FOSS Patents explains the news on Nokia, RIM, Nexus 7, HTC patent drama
I haven’t been paying attention to the legal side of Nokia news regarding who Nokia is suing or who is suing Nokia. Mostly because I don’t know enough about the situation to talk about it. In fact, because of that, I think I’ve missed quite a bit so here’s a heads up from Florian Mueller and the FOSS Patents blog.
Most recently hitting the headlines – Nokia suing RIM.
Also covered in Engadget, Nokia are suing RIM for the following three patents:
- EP1474750 on a “method and system for storing and transferring multimedia tags”
Nokia is also asserting this one against HTC in Mannheim.
- EP08040461 on a “method and apparatus for updating the software of a mobile terminal using the air interface”
- EP1148681 on a “method for transferring resource information”
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/nokia-hits-rim-with-three-more-patents.html
Some kind of drama going on between HTC and Nokia.
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/frand-hallucination-htc-raises-frand.html
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/in-response-to-nokias-itc-complaint-htc.html
Nokia and the Google Nexus 7 tablet
This is that remarkable tablet – apparently each sold makes a loss but that doesn’t matter because that’s not google’s way of making money. They’d ideally be giving all this for free because they capture the market through ads from their services. Anyway that’s not what they’ve said, it’s just what I’ve garnered reading posts and comments about the tablet.
Specifically the Nokia related situation is that apparently, neither ASUS (maker of this tablet) and Google (Android) have licensed under Nokia’s patent portfolio. I think I missed precisely what patents were in question but Florian says, “It looks like Google and ASUS still have some homework to do”
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/06/googles-new-nexus-7-tablet-apparently.html
Another one I wasn’t even aware of or my amnesia is on replay:
One time Apple payment to Nokia and then some on going royalties.
http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/06/apple-and-nokia-settle-patent-dispute.html
Anyone know how much Nokia is getting in terms of royalties? I’ve heard rumours but nothing substantial.
Cheers all for the tip.
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Nokia against the HTC is pretty lame/evil/puppet as it only going after HTC on android devices and not HTC WP devices….
What is Nokia suing HTC for? Is it something Android specific?
no, generic User interaction patents.
WP part is likely already covers under the Nokia – MS patents license agreements.
#Note software patents are lame evil and most of the time pathetic, they cover the most trivial obvious things that any person presented with a similar problem would solve in a similar way. This patent wars cost the user in the long run, benefit the companies marginally, and only give millions to patent layers. The US software patent system is a mess. We need to keep fighting them in Europe and the rest of the world.
Well, under Elop there is clear sub-plan to turn Nokia into patent troll and thus help MS the fight against Android. This, btw, pretty much closes door to any theoretical usage of Android after WP is ditched.
Why is protecting your property called trolling? Is IBM a troll company for being mainly R&D & Licencing? While I might not agree with some generic ( software & design ) patents, I do think that companies have a right to defend their R&D work.
I agree for example the patent law suit with apple, nokia was defending real patent portfolio licensed under FRAND, becouse apple was simply not paying stuff that was not trivial and developed by Nokia.
But lately the sort of patents it as been using are the BS ones, and mostly used in Microsoft’s war against android with little benefit to Nokia, example the barnes&noble agreement with Microsoft were Nokia patents played a vital role securing the deal for Microsoft.
You guys just don’t see the bigger picture. The industry has changed, it is no longer the gentle industry where everyone agreed to pay for IP and buy IP.
In this new era, Nokia has to play with the new rules. Simple!
Additionally over the last three years Patent selling has become a real money maker. It would be foolish for a company that has so much IP not to monetize it!
The only thing that changed is that some companies can’t keep up with the competition any longer, and after Elop teamed up with MS Nokia is one of them. It also strongly implies Nokia knows very well there wont be any miraculous super phone, for which people will be falling over themselves to have it. Otherwise Nokia wouldn’t waste resources on these silly litigations and rather demolished others just by selling phones that people want.
And if somebody thinks he can kill better competing product, which more than half of the planet like, thorough courts, she is very mistaken, only thing this madness can bring is serious patent reform. And that would be good thing.
Yeah, Google do evil, right…
Seems like Nokia uses their own IP in their WP and Symbian devices, which is the antithesis of patent trolling.
Using someone elses IP without permission? Expect to be sued – it’s simple, really.
Except that is impossible to do what ever on software this days without using patented stuff. Anything you see on a computer screen as been covered by some sort of pathetic patent.
Plus its not even trivial to find out what patents you are infringing wen you create a simple button on a webform.
Software piracy and patent infringement is a evil and as partners we have to kill it and w have to screw up android any form of software that is so called open source crap…..
these open source trolls are lame ducks trying to steal on others hard earned IP
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/14/apple-nokia-patent-case
royalties just from apple
one of payment of 800 million euros,
and ongoing 8 euros per iphone
[Nokia's chief executive, Stephen Elop, said: "This settlement ... enables us to focus on further licensing opportunities in the mobile communications market."]
if u look at old nokia R7D it was radio hardware software and UI and lots of bullshit
now Elop’s nokia is all about Radio Tech, hardware and essential protocol software and licensing … alongwith platform OS patents of old nokia … Nokia can be huge R7D powerhouse and ultimately end of like another IBM
it is not nokia agianst the htc….but elop against htc….former nokia ceo ,Kalle Isokallio that ‘patent concerned’ as elop….MS is only trying to use nokia to compete against android cos of the many patent they have
Which if Android is using someone else’s patent, they should be paying or blocked for use. This is nothing compared to Apple vs Google. The nexus tablet is superior in attracting botnet malware,Trojans and the coming Android malware PANDEMIC. This could destroy Android users safety. A huge CRISIS.
FUD??? completely out of context, sure malware and virus that what killed windows, right…. O but it did not…
MS & WP also infringes on lot of Nokia patents. That is one of the reasons why MS signed a cross-licensing deal with Nokia as well..
Android is the Windows of mobile. Windows still has 90% of market even though it is in your terms “attracting botnet malware,Trojans and malware PANDEMIC”. That hasn’t stopped people from going for Windows PCs and also won’t stop mobile users from Android. Also, if given a choice of overpriced Apple product, a opinionated microsoft product (with most not liking it) and Android available for various specs\price-point, majoriy will indeed go for Android and the current mobile market share shows that..
Okey , here it goes … remember how horrible the scrolling used to be in early s^3 builds .. ? after settling the lawsuit with apple (which was about the lie that Apple invented the double antenna tech )
Nokia got royalties and patent privileges from Apple most notably the scrolling effect delivered in PR1.2 I think on the N8 , you can also see glimpses of patent free passes from apple when you work on the N9 which basically improves on what the Iphone is simplicity wise and specially local search , scrolling , folders , Camera App (almost identical buttons even identical animations (when you change from portrait to landscape )
the patents Nokia sues for are actually inventions that aren’t general , Like OTA witch Symbian is the first to actually apply it (I do OTA back when there was no Iphones or androids.)
how is it that tomiahonen is anathema while this little shill is okay ?
I don’t think Florian is a shill. He’s just reporting and explaining, with no agenda on how certain companies must do their day to day activities.
FOSS patents doesn’t just talk about Nokia, but IP related stuff in general.
If you can be specific, please do so and explain why Florian is a ‘little shill’.
Thanks.
Florian does have an agenda against Google.you probably know this but let’s act as if we don’t for your personal agenda
Really? Links and quotes please.
Perhaps I’ve not read enough of his work for that to come across.
I’ll be more aware of this in future. Thanks for the heads up.
Florian Müller is an lobbyist.
Last time i search his blog i found that he worked for Oracle and Microsoft.
If i remember correctly Oracle used him surounding the trial against google over Java.
And i think Microsoft used him on FRAND patents and many other things.
But i recommend that you search through the blog to find out for your self.
I wouldn’t call him independent or working with no agenda hes an lobbyist.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Florian+M%C3%BCller+lobbyist
Summary of an quick google search.
He actually worked against software patents in EU before an he did beat the big companies that were trying to promote them, thats when they found him and begun to use him, because he did beat them at there own game.
Hes known to work against open source software.
Thanks for the info. That is quite surprising. It wasn’t something that I thought came through in his writing. I did think notice he was at times vocal about Android but briefly looking at other work, being frank seemed to be his style.
I just thought of him as a relatively fair resource on learning about patent issues – especially since he’s also cited a lot by other blogs (then again, same said blogs also cite ElMu). Wiki shows he’s quite quite a fair bit of history there.
Not really encountered any childish remarks, insults, personal attacks from Florian unlike another mentioned analyst so I guess he’s a little bit more ok on that regard.
Hes good at what he do but don’t forget what he really does.
Hes professional, really intelligent and writes real good.
I don’t think he will ever be childish or make that kind of mistakes.
he’s still blinkered by the company he is sponsored by, that’s being a professional shill.
I can agree to that.
i never thought i would see the day when nokia became a patent troll.
I guess it only takes a google giving out software for “free” full of other companies IP to make that change happen…
Haters will hate.