.
i suspect it is because the moderators dont do their part and allow pointless trolling to occur.
kinda like here.
On MR the mods are some of the biggest trolls.
That brightspark moderator on mobilereview has to be one of the worst moderators i have seen on a forum.
Now its’s only a handful of~I will kill for Apple~ fanboys left or the ~i get an orgasm everytime I use an Android phone~ or the ~Symbian is shit but i will admit I never used it before~
Am glad it’s dead now. It serves Eldar right for being the biased twat he is…..
I am weary of instructing any level of moderation beyond spam removal, as one of the things I have tried to maintain is not to censor opinions and discussions. No matter how much I may disagree with an opinion it is left there. If people are antagonising I will try and calm them down and ask them to stop. In future, I may need to remove such comments but often I reach the discussions too late and a whole argument has already broken out.
It is on the whole, very pleasing to see most can conduct a fair and respectful conversation but I do notice there are some unfortunate individuals that prefer to antagonise.
I do particularly dislike those who present themselves as the bearer of truth and facts especially when such truth and facts are cherry picked to present one situation more than another. It also saddens why some people seem to be bitter 24/7, even on topics that have nothing to do with any strategies and is just one of those ‘oh that’s cool’ things, someone will always want to bring up something to whinge about.
You might have to take a different stance at some point, since the comment sections are turning more and more into something that resembles me of what monkeys do with their droppings at the zoo…
Been noticing the same, which I find quite sad. Still can’t understand why people wallow in sadness and let the misery ruin their visits to this blog. Petty.
i believe you and vijilopitta (sorry if i get it wrong)
both came from there no?
Been on both for quite some time, less so on MR though as of late (for a reason, there’s absolutely nothing there these days).
what makes them sure that everyone outside ( or even inside ) the USA will adapt winphone8? Is it because of the popularity Windows desktop? It might br the greatest Os ever built with the best Ui or so but convincing people it is the next “cool” thing or “to have” is another story.
Nokia must step up the Hardware in both design and geek specs for it to impress. Win8 Name alone will not sell them. Samsung has figured it out with its geek specs game. sure not everyone is buying the high end sg2 and note but it is there to make some noise for the rest of the other mid to low end “galaxy” line. Nokia themselves did this with the N95. Made a lot of “Noise” for the Nseries that trickled down to its lower handsets. This is regardless of how limited symbian was to lets say palmOS at the time. The PalmOs in the treos was way advanced in design and ui than symbian was. The Pim applications alone were no contest.
just visit gsmarena,a huge war is going on between nokia and samsung fanboys.
Today is big day for samsung fanboys.
Nokia still blindly missing the Meego boat.
Nokia executives still too slow and too stupid to support Meego.
Look what Blackberry did to their version :
Interesting – early days yet and they underlivered overtime on Playbook last year. But just postponed picking up a L710 to play with WP and see if I could live with it before getting one of the WP8 devices maybe in Autumn> Found myself quite interested in what they were showing, looks nice (TAT pretty cool bunch) they face a huge uphill task of course but could possibly (and never ever thought I’d say this) could see myself being interested in one of these BB10 devices maybe. A Blackberry, good Lord!
Wrong, they missed the Maemo boat by making it MeeGo.
+1
Keep spreading that FUD…
It’s been interesting watching you twist facts to suit your agenda.
In a sad kind of way….
How is that? The whole Moblin/Maemo merger cost precious time. Time that could have been spent making the N900 succesor come to market much faster. Time that could have been used to build the fabled ‘ecosystem’ for Maemo on their own.
MeeGo was just another one of Nokia’s worst decisions ever.
Absolute rubbish…..
Were you involved or assoc. with the project?
Not even a fraction of the focus had shifted to meego proper YET.
The slow-down occurred with Maemo6x….
And the fact that the whole thing started late & with too few resources initially (for maemo6x) didn’t help either.
How can you build app count w/o any fraking devices.
Meego proper was due to deliver devices in the 2H of this year.
Maemo6x would’ve delivered 3x before then…
Unless you have some kind of time machine.
There’s no way you or anyone could know there’d be zilch apps by now.
Not being around as long & not having quite as much money thrown at it as MS would’ve at WP over the same period,
ofc it wouldn’t have been as big as WP.
But it most certainly could’ve been vastly better than what we see for the N9 now.
Nokia could’ve walked and chewed gum…
They could’ve gone for a more watered down deal with MS.
They didn’t have to do a 100% WP-only for 5+ freaking years on a platform that at the point, was not hugely better-off than maemo6/meego.
Anyway this is pointless, migo will step-in & repeat some of the pure FUD he has previously, & the cycle will begin again.
Accept your tweaked history if it makes you all happy.
Really?
It was announced in 2010 and failed to bring any product to market. Tizen, its replacement, has only just gotten round to releasing a pre-Alpha view of its UI which has been roundly derided as an Android knock off.
The N9 on the other hand was released less than a year after Nokia took things back in house. It’s just a shame they wasted a year on this disastrous partnership.
Maemo 6 could have been a real contender… back in 2010. Too little too late.
If you had little to do with the project please don’t comment.
I am telling you…
It was not meant to bring devices until H2 2012 (at the latest).
That was all part of the long term plans, nothing special.
Building a OS from scratch (yes scratch) doesn’t happen in 6mth like you’re suggesting.
Which was the whole point of transitioning from Maemo6x to vanilla meego.
Took back in house, WTF are you talking about?
Maemo6x was always meant to be there…
There was always meant to be at least 2 maem6x devices before a move to meego proper.
It’s clear now a 3rd probably would’ve been needed to give medfield a bit more time.
But medfield wasn’t the only focus.
There was to be a mix of arm and medfield devices coming in H2 2012.
And you demonstrate your ignorance on the matter buy mentioning Tizen.
Which uses none of the same building blocks that were to go into meego.
The only relationship they share… Is that many of the same parties are involved, & organizationally they’re structured similarly.
“It was not meant to bring devices until H2 2012″
Right. Two years after the start. Too little, too late.
In the meantime they had the N9 out within 10 months of canning the whole sorry mess.
Tizen is MeeGo’s replacement not a continuation. That shows you how pointless the original product was. But hey, maybe they’ll have Tizen devices out in another two years, right?
I think we’re done here.
Tizen feels like just a sideproject for Samsung. Something to use if Android goes in a direction Samsung doesn’t like.
MeeGo only materializing in H2 2012 wouldn’t be too little too late for MeeGo, but it would be for Nokia.
What would they sell in the meantime? Symbian 3 based devices? Belle based devices? Anything up to midrange would probably be fine, but the high-end market would be pretty much lost until they could get some MeeGo devices out.
@Shilow: I’m not sure, but MeeGo wasn’t to be built from scratch right? Maemo was suited to merge with Moblin because of their Linux roots. Moblin for the tablet side and Maemo for the phone part, that was the plan. Qt was to be used as a dev environment. So building from scratch sounds a bit odd IMHO.
There’s quite a few wrong assumptions/points/conclusions in those last few posts.
If you give me a email address I’ll address them when/if I have time…
Unlike some self-anointed experts here, I actually have knowledge about the transition plan.
I’m no longer following this site….
When it comes to discussion of longer-term top-end devices from Nokia.
It’s increasingly becoming a “WP-only” zone…
Shilow : See you around, buddy.
Anyway I’m done with these silly debates.
Feel free to counter in my absence, I’m unsubscribing.
I don’t think I’ll be following this site any more.
There’s now just too many people prepared to manipulate facts/history to suite their agenda.
And it’s futile trying to correct them, not to mention frustrating reading it.
Nonsense, this isn’t about twisting the truth in a way to make Nokia’s Harmattan or Maemo or even MeeGo look bad. I’d have liked to see Nokia succeed with it in any way p[ossible.
However, refuting that the MeeGo move wasn’t time consuming in a situation were Nokia didn’t have that time is simply ignorant. AFAIK, Intel was supposed to bring smartphone grade Atom chips out with Moorestown. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqpVP414WJo&
Moorestown was supposed to be the first chip that MeeGo could run on. However, Intel failed miserably to really make a decent chip. Medfield is its succesor and way better at that, but far too late in the game.
I also recall that the roadmap for MeeGo (which Nokia was waiting on) only had the phone version of it ready very very late in the game.
This is not about tweaked history. It is about time wasted that Nokia did not have. Eventhough products weren’t meant for H1/2 2012 as you say, won’t you agree that that would have been far too late? As in really really late?
Regarding history twisting; the WP deal is for 4 or 5 years. (quick search doesn’t provide satisfactory results) Not 5+ as you suggest.
And to add to that, Nokia was talking about a 5 step plan for Maemo. The N900 was step 4/5 and Harmatten, which became the N9 after the failed MeeGo experiment, was to be step 5/5. Or in other words a mass market device.
N9 came *before* Meego. The Harmattan designs (switching to Qt) were announce months before Meego was launched.
Jep, like I said step 5/5. It only materialized after the MeeGo debacle. Eventhough it was in the works way before it. The N9 is just rebooted work from before the whole MeeGo deal after all.
Medfield came far too late for Nokia that is. It can still make a pretty impression in the smartphone world on its own.
Hybrid device of size 5.x ” running windows 8(NOT windows phone 8) will simply blow competition but knowing Samsung….Samsung will out spec Nokia in hybrid device also!
When nokia says “hybrid” it means a morph concept smartphone that can be stretched to a tablet. If this is true then its gonbe awesome
own OS is not important, as it was 5-7 yrs ago.
Automobile industry they use same transmissions, engines, active safetysystems..etc ,than competitors.
Marketing is expensive, but fast.
Inhouse r&d is expensive too, but slow.
I’m glad Jorma is positive about where they are going. Maybe he sees something we don’t. I for one would be pretty exited if they released WP8 with a swipe interface, pureview and the rest of the hardware features/build quality that Nokia has pioneered and is well known for. As it is, WP Mango doesn’t leverage on any of those except Nokia’s famed build quality and award winning industrial design. Unfortunately it seems like a deal breaker for the Lumia series to not have those other features like TV/HDMI out, USB OTG, BT File transfer, Nokia Rich recording, and some watered down version of pureview. As may be the case with those who came from symbian and have come to expect that set of features.
I agree that nokia shouldn’t play the hardware one-upmanship game but they do have to at least achieve parity on the screen and multi core front. CBD can give them a clear advantage in this and a muti core with a companion processor would be awesome with their imaging implementation. As it is their single cores don’t show that big of a difference in battery life compared with competitors.
I did have my hopes pinned on Meego as the N9 provides a wonderful experience with some positively exemplary virtues and I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of Maemo/Meego/Meltemi but I’m perfectly willing to go WP8 if those conditions above can be met. Truly WP Mango, past the tile screen is pretty and fluid beyond compare (..for other nokia phones anyway). It’s just that the functionality is a few steps back from what Symbian and Meego users may have been accustomed to expecting from Nokia.
Here’s desperately hoping that’s what Jorma sees in the horizon.
Elop screwed up on the burning platform memo, big time. His timing stinks, repeatedly, and that’s a gross understatement. Still he’s got some good qualities but not enough to be the dynamic CEO Nokia needs. Still, no point in changing him now. But it’s still the Board that is sanctioning this direction. And the same board that approved putting Meego in the back burner and understandably Symbian on the curb. Here’s desperately hoping too that they realize that the path to success is wide enough for more than one horse.
Good lord actually sounds like a balanced nuanced opinion.
+1
hybrid phones.. good
but the future is now..
if they wait till 2013 for launching them.. and the specs or the form factor will be obsolete..
The point is that Nokia is going to nowhere with gain and again repeated course of Windows. Cause this is irrelevant and stinking old crapp in mobile devices. Customers satisfaction is with Nokia N9 and PureView 808, while money are wasted on Windows. Nokia seems to care only for Unidentified Windows User UWU while customers who pay for Nokia stuff are unattended. I want MeeGo, perhaps new verision of Symbina, and I will not want any fuc..en Windows.
Just because you do not like WP please do not have the sheer arrogance to presume you speak on behalf of everyone else. I would suggest that customers want Pureview technology in their phones as opposed to another Symbian device that happens to have Pureview with it. That is my opinion, I do not hold it as a bastion of truth that must be forced on everyone. Thank you.
that’s the plan… miss the boat again!!
Later, in 2013, come out, make an educated statement about missing some more boats. Look executive and keep missing more boats.
Fredy : That makes two of us. Come out, people, you know who you are.
I don’t really think they plan to miss the boat(s) at this crucial juncture but they are certainly making mistakes they shouldn’t be making. Somebody there clearly needs an “MBA for idiots” book.
+1