Video: Nokia 808 PureView vs Samsung Galaxy S III
So… Samsung Galaxy SIII against the Nokia 808 PureView. We know at least one category the Nokia would win in hands down, no? Apparently 808 makes the Samsung pics amateurish. But this isn’t just a camera comparison anymore it’s about the full package.
The 808 holds its own. Again it has its target market.
by PhoneArena
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A beautiful device and the OS has matured considerable.
People still wants FART APPS! :/
Yep OS can’t be good if there isn’t 600 000 apps. How many average people will ever install?
And on Android how many can you install before you run out of local storage (talking about a typical device, plenty of apps still seem to prefer to use the internal rather than SD).
Do you need every web page on the internet?
Would you like to have an internet connection with access only to 5% of the web pages? Let’s say that 5% would be random pages.
That’s why it’s a very good idea to have a wide selection of applications. Let’s hope Windows Phone will succeed.
Overly simplistic (dumb frankly) analogy.
Yeah but so true.
Sorry.
The difference is that once u hit certain number of apps, they just start repeating. Ask Android or iOS developers how hard is to think of something new. In the place i work, 3 people have iPhones and one guy has SGS3. We often talk about smartphones, yet they never showed me an app which i really needed on Symbian and couldn’t find it (or something similar). One good exception is Photosynth, but that one is unavailable for Android aswell.
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On the other hand i remember how one of them received some threatening phone calls. I recommended him to download some phone recording app (which are common in Symbian). He said, there’s none for his iPhone. OS, which is unable to record calls ? But well, u have those fart apps instead!
You can’t have those so they are not needed?
You are a true believer.
prove me wrong.
That’s the funny part.
I can’t prove you need any applications. You can’t prove the 808 is too thick for me.
This is not about proving anything. This is a discussion and I’m sorry if I gave you an impression of any kind of a ultimate truth.
I just got a Galaxy Nexus to (probably) replace my N8. An example of what he’s saying is that the Galaxy Nexus has an app for my bank, with which I can deposit checks without going to a branch. It also has an app for the US music streaming service Pandora, although that app requires access to a lot of your personal information (something shared with many Android applications).
hexpoll: if the bank has an app, it probably has a mobile website? or u can just login to the internet website? unless u uses s40 with a small screen, navigating on the desktop site should probably not be difficult?
Sinple:
I could probably do some banking on the website, but not check depositing. I’m not saying that the 808 or the N8 are bad phones. To the contrary, they’re very good. There are just some significant drawbacks that go with them.
As a side rant: I can’t download Joikuspot in the USA now. I don’t know why, but that just makes me hate Nokia so much…
No, it’s not actually….
I just don’t engage in dumb debates.
The smarter peeps around will see the dumbness in your analogy.
That’s amusing enough for me…
Having more things to do with my time & all that bother.
Yeah.
Faith.
Something that was nice about the WWW when it was smaller, was that there were less advertisements bloating up web pages. Plus sites were designed to be useful first and foremost, rather than trying hard to clock up page impressions and climb search engine rankings.
Thanks for all the ads Google.
Another day, another browser cock fight not taking the Opera into the account. Symbian users always uses Opera.
Wow! 808′s screen looks actually better than Galaxy 3! Is it because Gakaxys battery pinching?
It’s because of Clear Black Display. SGS3 reflects quite much light.
‘Symbian users always uses Opera’
Not this one, i cannot stand it! Default browser works far better for me.
i prefer the default browser ever since anna
YEP SAME HERE BRO…opera is still and always will be too RAM needy and i don’t need that while browsing the net
During last weekend I was lucky enough to use SIII and my 808 at the same time. I would still pick my 808 if I needed to make the decision now
Yes, I am a little bit slanted towards 808, but as Jay mentioned “it has its target market” and I’m one of those who is happy with their purchase.
battery comparison? which better?
and take the screen brightness and stand by time into the consideration.
i love nokia 808 pureview..
Honestly and put simply, this review is horrid.
I didn’t watch the video as I’m on my way out right now, but you can’t really claim that the 808 is a better phone now can you? Android is the closest to Symbian there is in terms of openness, usability and general features, and the S3 is no slouch in terms of features…….
Nokia 808 fared much better against iPhone 4S, because all the limitations and disadvantages iPhone 4S has. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qc8kP3Ickyk
SGS I, II, III all lags in everyday use “from experience” as Android is the shitest OS when it come to resources management. + no one will support/updates this phone after max 1 year ” S1 & S2″ as an example
fk this shit
To be fair nexus is always updated so blame the OEMs
He doesn’t know what he is talking about for he most part.
The only real down side to the 808 is the browser..
The Opera.
do you know that Opera is on android too? and it’s faster because of the more powerful CPU…
I’m not so much into this browser measurement fixation. I’m just noting, that 808 isn’t unusable in web browsing either because of Opera. Every review fails to note this.
Yea, because those 0.1 seconds will save your life. Wake up dude, in few months there will be newer smartphones with much better HW than your new SGS3. But 808 will be unmatched camera-wise for next several years.
Yeah, unless you compare the 808 to the compacts.
The 808 can’t beat compacts while using real 12x zoom. A compact can take 3000p with 12x while the 808 does only 360p while zooming 12x.
Unfortunately the 808 is a camera with some low end smartphone features.
“Low end smartphone features” oh please!
Mention a couple of features that are missing in the 808? And I mean real features, not some missing apps.
http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/808pureview/specifications/
Availability of a wealth of applications *are* features.
No one is using these 12x zooms on compacts anyway. It was “trendy” few years ago, but once people learnt that 12x zoom also has very low aperture and that their sensors were not big enough to compensate it, they better don’t use more than 3-5x zoom. Also, these ultrazooms tend to have really bad picture quality, as a result of too many (and cheap) optical parts.
So, the 808 can’t do it so it have to be useless?
Now wait! The 808 has 12x zoom while shooting a low resolution video. You would probably hate to be able to shoot 1080p with 12x.
Sure.
Of course it would be great if u can shoot 1080p with 12x (with a tripod of course). But even if it’s available on compacts, it is almost useless because of things i mentioned.
Its a good smart phone. It has NFC, good call quality, FM radio and transmitter, navigator, good battery life(I would like to see stand by tests though), and the best pocket camera + stunning video camera and audio recorder. 12x zoom isn’t very compact and certainly not always in your pocket(I have Canons 12x zoom camera AND a couple of years old Canons G-range camera), and still 808 has bigger sensor than them. 808 beats those cameras in quality.
Its a fantastic and different combination of features.
How many of those compacts have a decent 12x zoom?
Thats right, NONE OF THEM.
Honestly, the only way you can get a decent optical zoom of that range is to buy a DSLR, and you’d be talking a minimum of £500 (probably way, way more) to get close to that zoom range. Plus the cost of the body.
12x zoom compacts are rubbish fully extended, small aperture, sensors smaller than in the N8, let alone the 808.
In the real world where image quality matters, the 808 absolutely whups compacts, heck – even the N8 bettered a lot of compact cameras.
Sure, the 808 have to be the best with the 360p it can produce at 12x. That’s while the PureView effect is lost and the active sensor size is roughly 1% of the original.
Sure it’s the best.
That’s if you use some ancient compact.
I think you’re referring to the Travel Zoom compacts and those take horrible pictures… and their sensors are tiny…. like 1/2.3″
The 808 currently has the 2nd biggest sensor in a “pocketable” compact the Sony RX100 which is almost reaching its release date has a 1″ sensor (its a lot bigger not exactly pocketable)
and it only has a 3.6X zoom
next on the block in terms of competing is the Canon S100 which has a 1/1.7″ sensor (slightly bigger than the N8) and that only has a 5X zoom
not only that but the effective mpx rate drops drastically when those compacts zoom
for instance the RX100 goes from a 20mpx camera to a 10mpx camera on full zoom + the image becomes blurry still
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=41894384
Are you trying to tell me that the effective resolution is allways below 360p when zoomed 12x?
That’s what the 808 can produce. It can’t pass the 360p barrier at 12x no matter how much light it gets.
It’s highly unlikely that even the cheapest 12x compact would produce 360p effective every time you use it.
Sorry. The cropping zoom just can’t match a real optical zoom.
Yea because NFC, a satnav, an FMTX, and a 41MP camera are low end smartphone features…
Sorry those other high end smartphones don’t have a dedicated camera button. Sorry those other high end smartphones don’t display a sleep screen clock. Sorry those other high end smartphones don’t feature usb OTG.
Please tell me what makes the 808 a low end smartphone. Is it the small app store? Okay, the average user doesn’t even use it much. I work in retail and 90 percent of people tell me they are only worried about facebook. Facebook. Out of all the apps in the apps store. It’s usually already loaded into the phone anyway.
The browser is the only thing I believe is Nokia’s hindrance. Both the fp1 and opera browser is incomparable to Safari. But it doesn’t make it unusable.
It’s funny to see 808′s compared to standalone cameras too. It shows that the camera phones stand no chance against it so you have to compare it to standalones. The highest zoom I have in my store is 4x zoom. FOUR. Next up are DSLRs. It’s been said time and time again, the best camera is the one that’s with you. Women don’t carry a compact anywhere they go. They have purses for things like that and they still don’t carry it everywhere. I guarantee they have their phone with them though.
So keep complaining about the 12x zoom your phone isn’t capable of. Keep complaining about the low end features your phone is incapable of.
You almost said it.
Those are geek features. USB-OTG, NFC and various other improvements rarely used by an average user.
Not everyone downloads applications and yet people prefer applications over the geek features. No wonder Nokia has been losing market share.
Yeah, a phone almost 3/4″ thick fits nicely into that purse. That’s why the competition is destroying Nokia.
The only reason anyone is comparing the 808 with a compact is the just because it’s better used as a compact. One without a zoom.
Only 4x? Really?
Oh so because the other handsets out there don’t have it, they’re just geek features..I see. In that case browsers are geek features because no one ever uses that. Why use browser when you can just download the app?
Have you seen the 808 samples? I can understand being skeptical but to just completely bash and hate as if it’s terrible and unusable is ridiculous. Digital zooming works amazing from the demos I’ve seen.
You’re right though. This is a geek phone. It’s not gonna compete with iPhones. It’s built for the core Nokia users that love photography. I’m not arguing that people need this phone because in reality it’s all personal preference. My preference is to have a great camera phone. Others just want the apps. My argument is that you or anyone else can’t come bash my phone for not having many apps when it is completely capable of doing things your phone can do on top of things your phone can’t do.
A browser is a piece of software, and that means it can be fixed. I also got UC Browser. Very good alternative
UC Browser is probably one of the worst pieces of software I’ve ever used in, well, ever.
Eye-clawingly awful.
hate the design that Samsung follows up on every device. Boring piece of crap starts from the mediocre range to a tag line device as S3. Android just seems to be a modified copy of symbian. Almost same. Even thoug the core features on pure view is just amazing. Big screen and just to narrate dual core false marketing only. And support of these devices; they are sad stories. I use symbian , S^3 To NOKIA BELLE is a sweet piece of adventure. Those gingerbread and froyo. They are still there. Unupdated. Galaxy has many pieces of falling stars as there are in this galaxy too. Lol. Whatever it may be i would always love Nokia and symbian. Android is just a heavy data traffic monster. A buggy daily soap with lots of advertisement. Hate it.
The only thing going for Nokia now is PureView!
Ha..PhoneArena..
you can’t take those Nokia bashing wankers seriously
1) he goes on about the 808 “stuttering”..eh? but while he’s using it its silky smooth
2) the wanker says that because “3rd party apps can replicate” the lock screen clock that round goes to SGS3..eh?! since when can you give point to something you dont get out of the box!
3) Wanker barely even Mentions NOKIA DRIVE!
ergh
Guess who wins there everytime fukwit
4) no Mention of call quality and calrity..ha..”smart”phone comparison
PhoneArena are a sorry joke
I was about to comment on some of these points myself TBH (although with fewer uses of “wanker” probably
).
I found the whole video disappointingly lazy. Yes, it is possible to get Symbian to stutter, but I’ve done that to all phones. AND he said it while operating Belle incredibly smoothly, which makes them seem unprofessional and biased to the casual observer who ISN’T even a big Nokia fan like (some of) us.
Other lazy points: mentions “lock screen clock” as if that’s all it does. No mention of the notification icons (very useful for Gravity if using Sleeping Screen too), which were all part of Nokia’s “glanceability” attempts in UI design; carried through to the N9 [and I expect WP8 at some point).
And finally, the lazy video segment, where they don't even bother to play the same video files (-_-)...
P.S. Would just like to mention how cheap and plasticky the S3 felt the first I held it too; almost dropped it out of disgust. The camera hump and thickness may mean S3 would have one out on that front anyway, but I don't think the cheapness of the S3 was pointed out enough [last time I was than taken aback by the cheap feel of a very expensive device was when I touched an N96].
yeah that was the worst review/compare ive seen from phonearena although his conclusions are kind of fair its almost like he wasnt the one playing with the phone and just read out a script
Ammad…This comparison was basically meant as a side by side, at a glance review. If someone wants the details of this device, or the SGSIII, PhoneArena has those on their site and YouTube.
The SGSIII will appeal to some, the 808 to others. Daniel did the full review of the 808 last week and gave it a 8.5 score, which is favorable.
But, since you say PhoneArena is a joke, you can discount the high rating that they gave the Nokia 808.
My apologies for the colourful language fella’s, heard some unreasonable points being talked about and sorta just saw red.
galaxy s3 is obiviously a better device overall ,808 is kinda niche device.symbian has ofcourse improved a lot but still behind competition.also i dont agree that galaxy s3 feels cheap,it may not be a looker but doesnt feel cheap as say the s2 or other plasticky device.
808 is overall at least as good as Galaxy obviously. As a phone they are as good, or if either has better call quality, Nokia has reputation of good quality and long lasting stand by times in its side, but these are oddly non-issues in the mobile industry as the media is not interested in them nowadays. As a camera 808 completely destroys every Galaxy there is, combined. As a media device they are roughly equal(808 has Radio receiver and transmitter), as a computer Galaxy is a lot better, but that doesn’t need to be stuffed down our throats every time, and depending on your needs, the 808 might suffice in that respect too.
It was only a little while ago, when Android didn’t have many apps and the quality was lacking. Apps are still being made for the iPhone first, and sometimes, rather often the Android ones get cancelled, and Android lacks for example music making software(which is why I went to iPhone). And despite the media hegemony and analysts, the mobile gaming still sucks. Even here in iPhone, and current pricing models seems to be dragging down the promising start. The “best” examples are worrying, and I’m currently worried, that I don’t get any kind of ambitious games for my $700 in its prime time, which ends this year, when I still have one year left to pay it.(fortunately, at least the music software is amazing!!!)
Those lacking apps, as well as difficulties with the Androids fragmentation, which should have been frightening aspect for the investors and customers of the OS, didn’t seem to bother any one, as certain very rich families made investments into it(Google in every ones pocket!? Fine with me!!!!!!! Take everything you need from the vault), and they also happen to own the whole media as well as Google(idk for sure, but Google owns Android, so its not so relevant for this matter who owns the google, they have at least been cooperating in the past though)(which is disgusting). So why would you consider those apps the most important aspect of a phone now? Because the money wants to keep popular things popular and stop competition, and if you own media and control information, its only too easy too keep it popular.
Listen to the parroting all over the world. Same sentences coming from every mouth, word to word. Its almost as if even the customers want to stop competition!
Guys.. Guys.. Don’t feed the troll although he’s a polite one.
He believes 808′s camera is a half-assed product compared to compacts cam and 808 doesn’t has smartphone capabilites. No matter what argument you have, he will insist.
Just let him be.
I’m beginning to think you’re right.
Shame.
COmparing the Compact Travel Zooms to the 808 is very apples and oranges.
Does this hypothetical 12x zoom have more reach?
Absolutely!
Does it have a much smaller sensor with more noise at high ISO than the Pureview?
Check that!
Does it have a far slower lens at ANY focal length the 808 supports?
Roger that!
Both devices work superbly in their designed use.
But they are designed for different uses.
I submit that the Nokia camera is more aptly compared to the likes of the Olympus XX-1, Panasonic LX5, Ricoh GRD et al…
Fast lensed high-end compacts.
NONE of these have 12x zoom.
All of these have fast lenses with little to no zoom and produce excellent IQ.
here is review comparing the Pureview to the excellent LX5
http://asia.cnet.com/shootout-nokia-808-pureview-vs-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx5-62216561.htm
Their conclusion?
“Overall, we think that the Nokia PureView is capable of replacing your regular compact camera, where image quality is concerned. The smartphone impressed us with its excellent low-light performance and image detail which we attribute it to its large 41-megapixel image sensor. However, don’t discount the LX5 yet as it provides manual controls and more accurate white balance. Shutterbugs who prefer the ergonomics and the speed of using a conventional camera’s physical button interface–in terms of dedicated buttons and custom settings–should still turn to a dedicated digital camera.”
That says it all.
BTW I have the GRD 3 and the XZ-1 plus an N8.
In good light guess which gets used more?
The N8, smaller lighter, more discrete.
With comparable IQ.
Guess who is getting the 808?
Great post there, Lili. And good review quote too.
High-end compacts have their merits, as do travel zoom compacts too. As does the 808. All could be one’s compact of choice depending on what features and compromises are seen as preferable.
If you really must 12x zoom a lot with a small camera, get one for that. If you don’t need a phone in your camera and especially if you can live with a larger pocketable, there are some very good compact cameras out there – more physical controls, burst, focus on the camera alone, some optical zoom etc. And compacts too will continue to improve.
If yoi want great, great image quality at a relatively small physical size and might or do benefit from have a smartphone in it as well, perhaps even just occasionally when you want to leave the main phone home and share pics on the go still, the 808 is definitely in the game – even as your only pocket camera.
BTW I completely get your love of the N8. Over the two years it has seen a lot of camera use and I always love it when I have N8 pics to work with instead of e.g. my Sony compact pics with horrible color balance, lense distortions and overall poorer quality. The Sony does have better zooming and physical controls for quick snapping, but other than that the N8 is great and the main phone can stay home… of course with bigger gear I get better results, but N8 already gave pocketables some run for their money. 808 adds the ante, although of course a niche device.
Yeah, that’s the point.
The 808 is not making compacts obsolete or the other way around.
There is no single superior device. I may buy a 808 one of these days. It’s a nice camera.
No, but it may replace compacts for some people.
The real threat to compacts is the camera phone overall. It may make then obsolete eventually. The 808 quality is another nail in that possible coffin. Many manufacturers are already focusing more on mirrorless and other a little larger cameras because that is where the camera market is moving in response to the threat from the camera phone.
It sure does replace some compacts. That’s what I have been telling you guys.
I don’t understand what’s your problem with this.
Was I disagreeing with you in the post above? I don’t think so. I have said the same thing all along.
Just adding to the conversation.
Yeah, let’s add it’s 17.95mm thick and I don’t have a box in my pocket.
Just adding to the conversation.
No, now you’re just being an ass.
I don’t know about you, but I see conversation as a give and take. I offer my points, you yours, and both try in (hopefully mostly) good faith to find the common ground. This way the conversation can teach both and advance mutual understanding, instead of being a right-fight which usually ends up only being a fight.
You offered good points on the zooming needs of some in our earlier discussion, hence I added those those subsequent responses. Like the one above (which discusses the pros and cons of three: travel zoomers, high-end compacts and the 808. All are compromises on some different levels.) That is part of the give and take – and it was the right thing to do.
This thickness issue is actually a good example why there is no reasoning with you. You can not give in an inch. When I offer rationale behind my thinking, you ignore it. I actually have the 808 in my pocket and it does not take 17,95 mm in that pocket, except for a fraction of the phone. Yet you ignore that point.
It would have been the easiest thing for you, early on in this debate, or at any time, to acknowledge my point and take something from it in your subsequent comments. And I do think it would have been the fair thing to do as well. Semantics aside, I think any objective observer would agree the 808 is not taking 17,95 mm thickness in a pocket for the majority of it. I think you too would agree when you think about it. Mentioning this when discussing its thickness is the fair and right thing to do.
The saddest or funniest (depending on the perspective) thing is that we both agree the 808 is a fat device with a limited target audience. We agree on the Symbian arguments almost to the point, I freely give you this. But you insist in such a way, on so many points never giving an inch, that many have now concluded you merely a troll.
You have to give people credit where credit is due in order to get them to listen. You have various good points of yours being drowned in your need to just be right and stick to it. Nobody is right all the time. That’s why discussion needs to be a give and take.
You are somehow trying to argue the 808 is not 17.95mm thick while you agree it’s 17.95mm thick.
You are also ignoring my points about measuring height. This is while insisting how I should agree the 808 is not as thick as it is. How tall is a car? Sure, you think it’s not the same and we know the reason.
The problem is that I’m talking about thickness and you are talking about how much space it takes.
I’m not talking about how much space it takes. I’m talking about how thick the 808 is.
Let’s have another point of view. I have been discreet about the hump but maybe we have to talk about how it feels like.
The hump feels incredibly uncomfortable if it’s pressing against my leg. This is a phone you have to be careful with if you put it into a pocket. You have to make sure the display is facing the leg. If it isn’t, it’s uncomfortable.
I bet it would feel better if the body of the phone was 17.95mm thick.
I give up, you won’t give in an inch. And you have discussed earlier how much space the 808 takes – its top thickness according to you back then.
A flexible pants pocket is not a garage for a car. You keep making the wrong comparison. Apples and oranges. In a flexible garage the varying thickness of a car would matter!
But you have to be right all the time. Have it your way, there is no way discussing anything with you.
And I’m stupid that way – I don’t play the same game. I again freely admit the hump needs to be placed outward and that you have a good point there. I don’t agree wholly thick would be as good because in reality putting it certain way in is not a problem, but I agree partly.
See, it is not that hard. The give and take.
Look.
Just think about a ball.
Because of its roundness, the 808 is actually more comfortable in pocket than iPhone at least. Its also super vastly more comfortable in hands, especially when you are taking photos. The bumb is also quite a bit less remarkable than what I initially feared based on pictures. It acutally looks good to me…so much perhaps, that it might be sexiest looking phone right now in my eyes. Of course, when you want something very much, it often also starts to look more appealing.