WSJ interviews Stephen Elop – bringer of the PureView? Reflection on Nokia’s challenges.

| July 27, 2012 | 101 Replies

It appears we missed this post when it appeared last Wednesday at WSJ. It’s an interview with Stephen Elop. Many things common knowledge though a few interesting snippets too.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/07/18/nokia-ceo-reflects-on-phone-makers-challenges/

Here are some key points:

  • Nokia a landscape of unpolished gems (too true. So many good things)
  • Many great R&D efforts not landing into products
  • Patent portfolio need to show up in the products
  • Waxy build up of Symbian. Innovation couldn’t land quickly enough.
  • Saw PureView weeks within showing up at Nokia and saw it as ground breaking.
  • PureView was struggling to break through, failing to appear in products 5 years before (Elop had been consistent mentioning amazing things at the labs he wants to see in actual Nokia products, not just festering in R&D. He mentioned that the N8 is fantastic but that’s just a fraction of what he’s seen at Nokia’s R&D labs. So true, no?)
  • (Question is, what contribution, if at all, did Elop have to bringing PureView to market as opposed to letting it stay in labs?)
  • Elop imagines Nokia’s fortunes if they had such technologies earlier. I believe a similar post was going around showing that Nokia had iPhone and iPad years before iPhone and iPad but they never made it out.
  • Elop talks about Nokia innovation where a letter pops up whilst you’re typing a letter to confirm you’ve typed it. Elop says that’s a Nokia innovation, designed and patented by Nokia but never made it to a Nokia, instead appearing on some Apples.
  • Many things Nokia invested in, patented but Symbian represented a barrier in landing the products quickly enough.
  • On spending so much more on R&D than Apple:  Investment and development of products is the lifeblood – critical to anyone’s future.
  • Elop now focusing how R&D is spent. Instead  of seeing Symbian products a year to begin with, by the time they appeared to consumers, they were already 2 years outdated (too true. Remember those super long development times? We just accepted it takes Nokia 18 months to make a phone. By time of announcement there’s also a 6 month gap to release).
  • WSJ praises Nokia’s past of ing the innovators and trendsetters but now says that is no longer the case.
  • Elop replies,

“To the extent that any company believes that they get to define consumers wishes or they get to define an industry, therein lies the recipe for failure. At the end of the day no one gets to do that other than the consumers making the purchases”

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/07/18/nokia-ceo-reflects-on-phone-makers-challenges/

  • (Nokia’s past has been troubled with plenty of arrogance and incompetence. Because they had previously tried and failed with touch screen, then did not see the threat from iPhone. How could anyone apart from Nokia set the trend? Erm, hello, the clamshell phones?  Nokia rest on laurels too much of great past performance and did not react quickly enough to both external and internal challenges. )
  • Elop wants a challenger mindset (Note, to stay on top, like the current superiors, Apple/Sammy, you must keep fighting. Never taking a break. Always striving to improve so the competition is always playing catchup).
“Let’s understand that we have to fight, we have to fight our way through the difficulties, we have to listen to consumers, we have to both deliver what they need and also have some creativity and insight and deliver what the don’t yet know they need.”
  • Clamshell fiasco noted (that saw a massive rise of motos and Samsungs in the UK. Same for US). Lack of dual SIMs in India also noted. (We see here Nokia not reacting quickly enough!!) Finally touch. If Nokia didn’t do it, Nokia thought it wouldn’t happen.
Source: wsj
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  1. Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

    The 808 was always going to be released in 2012 as the flagship for Carla with a higher resolution screen and a newer chipset. Elop dropped the plans for the higher resolution screen & the new chipset.

    • jr says:

      he didn’t drop anything.. stop blaming everything on him. This phone has been in development for a very long..at that time there were no dual cores or hd screens .. Elop just made sure they released the phone which has already been in developed. If he dropped plans on the original phone it would have taken them 8 months to get that into another phone..

      • SLAYER says:

        the camera technology needed 5 years, not the phone. but anyway dropping support for a newer chipset and high resolution seemed inevitable considering nokia’s financial situation.

        • jr says:

          I dint say 5 years .. but 8months .. if they dropped support for the original design they needed at lest 8months to get a new phone out

          • Viipottaja says:

            +1 I also believe this to be true: had they pursued a dual-core and HD screen for the 808 even further 808 would not be in the market today. I have some info from someone who was very a part of the Symbian development team for years and years on how they struggled to make up their minds on what hardware to go with etc.

            Btw, I guess its also its OK to reveal another piece of info I have held back for almost couple of years now: one reason for the Anna delay had to do with the “non-Nokia/non-Symbian per se” drivers (not sure if that’s the right term) of a key component provider which were being updated/bug fixed/whatever and took forever to get right.

      • Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

        Sorry to burst your bubble. The initial tech was being developed on the nHd screen but in 2010 when plans for Carla was being finalized, 808 was scheduled to get the higher resolution screen and a newer chipset. This was later dropped in the strategy change.

        • jr says:

          Where is the source of your claim that the inital tech was develop on an nHD screen? an why doesnt the n9 have hD screen or dual core.. oh wait Elop stoped that too.. some of you are just pathetic. If he kills the HD screen and dual core why did he allow Pureview and Rich recording?

          • Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

            N9 & N950 was always going to be designed for 480X854 resolution.

            If he kills the HD screen and dual core why did he allow Pureview and Rich recording?

            Many don’t know this but the PV tech was tried on a WP7.x device but the chipset list supported by WP wasn’t found powerful enough. Also, those techs were almost finished and Nokia wanted some return. Do you think if WP was able to handle the techs, Nokia would have released a Symbian version?

            some of you are just pathetic

            Keep such statements to yourselves. We too can use it but don’t want to..

        • Viipottaja says:

          I’ve heard of constant/multiple/repeated tech-road map and vendor preference changes over the years, some of which for sure had nothing to do with the strategy change per se.

        • deep space bar says:

          it was dropped cause elop killed symbian…the road map even said so from a while back carla Now on the 808 and Donna with dual core which is funny cause WP is getting it now and symbian being tossed to shit….notice anything funny…the dates when Donna/Dual core Symbian phones where schedualed before

      • xxx says:

        Nokia N95 is a dual core phone. Long time before any android phone. Elop is an evil.

        • Viipottaja says:

          ??? Really? Or do you mean it had hardware 3D acceleration which, in a puzzling manner, Nokia then dropped from follow up models?

        • toermel says:

          Come on… it is/was in no way a dual core phone like it had two identical CPU cores (that’s how you define “dual core”). And please explain me how Elop could have managed to release the unfortunate iterations of the 5800 when he was not there?

          You all seem to forget that old Nokia really screwed it up. It was excusable that they didn’t see the success of the first iPhone. But then old Nokia failed to transform Symbian into an OS for touch screens. May it be forgiven. But then they did the N8 and the first version of Symbian^3. Whilst the N97 destroyed a lot of mindshare, the N8 might have turned it around… BUT… well, we all remember how we all have waited for Anna just to go on waiting for Belle. Symbian had the chance to show what it could… but it never did.

          • JGsmartypants says:

            No, Elop is to blame for the 5800 too. And the N97. And climate change. That’s how it goes for the Symbian/MeeGo diehards who confuse what excites geeks with what sells phones

            • migo says:

              Elop also kissed Jesus apparently.

            • gordonH says:

              Nokia’s transition almost complete going from Symbian to Meego anyways.
              Elop recommended WP7,or WinCE a technically very weak OS.
              Win8 based on NT should be much better.
              So now we have a total transition period of 4 years. Blame everything on Symbian, before Elop came, Nokia executives did the same thing.
              But where’s the valid reason Elop for scraping and stabbing Meego and QT?

    • Janne says:

      Ebon & Unicorn N9s:

      There was no Carla (Belle FP1) before Elop came on board. There was Symbian^4, which was different.

      • Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

        Agree the name wasn’t there but the development was. Symbian^4 was the project base for Belle when it started. Symbian^5 was also started back then was planned for 2012 which had support for the things I mentioned.

        • Paul says:

          But AFAIK one depends the other. If the software-development for dual-core and higher resolutions (symbian^4) is canceled (so we get FP1 instead), why should anyone bring out hardware which was developed for the canceled software and is not compatible with the existing software?

          I bet, if we ever see a new Symbian-handset (I don’t belive it), we will see it with the same core hardware like the 1GHz-family (808, 701 etc.): ARM11 Single-Core (maybe a little higher clocked) and BCM2763 GPU.

          The reason for canceling for further development of Symbian were already pointed out on many places and has all the same message: Symbians code is supposedly to much complicated and holding back innovations (this means “waxy” like mentioned in the interview).

          • Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

            The original spec for 808 was to include the new specs and was dropped after the cancellation of the Symbian strategy. If they release a new Symbian device (which I doubt), it’ll be with the current specs of 808.

            The reason for canceling for further development of Symbian were already pointed out on many places and has all the same message: Symbians code is supposedly to much complicated and holding back innovations (this means “waxy” like mentioned in the interview).

            I have told this a lot of times. The messy code of Symbian was in the S60 3.x & 5.0 days and got cleaned in Symbian^3 and Anna versions. I understand why some like to stress on the messy Symbian code-base to prove their point but the truth is it isn’t.

            • Janne says:

              Disagree. Symbian is still a mess at Nokia.

              • Ebon & Unicorn N9s says:

                Lets agree to disagree.. At least it isn’t as messy as Windows CE codebase.

              • alsocan says:

                All big softwares like oses are a mess. But i think symbian never was a bigger mess than windows phone which required a complete kernel rewrite to support half of symbian functionality.

            • Prasenjit says:

              if u want i can get u a list of what were rewritten and wat reused… Technically a os is a kernel with scheduler memory management dtc activities those were never a symbian problem they have the best core the problem were in other components middleward stacks apps and ui, they corrected many rewrote many but not all it was simply not possible….

          • rustyknight17 says:

            eRMMM , U R AWARE THAT bELLE DUMPED 70% OF sYMBIAN CODE ? And as for new Symbian phones , while not officially confirmed as yet , there r the 510 and the 805 …

            • gordonH says:

              +1
              Oh noo Elop cannot be blamed. Everything has to be blamed on Symbian. If you think Symbian is OK then you must be a blind Symbian fanboy.

              Also everyone should remember that symbian was forced to work on old and tiny processors, so it’s all Symbian’s fault.

              /s

          • rustyknight17 says:

            ermmm , u r aware that Belle dumped 70% of Symbian code right ?

  2. jr says:

    have been a long support of Elop and even though lots of people say he is a Trojan Horse for Microsoft, I vehemently disagree and I think he is th right person the company needs… in the same breadth I would like to see the company diversify their portfolio of devices.. not just windows Phones but meego and android too.. Make windows phone the primary and Meego and android the secondary .. I would also like to so some difference between Nokias wp8 devices and those of other manufacturers.. Elop said they’ve been given the opportunity to do that by MS.. use that opportunity

    • Ajit says:

      Exactly, if he wasnt a Tojan Horse he wouldnt have put all eggs in one basket aka Windows Phone. The very same reason hes known by this name….

      All that he told/promised are blunt lies, for e.g. He said Meego will be used for future disruption, where is Meego at Nokia today? Killed, courtesy: The Trojan from Microsoft – Stephen Elop.

      Look at Windows Phone 7.5 today, its life at Nokia isnt even 1 year and Lumia devices are already outdated because they cant be upgraded to Windows Phone 8. And he said Symbian was a Burning Platform. The N8 recieved updates/support from Nokia for more than a year and a half!

      Nokia’s Qt tech was loved by developers, its used at many places, e.g. Google Earth was made using Qt, Skype was made using Qt.
      What did the Trojan do with this technology? Just killed it, axed it…. No better proof than this to say that Stephen Elop is indeed a Trojan Horse planted by Microsoft at Nokia. He is slowly destroying Nokia, firing all employees who are against him, bringing into Nokia – ppl from Microsoft. The intentions are getting clearer by each passing day.

      • jr says:

        you are not giving any proof.. yes Elop created some problems in Nokia but Nokia’s mess is because of years of continuous self distraction .. nok Just by Elop.. why do you people forget all that ? The several years of churning out unfinished Nokia devices with faulty parts and out dated devices.. Was that Elop’s problem too?

        Qt is only a development tool and that fact that they dropped it doesn’t mean anything.. there are other well and capable development tools..

        • FURT says:

          They already made mistakes in the past, why create more? Instead of enriching their technologies, creating their own ecosystem and at the same time, joining some other ecosystem which is Microsoft, he’s throwing their innovations – no matter how much they are being praised, lauded, loved and commended by the tech bloggers, users and fans. Take the Nokia N9 and 808 PureView for example! And of course, the unannounced and already axed Meltemi.

          A former Microsoft employee arrives and all the Linux-based / open-source / WP competitor OSes inside Nokia disappear? Hm, it must be magic. – Magic or science, it still hurts.

      • A-S-D says:

        To be fair, he just seems like an idiotic US-centered dumbshit who has no understanding of the international smartphone and mobile markets and believes the US is the centre of all innovation.

        He seems to have destroyed Nokia without realising but I can tell you one thing, replacing him would kill Nokia because an alternate policy would take far too long to execute which would result in Nokia’s own execution. He is the only one who can get them out of the mess he’s put them in. Nokia needs him for their mobile division to succeed but if it doesn’t, I wouldn’t be surprised if it, and maybe Elop as well as discarded of sometime next year.

      • Alejandro Nova says:

        “Nokia’s Qt tech was loved by developers, its used at many places, e.g. Google Earth was made using Qt, Skype was made using Qt. What did the Trojan do with this technology? Just killed it, axed it…”

        How interesting.

        1. Qt is and was a Trolltech technology; Nokia bought Trolltech when Anna was in development, so Qt has nothing to do with Symbian or with the current state of it.

        2. Qt and QML are recognized by its portability. Somehow, somewhere, we’ll see Qt in Windows Phone 8. There IS a Qt port for Android (and for every OS in this planet, starting with Mac OS and Linux) and the only thing that kept it away from Windows Phone 7.5 was that OS, not the incapability of Qt to be ported. Also, BTW, it’s not dead.

        3. If you really are a fan of Qt, do yourself a favor and try a Linux distro with KDE, the influential Qt desktop. Every Nokia contribution got there. And it shows. It’s a little buggy, but remember it’s a community project. If you also have the means, support it through the “Join the Game” initiative.

      • puneet says:

        Ab samay aa gaya hai ki,kisi tata bidala ya ambani ko sell kar dena chahiye nokia ko.waise bhi esake handset india ke alawa bikata hi kaha hai.

    • yasu says:

      @jr

      have been a long support of Elop and even though lots of people say he is a Trojan Horse for Microsoft, I vehemently disagree and I think he is th right person the company needs…

      Elop, a well known champion of the War Of Ecosystems, came from MS as a gift to help Nokia, killed Nokia internal platforms, picked MS’ platform thereby opening the gates for them, granting them access to Nokia resources (patents, tech, etc…)

      Pretty Trojan Horsey behavior.

      • Joris Bos says:

        Elop only worked at Microsoft for 2 years. Before that he worked at Lotus and Macromedia (7 years until acquisition by Adobe).In those 2 years, he worked at the Business Division (Office) so please stop that nonsense. It was no gift, Nokia had to pay MS quite some money to cover the expenses.

        His job was to : “We believe that Stephen will be able to drive both innovation and efficient execution of the company strategy in order to deliver increased value to our shareholders” (taken from Nokia’s press release.

        It’s not efficient to have 3 in-house OS’es. It’s not efficient to only create patents and let others make money on them. It’s certainly not efficient to keep all your R&D work inside labs and not put them in products.

        Nokia needed someone that could cut and cut efficiently, Elop does this very well.

        • yasu says:

          Elop only worked at Microsoft for 2 years. Before that he worked at Lotus and Macromedia (7 years until acquisition by Adobe).In those 2 years, he worked at the Business Division (Office) so please stop that nonsense.

          And? Didn’t he come from MS? Wasn’t MS his last employer?

          It was no gift, Nokia had to pay MS quite some money to cover the expenses.

          My bad, you’re right. That was some money well spent. More than €3 Billion losses since he has started to save Nokia.

          His job was to : “We believe that Stephen will be able to drive both innovation and efficient execution of the company strategy in order to deliver increased value to our shareholders” (taken from Nokia’s press release.

          So? How is he rating? So far Nokia financials tell me that he is not doing a very good job.

          It’s not efficient to have 3 in-house OS’es. It’s not efficient to only create patents and let others make money on them. It’s certainly not efficient to keep all your R&D work inside labs and not put them in products.

          Agreed. I wasn’t under the illusion that Nokia pre Elop was a well run company. However, it’s still more efficient than to EOL your product without an up an running replacement and bet the farm on a third party product which is struggling despite hundreds million of dollars of promotion.

          Nokia needed someone that could cut and cut efficiently, Elop does this very well.

          Indeed. Sales, jobs, factories , credit and debt rating, revenue… I wonder what’s will left of Nokia after Elop.

          • jr says:

            Go look up what Gabe Newell the founder of Valve said about Microsft.. he was also a Micrpsft employee for 13 years.. more than even Elop

            • yasu says:

              @jr

              Go look up what Gabe Newell the founder of Valve said about Microsft.. he was also a Micrpsft employee for 13 years.. more than even Elop

              Gabe Newell isn’t confused about where his loyalties should lie, unlike Mr “I would like to see Samsung successful with Windows Phone”.

              But seriously, why should I care how long they have been at MS? What matters is the behaviour after.

              Elop last employer was MS, whose platform he promoted and continue to promote to the detriment of Nokia’s ones.

              Heck, before the Lumia performed as they did and served him a helping of humble pie, he was busy spouting rah rah Microsoft, Windows Phone and Third Ecosystem propaganda. More so than Ballmer himself.

              That’s all I need to know, not how many years he spent at MS.

              • jr says:

                So you agree that he coming form MS doesnt mean anything ? If Gabe being a long serving employer at Microsoft doesnt matter why should Elop who only worked there two years matter?

                BTW i you look at the figures of Lumia sales they are not as bad jusding form the fact that these are their firt line of phones.. If Nokia were to beselling only wp7 devices they wouldnt me making losses. Just look at how much Samsung and Apple sold their frist range of phones.. Y

                • yasu says:

                  So you agree that he coming form MS doesnt mean anything ?

                  Not in an of itself. People change companies all the time.

                  If Gabe being a long serving employer at Microsoft doesnt matter why should Elop who only worked there two years matter?

                  Because Gabe Newell isn’t promoting MS’ wares after leaving them, in stark contrast to Elop that killed Nokia’s internal solutions and promotes MS’ ones.

                  Even Walt Mossberg publicly pointed out to him that he sounds like an MS’ MVP. for crying out loud. What’s so hard to understand?

                  The less said about the great man, the better, IMO.

                  • JGsmartypants says:

                    Those in-house solutions were killing themselves. Elop was just the first not to be in denial about it

                    • yasu says:

                      @JGsmartypants

                      Those in-house solutions were killing themselves. Elop was just the first not to be in denial about it

                      Internal solutions paid the bills and there was money left after in the form of profits. Money that Elop is now busy squandering to promote MS created resource balckhole known as WP. It gobbles up jobs, factories, advertising money, profits, distribution channel…

              • Keith too says:

                You better go look up what Gabe said in its entirety instead of blurb taken out of context that Endgadget posted. Gabe is afraid the competition from W8 and its marketplace is going to eat into the lunches of online gaming sites like Steam.

        • Ajit says:

          “Nokia needed someone that could cut and cut efficiently, Elop does this very well.”

          Yes right, Elop cuts so well that the company gets Cut!

          Please check what happened to all the companies that Elop worked before joining Microsoft. At Microsoft, after he joined, his division neither made profit nor loss…

  3. Dave² says:

    I get the feeling that if not for Elop, PureView and Rich recording would not be on a device right now.

  4. Joris Bos says:

    Did anyone watch the video? I’m convinced he is a very smart guy with great ideas of leadership. He sounds confident though realistic, I must say this was a very good interview.

    • Janne says:

      I don’t know about that, but I do know he is right about Nokia not being able or willing to bring out its innovations – and that is something where Elop has been consistent in wanting to improve. Now, can he, depends a lot on what we see a year down the road.

      When was the last time you actually saw something truly innovative in a Nokia product? They used to innovate like hell in the early noughties and late nineties, then they became bean counters and went from revolutions to evolutions. They still innovated and spent money on innovation, but it wasn’t landing in products.

      Symbian was a reason, of course it was. But obviously it also remains to be seen how Nokia can now innovate with WP and Asha touch, it is not like those platforms don’t have limitations of their own. We shall see.

      • nn says:

        Again, quite irony that last innovations from Nokia were in products like N9 or 808. WP is severe downgrade and if there is talk about any innovations, it’s just bringing things, often in crippled form, that Nokia already showed on their supposedly obsolete and uncompetitive products.

        • Ajit says:

          100% agreed, WP 7.5 is a downgrade even when compared with S40, leave alone S60…

          • Mark says:

            You’re either trolling or an idiot.

            Which is it?

            • Ajit says:

              Do you have any brains?? have you tried sending a file via BT on your costly LUMIA “Smartphone” – try doing that on a S40 and you’ll know what I mean… Same goes with many other stuffs like 32GB memory support…etc.

              Just having a huge screen doesnt necessarily make a phone “Smart”…

        • Janne says:

          Indeed, and the irony also is that both finally came out on Elop’s watch… The word is whole swipe was developed during Elop’s time. Of course, Maemo is no Symbian…

          Nokia has been very slow in getting innovations out in the OPK era, that much is obvious to anyone.

          • nn says:

            Exactly, and the teams that were able to create these innovations in mere months were fired by Elop, the products canned and now with WP it again takes years to just get what Nokia already had long time ago.

            • Alejandro Nova says:

              The teams in charge of those innovations are sheltered in their own startups with extensive patent licensing agreements with Nokia. Later those startups can merge back if they are needed, and they can survive on their own if Nokia falters

              The alternative is: let Nokia fall and sell every mobile patent to Microsoft. To date, that hasn’t happened.

    • nn says:

      Yep, he seems to be skilled manipulator, like any good politician. He wrecks Nokia in record time and permanently undermines its future, but still is able to make some people feel that he is great visionary, knows what he is doing and that the future is bright.

      • JGsmartypants says:

        Your antipathy toward this man is fascinating, and depressing.

        He made the right decisions, even if they were bad for geeks and Linux fans and thousands of employees who lost their job (which is better than Nokia pulling a RIM and staying “independent” right off the cliff

        • nn says:

          Your love for this man is fascinating, and depressing.

          He made decisions that were bad for Linux fans and general consumers and tens of thousands of employees and shareholders (at least the ones who care about company value and future) and is driving Nokia off the cliff at faster speed than RIM does, but you still claim these decision are right.

  5. DeepNara says:

    Nobody can predict future. Elop did make some huge blunders but I am still positive about Nokia future. look at the zeal of Elop and others how hard Nokia is trying to fight the competition (apple and android) without submitting to them.
    One day Nokia will bring down the ego of Apple and Google.

    • Ajit says:

      I dont see Nokia fighting competition, but I see desperate attempts from Microsoft in the form of Stephen Elop and Steve Ballmer.

  6. Chris W says:

    I hope WP8 is a success for Nokia because at the moment in the difficult days of transition the Elop/Nokia bashers are having a field day. Will be very interested to hear what these people (on podcast and blogs etc) have to say if it works out.
    I don’t see Elop as a trojan, but he has the very difficult job of focusing Nokia on its strengths rather than weaknesses such as software. I used and enjoyed Symbian but compared to its competition it was behind.

    • karam says:

      please allow me to say, you are little confused, Elop bashers =! Nokia bashers. plus wp8 will sell, but will not be the 3rd ecosystem, the horse race is lost, even the big boss dropped it. bada is a better 3rd ecosystem now.

      and since when software is weakness at nokia? I know symbian dev was slow and pc suite is buggy, but did you forget who made swipe and pureview algorithms?

      the problem is with symbian bashers out there who cannot recognize the innovation brought by hard-to-innovate-with symbian, eventhough wp did not bring any innovation to the table (infact still lacking), not even wp8, maybe wp9 ?

      • viktor von d. says:

        bada isn’t a ecosystem for ffs. it’s samsung’s low end os, with limited functionality. for a ecosystem to exist it needs to have a phone os available to multiple manufacturers, maybe even a desktop os, cloud services, search and map services.
        example – macos-ios-itunes-appletv-icloud
        android-chromeos-google services(search,mail,maps)
        windows-windowsphone-bing-hotmail-skype-xbox-skydcrive
        these are ecosystems, not bada. nokia had a chance to build their own ecosystem by making symbian open source, opening the ovistore, then developing meego. but that is where it stopped, it still had to rely on external cloud services,search engines and so on.they blew it and had to choose between android and wp in the end. the rest, for good or bad is history

        • karam says:

          you make no sense at all. and you are contradicting yourself.
          “for a ecosystem to exist it needs to have a phone os available to multiple manufacturers………………………..
          example – macos-ios-itunes-appletv-icloud”

          and who cares how many manufacturers are making bada if samy alone is selling more than all wp makers? please stop the non sense. bada has its own ecosystem of OS, apps, services etc…
          do yourself a favour and look at wave 3 or even wave 2 and tell me if it is “low end os, with limited functionality”

          “nokia had a chance to build their own ecosystem by making symbian open source, opening the ovistore, then developing meego”

          utter bullcrap, nokia did have an ecosystem of their own, and the developing meego part made me laugh.

          • JGsmartypants says:

            Karam, it’s pretty clear that the ecosystem Nokia had around Symbian was not up to par either technically or how it was run as an organization. If it were, the app ecosystem of Symbian would have had a huge lead on the iPhone and android ecosystems in number of apps. And yet…no

      • Prasenjit says:

        dude u are damn confused pureview imaging algos have nothing to do witj symbian, algos are algos u can implement them on any platform …. Now how complex a platform is to develop for is the topic….

  7. ggg says:

    nokia is a disagrace in mobile industry.

  8. Ruben says:

    A very good insight. I almost like the man now. It made me believe that he is caring for our Nokia. I wish we does. I want to believe him.

  9. nn says:

    “To the extent that any company believes that they get to define consumers wishes or they get to define an industry, therein lies the recipe for failure. At the end of the day no one gets to do that other than the consumers making the purchases”

    Quite irony that he is saying this, because his grand strategy is take from consumers what they want and try to cram down to their throats what they are refusing to buy with gigantic marketing and sales campaigns that should explain to these poor mortals that they are mistaken when they don’t want to touch MS products.

    Sometimes I’m thinking if he isn’t just one big and successful troll.

  10. skyfall says:

    PR stunt to improve Elop’s image nothing else

  11. joemx12 says:

    It is obvious that Elop followed investors orders, the same investors that have stocks at Nokia and at Microsoft. If Elop would have been an independent CEO, he wouldn´t have taken the decision telling Nokia customers to stop buying Symbian mobile phones. Why, because symbian phones were still selling very well. The wise decision would have been to tell customers, “We are going to make Windows Phones and we will continue with Symbian and other planned platforms”.

    But you know what, It does not worked.

    • JGsmartypants says:

      Your story is woefully ignorant of how corporations (any large org really) work. Doing them simultaneously would require more money, take more time for both, and result in lower quality products on both ends. Focus is critical.

  12. exsanguine says:

    GEezus, who let the trolls and iDroiders in here?

  13. shaun says:

    Eflop is the worst CEO of any company, he hasn’t got a clue, he knew from the start when he dragged Nokia to Windows 7, that current devices would not support windows 8, he doesn’t give a toss about his customers, staff or shareholders. Microsoft always wanted Nokia and at last they got the village idiot to hand them Nokia. Microsoft don’t care whether Nokia succeeds all they want is their patents. The simple fact is 90% of people don’t want the best virus infected PC/Laptop operating system of all time on their phones. We have heard it from people who own a current lumia phone telling the rest of us wait till windows 8 and it will all be better so after spending £450 approx on a now defunct OS the way to fix your problems is buy another £450 phone. Eflop is not responsible for all Nokia’s woes. Eflop just got Nokia further to its knees in record time.

  14. gordonH says:

    “we have to listen to consumers, we have to both deliver what they need and also have some creativity and insight and deliver what the don’t yet know they need.”

    This sentence does not apply to consumers that demand Meego.

  15. gordonH says:

    The media is filled with stories of Elop being the worst CEO ever. Get a clue guys, this Elop guy is’nt very sincere to Nokia.
    Use google or damn maybe just “Bing” it up.

  16. ms.nokia says:

    the more i hear about what elop had to deal with, the more i believe the nokia board members knew they had failed miserably, nokia had become an old fossilised relic, fresh blood was needed to to change the way nokia was doing things,

  17. Janne says:

    BTW: It just occurred to me that a couple of months ago Damian Dinning volunteered some praise for Elop. What was it? For speeding things up.

    It seems likely to me that Elop really saw extra ordinary value in PureView, saw that it had not gotten enough attention or direction during OPK – and fixed that.

    Dinning’s comments would go in line with this interview.

    • lordstar says:

      Well yeah, I agree with you there. It’s good that he was able to release the 808 device to showcase the technology. But there were still decisions that showed incompetence not just from the Elop but the board as well.

  18. yesir says:

    Classic! Everything that went wrong was someone else’s fault. Everything that went right (Pureview for instance) is his achievement. Charlatans like these may get promoted but they never do any good at the end.

    • Joris Bos says:

      Sounds just like what Steve Jobs did at Apple doesn’t it?

      • yesir says:

        At least, old Steve made the company successful beyond belief. This charlatan however is sinking the ship, but still dares to say garbages like this.

  19. Prasenjit says:

    if some one is to be reallh blamed at nokia its the internal politics in and around symbian organization… People say s40 team stiffled innovation u r kidding man…nokia symbian politics hold back s40 from having features…. The hardware design guys even with n97 landed a true multimedia computer but s60 v 5 screwed it… The problem waw vision…. They sud have seen the iphone and asked is s60 v5 a gud plan no then lets rewrite symbian as symbian 3 which they eventually did but they wasted tym money and brand… They wasted tym on s60 v5 when that busted they started symbian 3 why was symbian 3 project not strated in 2007-2008. Why nokia wasted tym on making it open source and by the hell sm guys say here symbian is opn source who told u why do u guys make up false informations its not at all a open source os and has no linux roots none .
    Meego wat a joke there’s technicall no meego os ever created the dev was so slow the n9 u guys saw and had there been a new meego device let’s say n10 wud have been the same case as lumia 800 wid windows 7.5 and windows 8 story incompatible as os layers… Wat elop did was great except for that memo that got leaked and the blogosphere that is always up to manufacturing rumours and own intrrpretations….
    Some one asked here why sud i support elop.. Here’s my few reaons.
    1. Series 40… Elop is the man who deserves credit for asha full touch and asha the frrakin opk had no clue sammy had java based corby years back anc bdlieve me series 40 is still clean and great to build up on.

    2. Proper r&d management… He has identified nokia’s traditional strengths in design materials camera and imaging and nokia is investing tons there. Nokia’s design is far superior than even apple crafting out numerous designs with beauty and innovation… The device i am typing this post is a n8 isn’t that a killer lloking one how abt the n95 6600 the banana ;) the communicator series and recent lumia fresh innovative not copies nokia have always hired the best designers
    3.nokia’s huge existing patent pool and the new additions around next generation cellular non cellular networking technologies, assets around ui ux innovation etc material science patents… All this strengthens nokia’s place as a tech power house and ensures huge patent income..
    5. Symbian …. Look how fast things are being done around symbian … Hd it not been elop there wud hav been no belle on the nokia n8 we wud hav been talking of symbian 4 binary incomaptible to the symbian 3 and cursing more….
    6. Change in attitude… nokia as never shown this fighting attitude and i know they will come out winning.
    7.honesty and integrity… Elop is a mn of highest order honest frank and a gdnius and thanks to him the useless deadwood has been chopped off good byee mary,anssi, niklas useless loud speakers who barked but never bit.
    9.the great house cleaning… Thanks to elop we have a streamlined marketing, sales, research and other divisions.
    10. Windows and microsoft deal…. The deak he got for nokia is a winner u guys just need to open ur closed brains and eyes to see it… He extracted the max. Value.

    Finally its business not charity and nokia did the best except for a majot PR blunder around symbian but nokia is recovering and will be the formidable company it was…thanks to elop i always say this and will write it again Elop is the Lou Gertsner of Nokia….this man is a heroand saviouf for nokia..wat he deserves is support and patience and his employees support him in full. Come this nokia world the design th specs the features the products will blow ur mind away and wn u sdd the new nokia sales and marketing be prepared to be impressed….the future belongs to Nokia-msft

    • gordonH says:

      11. Thanks to Elop all MS competing products at Nokia have been axe, strangled or given negative PR.
      12. Thanks to Elop for choosing a low tech OS WinCE.
      13. Thanks to Elop for dropping those NOK shares

      From Steve Ballmer

      14. Thanks to Elop for bad mouthing Symbian.
      15. Thanks to Elop for killing Meego.

      From Samsung

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